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Anyone else own/owned a iPhone before owning the G1?

Ok, to start this off, I don't want to sound like a fanboy. In all reality, the whole reason I switched to the G1 from a 3G iPhone was because of all of Apple's shaddy practices with releasing new firmware / new phones. Anyway, my question to those of you that have owned both is this: do you really love your G1 as much as you did your iPhone. Now, don't flame me for the way I asked this, and I will support what I say here.
My first, biggest problem, with the G1 was no native Exchange support. That was almost a deal breaker for me on the first day. I did not want to have to pay to have support for business applications that should be included on a smart phone in this day and age. And, to those of you that had an iPhone, you probably already know that it's really nice that all of your contacts sync with your Exchange server. Imagine my surprise when I stuck my sim card into the G1 and only had my contacts from the last phone that utilized saving contacts to the sim. Major disappointment!
2nd problem with the G1 is the lack of a well organized app store. How many times have you searched for a specific application, and came up with nothing, but if you change that search query to become a little more complete, all of a sudden you get a hit. (Ex. searching for weather and then searching for weather widget. (this isn't an exact example, just an example))
3rd problem is, the iPhone is way more responsive. Yes, I know you can install other roms that are better optimized, but the deal is, it's been well over a year and most of these issues should have been ironed out. I had my iPhone completely unlocked and jailbroken, with background support, etc, and still got way less force closes and whatnot then the G1.
I could go on with more issues, but I'm sure I'm just beating a dead horse. Now, don't get me wrong, I've been running Slackware Linux since version 7 and many other distros before and after that. I've got OSX Leopard on my Gateway laptop just for the fun of it. I buy game consoles for the sole reason of figuring out to hack them, play with it for a couple of months, and then sell it off to a buddy. I'm no stranger to modifying code and troubleshooting things. I just kinda see the whole Android movement kinda flawed.
So, now I'm at a decision point. I've got about 4 days left on my buyer's remorse period and not sure if I should stick with the G1 or go back to my iPhone and deal with the crappy battery, and the giant hassles it is to deal with Apple. Or, on the other hand, I can stick with the G1 and ride out the bumpiness of the OS until all is well. Has anyone else been against this decision and maybe gone back to the iPhone and regretted it? Just looking for other people's insight. I know that it all boils down to personal preference, but anyone who wants to flame / offer suggestions / etc. it'd be much appreciated.

Hi,
I intend getting a G1 this month, so this post is an interesting one to me. I have been using a HTC Universal for years now and I recon it is time for me and it to part. its been an ace PDA and some parts of it are still ahead of its time, but stuff like a good camera and GPS are missed. Now with windows mobile it is easy to get a program (APP) for what you want but you need to search the net of different companies and most times you have to load it from your PC. The Iphone was another choice for me but I felt 3G in this day is a bit pants, the universal has that! and the battery life is not good. So if you want my penny worth I would stick with the G1, even if it was only for the battery situation. Plus with all these roms to use and speed things up. Great I recon.
Regards
Jay
these are the ramblings of a person who hasn't even got a G1 yet LOL

