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superuser help?

im having some serious issues with my SU.
i tried temporizer's fix with no help.
it started a while ago when i flashed a theme and i could never get it back.
Ive tried EVERYTHING (to my knowledge which is definitely not vast lol) to no avail. and from what temp and a couple others have told me its a problem with cyan recovery 1.3, but now i cant flash to 1.4. im stuck with no SU, no way to flash a new recovery and pretty much half ass phone. ive never had this type of problem since i rooted back in januaryish. any help would be much appreciated.

anon1ski said:
im having some serious issues with my SU.
i tried temporizer's fix with no help.
it started a while ago when i flashed a theme and i could never get it back.
Ive tried EVERYTHING (to my knowledge which is definitely not vast lol) to no avail. and from what temp and a couple others have told me its a problem with cyan recovery 1.3, but now i cant flash to 1.4. im stuck with no SU, no way to flash a new recovery and pretty much half ass phone. ive never had this type of problem since i rooted back in januaryish. any help would be much appreciated.
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Download cyan's recovery 1.4 to your sdk tools folder, start the phone in fastboot mode [back+power] folder and run:
Code:
fastboot boot cm-recovery-1.4.img
That should boot the recovery image and you can work from there to reflash whatever you want.

sdk tools folder? and that would beeeeeeee?
apparently im not as savvy as i once thought..... lol

anon1ski said:
sdk tools folder? and that would beeeeeeee?
apparently im not as savvy as i once thought..... lol
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Errr... you don't have the sdk?
You don't use adb...?!
That's like trying to play football with no limbs..
Get yourself rigged up with this:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/1.5_r3/installing.html
btw.. you won't need to set up eclipse or the adt plugin for this, just make sure your environment variables and java paths are set up as per the guide.

well while football WITH limbs does sound much less entertaining, i am normally no where near a computer, and do almost everything right from my phone.... and i mean everything..... i download all my roms, themes, etc. right to my download folder, find em', rename em' flash em' and im good to go. i went on a computer to get the recovery simply because it downloads wrong on my phone and saves as a text file, seems like it does the same on mozilla for some people but i got it in .img form and its on the root of my card, and nothing.

anon1ski said:
well while football WITH limbs does sound much less entertaining, i am normally no where near a computer, and do almost everything right from my phone.... and i mean everything..... i download all my roms, themes, etc. right to my download folder, find em', rename em' flash em' and im good to go. i went on a computer to get the recovery simply because it downloads wrong on my phone and saves as a text file, seems like it does the same on mozilla for some people but i got it in .img form and its on the root of my card, and nothing.
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I do a lot of stuff from my phone too tbh, Somehow it satisfies my geek cravings more fully.. But adb is massively useful when you're on the pc.. saves a lot of cramped typing on the device keyboard.
Fastboot will be your saviour in this case though, and you're gonna need a proper box to run that on.

i have NO idea what im doing with adb, i just downloaded it and im just starign at my screen like it tried to feed me a cheeseburger.....

anon1ski said:
i have NO idea what im doing with adb, i just downloaded it and im just starign at my screen like it tried to feed me a cheeseburger.....
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lol.. adb is pretty simple.. a few examples:
Code:
adb push localpath devicepath # push files to your phone eg: adb push c:\update.zip /sdcard
adb pull devicepath localpath # pull files from device
adb shell # basically a terminal running on your device that you control from your pc.. im sure you can figure this out if you do everything from your phone.
adb shell reboot # guess?
adb shell reboot recovery # go straight to recovery without holding any buttons
fastboot should be in the same folder as adb.. you can use it to flash .img files from the pc or just boot the images without flashing them.

how do i run fastboot, adb, etc. in relation to them running processes on my phone.
i downloaded everything. i just dont know how to run it or if i have to run a couple things, have my phone in recovery or fastboot(im guessing).
god. i feel like a moron.

anon1ski said:
how do i run fastboot, adb, etc. in relation to them running processes on my phone.
i downloaded everything. i just dont know how to run it or if i have to run a couple things, have my phone in recovery or fastboot(im guessing).
god. i feel like a moron.
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Assuming you're on windows, you'll have to install the adb driver first (not the standard android that windows installs automatically, theres a seperate driver in the usb_driver folder of the sdk). You also need to enable usb debugging on your phone.
Follow this guide if you need to:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532719
You can use adb whatever mode your phone is in.. even when its stuck in a bootloop usually. You don't need to be running anything on the phone, the drivers are switched on by init.rc.
Fastboot can only be run with the phone in fastboot mode (surpisingly).

thanka alot man. im gonna give this all a try.

Good luck

ok. got adb running. ran the command you gave me. it brings up 1.4 but doesnt push it to my phone...... can i actually INSTALL 1.4 from fastboot/adb?

nevermind. figured it out. used common sense and just ran fastboot flash recovery recovery.img and it worked. thanks for everything

my super user still wont work.; so apparently it had nothing to do with the recovery..... im going to wipe, reflash cyan 3.9.1. and see if that works.

