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FM Radio

Hi All,
I saw a post some time ago that seemed to indicate that hardware was actually in the TyTN II for the FM Radio and they were going to look into how to make this available.
Has there been an update I have missed? Is this possible?
Any pointers would be great, it's the one bit of functionality I wish they had included to make it the perfect device for me
Paul

I'd be very interested in this too ...

Here in the UK o2 are advertising the Tytn II rebadged to the o2 stellar with an FM radio so the hardware must be in there. i'd be very interested as well

Me aswell.

Would it be a case of running the FM app from the O2 phone, if anyone can send it I will try it
Paul

From Softpedia:
"The 3-megapixel camera is pretty impressive and its capture quality is better than in many other smartphones, which scores another advantage for O2's device. The phone brings entertainment through an MP3 player and FM radio, making it a handset capable of providing both fun and business solutions. Still, this is a new feature for the device, hopefully not another mistype from O2, as they have done a rather sloppy job with this announcement."
The link: http://news.softpedia.com/news/HTC-Kaiser-Coming-at-O2-as-Xda-Stellar-71434.shtml
So... what is the truth?!?!?

Sorry to point this out, but usually it is hardware!
and if you look at the ad from O2 it doesn't say "FM radio". it only says MP3 player and radio.
there are already radio streaming apps out there, like resco radio
I think it was msmobile blog making the error...

This happens with every new WM device...
A lot of websites and even the Network marketing people dont know what they are talking about. Imagine being the product manager and not making sure that the copywriters don't just create imaginary stuff for your devices...
Then again the O2 Marketing Manager allowed ads to go out calling it Stella for about a month...

It's obviously a hardware feature as the OP says, it's just a question of whether the hardware might already be in there, to be enabled at some future point (perhaps by the O2 firmware). There are precedents for this, such as the GPS that exists (but is not supported) in the S730.
I'd be surprised if the hardware in the Kaiser was significantly different to that in the virtually identical-specced Touch Cruise, which is essentially just a Kaiser without the keyboard - except of course the Cruise has FM radio...
It could well be it's more expensive to leave out than it is to put in, but for marketing reasons it's only enabled in selected models (based on the same platform). This is all conjecture though...

if i remember correctly, the post ended because they discovered that the GPS radio worked and broadcasted differently than the FM radio so that it was not possible.
Edit: Here's the exact post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=338238

The hardware most certainly is NOT in the Kaiser or TytnII. But if you're interested in true broadcast television or fm radio, you can check this out: http://www.eopstech.com/eops/pro3.jsp

GSLEON3 said:
The hardware most certainly is NOT in the Kaiser or TytnII. But if you're interested in true broadcast television or fm radio, you can check this out: http://www.eopstech.com/eops/pro3.jsp
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how can you be so certai?

The O2 website now says (http://shop.o2.co.uk/ComingSoon):
The new O2 Xda Stellar is a touch screen Xda with a slim, stylish design. As well as the on-board GPS, Windows Mobile 6 (supporting Microsoft Direct Push Email) and Wi-Fi, it is Quad Band, 3G and has a 3 mega-pixel camera and MP3 player
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No mention of any radio now ...

Hi can someone extract the rom from the HTC Cruise. I would like to look at the fm radio app...

jaygriggs said:
how can you be so certai?
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If you follow the link I posted at the bottom of the first page of this post, one of the posters there said that there's no fm radio components mentioned on the schematics of the chipset in the phone.

has it happened yet?

CorruptedSanity said:
has it happened yet?
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Have you read the post above you? There is no radio hardware.

Think tank : fm radio for vibrant

The original galaxy s has the ability to transmit and receive fm radio. I also know that the vibrant has the exact and chip but lacks the drivers. If we can get the ffc to work by actually adding new hardware then we should definitely be able to get hardware that's already on the phone working. The question is, of, there a dev that's, willing to do this?
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40$ for this working on my vibrant
_Tim
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itsjusttim said:
40$ for this working on my vibrant
_Tim
Eugenes 2.2 [JPM] + FFC Mod
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+1 =$40 so far $80!

What benefit would this have over tune in radio app?

Isn't there already a thread about this?