chesh420 said:
Ok, to start this off, I don't want to sound like a fanboy. In all reality, the whole reason I switched to the G1 from a 3G iPhone was because of all of Apple's shaddy practices with releasing new firmware / new phones. Anyway, my question to those of you that have owned both is this: do you really love your G1 as much as you did your iPhone. Now, don't flame me for the way I asked this, and I will support what I say here.
My first, biggest problem, with the G1 was no native Exchange support. That was almost a deal breaker for me on the first day. I did not want to have to pay to have support for business applications that should be included on a smart phone in this day and age. And, to those of you that had an iPhone, you probably already know that it's really nice that all of your contacts sync with your Exchange server. Imagine my surprise when I stuck my sim card into the G1 and only had my contacts from the last phone that utilized saving contacts to the sim. Major disappointment!
2nd problem with the G1 is the lack of a well organized app store. How many times have you searched for a specific application, and came up with nothing, but if you change that search query to become a little more complete, all of a sudden you get a hit. (Ex. searching for weather and then searching for weather widget. (this isn't an exact example, just an example))
3rd problem is, the iPhone is way more responsive. Yes, I know you can install other roms that are better optimized, but the deal is, it's been well over a year and most of these issues should have been ironed out. I had my iPhone completely unlocked and jailbroken, with background support, etc, and still got way less force closes and whatnot then the G1.
I could go on with more issues, but I'm sure I'm just beating a dead horse. Now, don't get me wrong, I've been running Slackware Linux since version 7 and many other distros before and after that. I've got OSX Leopard on my Gateway laptop just for the fun of it. I buy game consoles for the sole reason of figuring out to hack them, play with it for a couple of months, and then sell it off to a buddy. I'm no stranger to modifying code and troubleshooting things. I just kinda see the whole Android movement kinda flawed.
So, now I'm at a decision point. I've got about 4 days left on my buyer's remorse period and not sure if I should stick with the G1 or go back to my iPhone and deal with the crappy battery, and the giant hassles it is to deal with Apple. Or, on the other hand, I can stick with the G1 and ride out the bumpiness of the OS until all is well. Has anyone else been against this decision and maybe gone back to the iPhone and regretted it? Just looking for other people's insight. I know that it all boils down to personal preference, but anyone who wants to flame / offer suggestions / etc. it'd be much appreciated.
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What he said. We've added Exchange support to many ROMs at this point. Most ROMs are extremely responsive (try cyanogen's or MyTouchv1.0 by cc or any of the ION ROMs for that matter). Most of the time, just updating the ROM will fix many of the FC problems you're having.
Like you said, it all comes down to personal preference, but much of your problems seem to have been addressed with the custom ROMs, you should try them out before you run out of time to return it. If it comes down you not liking it, you can always unroot and no one would be the wiser when you returned it.
The Market problem is the only one I still have with the phone (and I'm using JACHero too ). I can't really search for an app unless I know exactly what its called, but the Market works, and does its job, just a little unrefined (remember, the G1 has only been out for a little while compared to the iPhone, we'll eventually catch up).
I know that these problems should have been addressed by HTC or Google already, but because they're slow, we've done what we could with what we've had, and its worked out pretty well for us. Regardless, even if they released a fast, bug free ROM, you can bet your ass that the cooks at xda will make it better.

I had a 2G iPhone before I bought my G1, and I'm so glad I did. Mainly because of 3G and GPS, but also because of Apple's firm grip over what the device could do.
1) I've always used gmail, so no problems there, but hey, I'm no business user.
2) Yeah market search sucks big time, which is more than ironic coming from google, but it's not something that annoys me too much.
3)Can't relate to your experiences with crashes. I had jailbroken and tried using the backgrounder app. It was useless, the phone would constantly run out of memory and start killing my IM app (without my knowledge) and Lastfm. I've only ever had force closes on Hero, but on Haykuro 6.0 (magic port) I haven't gotten a single one.
There are ROM's with Exchange support (eg the non-rosie Hero ROMs) and third party apps. I'm sure google will update the market in 2.0 (donut) because surely they must know how bad it is. Not really sure what to suggest with FC's, just try out different ROMs?

The rogers roms are very fast and stable G1 ROM's.... and they have FULL exchange support built in - syncs calendar/email/contacts via exchange... The hero roms do as well but that won't be your cup of tea.
Get Ravenges Rogers ROM -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524074
I use exchange extensively with hero and rogers roms and it works really, really well. You have a lot of control over it and functionality is spot on.
Get the Rogers ROM as it's basically made for G1 hardware, so everything works and it's fast and responsive. T-Mobile is the reason for such crappy exchange support - as HTC based ROMs have been supporting it fully for quite some time now.
p.s. - Google Voice on this phone is BAD ASS. I love the toggle icon as well, i can turn google voice on with 1 press, make a call via my GV phone #, then turn it back off and be back on my regular cell instantly... LOVE IT.

Well, I've been using JACHero since 2.6.0 and it hasn't been bad. Rosie is a little unresponsive, but once JACHero came out with 2.7 and added Launcher back in, I just switched to JACHero 2.72 Full w/ Launcher instead of TouchFLO. It's definatly faster and I do have my Exchange support which is good. It also now syncs my contacts from the Exchange server which is nice too. I dunno, on one hand you have Apple's death grip over the phone and it's OS and on the other hand you have Google with it's hand in every one of your pockets. Which is a bigger burden? The company that locks you into how they do things, or the company that lets you do what you want, but wants to know everything about it.
Apple's appstore just hit 1yr old. I know the Android market isn't quite that old yet, so we have some things to wait for. Everything is just kinda buggy. I dunno. It's really just a waiting game really to see how great Android can possibly be. Here's another part of my decision that I didn't mention. When I got the G1, I still had 6 months left till my official upgrade. I ended up shelling out $350 for the phone. I still have my iPhone 3g and could probably sell it to cover this cost without a problem on eBAY. Knowing this, would you return the phone now and get back the $350, stay with the iPhone until I have the upgrade, and then picking up the G1 (or maybe another android) in Feb when it would only cost me $99? Decisions, decisions.....

