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[Q]What Do You Want In A ROM?

I'm new to this rom cooking business here so i wanted to see what everyone wanted out of a ROM. I've already made something with the help of all folks on XDA but i'm not sure if this is something i want to release because its not really any different than the roms that are already out there except its probably slower
The idea of this is for everyone to tell me what they want in a rom and maybe some advice in cooking ROMs would be nice.
My Ideas:
1. A lite ROM
2. an SPB ROM (of course you would have bought SPB mobile shell to use this)
3. A touch flo 3d rom (Just because i love itje and chalid's ROMS)

1. Touchflo 3D... that is a MUST for me
2. ALL Microsoft apps included with X1. I lose MS notes program with Xperience
3. ALL included games
4. perhaps a new panel or two
5. instant messaging
6. more stable bluetooth
7. wifi networking / UMA calling
Just things that I would like... not sure how feasible some are, but definitely a wish list.

1. A TF3D version that is capable of handling AVRCP and A2DP correctly!!! (like daran clarkes)
2. Voip

basicly just a fast default ROM without anything special.
so lightweight plx!?
so i can install TF3D instead of manilla (a2dp, seems faster too)

Agreed upon the TF3D..that is deffinatly a must! IN PORTRAIT AND LANDSCAPE
ALL MS Office Apps
All Stock Apps + Additional ones from diff roms
A few new panels
Full QWERTY Keyboard
(Xperice is good, but i dont like the blackstone layout for dialer nor password screen) I like the metal brush look like the stock one had

gregnm369 said:
1. Touchflo 3D... that is a MUST for me
2. ALL Microsoft apps included with X1. I lose MS notes program with Xperience
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Are you talking about One Note? I can definitely add that back. The one i already cooked i removed that too.
3. ALL included games
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By All included games do you mean Sudoku and Bejwelled? I believe they are both shareware... Would anyone be interested in having emulators in there although they don't quite work without the WVGA fix?
4. perhaps a new panel or two
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I had originally removed panles but maybe that is another ROM i will create. One with Panels, One without plus TFL3D and one with Both.
5. instant messaging
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Any objections to Beejive? and fring?
6. more stable bluetooth
7. wifi networking / UMA calling
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These two i have no idea how to fix but i do have a lot of free time

achmed20 said:
basicly just a fast default ROM without anything special.
so lightweight plx!?
so i can install TF3D instead of manilla (a2dp, seems faster too)
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Are you talking about the TF3DBETA2 that is out? Thats the one i'm working off of with adding touchflo3d. Its modded with itje's beautiful touch of blue stuff but i might be changing that all to red. I have to figure out how to edit manila files.

Bxsteez said:
Are you talking about the TF3DBETA2 that is out? Thats the one i'm working off of with adding touchflo3d. Its modded with itje's beautiful touch of blue stuff but i might be changing that all to red. I have to figure out how to edit manila files.
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yep! thats the one im talking about. i read that it has propper a2dp support while the manilla doesnt have. havnt had a chance to test it yet since my car radio got stolen last month
oh and plz ... if there has to be TF3D on teh ROm, DONT mod it with colors. turning the tf3d into blue is easy, but making it black aggain is kinda impossible cause i havnt found the darn skin/cab for it yet.

Hmmm well thats interesting. I was going to make it similar to itje's touch of blue but i was going to make it red but you have a valid point. I'll release those as cabs if i can find a free cab creation program.

I agree with the OP on his first suggestion;
A lite rom for each WM build, with updated drivers/tweaks and a selection of cabs for commonly used applications so we can pick and choose what we install.
I don't much like TF3D or Panels, I prefer SPB applications (low resource use and better customisation, IMHO).
Of course "tweaks and drivers" can sometimes be a matter of opinion, but as far as ROMs go I'd like any available choice to be mine. So if there's a choice between two or more Ati driver dlls, for example, to provide the ddls for download to be installed at the user's discretion.
Even an untweaked lite ROM for each WM build would be good, so we can experiment with tweaks and configuration as we see fit.

Whoa for each WM build? There are hundreds of builds out there. I will update the builds as i find out about them but i don't think i'll be cooking a ROM for each build out there. I think i'm going to start with a lite rom.
Question to all. Do you want panel manager installed so you have the flexibility to install the panels or just blank. If i don't install panels i'm going to try and remap the the panel buttion to a start button.

Bxsteez said:
Whoa for each WM build? There are hundreds of builds out there. I will update the builds as i find out about them but i don't think i'll be cooking a ROM for each build out there. I think i'm going to start with a lite rom.
Question to all. Do you want panel manager installed so you have the flexibility to install the panels or just blank. If i don't install panels i'm going to try and remap the the panel buttion to a start button.
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Panels are cool IMHO

I would love to see a rom that is as close to stock as possible regarding content.
A stock rom with tweaked settings for performance. No added programs (such as TF3D, games, plugins, apps etc.)
Then provide links to cab files containing new apps and so on.
Etc. a cab for TF3D, cab for Blackstone Dialer, cab for Blackstone keyboard and so on.
That way people can install those seperately and get their phone 100% like they want it.
The main problem with most roms is that people do not want all of it so by making a single clean stock rom containing only updated apps, drivers and tweaks and then making cab files available that would certainly make more users switch.