Persanity said:
Isn't there already a thread about this?
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Indeed.
A bit hard to find, due to "fm" being too short. But it is right there on the 3rd page of search results for "fm radio."
-bZj

TheBrandonWRX said:
What benefit would this have over tune in radio app?
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I assume you are being facetious?
Lets say you are not:
There are areas with poor data coverage.
FM Radio uses lets battery than streaming.
Not all stations streams.
Streams often fall off for no reason even on a computer with a high speed connection.
Gyms broadcast tv sound via radio.
TuneIN radio is buggy as hell.
I could go on, but since you couldn't possibly be serious in your question and also non-retarded enough to understand an answer, I won't.

beren28 said:
I assume you are being facetious?
Lets say you are not:
There are areas with poor data coverage.
FM Radio uses lets battery than streaming.
Not all stations streams.
Streams often fall off for no reason even on a computer with a high speed connection.
Gyms broadcast tv sound via radio.
TuneIN radio is buggy as hell.
I could go on, but since you couldn't possibly be serious in your question and also non-retarded enough to understand an answer, I won't.
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x2... Well said!
_Tim
Eugenes 2.2 [JPM] + FFC Mod
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Should look through the original thread and ask a MOD to close this one since its a dupe of the original...

I would actually be more interested in transmit then receive, but both working would be awesome.
CM6.1 has an FM tuner app included too. So I can hope for CM and FM transmit/receive

I'll throw down some dolla bills for this.

TheBrandonWRX said:
What benefit would this have over tune in radio app?
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The ability to have live fm not some crappy internet app that kills battery. Plus

please use the search bar before posting. there was a thread started months ago about this....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738318

I'll throw some green for this too.

Alex530 said:
The ability to have live fm not some crappy internet app that kills battery. Plus
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Truth is the app is anything but crappy and I would speculate you haven't tried it. How were you able to determine this solution drains more battery? Thanks in advance.

TheBrandonWRX said:
Truth is the app is anything but crappy and I would speculate you haven't tried it. How were you able to determine this solution drains more battery? Thanks in advance.
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he saw saying it would be better to have an fm radio than be forced to listen to internet radio...

beren28 said:
I assume you are being facetious?
Lets say you are not:
There are areas with poor data coverage.
FM Radio uses lets battery than streaming.
Not all stations streams.
Streams often fall off for no reason even on a computer with a high speed connection.
Gyms broadcast tv sound via radio.
TuneIN radio is buggy as hell.
I could go on, but since you couldn't possibly be serious in your question and also non-retarded enough to understand an answer, I won't.
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I am perfectly serious but in a way that would not be considered aggressive, rude or of assuming nature here is my experience and general thoughts.
I have had 0 issues at all with Tune In. I have not found a single radio station in my area I couldn't grab a stream including the AM channels for the sports people. In my city data coverage is a non issue. I have had perfectly good experience with this and threw it out there to help as this topic has already been covered although in length for those that haven't searched. I am still curious about the battery comparison though. Where did you get that information? I have had great battery life experience but haven't jacked with any radio devices on any of my cellphones. As far as gym's broadcasting TV stations via radio that is a huge advantage. I hate the treadmill and bang my cardio outside which is why I like tune in for the AM in case there is a game on. I would never listen to anything TV related in the weight room as I am always there early am or later in the evening and not really a tv person anyway expect for sports anyway. Just my .02 cents.
I hope this alternative will help some people.

TheBrandonWRX said:
I am perfectly serious but in a way that would not be considered aggressive, rude or of assuming nature here is my experience and general thoughts.
I have had 0 issues at all with Tune In. I have not found a single radio station in my area I couldn't grab a stream including the AM channels for the sports people. In my city data coverage is a non issue. I have had perfectly good experience with this and threw it out there to help as this topic has already been covered although in length for those that haven't searched. I am still curious about the battery comparison though. Where did you get that information? I have had great battery life experience but haven't jacked with any radio devices on any of my cellphones. As far as gym's broadcasting TV stations via radio that is a huge advantage. I hate the treadmill and bang my cardio outside which is why I like tune in for the AM in case there is a game on. I would never listen to anything TV related in the weight room as I am always there early am or later in the evening and not really a tv person anyway expect for sports anyway. Just my .02 cents.
I hope this alternative will help some people.
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Well, yes, its true that you can get a lot of stations streamed via internet, but the thing that most of us really want, that absolutely needs fm radi working, is the FM radio transmitter. What that will let you do is play a song from your phone and transmit it through and FM radio band you choose. That way, if you dont feel like listening to music on your crappy phone speakers while driving, you can listen to them on your cars nice speakers.

kingkurry said:
Well, yes, its true that you can get a lot of stations streamed via internet, but the thing that most of us really want, that absolutely needs fm radi working, is the FM radio transmitter. What that will let you do is play a song from your phone and transmit it through and FM radio band you choose. That way, if you dont feel like listening to music on your crappy phone speakers while driving, you can listen to them on your cars nice speakers.
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If you have an aux in on your radio, you could connect your phone to that. I'm using a blackberry audio gateway with my car and it works great. Some newer car radios have bluetooth built in. FM is super crowded here and transmitters just don't work well.