vr24 said:
The rogers roms are very fast and stable G1 ROM's.... and they have FULL exchange support built in - syncs calendar/email/contacts via exchange... The hero roms do as well but that won't be your cup of tea.
Get Ravenges Rogers ROM -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524074
I use exchange extensively with hero and rogers roms and it works really, really well. You have a lot of control over it and functionality is spot on.
Get the Rogers ROM as it's basically made for G1 hardware, so everything works and it's fast and responsive. T-Mobile is the reason for such crappy exchange support - as HTC based ROMs have been supporting it fully for quite some time now.
p.s. - Google Voice on this phone is BAD ASS. I love the toggle icon as well, i can turn google voice on with 1 press, make a call via my GV phone #, then turn it back off and be back on my regular cell instantly... LOVE IT.
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I haven't looked at the Rogers ROM due to such an old build date (LOL, it's only a couple of weeks I know). But, as I've turned off everything that makes the Hero rom, Hero, I don't think it would hurt to switch. The only thing that I see would change is no flash support, which is mostly broken anyway (well, maybe not broken, just not as useful as everyone thought).
If I was to try out that Rodgers rom, would I just need to wipe and reflash as I'm coming from JACHero 2.7.2? I've already got my SD card all partitioned up with fat32, ext3, linux-swap.

How well does flash support in the browsers on these roms work? as I understand it, not all browsers in these roms include flash support. In WM 6.0 we were kind of spoilt, as we had a browser called skyfire. It was very good at flash playing and rendered the page as on a desktop pc with a zoom option.

Well, you can see flash animations on ign.com, but on sites like youtube and hulu, don't even count on anything loading (I know there's a huge difference in the Flash content, but just an example). I've used skyfire on my Shadow (phone I had before the iPhone) and it was pretty good back in it's initial alpha/beta stages. The browsers just work. And, as it's built off of Webkit, I'm pretty familar with it (same browser backbone as the iPhone). So, in other words, flash is there, just don't count on it working on everything

So is there a stand alone YouTube player for this OS then? I kind of remembering seeing there is? if so is it any good? Funny you saying about the Alpha, Beta of skyfire, coz I thought the beta was better than the latest release.

chesh420 said:
I haven't looked at the Rogers ROM due to such an old build date (LOL, it's only a couple of weeks I know). But, as I've turned off everything that makes the Hero rom, Hero, I don't think it would hurt to switch. The only thing that I see would change is no flash support, which is mostly broken anyway (well, maybe not broken, just not as useful as everyone thought).
If I was to try out that Rodgers rom, would I just need to wipe and reflash as I'm coming from JACHero 2.7.2? I've already got my SD card all partitioned up with fat32, ext3, linux-swap.
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If Hero is running good for you, then stick with it. Rogers is like Hero without the Widgets, Flash, Gallery, etc... it has the HTC (Hero) Dialer and Exchange and for the most part is like a cupcake build. If I'm not on Hero, I definitely prefer it.
As for wiping, I would say you probably have to wipe and format the ext3 partition, which is easy. But you'll have to reload all your apps.
Right now I'm on JACHero 2.7.3 and it's running really well for me, very responsive, but I was on Rogers for 2 months before that.

I never really liked Skyfire too much. It was just OK. I prefer the G1 web browsing, especially with the HTC Browser (Hero/Rogers) and multi-touch.
The flash is overrated, nothing special. It'll load things like flash banners and minor flash pieces just fine. Don't expect to stream flash video, games, or full blown flash websites.
Stand alone youtube player works great.