Amplificator said:
I would love to see a rom that is as close to stock as possible regarding content.
A stock rom with tweaked settings for performance. No added programs (such as TF3D, games, plugins, apps etc.)
Then provide links links to cab files containing new apps and so on.
Etc. a cab for TF3D, cab for Blackstone Dialer, cab for Blackstone keyboard and so on.
That way people can install those seperately and get their phone 100% like they want it.
The main problem with most roms is that people do not want all of it so by making a single clean stock rom containing only updated apps, drivers and tweaks and then making cab files available that would certainly make more users switch.
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Agreed 100%.

I hope you make a basic tweaked rom where you can add or remove your cabs. so you can easily update de progs by uninstall the old cab and replace it with the new version.

I'm going to start working on a Lite ROM tonight when i get home. I'm going to try a performance tweak that i've done before..... Hopefully i don't brick my phone

As many of those who responded:
- TF3D
- All stock apps* (Yes, i want OneNote, i use it at work and it is great)
- All stock games*
- to be stable enough, to use for few months without worrying about flashing again..
*about stock apps and games, it is ok also to remove them from the ROM but at least provide them as cabs.

basically a FAST rom, these little devices are nice, but the small lags are quite annoying when you are in a hurry (like when you slide the keyboard to write someone s name to cal them but then you slide it back because you want to phone without the keyboard extended)

I'd agree on most points!
A great idea to start cooking
I think it would be pretty neat if you could cook a rom with all the stuff (TF3D, panels manager and so on) but make the apps uninstallable, if possible and please please please leave the tf3d in black I just love the whole stuff on may phone in black!
p.s.: did you see the ripped max 4G contacts app? its much better than the htc and windows one. I installed it today and its really smooth!
Thanks in advance!

You have a problem with the speed of the screen rotation? I haven't seen this on any of the roms i've used with the exception of my current one lol.. but i think i screwed something up.

[01.02.10] Touch-IT BT - manila 2.5.20113030 - Discontinued at xda

Touch-IT Black Topaz​
I am removing my roms due to conflicts with certain members at xda, this looks like it cant be solved in normal ways. And because I do not want anymore of the bickering and fighting, I am pulling my work from XDA and all support is moved to you know where. I cant even mention that name anymore here.
Sorry to see this happen here, where I have learned so much, and met so many wonderful ppl.

rom is now online
happy flashing

Sounds great. Are you going to release a german version of it? And can you tell me if the video playback on HQ YouTube videos is laggy or something? I guess you are using the X2 video driver?

new UI, wonderful
will give it a try
thx for that

Thanks, i will install it and give some feedback

Flasing as we speak, will report back!
Thanks for the rom!

Thank you
Now flashing .....

after flashed and hard reset one time
today screen with weather animation look great ( not lag like some other rom )
but i about SMS , it's still lag (maybe because i have more than 100 sms)

dreaminside said:
after flashed and hard reset one time
today screen with weather animation look great ( not lag like some other rom )
but i about SMS , it's still lag (maybe because i have more than 100 sms)
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Can you maybe check out the video playback? If its not croppy or anything. Thank you.

dreaminside said:
after flashed and hard reset one time
today screen with weather animation look great ( not lag like some other rom )
but i about SMS , it's still lag (maybe because i have more than 100 sms)
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@dreaminside, test this for sms:
smaberg said:
This thred is to post the best mods and tweaks for new Sense 2.5.
I will post the mods that i use all the time, and i hope you guys/girls will follow and post your own mods.
15/12 -09 HTC official SMS fix.cab -thanks fab985 for cabbing it.
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grEEtZ,
gongoscho

[doublepost]

Just an early impression (played for a few hours); but so far WM6.5 and Manilla 2.5 seem to be very smooth. (alot faster then the NRG rom i tried before this one)
I also like the decision to use Opera 9* instead of 10Beta, since 9 is alot less annoying at times. (@ 10B i cannot seem to see whether i pressed a link or not)
However, why did you leave out HTC's Wifi share and the percentual battery meter?
Also, im not sure if Opera Mini is liking Jblend much, it seemed to bug the animations/screen changes after loading a few pages.
(for others, look in HKCU-Software-Jblend of the register, to make Jblend fullscreen)
That aside, i love it, great job for this lag-free Manilla 2.5 experience .

Very good Rom. I used it for the last few hours and there is no major bug to find. The only thing that Wifi on/off doesnt work over the Comm Manager but it works fine with the system settings.
Youtube fast is in High definition !!!
Yeah and my Battery is still at 100%?!

itje said:
Touch-IT Black Topaz​
Some info:
Some difference in the manila is: No doc tab and no footprints. (probably can be added in future releases)
Also, this is manila 2.5 buildt for Topaz, witch has a smaller cpu. This means that speed has been improved, and weather animations are faster by default.
If you feel some features misses from my BL (leo based) that is natural, as this is all based from the topaz
-Os build 24001
-Office 2010
-Sense 2.5.20113030.0 with landscape support
-X-Task cooked in (Go here for support on X-Task)
-2G dialer (no videocall)
-New speed improvements
-Reg cleaning
-Opera 9.70.35758.0
-NetCF3.5
DOWNLOAD
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No support for italian language?

Salvestro said:
No support for italian language?
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This is an english windows, but u can change the keyboard settings to your language...

24001 has been updated with htc camera
also added build 23519 and 21890
check post #1 in this thread

gongoscho said:
@dreaminside, test this for sms:
grEEtZ,
gongoscho
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already tested , Everything r BIG . and after i tested for awhile it removed all my sms itself !