The BusyBox Headache

I love my phone to death, but the few things I have left I want to do/use on my phone require busybox. I could just flash a new rom, but I like the stock rom as it is, and don't want to have to install the 150 apps i have all over again (and am too poor for titanium backup donate).
So i just want to install busybox on my phone. I've been googling, and reading, and googling some more, but I still can't seem to get past the first few steps. I am new to ADB and really don't know what I am doing, but I tend to be good at following directions.
Right now im using this guide:
http://www.gadgetsdna.com/busybox-installation-steps-on-jailbroken-android-device/683/
I get to:
adb push busybox /data/local
and cmd throws "adb: permission denied"
I have searched to no avail, and have tried everything my limited linux command experience has to try. I'm down to begging yall for some help.

Is your phone root?

One click root. Didn't know if that would hurt anything. I have already installed CM6 and gone back to stock, so i figured installing busybox would be no problem.

I used the universal androot app and it installed busybox for me. Piece of cake.

You could install Titanium Backup and then click "Problems?"

why don't u just get it from the Market?

[Q] OneClick Root Works, But Superuser App Missing?

Hi, I posted a similar question about this under the OneRoot thread, but I don't see a lot of activity there anymore, so I was hoping to get more responses in a separate thread. I've scoured this forum and everywhere else on the Net and I haven't seen anyone experience this same issue. Hopefully someone will understand the problem and have some idea how to rectify it.
So, I have an AT&T Samgsung Captivate with the stock 2.1 Android "Eclair" build on it. I do believe there was an AT&T issued OTA update for it not long ago that put the build number up to UCJH7. I followed the instructions for TGA_Gunnman's One Click Root/UnRoot method documented here. Everything seems to work fine, in terms of booting into the recovery mode and selecting the update file. After the phone reboots, however, I do not see the Superuser Permissions app with ninja icon in my Applications area. If I browse the directory tree in my internal SD card in /system/apps, I do see a SuperUser.apk file. However, clicking on that shows me the message "Install blocked: For security, your phone is set to block installation of applications not sourced in Android Market." So it appears that rooting procedure worked, all the necessary parts were installed, but I don't have permission to execute su. I see that the xbin folder has been created, and it does contain busybox, su and something called ipctool. Also, a link does exist in /system/bin between su and /syste/xbin/su. If I use the Terminal Emulator and type "su", the prompt sits there for 10 seconds and says "permission denied".
Any ideas on what could be preventing me from gaining superuser access here?
Thanks for your help,
Mike

Download and install "SuperUser" from the Android market

OK, so here is another strange thing about this. This doesn't seem like it'd be related to my original su permission problem, but you never know. I decided to try to un-root using the one click method. Now, during the un-root script, I see the adb daemon start, but it fails on the push command writing unroot.zip to update.zip in the /sdcard folder; it says that permission is denied!. Of course, after booting into recovery, applying the update file fails, as it wasn't found in /sdcard. I'm not sure how this could have happened, as the root script was able to push the root.zip to sdcard just fine initially. Now, after I open a shell against my phone using adb, I check the permissions for the sdcard folder, and this yields rwxrwxr-x. I'm not sure, but I believe there should be another w flag set for other on sdcard. How the heck could that have been cleared?
It does look like I can copy the update.zip to sdcard manually through Windows Explorer and just manually boot into recovery using volume up + down + power, so I'm not completely dead in the water. Yet, I'd like to fix the permissions for sdcard, or else I can no longer use the one-click method.

id10terror said:
Download and install "SuperUser" from the Android market
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Thanks for advice. I will definitely try this, but I did not see this step listed in the oneclick root method? I do see an .apk file for SuperUser in /system/apps, so it seems like the app is already resident. The problem is that it doesn't show up in my main application area on the phone, and I can't run the app; it says it is blocked.
Even if there was a superuser app in the market, wouldn't I need to enable sideloading to get it (which AFAIK need root access)?
Again, thanks for the advice, I appreciate you taking the time to help.

Mods please move to Q&A
Try adb root before adb push
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mskelton said:
Thanks for advice. I will definitely try this, but I did not see this step listed in the oneclick root method? I do see an .apk file for SuperUser in /system/apps, so it seems like the app is already resident. The problem is that it doesn't show up in my main application area on the phone, and I can't run the app; it says it is blocked.
Even if there was a superuser app in the market, wouldn't I need to enable sideloading to get it (which AFAIK need root access)?
Again, thanks for the advice, I appreciate you taking the time to help.
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Its blocked BC u are trying to install it, not run it. Read that error message again.
What happens if you open ROM manager and try to flash clockwork recovery? Or load titanium backup?
End points are HIGHLY important, and if you read your post carefully, you have not yet demonstrated that superuser access is broken, only the icon from which you inferred it is broken. Let me know then we can go from there
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fatttire said:
Mods please move to Q&A
Try adb root before adb push
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Thanks, that was one of the first things I tried last night, but that did not work.

fatttire said:
Its blocked BC u are trying to install it, not run it. Read that error message again.
What happens if you open ROM manager and try to flash clockwork recovery? Or load titanium backup?
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Yeah, you're right, now that I see that error message, I guess it is trying to install it. That's odd, because I thought that the oneclick method would have already installed this app during the recovery boot load?
Regarding ROM manager, funny you should ask, that was the entire genesis of why I'm trying to root, so I can backup my phone and install the custom ROMs. After I installed ROM manager and tried to run it was where I initially noticed I must not have root access. When I try to flash clockwork recovery, the app hangs for (oddly enough) around 10 seconds. I never see any prompt for granting root access to clockwork recovery, nor does it boot into the recovery mode.