I have the Iphone 2G and the G1...For awhile i would switch back and forth...missing the last phone for a few hours then enjoying whichever i was using. The Iphone on TMobile service sucked as a phone but was quite the entertaining piece...the G1 lacks in 3D graphics and games but was excellent as a phone/web browser. If you find your self not minding the lack of service as a phone on the Iphone i would say wait and see what the next Android device is. Although from what i read it won't have a physical keyboard...but if you are enjoying the the iphone's VK then you shouldn;t mind not having the physical keyboard.
It all comes down to how well it works as a phone for me...I use the exchange sync but never sync my contacts...I have been a gmail user since the original beta in 2003, so i never had a problem with syncing contacts to the G1 but with the Iphone. I had to export from gmail to Outlook, then export to Itunes and sync to the Iphone.
I would say if you are happy with the Iphone on Tmobile's network return the G1 and get that $350...that's a lot to spend on it. Wait for the next greatest Android device.(MyTouch has double the storage but everything else is basically the same) I would save up some money then sell the Iphone on ebay and buy the unlocked Hero device when it comes out. Android is still an infant but is growing up very fast. Just think about 2-3 months ago we only had a few ROMs to choose from...now we have more then i care to count at the moment =)

I have always been a fan of cooked roms and cooking roms, but what is bad about the stock G1 rom? I could give a list of bad points that put me off the stock rom in WM5 so what is it on google? I did a search and saw that speed was an issue. or is it just buggy?
Jay

No exchange, no flash, no multi-touch by default. The rom itself is pretty fast, and the looks and feel aren't bad at all. Just a preference thing. But, just like in Apple world, as new updates come out to the main firmware, new features are added and old bugs fixed. I think that goes for any phone though.

how dare u say th i word in here =x lol jk.

I had an iphone on att before (and my wife currently is using it on tmobile) and wanted to put in my two cents.
iPhone Pros:
Iphones games are just as good as a psp, and pretty cheap from the itunes store and there are TONS of them.
Apps crash way less
GPhone Pros:
Alerts - iphone is still not up to par with this, any g1 app can alert you to new emails, etc
Util apps - out of the box the apps on the g1 can affect things like power, wifi, and even more system settings. This lets you have a much better range of util apps
If you plan to root/jailbreak your iphone/gphone:
iphone - Adds the above GPhone pros but slows down the phone a lot, it just wasnt ment to handle it
gphone - run linux easily -- way fun!
Thats what sums it up in just a few lines!
kmc127

One thing that I can say is getting awfully annoying on the G1 is my mail. When I read mail on my G1, it doesn't correctly update my account with which emails are read and which ones are still new. So, I have to login to the account and check them as read in order for them to stop saying they're new. Kind of a pain, but liveable.
On the iPhone on the other hand, you read an email, whether it be Yahoo, Exchange, Hotmail, etc., it updates to the online mail system. The G1 tries to do the update, but most of the time, it misses at least half of the emails.

In other words, if you want games- go with an iPhone. If you want a phone for communication purposes (and still lots of cool games) go with a G1.

Poll: Keeping or losing FroYo?

Just want to see what everyone's take is with the battery life issues, etc

[highlight]Mod Edit: trolling and flaming are not allowed on XDA grounds. Consider this a friendly warning[/highlight]

If you guys seriously consider that either trolling or flaming, then your standards for such really are lackluster.
For the sake of the thread though, I went back to MCR r15. Runs amazing, and have much faster up and dl speeds. Paul said he will be releasing a ROM based on this soon anyway, so I can wait. FroYo was amazing though. Only real reason I went back was because of a wifi issue, LOL. Turns out it was just an IP address conflict. I reset the IP of my laptop and solved it, but only AFTER I'd reverted. Too lazy to go back again.

dictionary said:
If you guys seriously consider that either trolling or flaming, then your standards for such really are lackluster.
For the sake of the thread though, I went back to MCR r15. Runs amazing, and have much faster up and dl speeds. Paul said he will be releasing a ROM based on this soon anyway, so I can wait. FroYo was amazing though. Only real reason I went back was because of a wifi issue, LOL. Turns out it was just an IP address conflict. I reset the IP of my laptop and solved it, but only AFTER I'd reverted. Too lazy to go back again.
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Why MCR R15 over CM 5.0.7.1?

hah2110 said:
Just want to see what everyone's take is with the battery life issues, etc
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I have great battery life with FroYo, running stock FroYo kernel, and all... I do have a few small bugs that were clear signs to me it was unofficial to begin with, and am excited for the official release to see if it polishes out those few minor issues.
All in all, though, 99.9% of if works perfect. Super fast, great battery life, and so forth. Radio seems to be about the same as all the others, I get good 3G when I have it, good EDGE when I am on that. I still say I get better reception than my G1 did, but that is just me and my testing at my Dad's house (death hole for cell phone coverage) and my basement (it is where my "man dungeon" is located). Beyond that, I always get good coverage no matter the phone, so it has been a moot point to me... speed wise, I always edit my GPRS and HSDPA to 12 and 2.