Worst situation ever.
After successful completion of installing process, I reboot device and it won't go forward but stick on date and time window. I can't change the date, I am able to change time but date won't even able to click.
Did hard reset twice, after and twice before flashing the room, same odd situation, I lost all my previous data etc and now even can't install this room. Going to download any other room and gonna flash, meanwhile, if some one can give me quick advise. Thanks

Does the Camera button show X1 camera or htc camera??????

mahharrouf said:
Worst situation ever.
After successful completion of installing process, I reboot device and it won't go forward but stick on date and time window. I can't change the date, I am able to change time but date won't even able to click.
Did hard reset twice, after and twice before flashing the room, same odd situation, I lost all my previous data etc and now even can't install this room. Going to download any other room and gonna flash, meanwhile, if some one can give me quick advise. Thanks
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this thing was happend to my first time flashed too , but after i did hard reset by using tiny hole then skip that process , it work fine. u can adjust date and time after complete flashing.

[ROM] [WWE] Typako v1.0 [WM6.1] [Lite] [no-panel] [no-manila]

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*** UPDATE 13 APR Ultralite Version uploaded ***
*** ATTENTION THE ULTRALITE ROM IS UNTESTED ***
Apologies, I really don't have spare time to flash and test this ROM. Normally, it should work fine, because I just removed some packages and files.
For the same reason (sort of time) I cannot provide any CABs. Everything you might need is here in XDA. Just search for it.
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This is a simple, lite, WM6.1, build 21051 ROM, no manila, no panels, with few extra apps that has been used for long by me.
I created this ROM for my personal use, but I have now decided to share it for people having the same taste as mine.
I am not a chef and I don’t have much spare time, so I might not be in position to give support, answer questions, make changes, new releases etc. Normally it wouldn’t be necessary. If you like it, most probably you’ll keep it for long. If you don’t, I can’t do anything for you.
My recipe:
Removed
Panels
Opera
Google earth
Trial games
Handagoo
Sample videos
SE Comm-manager
Added
HTC Comm-manager
HTC FM-Radio (**)
HTC Voice Rec (**)
HTC Enlarge Start Menu
HTC MP3trim (**)
HTC volume control (**)
HTC Youtube app (**)
HTC SMS threaded mode on-off (**)
HTC GPS tool (**)
SD User Customization
Advance Configuration Tool 3.3 (**)
Htorch (**)
PIM Backup (**)
No Data (**)
Pocket RAR (**)
Softreset
Synchrotime (**)
FDC Taskmanager (**)
Total Commander (**)
UCWEB6-63 (**)
R3A camera with autoflash
Tweaks for speed and stability
Packages marked with (**) are removed from Ultra-lite version along with pics, most ringtones and some themes.
Big thanks to all people who created all these crazy tools allowing us to build our own ROMs.
Special thanks to Jerpelea for providing the kitchen and sharing all his knowledge.
Download links
Normal Version 1.0 : http://rapidshare.com/files/317757034/Typako_21051_r3a_v1.0_nopanel_WWE_generic.rar
Ultralite Version 0.1 : http://rapidshare.com/files/375531191/Typako_WWE_Generic_21051_r3a_ultrlite_v0.1.rar
If you like my work, donate to XDA-Developers.

Downloading this now, will test this one next time I feel like a re-flash
Seems like quite the ultimate non-manila build with all one might need, will surely enjoy this one
Thanks for your work!
/Maddude

jack's v3.3
did u tried the jack's rom v3.3? is this better? i'm using the jack's rom now with the spb, whats the difference between? witch has the better performance?
thank u

is this rom also include office 2010?
thank you Typako, i'll keep an eye of your rom.

I want some lite and durable battery life, may be this ROM helpful.
Thank You.

maikonzinho said:
did u tried the jack's rom v3.3? is this better? i'm using the jack's rom now with the spb, whats the difference between? witch has the better performance?
thank u
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I had tried jack's 3.3 myself and it's excelent rom. I just wanted newer WM build and different mix of apps. I am not sure which one is performing better.

sLumPia said:
is this rom also include office 2010?
thank you Typako, i'll keep an eye of your rom.
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No sorry. Just the stock office that comes with WM-21051. Version 6.1 or so.

i'm using your rom right now (flash it last night)
it's not as lite as i thought, but it's okay, i'll use many of the pre-install application anyway.
i'm still not encounter any error with this rom yet
the performance is good, not as fast as norti nX1i 1.04 (my previous rom)
btw, how can you determine the page pool size of your rom? because i see that you use 12MB (half the nX1i's)
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i found a problem with hTorch.
As you know there 4 option on hTorch, LED on, LED on (very bright), LCD off, quit. option 3 very bright LED is not working.

sLumPia said:
i'm using your rom right now (flash it last night)
it's not as lite as i thought, but it's okay, i'll use many of the pre-install application anyway.
i'm still not encounter any error with this rom yet
the performance is good, not as fast as norti nX1i 1.04 (my previous rom)
btw, how can you determine the page pool size of your rom? because i see that you use 12MB (half the nX1i's)
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i found a problem with hTorch.
As you know there 4 option on hTorch, LED on, LED on (very bright), LCD off, quit. option 3 very bright LED is not working.
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Thanks for the feedback.
After some experiments I decided to set the PP size to 12 as a decent compromise between speed and available RAM.
You may change it with the "PagePoolChanger.exe" tool from this site, BEFORE flashing.
I know the htorch issue but I was thinking it's a sort of h/w incompatibility. It was the same with a cabed version I had tried. Have you ever seen this bright led working normally on xperia? If yes I will try updating this package and produce a new ROM next week.