Okay I have another idea.
If your goal is to simply make a backup to flash a ROM, try this:
1. Download Cog 2.3b6. Other ROMs may have the file I'm looking for but I know it is here. Also you may be able to search and find this file directly but I'm too lazy to find the link for you lol
2. Open the zip file on your computer and extract /sdcard/update.zip
3. Adb push update.zip /sdcard/update.zip
4. Reboot recovery, reinstall packages, you are in clockwork recovery and can back up your ROM.
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I'd like to try that, except that it appears there is some type of permission snafu on /sdcard. I believe the permissions on that folder *should* be 777, but it is 775 (other has no write access) for some odd reason, and I have no clue how that happened. Hence, when adb tries to push the update.zip to the internal SD folder, it gets permission denied. As I mentioned, not sure if this is related to not being able to execute su, but it is strange nonetheless.

Guys, please disregard what I mentioned earlier about adb and not being able to push the root/unroot.zip to /sdcard. I'm a moron, and I had left the internal SD card mounted to Windows after connecting the phone via USB. Clearly for adb to push/pull off of /sdcard, the internal SD card must *not* be mounted by Windows. My mistake, sorry for the confusion.
The original theme of the thread is still unanswered though, which is how the one-click root could have worked and not installed the SuperUser app onto my phone.
I will try the recommendation earlier in the thread, to download and install the SuperUser app from Android Market to see if that fixes things.

OK, so I downloaded and installed the SuperUser app from the Market, and for whatever reason, this seems to have addressed the issue. I am now prompted to allow applications root privileges. I'm not sure why this was necessary or how it fixed things, perhaps because it overwrote the version of su that was on my phone with a newer one. In any case, it's working.

Require some guidence Samsung Captivate

I just switched to the samsung captivate (build number:ECLAIR.UXJI2) after being an iphone user for years. I put in every mod in that i could, unlocked it, & jailbroke it as much as humanly possible. Android is totally new to me. I have sucessfully rooted my device, but have no idea how to unlock the nand protection in order to install busy box so that I can install certan apps and utilities. My other problem is that I dont know what nand is, what busybox is, or what they do. I'm unfemilliar with the android terms as well and what they do, sush as flash, rom, ect.
I put 20 hrs of research in, in the last 3 days on line, and all i got done was a root.
I know im asking alot, but i can return the favors of android info with iphone info.
Thanks in advance to who ever helps me.

Did you download busy box app from market?
Busy box is a set of commands that many root programs utilize

groovydude1981 said:
I just switched to the samsung captivate (build number:ECLAIR.UXJI2) after being an iphone user for years. I put in every mod in that i could, unlocked it, & jailbroke it as much as humanly possible. Android is totally new to me. I have sucessfully rooted my device, but have no idea how to unlock the nand protection in order to install busy box so that I can install certan apps and utilities. My other problem is that I dont know what nand is, what busybox is, or what they do. I'm unfemilliar with the android terms as well and what they do, sush as flash, rom, ect.
I put 20 hrs of research in, in the last 3 days on line, and all i got done was a root.
I know im asking alot, but i can return the favors of android info with iphone info.
Thanks in advance to who ever helps me.
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After u root:
1. Go to market and search for busybox and install it.
2. Open busy box, and follow the steps in it install the required commands.
You should be good now.

mcord11758 said:
Did you download busy box app from market?
Busy box is a set of commands that many root programs utilize
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@mcord11758: * one more collision *

diablo009 said:
@mcord11758: * one more collision *
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We are in sync

mcord11758 said:
We are in sync
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oops. wrong word. u sure know how to phrase ur sentences. r u in any business/management role?

diablo009 said:
oops. wrong word. u sure know how to phrase ur sentences. r u in any business/management role?
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I am in sales, but my educational background Is business

groovydude1981 said:
I just switched to the samsung captivate (build number:ECLAIR.UXJI2) after being an iphone user for years. I put in every mod in that i could, unlocked it, & jailbroke it as much as humanly possible. Android is totally new to me. I have sucessfully rooted my device, but have no idea how to unlock the nand protection in order to install busy box so that I can install certan apps and utilities. My other problem is that I dont know what nand is, what busybox is, or what they do. I'm unfemilliar with the android terms as well and what they do, sush as flash, rom, ect.
I put 20 hrs of research in, in the last 3 days on line, and all i got done was a root.
I know im asking alot, but i can return the favors of android info with iphone info.
Thanks in advance to who ever helps me.
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Wow, I had my phone rooted and flashed within an hour of even learning what it all was.
Video tutorials are the best way to learn the basics, and once you have a grasp of what youre doing written instructions become easier to understand.
I recommend watching as many ROM review and install videos as possible, make sure to watch them more than once and while youre actually doing the steps.

thanks for the quick responce
I did download busybox from the market, but it tells me that everything is unavailable, and that my phone is rooted but my nand protection is still on. Plus busybox tells me that it can't find itself, whatever that means. lol
Pls let me know how to correct this.
By the way I used super 1 click 1.6.3 to root my device.
Thanks ppl your all awsome.