Would like it for the rare times I use it.

(Q) fm transmitter cm 6.1

now that theres fm radio, on the nexus on the new cm 6.1 and other roms would it be possible to have a fm transmitter? like the one where it plays your music thru the fm in the car or something. if this is possible that would be amazing.

No, it's not supported in the hardware.

wow that really sucks , anyways thanks for the reply

Wrong, the hardware is there.
There is however, no drivers for the chipset on any device to reverse engineer or port or even look at.

Ask cyanogen, maybe he will fix your nexus one.

Code is in the framework. Could work if we added it to FM app

charnsingh_online said:
Code is in the framework. Could work if we added it to FM app
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Where did that code come from? Code Aurora?

charnsingh_online said:
Code is in the framework. Could work if we added it to FM app
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salivates.

So is everyone saying here that there is a chance that maybe in the future it will be unlocked
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JCopernicus said:
Wrong, the hardware is there.
There is however, no drivers for the chipset on any device to reverse engineer or port or even look at.
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I really doubt the transmitter is hooked up, regardless of software it wont work. If it was a working transmitter the Desire would have probably had it with the FM application/kernel.
But we could sit here and speculate all we want, the fact is nobody knows for sure.

evilkorn said:
I really doubt the transmitter is hooked up, regardless of software it wont work. If it was a working transmitter the Desire would have probably had it with the FM application/kernel.
But we could sit here and speculate all we want, the fact is nobody knows for sure.
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There's nothing that needs to be hooked up. The FM portion of the wifi/bluetooth/fm all use the same antenna for reception/broadcasting.
FM transmission on devices require alot more legal entanglements that companies don't want to deal with.
The chip onboard is an all in one, it's there, it just needs software.

i doubt the shortness of the waves will cause any legal disputes if so we would have issues with all these kids that USE to walk around with walkie talkies all the time

solidmac said:
i doubt the shortness of the waves will cause any legal disputes if so we would have issues with all these kids that USE to walk around with walkie talkies all the time
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yeah, so you do realize that there's a lot of different frequencies for devices, right? Your "walkie talkies" were likely 38mhz or maybe 43mhz. Not a commercial frequency band.

solidmac said:
i doubt the shortness of the waves will cause any legal disputes if so we would have issues with all these kids that USE to walk around with walkie talkies all the time
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Actually, the FM transmitters that popped up for the early iPods and several other MP3 players were originally illegal to use in many countries since they operated on frequencies that were considered protected or where you needed to register as a broadcaster to be allowed to transmit. This has however now been relaxed in several countries as long as the transmission strength is kept low enough to not interfere noticable with other people's devices.

[Q] FM + TV on AOSP?

Hi everybody,
I like the FM and TV apps. They replace two rather clunky devices. I also like ROMs like PAC, AOKP and CM. None of which have the former.
Is there a (preferably free) way to get TV and FM on AOSP roms? Or is there something like closed source drivers preventing this?
I tried Spirit FM, it didn't work.
Thanks,
sauprankul

I don't think the FM radio app works on aosp. I do know that tunein radio works. Its an FM radio but runs through the network connection. Its not exactly what you were looking for but it may help.

p3tr0s said:
I don't think the FM radio app works on aosp. I do know that tunein radio works. Its an FM radio but runs through the network connection. Its not exactly what you were looking for but it may help.
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I know that the app doesn't work, but I was hoping for a mod or app that would replace it.
Tunein isn't as clear and Sprint doesn't have very good coverage around here (yet, they say).
Oh well.