Typako said:
Thanks for the feedback.
After some experiments I decided to set the PP size to 12 as a decent compromise between speed and available RAM.
You may change it with the "PagePoolChanger.exe" tool from this site, BEFORE flashing.
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i know about the pagepoolchanger.i'm only wondering how to determine the best pagepool size
Typako said:
I know the htorch issue but I was thinking it's a sort of h/w incompatibility. It was the same with a cabed version I had tried. Have you ever seen this bright led working normally on xperia? If yes I will try updating this package and produce a new ROM next week.
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i think i've seen it working on one of the roms i've try, but maybe it's just my imagination.
if you plan to cook a new version, could you making it smaller? maybe remove some themes or sounds?
also, i think your rom drain batt faster than nXi (sorry if i always compare yours with norti's, it's one of my favourite )
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1 what do think is the best keyboard? could you cook it in your rom and remove the default one? i don't think anybody use that small little kbd
2 could you assign the X panel button to something? as you remove the panel

I personally like the small stock keyboard. I find it very useful when I write with stylus cause all symbols are accessible without changing layouts.
For finger operation, I prefer fingerkeyb 2.1. There are many customized cabs for specific layouts, skins and languages. Most probably you wouldn't like my choice.
I assign the X-Pabel button with AE Button Plus, again from cab installer.
I have made SDConfig.txt file on my SDCard and I install all my cabs after flash or hard reset. You could possibly do the same if you flash your phone frequently. No, I cannot provide my own, cause it contains personal settings and files, commercial s/w cabs and licenses etc.
I could possibly build an ultra-lite version next week. No apps, no sounds, no themes no nothing. It would be easy for me and maybe useful for some people.

that would be nice. but please provide cabs for some of the apps

Sounds really useful, that would be great of you Running your Rom now, works like a charm
Thank you!

Ultralite version uploaded
Ultralite version uploaded.
1st post updated.
Please notice that the new rom is untested - no spare time. If you test it please give feedback here.
Thanks

I'll try your new rom later.
can't flash my phone right now
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i just had SoD with your previous rom. I had that SoD after using Garmin (exit Garmin and turn off the LCD)

It can't be downloaded [email protected]@

Stock 2.07.401.1 ROM trimmed to Lite

Hello everyone,
OK, here is my first go at ROM cooking.
I was looking for a very basic ROM with only must-have applications inside, so that I can later install the software I *do* use. Eventually I gave up, as all the ROMs and even the Lite'est ones had too much features / utilities. I thought I would then take the latest official ROM available (for stability purpose) and trim it down to minimum elements (for size reduction).
Herewith is what I ended up with:
http://rapidshare.com/files/3829100....25.91_Signed_Ship_trimmed_by_aziraphale_.rar
This in no way can be called a "cooked" ROM, I still know nothing about cooking, but it is a heavily trimmed stock ROM, created by the use of RhodiumKitchen_0.1, found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=560519.
Thanks Dave for this Tutorial and all the credits go to respective tools' developers.
How to install:
- unrar
- connect with ActiveSync (or loader in USB mode)
(goes without saying Your device must be Hard-SPL'd or modified any other way to allow ROM flashing - search the forum)
- execute RomUpdateUtility.exe
There are some residual unnecessary and/or invalid shortcuts in the Start Menu,
as well as some empty folders, I manually removed them by the use of EveryWAN personal edition - it's free and it's easy to use.
The OS is 6.5 b21887
I have trimmed the following from the stock ROM:
HTC applications:
- appointment editor
- clear storage (can do Hard reset in normal way)
- facebook / engine
- format SD (can't a PC do that?)
- CoPilot + install path folder (I use TomTom)
- birthday
- bookmark
- messaging client (hate it)
- jblend
- jetcet
- manila all
- opera (when You install newer version You end up with 2 )
- sliding sounds
- social networks engine
- streaming media
- tv out
- youtube
- volume control
- google maps (same as with opera)
- setting improvement
- text selection
- wifi wizard
- browser snapshot
- ie6 enhancement
- world card mobile (BCR)
- rss hub
System:
- live search
- wm widgets
- win live
- welcome center
- transcriber
- skymarket
- one note
- remote desktop
- themes except Rock and Republic
- my phone (skybox)
- livesearch
I do not expect this to become very useful to most of the forum visitors/members, but perhaps there is someone out there who have not found his/her way around to make ROMs him(her)self yet, but would like to get the very basic ROM with no extras.

Very hard to define "must have" apps. I personally prefer WM6.1 over WM6.5. Bad thing is you can't install every app\functionality by using CAB's. Otherwise you could create a ROM of around 40MB. Mine is currently ~70MB and is just great for my personal use.
Might be handy to add to the first post that your ROM is actually a WM6.5 ROM
Good luck on the cooking!

mccune said:
Very hard to define "must have" apps. I personally prefer WM6.1 over WM6.5. Bad thing is you can't install every app\functionality by using CAB's. Otherwise you could create a ROM of around 40MB. Mine is currently ~70MB and is just great for my personal use.
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You said it yourself - the "must-have" are the ones that can not be added by .cabs and will compromise phone functionality (like the HTC dialer skin will enable video calls, thus must stay)
mccune said:
Might be handy to add to the first post that your ROM is actually a WM6.5 ROM
Good luck on the cooking!
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the "2.07.401.1" implies 6.5, but added to description anyway, thanks