I also watched lots of videos, but could not find anything specific to my device. What other device videos are compatible in content with my samsung captivate?
thanks again.

Did you click install in busy box?

I dont know why but Itried busy box again and it installed. Now i think I just need nand protection removed andthe on click lag fix installed. it still wont install

groovydude1981 said:
I dont know why but Itried busy box again and it installed. Now i think I just need nand protection removed andthe on click lag fix installed. it still wont install
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I would not use one click lash fix, but that is just me. If you want a lag fix consider a custom rom. One click lag fix is obsolete

thanks for the heads up. I installed the one click lag fix for now. When i learn how to use custom roms, ill uninstall it and use an up to date rom.

some help
groovydude1981 said:
thanks for the heads up. I installed the one click lag fix for now. When i learn how to use custom roms, ill uninstall it and use an up to date rom.
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This is probably a great place for you to start.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=887525
there is a one click out there with root, unroot, and non market apps. i'm looking for it for you
EDIT
Here it is
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803682
Also before doing too much i'd familiarize yourself with the ODIN one click and learn about it as well as download mode so you know how to fix a bricked phone, well a soft bricked one.

I used super 1 click to root my phone, but anything you can send me is most appreciated. I will not be able to thank you enough.

Try rooting again with Galaxy one click root.

What will galaxy one click do for me that super one click wont?

They both essentially do the same thing. After your phone has been rooted you need to see if you can find the Super User app. It should be installed on your phone.
I've meant to update the Q&A sticky with what versions are easy to root.. so I apologize for not having it there.
When you install anything that requires root access (hence why your phone is rooted to begin with ) you would get a pop up requesting to have that application gain root access.
But.. there are only a few 3rd party apps that require root access if your not going to flash a custom ROM.
Titanium Backup btw will install the latest version of BusyBox for you - it is a highly used application to backup your system and applications for your phone.
Another highly used application is ROM Manager (used for flashing ROMs)
I would highly suggest you get familiar with how you restore your phone back to stock - then check out teh sticky under the dev forum on how to flash a custom ROM.
Then your on your way to becoming a fellow flash junky

I'm in the same boat as groovydude.
I have a 2 month old Samsung Captivate (first smart phone). I'm trying to root it. I have run SuperOneClick at least 6 times trying everything that I can find in the forums. I have drivers installed. Does anyone know if this tool will work on this phone, or if there is a tool that does. The output from SuperOneClick-ShortFuse is below. Every time it runs it tells me it is rooted, and every app that I open requiring root tells me it is not.
I have tried instructions to root via Update.zip. The instructions were to drop the file on the internal sd. When I plug the phone into the usb port, two drives show up. Nothing can be dropped on either. They both say to insert a disk. I have no external sd card. Does anyone know what might be the holdback?
Also, SuperOneClick said that BusyBox was installed, but I could not find it, so I downloaded Stericson's BusyBox installer. It failed to install with a message that the phone was now rooted but BusyBox was not found. It said the application failed because the phone is not "nand unlocked." What is nand unlocked? The only unlocking procedures that I can find instructions for are to unlock a phone from a carrier. Is this what "nand means"?
I tried Titanium Backup to install BusyBox, and it complains that the rom is not rooted after both other processes said it was. TI offered to download and install BusyBox and it failed too.
Does anyone know why all these procedures say that they have rooted the phone but nothing still works? Or what is nand unlock? and how is it done?
SUPERONECLICK OUTPUT:
SuperOneClick v1.6.5.0
Killing ADB Server...
OK
Starting ADB Server...
* daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 *
* daemon started successfully *
OK
Waiting for device...
OK
Pushing psneuter...
558 KB/s (585731 bytes in 1.024s)
OK
chmod psneuter...
OK
Running psneuter...
OK
***IF IT KEEPS LOOPING, TRY DISABLING USB DEBUGGING NOW***
Killing ADB Server...
OK
Starting ADB Server...
* daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 *
* daemon started successfully *
OK
Waiting for device...
OK
Running psneuter...
ROOTED
Pushing busybox...
974 KB/s (1062992 bytes in 1.065s)
OK
chmod busybox...
OK
Getting mount path...
/dev/block/stl9
OK
Reading OS Version properties...
Version: 1.5
OK
Remounting system with read-write access...
OK
Pushing su-v1...
640 KB/s (26256 bytes in 0.040s)
OK
chmod su...
OK
Creating /system/xbin...
mkdir failed for /system/xbin, File exists
OK
Copying busybox (/system/xbin/)...
OK
chmod busybox (/system/xbin/)...
OK
Installing busybox (/system/xbin/)...
OK
Pushing Superuser.apk...
1626 KB/s (196521 bytes in 0.118s)
OK
Remounting system with read-only access...
OK
Running a SU test...
Test failed!
FAILED
ro.wifi.channels=
ro.product.cpu.abi=armeabi-v7a
ro.product.model=SAMSUNG-SGH-I897
ro.build.tags=test-keys
ro.build.version.release=2.1-update1
ro.build.description=SGH-I897-user 2.1-update1 ECLAIR UCJH7 release-keys
ro.product.brand=Samsung
ro.product.device=SGH-I897
ro.build.version.incremental=UCJH7
ro.build.type=user
ro.build.date.utc=1282903617
ro.board.platform=s5pc110
ro.product.name=SGH-I897
ro.product.board=SGH-I897
ro.build.user=jetaek.lee
ro.build.display.id=ECLAIR
ro.build.version.codename=REL
ro.build.product=SGH-I897
ro.build.id=ECLAIR
ro.build.version.sdk=7
ro.product.cpu.abi2=armeabi
ro.product.manufacturer=samsung
ro.product.locale.region=GB
ro.build.date=2010. 08. 27. (???) 19:06:57 KST
ro.product.locale.language=en
ro.build.host=sep-11
ro.build.fingerprint=Samsung/