hah2110 said:
Why MCR R15 over CM 5.0.7.1?
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Why CM over MCR? Or Enom over CM? and so forth... personal preference is the likely answer. I like MCR since I have a pay account over there and can use his kitchens, thus making a ROM that is lighter. I like Enom because it is rock solid, fast, and great battery life (1.8.1 is best IMHO). I like CM because it is bleeding edge, fast, and while has its moments of instability, is still the gold standard for a full feature custom ROM, especially with all the extras pre-baked in. Desire has only 1 real option, Modaco.
And I like FroYo the most because it is new, super duper fast, good battery life, and I like frozen yogurt.

hah2110 said:
Why MCR R15 over CM 5.0.7.1?
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MCR r15 for me runs soooo much smoother. I love CyanogenMod, as my sign indicates. LOL. After trying out r15 though I was hooked.

The poll options seem to indicate a dislike of Froyo. Even the positive options imply that by using it you are putting up with tons of bugs or something. Are people really having trouble with Froyo?
It's been working well for me. My battery life has been worse but I thought it was just because I had turned Latitude back on about the same time I upgraded to Froyo.

hexix said:
The poll options seem to indicate a dislike of Froyo. Even the positive options imply that by using it you are putting up with tons of bugs or something. Are people really having trouble with Froyo?
It's been working well for me. My battery life has been worse but I thought it was just because I had turned Latitude back on about the same time I upgraded to Froyo.
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I LOVE FroYo but can't tolerate the battery consumption. Sorry if it came off bias

I love FroYo and I want to keep it but... I have some problems that I can't live with.
1. Reboot phone, resets widgets and some installed programs on SD
2. Double messaging notifications (stock messaging app conflict with other apps, even if I disable notifications)
3. Miss the tweaks and stuff from CM
Still using it but urging to switch back until custom roms are out.

Not only am I keeping Froyo, I'm being FORCED to use my TMobile Nexus(2.2) instead of my ATT Nexus(2.1) because Froyo makes 2.1 feel like a slow crappy beta.
I cannot even get voice plus data at the same time with my TMobile Nexus, yet I use it because, imo, Froyo is that much better.
Going back to my 2.1 Nexus feels like a pre launch beta device that I yell at because it's so damn laggy compared to Froyo, which is fast as a bullet.
Please Google give us 2.2 so I can go back to my freaking ATT Nexus!

wish I could have two nexus ones, LOL.
Overall I loved FroYo, and had I realized the IP conflict before switching back to MCR r15, I would still be on it.

Well, I just solved two of my problems, it's not so bad now. Going to stick with it

dictionary said:
wish I could have two nexus ones, LOL.
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if I'd known the ATT version was going to follow so closely behind the Tmobile version, I would only have one as well. I just couldn't wait. I keep the Tmobile Nexus rather than sell it because if anything were to ever happen to my ATT Nexus, my GF will NEVER let me buy a third one. I've used up my smartphone quota for quite awhile

People get too caught up in the other ROMS when in all reality Froyo briings everything they need via a stock ROM but some folks would rather run Cyano or Modaco just to say they have have a custom ROM. In all reality if you install Froyo after a clean wipe the only real bug you will encounter is with some marketplace apps not showing up. A small price to pay considering they will eventually show up and life will be back to normal. The majority of ppl complaining about other bugs are folks who flashed froyo over a cyano or modaco etc.. rom and of course they are going to have problems as this update was obviously not tested with cyano or modaco as a base rom for obvious reasons. I'd say a good 90% plus of the problems some are experiencing are due to this and the rest of us are loving Froyo to death. I'm happy with it and anxiously awaiting the official release so I can reinstall those market apps that are missing as that's the only real bug I am encountering after a clean install of Froyo.

For everyday use I feel Froyo is definitely slower than CM5.0.7 with pershoot's latest kernel. I used CM's quick rooter with Froyo so I was also OC'd for a fair comparison. I'm still going to keep using Froyo because it's fun seeing optimizations and themes etc slowly tickle out for the new Android build.