Might work for FM radio http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13379669
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for the tv i think peel should work

Outside of Asia and a prototype or 2, there are no "over the air" TV chips in Android devices, AFAICT.
A few people have reported my FM app works OK on HTC One. And at least one said it didn't work. AFAIK, my app Spirit is the only non stock app that will work (for "real" over the air FM), and I've heard no indication that will change anytime soon.
The Sprint HTC One has a stock FM app, right ?
I will likely buy and officially support the HTC One within a few months.

mikereidis said:
Outside of Asia and a prototype or 2, there are no "over the air" TV chips in Android devices, AFAICT.
A few people have reported my FM app works OK on HTC One. And at least one said it didn't work. AFAIK, my app Spirit is the only non stock app that will work (for "real" over the air FM), and I've heard no indication that will change anytime soon.
The Sprint HTC One has a stock FM app, right ?
I will likely buy and officially support the HTC One within a few months.
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I don't think the OP was referring to an "over-the-air" TV app, but rather the TV app on stock HTC ONEs that basically turn your phone into a remote.

tkoreaper said:
I don't think the OP was referring to an "over-the-air" TV app, but rather the TV app on stock HTC ONEs that basically turn your phone into a remote.
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OP can clarify but when he says "...way to get TV..." it certainly sounds like he's asking for an OTA TV type app.
For TV etc. remote control, there ARE several apps on Play, and I think at least one of them works with the HTC One specific IR blaster hardware.

Oops, my bad.
I meant the app named TV, which allows me to use the IR blaster. I looked it up on the play store, only got apps that used network, links?
And I thought I had posted this a while back, but I get no audio from Spirit FM. (I'll try it again?) EDIT: Yeah, no audio... Am I supposed to let it scan networks or wait for it to tune or something?

mikereidis said:
OP can clarify but when he says "...way to get TV..." it certainly sounds like he's asking for an OTA TV type app.
For TV etc. remote control, there ARE several apps on Play, and I think at least one of them works with the HTC One specific IR blaster hardware.
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I don't think the hardware is the problem, but rather the lack of IR support in AOSP.

sauprankul said:
Oops, my bad.
I meant the app named TV, which allows me to use the IR blaster. I looked it up on the play store, only got apps that used network, links?
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Here's one of the IR apps on Play (more if you follow "Users who viewed this also viewed") : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microcontrollerbg.irdroid
App description says "Uses and needs external Irdroid module" and indicates it's a port of LIRC.
IR ports and their drivers are relatively simple, compared to audio, graphics, FM, etc.
So I'll bet that somebody will find/build an HTC One AOSP IR solution in the next 3-6 months. I've briefly considered it myself, but there are enough apps out there already IMO for when drivers become available.
BTW, I got the app link from this good thread about things missing from the coming Nexus Experience version: http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...tc-camera-features-and-no-beats-audio-switch/
My impression right now is that HTC One sales are doing better than many of us expected. The Nexus Experience thing has convinced me that I'll be getting one soon. And Samsung GS4 sales seem lower than expected. I think HTC One is "stealing" some GS4 sales.
My point is that I think HTC One XDA/custom ROM and apps development will do well, and solutions for IR and some other Sense related features will be found.

sauprankul said:
And I thought I had posted this a while back, but I get no audio from Spirit FM. (I'll try it again?) EDIT: Yeah, no audio... Am I supposed to let it scan networks or wait for it to tune or something?
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AOSP based ROM ?
I've had a few HTC One success reports, but I think on stock ROM where the "HTC" Audio-> Method setting talks to the HTC proprietary audio stuff.
Send me a debug log with Menu-> Test-> Email-> Logs . After 20 seconds or so press Send.
There may be some simple ALSA controls to set to enable FM audio. But often I have to get a phone in my hands and spend some time on it before learning the FM audio enable secrets.
If this phone were using the Qualcomm WCN3660 FM/combo chips, like the Qualcomm reference designs used in One X LTE, One S and similar devices, then the "HTC OneS/X LTE ALSA" Audio-> Method would work, as well as "Digital OneXL/S".
AFAIR, this phone DOES use the reference WDC9310 audio chip, but the Qualcomm FM chip has special audio connections that I'm pretty sure the Broadcom BCM4335 FM/combo chip does not.
My guess is that HTC added some special FM audio controls to the WDC9310 driver. EDIT: OK someone sent me a debug log from a rooted One, I'll look to find new FM controls.