[Q] Any changes to the sdcard files will not take

editi guess sdcard is incorrect/confusing for my situation, it's the entire system up to root folders is stuck in a read-only type state.
I didn't really see anything that fits my current problem (sorry if there is an answer somewhere buried in here)
So to start off with info, I installed Android on the TP back in February for my fiancée just for the basics of email, videoplayer, comic reader, internet browsing. Nothing too extravagant, just something with more to offer than webos.
I never did any updates on it because it worked perfectly fine for what it was being used on.
I've changed out the video selection many times as she watches through the shows with no problems.
Now I go to change the files and I delete them, add the new stuff, all seems fine. Then I unmount it and everything I deleted is back and everything I added is gone. I've uninstalled apps and they come back, I've done updates to apps and they revert back to before the update.
I've gone into CMW and done the wipes and even formatted sdcard, cache, etc. Nothing works. Even mounting USB in CWM to add files gives the same result of them disappearing right after it is unmounted.
I've tried ACMEUnistaller but it doesn't work. I saw something flash by the screen about something failing, but it goes too fast to even really see what it's about.
Sorry this is so long. I appreciate any insight!
Kernel
2.6.35-palm-tenderloin
[email protected]ost #12
CyanogenMod version:
9.0.0-RC0-Touchpad-alpha2
Build Date
Mon, Feb 20 13:59:21 CST 2012
Build Number
IML74K

plasticsoldier said:
I didn't really see anything that fits my current problem (sorry if there is an answer somewhere buried in here)
So to start off with info, I installed Android on the TP back in February for my fiancée just for the basics of email, videoplayer, comic reader, internet browsing. Nothing too extravagant, just something with more to offer than webos.
I never did any updates on it because it worked perfectly fine for what it was being used on.
I've changed out the video selection many times as she watches through the shows with no problems.
Now I go to change the files and I delete them, add the new stuff, all seems fine. Then I unmount it and everything I deleted is back and everything I added is gone. I've uninstalled apps and they come back, I've done updates to apps and they revert back to before the update.
I've gone into CMW and done the wipes and even formatted sdcard, cache, etc. Nothing works. Even mounting USB in CWM to add files gives the same result of them disappearing right after it is unmounted.
I've tried ACMEUnistaller but it doesn't work. I saw something flash by the screen about something failing, but it goes too fast to even really see what it's about.
Sorry this is so long. I appreciate any insight!
Kernel
2.6.35-palm-tenderloin
[email protected] #12
CyanogenMod version:
9.0.0-RC0-Touchpad-alpha2
Build Date
Mon, Feb 20 13:59:21 CST 2012
Build Number
IML74K
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I've run across this 3 times with TPs I work on....
1st one had to be sent back to HP because somehow internal memory was damaged and got locked in some some of read only mode
2nd one I saw, I went into webOS, installed the internalz app, mounted the TP to the computer, then added and erased some files and from then on all was good in both webOS and Android
3rd and 4th (same customer) had to be sent in to HP
Now let me mention I live in Costa Rica so all these have been exposed to several scans at airport security checkpoints. I mention this because I haven't seen anything close to a read only problem with the TPs in the USA
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thank you so much for the info. Unfortunately Internalz didn't want to help the items stay deleted either. The stuck in read-only type mode is very weird.
I'm pretty sure I am 3 weeks out of the 1-year warranty on it, plus I am unable to remove android from it to even trick them that it just doesn't work.
I guess I'll try webos doctor and see if that can get it going.
edit: webos doctor not working, even with the closing it at 8-12% tricks and doing the lvm.static..... stuff... 'cause it of course doesn't see to actually delete anything... i'll have to double check tomorrow when i bought it, pretty sure it's over the year and since it turns on and has android kinda screwed

plasticsoldier said:
thank you so much for the info. Unfortunately Internalz didn't want to help the items stay deleted either. The stuck in read-only type mode is very weird.
I'm pretty sure I am 3 weeks out of the 1-year warranty on it, plus I am unable to remove android from it to even trick them that it just doesn't work.
I guess I'll try webos doctor and see if that can get it going.
edit: webos doctor not working, even with the closing it at 8-12% tricks and doing the lvm.static..... stuff... 'cause it of course doesn't see to actually delete anything... i'll have to double check tomorrow when i bought it, pretty sure it's over the year and since it turns on and has android kinda screwed
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I would suggest trying to restore down to WebOS 3.0. In that procedure you literally wipe EVERYTHING on the internal partitions in novaterm and start from absolute scratch. Therefore, if it a software issue you could solve the problem. However, if it is a hardware issue, you'd be kinda screwed.