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People get too caught up in the other ROMS when in all reality Froyo briings everything they need via a stock ROM but some folks would rather run Cyano or Modaco just to say they have have a custom ROM. In all reality if you install Froyo after a clean wipe the only real bug you will encounter is with some marketplace apps not showing up. A small price to pay considering they will eventually show up and life will be back to normal. The majority of ppl complaining about other bugs are folks who flashed froyo over a cyano or modaco etc.. rom and of course they are going to have problems as this update was obviously not tested with cyano or modaco as a base rom for obvious reasons. I'd say a good 90% plus of the problems some are experiencing are due to this and the rest of us are loving Froyo to death. I'm happy with it and anxiously awaiting the official release so I can reinstall those market apps that are missing as that's the only real bug I am encountering after a clean install of Froyo.
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I agree, to a degree, but there is no way most people are just caught up in the hype of a ROM. The assumption and assertion that custom ROMs are pointless is unjustified, and bias to your needs. I find the the enhancements custom ROMs bring can drastically alter my user experience in many ways. For example, MCR r15 runs circles around my stock ROM, in terms of speed, performance with games, battery life, etc. Prior to FroYo, these ROMs added the wifi/wired tethering, lower capacitive button fix (thanks kmobs), better battery life, smaller file sizes for installed system, homescreen rotation (which FroYo still doesn't do), trackball colors, and various other small tidbits. Now that FroYo is out (I wonder how much of what's in FroYo only came about due to the Dev community putting it out there, and Google taking notice.. hmm), I can only imagine what the Devs will cook up to enhance it even further.

Looking forward to the future Cyano ROMS based on Froyo no doubt but at this point in time Froyo brings everything I ever rooted for and gives me better battery life to boot. The dev community certainly had some influence in the features we see today in Froyo and for that I am thankful, don't mean to sound like i'm coming down on the devs. I just don't see much point in running anything other than Froyo right now but will consider it once I see what the devs can add to it.

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I just don't see much point in running anything other than Froyo right now but will consider it once I see what the devs can add to it.
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Well, if you want a good example - I want the option to have sd-ext partition (custom, pre-Froyo Apps2SD). Firstly because many apps I have currently don't support moving to SD - and I'm "overbooked" by at least 50MB that I have to offload to SD card to have some space left on the device, and also because I like the ability to mound SD card without loosing access to applications.
I also hate it that I don't have direct access to hidden system menus, and even for changing the browser user agent I need to write "about:debug".
Those things keep me with CM5.0.7.1 until better times.

[Q] Who came from Android and why?

Ive been seriously looking at the WP7 series and I'm curious to hear from real-world users who have been in the same boat as me. I've been an Android person for the past year now and as much as I like Android, I like to keep my options open too!
So tell me - why did YOU switch from Android to WP7 and would you do it again if you had the chance ?

I've been playing with WP7, mostly to see what "the other side" has been up to. I've had WinCE devices going back to the 1.x days, and always loved it, but trying to cram a desktop OS into a hand-held device always seemed awkward.
I got an iPhone and loved it for a couple of years, but got handed a G1 and fell in love with the potential that Android represented. It wasn't quite "there" yet, so I switched back and forth from Android to iOS and back for a good year before settling full-time with Android on my Nexus One.
Now I've got a Nexus-S and I love it, but I was able to play with a WP7 device in the form of the HD7, and I really like it, however...
Coming from Android, Google's services, search, GMail, and Maps, are so much better in ability than Bing, Hotmail, and Bing Maps that I missed my Nexus S. I love the user-interface of WP7, and hope that it evolves a bit more.
WP7's approach to real-time usability is great. Apps are smooth and clean, and much less jerky than Android apps seem to be at times. The OS seems well suited to doing one thing at a time, really well. I wish Android was better at maintaining higher priority for foreground apps, instead of making things choppy with garbage-collection.
If you have a chance to wait until the January (now February) update happens, I would. Things could get much better for WP7 very soon, but who knows? I'm keeping my options open.

the biggest disappointment is in Bing and Zune services. Since their not available in Ireland. The prolonged wait for update kinda adds up too
Though otherwise than that its all ok
I had a HD2 with Android and reason why i sold it because once i played with WP7 i felt that Androids UI was so boring.
Games on WP7 are much better too than Android. Alot of devs from iPhone have hopped aboard.

Anyone else? This is good stuff! Keep it coming!