mikereidis said:
Here's one of the IR apps on Play (more if you follow "Users who viewed this also viewed") : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microcontrollerbg.irdroid
App description says "Uses and needs external Irdroid module" and indicates it's a port of LIRC.
IR ports and their drivers are relatively simple, compared to audio, graphics, FM, etc.
So I'll bet that somebody will find/build an HTC One AOSP IR solution in the next 3-6 months. I've briefly considered it myself, but there are enough apps out there already IMO for when drivers become available.
BTW, I got the app link from this good thread about things missing from the coming Nexus Experience version: http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...tc-camera-features-and-no-beats-audio-switch/
My impression right now is that HTC One sales are doing better than many of us expected. The Nexus Experience thing has convinced me that I'll be getting one soon. And Samsung GS4 sales seem lower than expected. I think HTC One is "stealing" some GS4 sales.
My point is that I think HTC One XDA/custom ROM and apps development will do well, and solutions for IR and some other Sense related features will be found.
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I'm sure the ONE isn't doing much to hinder sales of the S4. If you take into consideration that the S3 and S4 release dates are roughly a year apart not many people are available to upgrade let alone fork out the full price for the phone. People tend to pick brands and stick with them.
Also, according to Wikipedia, "Upon its release (S4), it became the fastest selling smartphone in Samsung's history, with 10 million devices sold as of May 22, 2013, according to Samsung." AND "the One sold around 5 million units through its first two months of worldwide availability.[" So I don't know where this stigma comes that HTC is dominating Samsung right now. I'm assuming it's just pure fanboy-ism.

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So I don't know where this stigma comes that HTC is dominating Samsung right now. I'm assuming it's just pure fanboy-ism.
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There isn't any, AFAIK. Samsung is still top dog. Just with a LITTLE less domination than was expected, and HTC doing a bit better than many expected for them. HTC has lost a LOT of market share in 2 years, now I think they've climbed back (just a bit !) from the precipice.
My very non-scientific survey of the front page of XDA forums seems to show about twice as much activity for all S4 variants, versus all One variants. One activity should have an edge because it came out first though...
Against the S4's expected dominance, I think a 2:1 activity ratio means the One is clearly among the most popular new devices, despite enthusiast complaints about non-removable battery and no SDCard.

For FM:
- AFAICT, the people who reported success with Spirit on HTC One were running stock ROMs.
On stock derived ROMs, deny SU to Spirit or better yet, set Debug-> FM API to "OEM Proprietary" and restart Spirit. If the stock FM app can work, then Spirit should be able to work this way.
Debug-> Audio Focus should be enabled, but this is done automatically on recent Spirit releases.
- I've taken a quick look at the ALSA audio driver differences. Digital FM audio is I think possible, using some HTC One specific ALSA controls intended for Bluetooth. I will need a phone and time to figure this out. I'm not sure there is even an analog FM route available; it may be digital only.
If there's a service manual and/or schematic, I'd be interested to see.
- Even without audio, I'm not sure Spirit can control the FM/combo chip on AOSP ROMs or using low level stuff. The code that works an many old and new Broadcom chips directly via "UART" does not work on this BCM4335.
Maybe it could work if Bluetooth were turned on and/or Spirit has Debug-> HCI Access set to "BT Socket".
EDIT: Actually someone just emailed me running CM10.1 and the FM chip control works through UART.
Overall, I just have to get this phone to make it work well. Usually I get new phones on Ebay from Hong Kong or US vendors. But in this case I think I'd be better to buy one locally for $650 plus taxes. I'd buy an HTC dev phone, but they only sell to US and I think the same will be true, at least initially, for the coming Google Nexus Experience phone. And... I've been reading the One has S-Off and even carrier SIM unlock now (?)...

I got a One on the weekend and have added "early" support for Spirit FM on HTC One.
HTC One first AOSP/Google support: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...7#post42922397
Now where is the guy or gal who will do the IR... and Camera...

Fm transmitter!

Does the xperia z have the fm transmitter like all the review sites say it does, or it doesnt?
And if it has, can someone please tell me where it is cause i cant find it...

auriga14 said:
Does the xperia z have the fm transmitter like all the review sites say it does, or it doesnt?
And if it has, can someone please tell me where it is cause i cant find it...
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Transmitter or receiver?

Transmitter, with which you can play music from your phone on your car stereo for example...

auriga14 said:
Transmitter, with which you can play music from your phone on your car stereo for example...
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No such thing.

Www.geekaphone.com claims it has... Saw it on some other sites also...