Yeah, none of the methods I've ended up finding about this problem or other bricked problems are working at all.
i checked at work when i bought it, which of course the 11th was the year mark... but I do have android installed so even if i can get any chance of them honouring it so close they'll probably be like "oh you have android, that'll be $$$ for us to do anything. thanks!"
So I guess I now I have a paperweight with some features.

cdzo72 said:
I've run across this 3 times with TPs I work on....
1st one had to be sent back to HP because somehow internal memory was damaged and got locked in some some of read only mode
2nd one I saw, I went into webOS, installed the internalz app, mounted the TP to the computer, then added and erased some files and from then on all was good in both webOS and Android
3rd and 4th (same customer) had to be sent in to HP
Now let me mention I live in Costa Rica so all these have been exposed to several scans at airport security checkpoints. I mention this because I haven't seen anything close to a read only problem with the TPs in the USA
Sent from my aokp_tenderloin using Tapatalk 2
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When you got the tablets back had they been fixed or were they refurbs ? Did HP say anything about Android still being on it?

There is a thread in the General forum about how to restore and downgrade. Have you tried that thread ? It is usually a great way to try and get that last restore before sending it back to HP.
73 de VE6AY
Sent from my HP Touchpad, running the latest CM9 nightly, from the XDA Premium App

how are you adding and deleting files when in android? which version of android do you have installed? have you tried different rom versions? have you tried moving and/or deleting files over adb? are you using windows or linux on your computer that youre connecting the touchpad to? it doesnt make sense that the sdcard would be set to read only. is it only certain folders that you cant modify the contents of, or is it the entire sdcard? are you able to modify contents of folders in the / directory of the device using root file explorer or es file explorer in android? have you run "fix permissions"? Also, running webosdoctor wont wipe the sdcard contents or format the sdcard in any way. its going to change the data in the webos partition and may change some data in the /boot directory.

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When you got the tablets back had they been fixed or were they refurbs ? Did HP say anything about Android still being on it?
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They had been fixed but the owners sent them off and had to pay for the whole thing because they had Android on them. When I got my hands on them again I just reinstalled Android. HP charged a little over a hundred dollars for the fix
Sent from my aokp_tenderloin using Tapatalk 2

cdzo72 said:
They had been fixed but the owners sent them off and had to pay for the whole thing because they had Android on them. When I got my hands on them again I just reinstalled Android. HP charged a little over a hundred dollars for the fix
Sent from my aokp_tenderloin using Tapatalk 2
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Thanks for the answer, this would tend to suggest that the problem is software based corrupted or otherwise. I am trying to find a program that will allow me to read/format the Android partition on my windows computer and will let you know if come up with anything.
Regards

i guess i should change the title slightly.. it's not sdcard, but basically the entire touchpad contents. go to root and delete whatever i want and it doesn't matter. connect it and format with windows and it doesn't actually matter.
haxin said:
how are you adding and deleting files when in android?
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i've added and deleted just by using mtp. i've also deleted the files on the android side with the video player (vplayer) i've installed es file explorer (which after restart is gone) and deleted with that. i've also gone into webos and installed internalz pro and deleted files that way, which it then seems to work until i of course do anything related to restarting.
some of the files i've put on, i've had it recognize briefly. so for the video file, start it, then it gets really choppy/glitchy playing it. so stop it, go back into the vplayer and it's back to the old stuff
which version of android do you have installed? have you tried different rom versions?
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android version 4.0.3. nothing else will install. if i add files while in android, when i boot into cwm they are gone. if i mount usb in cwm and add them they stay briefly but when i try to flash them they fail.
have you tried moving and/or deleting files over adb? are you using windows or linux on your computer that youre connecting the touchpad to?
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i have not tried adb yet, just not as familiar using it properly, i will give it a try though.
i am using windows 7 on my laptop currently. i do have a pc upstairs that i barely use that has vista, but i don't know how that would make a difference to the touchpad
it doesnt make sense that the sdcard would be set to read only. is it only certain folders that you cant modify the contents of, or is it the entire sdcard?
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yeah as i put above i guess saying sdcard was a bit confusing/misleading (my bad, sorry!), i didn't really know what else to call it at the time or how to explain myself properly at first.
are you able to modify contents of folders in the / directory of the device using root file explorer or es file explorer in android?
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i can move/delete/modify anything which has absolutely no effect to the device. i've used es file explorer and gone up to root and deleted everything and the system runs fine. says the system is empty with lots of free space (its the 32gb model) but restart or even go into recovery and everything is once again there.
have you run "fix permissions"?
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i've run it a few times. just acts likes it's working and then says done. i've even gone into the mounts and storage in cwm and formatted sdcard/cache/data/system. does nothing at all in the end of things
Also, running webosdoctor wont wipe the sdcard contents or format the sdcard in any way. its going to change the data in the webos partition and may change some data in the /boot directory.
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it was just something to try to get somewhere right. it never gets past 12%. always fails to reboot.
I am currently letting the battery drain and see if it dying and then being charged will do anything. probably not. but who knows. i talked to a "tech" on the chat support (i never mentioned android) who told me that having preware installed in webos causing it to become corrupt and they "don't knowledge of preware installed devices" exact words. no idea what that means haha don't have knowledge, don't acknowledge...
anyhow. i've not quite given up. i just don't really see it turning out any differently from the previous times. i do appreciate all the feedback and help very much though