Good effort dude I did much the same a month or so ago with an amalgamation of Ervius Visual Kitchen (so easy) and JoshKoss kitchen. Didn't go as savage on the removal of stuff though, main objective was to get rid of the HTC Messaging
Just tried May 1st 23xxx EnergyROM with MaxManila but it cuts off MP3 playback in standby (a big no-no for me) and hung once already while texting MaxManila is nice though, and the Facebook tab is good. I usually stick to 21xxx but I must say 23xxx is growing on me with the latest build. Gonna try Cell Pro next.
I like the latest stuff but keeping up with it all is a nightmare if you're cooking. Wouldn't mind the latest 2.5 Manila packages and latest 21xxx / 23xxx SYS, also would try cooking in MaxManila, and I never managed to cook in "mark all as read" for emails properly. Need to learn how to hack on Manila. Also I forgot to cook in a task manager haha Ameba is quite nice on the latest EnergyROM. I definitely get the "why cook it in if you can get it from Marketplace / OMarket and auto update it" though, totally with you on that one instead of flashing a new ROM every week. I usually flash a new one every month or so, once I find one I like. But for the last month or so I've been running my own. It wasn't the fastest ROM ever though
It's a lot of work to make a decent ROM, and it's finding the time innit. I'm a big fan of JoshKoss but he hasn't released anything in a while
Anyway good effort dude the more the merrier I say

Also just a quick note I did get the Standby Of Death a couple of times on my cooked ROM. Very rare but still. No idea why. Don't know if it happens with the stock ROM or not.
Would like to know how to totally remove HTC messaging, sometimes when texting via Manila it would still give the conversation view which runs like a dog when you have 4,800 messages hehe
And the speakerphone sometimes screwed up - I could hear the other party but they couldn't hear me.

MadBeef said:
Also just a quick note I did get the Standby Of Death a couple of times on my cooked ROM. Very rare but still. No idea why. Don't know if it happens with the stock ROM or not.
Would like to know how to totally remove HTC messaging, sometimes when texting via Manila it would still give the conversation view which runs like a dog when you have 4,800 messages hehe
And the speakerphone sometimes screwed up - I could hear the other party but they couldn't hear me.
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Before going through the trouble of surgically removing the rudimentary software myself, I have tried a few "professionally" (read: respect, not sarcasm) cooked Energy and Leo ROMs, most of them VERY recent, but I found them SOOO packed with tweaks and features, that it would take me ages just to discover all the extras. I am more on the simplier side, don't fix something which is not broken, but I just HATE Manila (expect a lot of angry protestors here) and I am not big fan of HTC customisations either. Hence was this ROM done and I am so far rather happy with it.
There is no sign of HTC messaging which I can find, and I can install and use only necessary (for me) bits of software.
For "mark all as read" there is a really good .cab on the forum, called "safeboxextender", it works like a charm and I don't mind having to install it separately (i.e. not. cooked-in).
Having come from 1.86 ROM to 2.07 I do notice that device keeps hanging even without being put to sleep, but I can not figure out the dependency yet (I mean so far it looks rather random).

Aziraphale_l said:
Before going through the trouble of surgically removing the rudimentary software myself, I have tried a few "professionally" cooked Energy and Leo ROMs, most of them VERY recent, but I found them SOOO packed with tweaks and features, that it would take me ages just to discover all the extras.
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Yeah me too, those guys have spent probably 100's if not 1000's of hours on learning this stuff, then putting it together in a manner that pleases a lot of different people. Major kudos. I sometimes get the feeling though particularly with chefs who release almost every day, for a number of different devices, that the care and testing leaves something to be desired. Quite often more does not = better as you know
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I am more on the simplier side, don't fix something which is not broken, but I just HATE Manila (expect a lot of angry protestors here) and I am not big fan of HTC customisations either.
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Yeah fair enough mate although I am a big fan of Manila 2.5 and MaxManila is quite nice
Aziraphale_l said:
For "mark all as read" there is a really good .cab on the forum, called "safeboxextender", it works like a charm and I don't mind having to install it separately (i.e. not. cooked-in).
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Yeah I tried converting that to an EXT and cooking it in but it didn't work I know it can be done though cos a lot of ROMs have it built in. To be honest I don't really have enough time anymore to dedicate to my own ROM so I'm trying out a few others.
Aziraphale_l said:
Having come from 1.86 ROM to 2.07 I do notice that device keeps hanging even without being put to sleep, but I can not figure out the dependency yet (I mean so far it looks rather random).
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It's weird ... Mine's never hung while running but I've had the SOD two or three times. More research required, until then just stick the pen up it's arse haha

Could you release an additional version with a later build SYS (ie: 23XXX or 28XXX)? A lot of people use 6.5.5 or 6.5.3 and there are no Lite options for those later builds.

thesecondsfade said:
Could you release an additional version with a later build SYS (ie: 23XXX or 28XXX)? A lot of people use 6.5.5 or 6.5.3 and there are no Lite options for those later builds.
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i'd love to, but....
as i said i am no cook and i only did it for myself and cared enough to share with anyone who'd love to have it "as is".
also, see the respective later-release ROM threads to see how many bugs are there still and ROM-cooking gurus are eliminating them one by one and it's a long and painstaking process. i have neither time, nor ability to do that.
so i guess this is as much as i can do so far.

I've been using the ROM for a few days now and it is great. Everything works perfect. Bluetooth, tethering, wifi, data connections; it all works great with no bugs Thanks for sharring. I love a clean ROM.

jamespaulritter said:
I've been using the ROM for a few days now and it is great. Everything works perfect. Bluetooth, tethering, wifi, data connections; it all works great with no bugs Thanks for sharring. I love a clean ROM.
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very good!