ok so heres what I would try. First try flashing a new fresh rom. download one that you want to your computer like cm9 nightly or aokp or whatever you feel like. then boot into CWM recovery connect the touchpad to the computer via usb. then connect to the touchpad with adb. I'm not sure how to do this in windows because it's been so long since I've done it on a windows box, I always use linux.
adb has alot of options, you can move files to and from the device, you can uninstall or install app packages, and more. this way you can adb push the rom .zip to the touchpad's sdcard while youre in cwm recovery. this way you dont have to reboot the touchpad and risk having the file disappear, you can just go to 'install zip from sdcard' and then 'choose zip from sdcard' in cwm recovery after you adb push the rom, you should see it in the folder you pushed it to on the sdcard.
If you arent familiar with how to use adb from the command line or the terminal this might not make alot of sense and i dont know how better to explain it than that. Also yes windows 7 vs windows vista does make a difference there are issues with novacom installing properly, that's why you would have problems running acmeuninstaller or acmeinstaller2. if you look around you should find some videos or how to's that can probably explain it better. Hope this helps.
http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Novacom_with_Windows_7
http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/295881-webos-doctor-12-issue-fixed-5.html

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1426244 is the thread I was talking about - it allows you to access the hard root of the device, repartition it, and start again from scratch. It is what I was suggesting last night, from my tablet when I didn't have the link handy.

ve6ay said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1426244 is the thread I was talking about - it allows you to access the hard root of the device, repartition it, and start again from scratch. It is what I was suggesting last night, from my tablet when I didn't have the link handy.
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Probably the best suggestion yet given that everything else has been tried.
Good luck.

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Before you attempt the step above I have just noticed a difference between between cwm and. TWRP2.2 which I have installed on my Touchpad via goo manager. If I open recovery via goo manager and then select wipe it gives me 4 options cache, davlik, factory reset AND system which i think says will remove your rom . I don't see the forth option available with the regular cwm/clockwork. Just a thought.
All the best with whatever you try next.

sstar said:
Probably the best suggestion yet given that everything else has been tried.
Good luck.
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this would work, however you have to fix you novacom/novaterm issues on your windows machine before you'll be able to do any of this. the reason acmeuninstaller, acmeinstaller2 arent working is likely because youre on a windows7 64bit box and Palm-sdk, the novacomd.exe, noverm.exe, and javaruntime apps and drivers arent setup right. just make sure you have the proper javaupdates on your computer then you can install preware in webos, preware has some nice tools that will delete the entire android install partitions, one is called 'remove android' and the other is called 'tailor' you run them from within webos. after you do that then in webos you should do a full device reset. you'll find it in the "info" tab under settings in webos. this will delete and reformat the whole /media ,(aka sdcard) partition. so you will lose all the files you have stored on both webos and android. that format will take a long time probably like 30 min or more. after thats done. reboot the hp and run webosdoctor. now i know for sure this will work because ive done it on mine. remember to put the touchpad in developer mode in webos first to install preware. you can do that by typing webos20090606 into the webos search bar and hitting enter. I'll put links from my box.com accou t to everything you need.
https://www.box.com/s/479acdb6ef9c99fc7b92
https://www.box.com/s/1aed4722990aad251570
edit: also I'm not sure if youre on the 16gig 32gig or 64gig pad, the webosdoctor that i linked is for 32gig wifi only US version. if thats not what you have then youll need to get the doctor for for specific touchpad. or you could create a webosmetadoctor but thats a whole nother project.

i have the 32gb version. i assume US and Canadian aren't gonna make a difference
i've tried all those threads. any novacom/novaterm stuff doesn't work, the files won't delete so when trying to recreate they just error saying it already exists.
if the devices is on in androind the adb can find the device although the "Serial" has a bunch of ???? at the end of it. when i go to cwm adb cannot find the device.
in cwm i can mount and add files that way and go back to install zip sdcard but get:
Code:
--Installing /sdcard/aokp_tenderloin_milestone-4.zip
Finding update package...
Opening update package...
E: Can't open /sdcard/aokp_tenderloin_milestone-4.zip
(bad)
Installation aborted
used "remove android" in webos, but then nothing is different after the fact as usual. 'tailor' doesn't seem to exist anymore in preware at least that i can find
not sure if there is anything else I can do at this point