Well I think I have ran the gamet of tezts and this ROM is perfect. It is fast and stable trimmed down well but still offering everything a user needs. I am on AT&T in the states and it works perfect. The only thing I cant figure out is how do I shut of the vibration when using the on screen key board? And can I add a picture mail program to my device? Would it function properly and could you recommend one?

jamespaulritter said:
...how do I shut of the vibration when using the on screen key board?
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that would be by manually editing registry key:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\OEM\TFLOSettings]
"ApVibrationOn"=dword:00000000
it is 1 by default, change it to 0 and you are all set
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And can I add a picture mail program to my device? Would it function properly and could you recommend one?
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this here i am not sure what you mean?
whatever you add (install) SHOULD function properly, if it would have on a stock ROM,
as i have not made any changes to remaining ROM bits
edit: if you open Albums and select any picture You want, it will open in full screen, tap it, and 4 icon menu comes up, 3rd from the left with 2 arrows > tap this one and there is an option *mail*.
select the account (i would use email) and voila! is that what you were looking for?

Thanks Aziraphale_l I was talking about MMS. I want to send and receive picture mail with text messaging. Right now I cant send or recieve pictures except with email. But of course my friends do not have pda phones so we use MMS picture mail.
I was guessing this is what you said you removed. I looked for arcsoft for 6.5 and I see that HTC is now using "HTC Message" so I will go look for that. Thanks again.

Maybe this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624375
With these settings from the same thread.
Server Name: Cingular MMS
Gateway: wireless.cingular.com
Port:80
Server address: http://mmsc.cingular.com
Connect via: Media Net
Send Limit: 300k
Wap Version: 2.0
I'll try to send an MMS tomorrow.

jamespaulritter said:
Thanks Aziraphale_l I was talking about MMS. I want to send and receive picture mail with text messaging. Right now I cant send or recieve pictures except with email. But of course my friends do not have pda phones so we use MMS picture mail.
I was guessing this is what you said you removed. I looked for arcsoft for 6.5 and I see that HTC is now using "HTC Message" so I will go look for that. Thanks again.
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HTC messaging, which I understand handles MMS functionality in our devices, has evolved into... well, something I did not like any more, so it had to go.
I personally don't use MMS, so it is no big deal for me.
Your ArcSoft link below - I see no reason why it will not work, give it a try? You can then share Your findings with the rest of us.

P.S. Battery life on this ROM is the best I have ever seen!
I have tried a dozen ROMs and I usually stick with them for a month or so I guess. They are either lite with bugs or heavy with eye candy and bugs. So far I haven't had a single issue with yours. I think many developers get in to much of a hurry. I appreciate the great job you did on this.
I notice today that to get from one task to another, one program to another or one event to another I use fewer steps because everything is simple and functional. Thanks again.

I cooked in Arcsoft_MMS_5_2_8_45 on mine, after pulling out HTC Messaging, if I remember rightly it worked but it's very rare I use MMS anyway. If you install it afterwards, re-run carrier provisioning (or whatever it's called ... where it sets up your network settings automatically) and it should configure Arcsoft for ya.
Right now I'm running EnergyROM 23xxx from 1st of May but battery is suffering and it crashes a bit, not mega fast either. It is a nice flashy ROM tho I used to hate 23xxx and much prefer 21xxx but lately I'm kinda undecided.

Thanks for the haptic feedback registry edit; works great.

Also with regard to cooking in SafeInboxExtender look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=677105

[TMOUS]wwe|sept 4 2010|stock 2.13~lite~platinum|online|

Hi All!
This is a stock 2.13 Tmobile Usa Rom that I created with Nibbley15's help. It fixes the unsensitive touchscreen for those who had this issue by using the touch drivers from the 2.10 rom. Please post your experiences. You need to HARDSPL your phone before flashing. I am not responsible for any bricked phones. I have tested this rom and it is 100% working on my hd2.
The only way to completely fix the touchscreen sensitivity is to install this rom because you cannot edit the drivers while you are using the rom. It is like changing the tires on a moving car ...wont work out.
**MAKE SURE TO HARDSPL YOUR PHONE BEFORE FLASHING** Read how to do it here.
This Rom will come in three versions-Regular, Platinum, and Lite. The regular rom is the stock Tmobile 2.13 Rom with only 2.10 rom touch drivers added and some tweaks for stability. The Lite version is the stock Tmobile 2.13 rom with 2.10 touch drivers and most unneeded preloaded software removed. Here is a list below for the changes in it:
remove blockbuster, bnereader, mobitv, slacker radio, telenav, stock games (demos)
replace htc messaging with two different versions (thanks to G-ThGraf and Pyrorob)
update Microsoft MyPhone
replace stock compass with dutty's compass (same thing as stock...just the set destination feature in the international hd2 added)
I will give a link to download all the cabs for most of the stuff I remove in case someone wants some of the software.
I recommend using this tool to backup all your contacts, texts, etc...I DO NOT recommend using tools such as spb backup because they tend to backup the registry and core system files that may have bugs as well
If you would like even more sensitivity or are still having problems, then download zim's touchscreen cab, install and soft reset. Works like a charm. Here is the link: Touchscreen Cab
**REGULAR ROM**
The link to the regular rom is here:
http://hotfile.com/dl/49273353/743b7b7/2.13_rom_with_2.10_drivers.nbh.html
***UPDATE 07/09/2010-Regular rom with cfc compression for speed and 2016 messaging client***
you can download this rom here
**LITE VERSION**
The link for the lite version with 2018 messaging is here.
Some users have reported bugs with the messaging client in the 2018 messaging rom. Your experience may be different but its just a heads up
The link for the lite version with regular messaging is here.
This rom has been tested and it is 100% working.
**Platinum Version**
This rom can be found here.
Heres what was changed:
removed tmobile stock unneeded apps.
added palringo im
added vibrate configurator (thanks earth jumper)
added cht 1.8.5 (thanks Co0kieMonster)
added 2016 messaging client (thanks G-ThGraf)
added 3d driver set for performance (thanks chainfire)
added bsb tweaks (thanks makeveral)
added dutys task manager
added backlight toggle (thanks react)
changed default lockscreen layout (thanks JayceOoi)
changed dialer (thanks akira99)
changed taskbar (thanks dafunk2)
changed icon looks (thanks Lechux)
updated Microsoft MyPhone
4 Column Start Menu
Added Registry Editor
added custom keyboard (thanks dafunk2)
Compressed rom with cfc compression for added speed and performance
Removed all languages except English to save space
Screenshots of this rom are below.
many thanks to our community here at xda and elracing21 for helping me with ideas for this rom
**I have only added tweaks for stability and a couple of tweaks for speed. This is because some users are reporting lots of bugs with the registry tweaks pre applied. I have included a registry editor in the rom and here are a few links for tweaks that I normally used on my hd2. they really maximize battery life and give amazing performance ...see what works for you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=629388
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=585729
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**if when you start it up for the first time, the quicklinks on the home screen have dead icons, then this is not a problem. Just remove the quicklinks and everything should be fine. This issue should be fixed in the next version I release. still working on it **
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You will need the Rom Update Utility found here.
I also recommend using the 2.10.50.19 or the 2.12.50.02 radio for optimal battery life. They can be found in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=669733&page=11this thread. Just click the link in the first post on that page.
**Remember that if you have a TMOUS HD2, only flash radios that are xx.xx.50.xx. The xx.xx.51.xx radios are not compatible will probably brick your phone**
Please perform a hard reset after flashing.
This is my first time ever working on a rom...so please leave some feedback
Cabs for stock software that was removed in the lite and platinum can be found here.

If you would like another rom like this with unneeded programs stripped out, please post below.
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Hi I'll be trying this rom on thursday, been too busy at work up until now but I would gladly love to have a stock rom w/o uneeded apps and programs that just take up memory and storage space. As long as you dont get rid of the goodies.
You should probably list down the apps and programs you wish to delete on your next rom so the community could give some input.
Just my opinion. Good job tho, will post my feedback for your rom soon.

Thanks for taking the time to make this. I think I'll probably end up waiting for the stock 2.13 version with the extra T-Mo crapware stripped out.
Some suggestions for stuff to strip out/change:
- Cook in the older 2.10 touch drivers for smoother scrolling (already done)
- Replace stock digital compass with Dutty's version (this one includes the "set location" button)
- Remove Blockbuster
- Remove Telenav
- Remove paid games like Ferrari, Millionaire, Guitar Hero, Prince of Persia
- Leave Transformers in since the app itself so tiny
- Cook in new HTC Messaging 2015 or 2016. See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=700495
- Replace old version of MyPhone with the new one
- Replace old version of Marketplace with the new one
- Remove Barnes and Noble (or keep it if enough people want it)
- Remove MobiTV
- Cook in Cookie's home tab (or maybe by doing things like this we're moving away from the stock idea, up to you)
We can all collectively expand/trim down this list as needed, but this should be a pretty good start hopefully

the7thson said:
Thanks for taking the time to make this. I think I'll probably end up waiting for the stock 2.13 version with the extra T-Mo crapware stripped out.
Some suggestions for stuff to strip out/change:
- Cook in the older 2.10 touch drivers for smoother scrolling (already done)
- Replace stock digital compass with Dutty's version (this one includes the "set location" button)
- Remove Blockbuster
- Remove Telenav
- Remove paid games like Ferrari, Millionaire, Guitar Hero, Prince of Persia
- Leave Transformers in since the app itself so tiny
- Cook in new HTC Messaging 2015 or 2016. See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=700495
- Replace old version of MyPhone with the new one
- Replace old version of Marketplace with the new one
- Remove Barnes and Noble (or keep it if enough people want it)
- Remove MobiTV
- Cook in Cookie's home tab (or maybe by doing things like this we're moving away from the stock idea, up to you)
We can all collectively expand/trim down this list as needed, but this should be a pretty good start hopefully
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Everything you just said can go but i actually use mobitv
I do love the new messaging 2015 or 2016

elracing21 said:
Everything you just said can go but i actually use mobitv
I do love the new messaging 2015 or 2016
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Yeah the new messaging is great for sure, amazing improvement over the stock one.
Btw I think there's a cab for mobitv floating around so it could easily be installed afterwards, I would imagine most people don't use it. But it's your ROM of course, so include it if you like
I'm really looking forward to this ROM!!