plasticsoldier said:
i have the 32gb version. i assume US and Canadian aren't gonna make a difference
i've tried all those threads. any novacom/novaterm stuff doesn't work, the files won't delete so when trying to recreate they just error saying it already exists.
if the devices is on in androind the adb can find the device although the "Serial" has a bunch of ???? at the end of it. when i go to cwm adb cannot find the device.
in cwm i can mount and add files that way and go back to install zip sdcard but get:
Code:
--Installing /sdcard/aokp_tenderloin_milestone-4.zip
Finding update package...
Opening update package...
E: Can't open /sdcard/aokp_tenderloin_milestone-4.zip
(bad)
Installation aborted
used "remove android" in webos, but then nothing is different after the fact as usual. 'tailor' doesn't seem to exist anymore in preware at least that i can find
not sure if there is anything else I can do at this point
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ok no one will be able to help you fix this issue unless you give complete details of the problems. when you say " novacom/novaterm stuff doesn't work" we cant really help specific error details is what i need. I dont mind helping you fix this but you have to be a little more specific on exactly what,where, and how youre installing and running and mounting apps and directories.
your problem IS fixable but you need to slow down and really do things exactly step by step.
Ok so back to ./adb. now when you boot in to CWM recovery on he touchpad DONT do anything in CWM just plug it into the computer. do not mount it as a usb storage and dont mount or unmount the sd partition LEAVE IT.
you can then use ./adb from the command line or terminal on the computer to move the files to the touchpad' or install apk's uninstall apk's you name it. This will require that you know some linux terminal commands. for example to move a new rom zip to the internal sd card or into any other folder you can use ./adb push command to run a root shell on the android device itself you can use ./adb shell and then change folder and file properties from readonly to rw. this can all be done while the touchpad is patiently waitng in CWM recovery. this way when youre done installing or uninstalling apps from the device and moving flash zips to it, you can disconnect the .adb connection with ./adb disconnect or just type exit from the terminal till it closes. unplug it then you will be able to pick up the touchpad and install zip from the sdcard, keep in mind you dont want to choose 'apply u[date from sdcard' you want to use the 'install zip from sdcard option' you can read up more on how adb works. it is probally the most important part of hacking android.
with that being said. novaterm is the palm webos version of .adb. this is why when you boot into webos recovery to do things like acmeinstaller and acmeuninstaller2 the novaterm novacom and novacomd apps have to be installed correctly on the computer or else you wont be going anywhere fast. some screenshot examples of how it should appear below.
https://www.box.com/s/432e63a83215f00eea6a
https://www.box.com/s/970bc29542a05f98f036
https://www.box.com/s/63c0f656e8354f7f2d6a
https://www.box.com/s/cbe3266467ae8e3ebabe
https://www.box.com/s/005e56a61a178dd17fa4 some better resolution images.

Plasticsoldier said
used "remove android" in webos, but then nothing is different after the fact as usual. 'tailor' doesn't seem to exist anymore in preware at least that i can find
not sure if there is anything else I can do at this point
Yes there is
Firstly tailor does exist, it is a beta and the facility to dl must be enabled.
Read this and scroll down to Enabling beta test feeds and follow the instructions , when you get as far as using the Linux command you CAN copy and paste thank God.
http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds?wasRedirected=true . After that reboot into Webos and launch preware. Go into managed feeds as per the instructions in the link above and install Tailor. Reboot again and the app will work. It looks very good actually.
But before attempting to actually use Tailor please read the article I have posted below it is only 7 pages long but will explain how to use Taylor properly as it is a powerful tool.
http://forums.webosnation.com/webos...partition-filesystem-editor-beta-testing.html
I have done all of this , this morning so if you have any problems pm me or ask in this thread.
I sincerely hope that this helps, it should be the answer to your problems.

@haxin: sorry, wasn't trying to be unhelpful when everyone is being helpful to me. I shall be more detailed in future responses. I think i was getting frustrated and had had a busy exhausting day so it didn't help me come across clearly/properly.
OK, so I had preware installed already, so I removed it, went into developer mode, used the linux commands, reinstalled preware, added Tailor.
(i've done this a few times, because I didn't remove the cable after doing the linux commands for preware, then i accidentally hit the wrong buttons and it connected to 'usb drive' mode and wouldn't connect on the pc side and got stuck on the "ow disconnected me properly next time" screen).
So it gives me the following options
USB (media)
Android (system)
Android (cache)
Android (data)
Unused Space
the 'usb media' starts mounted and will mount again if unmounted. If I use 'check filesystem' it'll pass. So then I try 'delete partition' which pretends to delete, then it takes me to the unused partition which is still at 16mb. so i try to use "check filesystem' again and it fails. try repair and it fails as well
I've tried mounting the android parts just to see, they just sit there processing that they are trying to mount. trying to delete or anything else fails as well.
and now after trying things, any of the 'cards' will try to open and just sit there grey. and with my usb cable not plugged in it still is giving me the option to enter usb drive mode. and with this i have to restart and go through the steps again of adding Tailor which is getting tedious.
I restarted, went through the motions to get back to Tailor. trying out resizing just to see how that goes. So far 15%. not sure what will happen when done, but we will see.
This is getting long, so i'll end this part and update on anything and also try to familiarize myself with adb a tad more