This sounds exactly like the ROM I cooked for my wife. I put the old driver from a previous ROM, removed the crapware and added a few tweaks.

toadlife said:
This sounds exactly like the ROM I cooked for my wife. I put the old driver from a previous ROM, removed the crapware and added a few tweaks.
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Care to share?

shehrammajid said:
If you would like another rom like this with unneeded programs stripped out, please post below.
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IMHO we already have alot of those
I like your original idea. taking the old touch screen driver and putting it into a new stock rom

I've installed and am testing this ROM now. I've used just about all of them, but I am coming from 2.10.531.1 this time.
Right now touch sensitivity seems identical to 2.10. I will report back.

the7thson said:
Care to share?
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Why not.
I've uploaded the ROM to my site.
http://xda.toadlife.net/ROMs/HD2/
Would you like the Kitchen too? (That will take a little longer to upload)

shehrammajid said:
Hi All!
This is my first time ever working on a rom...so please leave some feedback
If you would like another rom like this with unneeded programs stripped out, please post below.
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Dude I've been wating for this for a long time. I've tested so many roms without the crapware but none close to stock. I know this is your rom and you are doing the actual work. But I do have some suggestions. This would be my dream rom . Here goes.
Remove These Apps:-
Blockbuster (cab is available)
Transformer (cab is available)
Barnes and Nobles (cab is available)
MobiTv (cab is available)
Ferrari GT (Demo)
Millionaire 2010 (Demo)
MobiTV (Demo)
Prince of Persia (Demo)
Slacker Radio (cab is available)
Telenav (Subscription Based)
Tetris (Demo)
Transformers (cab is available)
Thats just my wish but cant wait to see what you do. Im sure its going to be nice.

if this is bug free i will definitly switch to this.
1: if you make a stripped version, are you going to get rid of vvm and gmaps, those i find very useful. also mobitv since i would like the option to use it if i need to.
2: are the touch drivers the only thing you change so far? everything else is the stock?

Can u pls share the ext package list with versions?
Pls do write abt the software that u've removed n icluded... n waht ur future plans for upgrade are....

toadlife said:
Why not.
I've uploaded the ROM to my site.
http://toadlife.net/stuff/forum_stuff/XDA/ROMs/HD2/
Would you like the Kitchen too? (That will take a little longer to upload)
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Nice one, thank you!! I will be giving this a run in the next couple days hopefully, cheers!

SSorry for the late response guys...been kinda busy...anyway I am probably going to remove all of the apps that have cabs to reinstall them. If it doesn't have a cab, then it will stay. I'm gonna put all the cabs for the stuff I remove in a zip file and make it part of the download for those who wish to keep some of the software...that way everyone will be happy
Rick Chase said:
if this is bug free i will definitly switch to this.
1: if you make a stripped version, are you going to get rid of vvm and gmaps, those i find very useful. also mobitv since i would like the option to use it if i need to.
2: are the touch drivers the only thing you change so far? everything else is the stock?
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1)Google maps I'm not going to get rid as I'm sure many people use it. Whats vvm?
2)Yes, so far I only changed the touch drivers.
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Pls do write abt the software that u've removed n icluded... n waht ur future plans for upgrade are....
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I'll make a list sometime today and post. I just need to find out which apps have cabs in case someone wants to reinstall them. Future upgrade will depend on what the community wants...but I do plan on making future roms that are more stable and have some registry tweaks to boost performance
I can probably get this rom out some time in the next couple of days if I find a good backup software for all my sms's so I can test the rom...any ideas ppl?

shehrammajid said:
SSorry for the late response guys...been kinda busy...anyway I am probably going to remove all of the apps that have cabs to reinstall them. If it doesn't have a cab, then it will stay. I'm gonna put all the cabs for the stuff I remove in a zip file and make it part of the download for those who wish to keep some of the software...that way everyone will be happy
1)Google maps I'm not going to get rid as I'm sure many people use it. Whats vvm?
2)Yes, so far I only changed the touch drivers.
I'll make a list sometime today and post. I just need to find out which apps have cabs in case someone wants to reinstall them. Future upgrade will depend on what the community wants...but I do plan on making future roms that are more stable and have some registry tweaks to boost performance
I can probably get this rom out some time in the next couple of days if I find a good backup software for all my sms's so I can test the rom...any ideas ppl?
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VVM=Visual Voice Mail (You will find it in your kitchen listed as: VVM_1_1_1_0_15_01)
SMS Backup= Use PIM Backup

I've had this ROM installed for about a day now. This morning I also upgraded to CHT1.8.5. I have yet to experience a single hiccup. Everything is extremely smooth as far as touch and scrolling is concerned. I just installed it on my wifes phone and will continue to report back with issues if I can find any.
Well done, and thank you very much for creating this rom!

xanderdad said:
I've had this ROM installed for about a day now. This morning I also upgraded to CHT1.8.5. I have yet to experience a single hiccup. Everything is extremely smooth as far as touch and scrolling is concerned. I just installed it on my wifes phone and will continue to report back with issues if I can find any.
Well done, and thank you very much for creating this rom!
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Thanks for taking the time to provide this feedback, keep it coming!

Nibbley15 said:
VVM=Visual Voice Mail (You will find it in your kitchen listed as: VVM_1_1_1_0_15_01)
SMS Backup= Use PIM Backup
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Thanks...as for visual voicemail...probably will stay as its an app that is specific by tmobile to help with managing voicemail. same thing with the my account app.
I'll try to get the rom up before the end of tomorrow. If not, then by tuesday for sure.

So far, here is what I thought about changing in the new rom:
remove blockbuster, bnereader, mobitv, slacker radio, telenav, stock games (demos)
replace htc messaging 2012 with 2015 messaging. (newer version with more features)
replace stock compass with dutty's compass
I will give a link to download all the cabs for most of the stuff I remove in case someone wants some of the software.
lol...i just used everyones ideas here on this thread...I already have the rom I want and am only creating this one for the community so its going to be built according to what everyone wants ..anything else you might want to change?