I still use my android from day to day. They se the best overall in terms of a combination of things such as features and useability. Tho WP7 has a slick UI its missing things like the gmail intergration and Google maps, but it has a music client that's not as good as iTunes. Then there is iOS, its great, easy to use, simple, and reliable, at the end of the day that's what makes IOS sell, just like variety is what makes android sell. For WP7 to catch up they need to release a groundbreaker, something that blows the competition away spec wise. I played with a Samsung WP7 At att the other day while stopping in to see an old friend, windows on a phone has came a long way since WinMo6.5. I will say that. It just depends on what u want at the end of the day
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I think you should check this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=900747
i move to wp7, because i simple hates its lag and UI..

I've been an Android user since the G1 days and this may sound stupid, but the main reasons i switched is because Android is FAR too customizable. To some, that can be a bad thing. I found myself changing themes, layouts, icon sets, etc.. way more than i should, which took up far too much time in my day. I never really had a feeling of satisfaction with Android. Thats the first thing. The second thing is the force closures and the occasional lag (I came from a G2 so it definitely wasn't my device) Android is an awesome platform, however, I still feel like its something Google just slapped together, even if thats not the case. the third thing is its lack of consistency. like i said earlier, i customized my ROMs a lot. My home screens, icon sets, fonts, and launcher theme all were consistent. Then when you open an app (the dialer for example) its a whole different look. This may not bother some people but it bothered me quite a bit and im sure im not the only one. Im not saying WP7 is perfect because its far from that. BUT i love the consistency throughout the platform, even when you download apps from the market, most of them seem to follow that metro UI interface. the fact that its customization is limited to tile placement and color gives me a sense of satisfaction knowing that there is no other way you could have it, which means less time trying to get it the way you want it. I also love the smoothness as well. the fact that it does not support multi tasking has yet to bother me as I never really do more than one thing on my phone anyway. I am, however, frustrated with the lack of copy/paste (which will be fixed soon) and lets not forget the dreadful marketplace which locks up randomly causing users to reboot. I also am disappointed in Bing maps. i would much rather prefer to use Google maps. its just easier. The only thing i can truly say i miss from Android is the WIFI calling. I spend most of my time in my basement. I hardly get signal except for one corner. at the end of the day, i am happier with WP7 because of its simplicity, performance, and ease of use as well as its "polished" feel.

Nissan350 said:
I've been an Android user since the G1 days and this may sound stupid, but the main reasons i switched is because Android is FAR too customizable. To some, that can be a bad thing. I found myself changing themes, layouts, icon sets, etc.. way more than i should, which took up far too much time in my day.
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I'm glad I am not the only one who actually finds that Android is TOO customizable. I find myself spending hours each day fiddling with it!

JWhipple said:
I'm glad I am not the only one who actually finds that Android is TOO customizable. I find myself spending hours each day fiddling with it!
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Lol, I'm glad you can see where I'm coming from

irispen said:
I think you should check this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=900747
i move to wp7, because i simple hates its lag and UI..
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me same like u.been use nexus one for a year.tired about android.but maybe will switch back to android again who know..

Nissan350 said:
...the third thing is its lack of consistency. like i said earlier, i customized my ROMs a lot. My home screens, icon sets, fonts, and launcher theme all were consistent. Then when you open an app (the dialer for example) its a whole different look. This may not bother some people but it bothered me quite a bit and im sure im not the only one...
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Okay, this is not directed toward you at all, but all of this sounds very familiar and it kinda explains a lot about what people's issues MIGHT be with WP7.
Everything you said is Windows Mobile all over again, and that is not a bad thing at all. I loved WM, and it's versatility IMO were what made it so great. So much about Android screams WM to me.
I come to these forums and I see people crying like little girls over and over about what WP7 doesn't do, have, etc and it just makes me feel like they want a super updated WM device. They want the absolute best of the best that WM has to offer... but they want it out of WP7. I see their issues, but this is a completely different device all together, and to ask it to be WM is kinda ignorant. So to those people I think they should run to Android and call it a day.
While I'm on this rant (and hella off-topic) I see a lot of short term memories when people start to cying about WP. It doesn't have this, and that like Android and ios. Wait a minute... everything you want, and they FINALLY have has been in WM for YEARS. None of this started with the new-booty competition. If MS didn't let me down with WM I doubt I'll be let down by WP7.. and so far I'm about as happy as I can be with a mobile device.
Once again, not directed toward you specifically, but you brought up some things that I've been thinking about.

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Sean D. said:
Okay, this is not directed toward you at all, but all of this sounds very familiar and it kinda explains a lot about what people's issues MIGHT be with WP7.
Everything you said is Windows Mobile all over again, and that is not a bad thing at all. I loved WM, and it's versatility IMO were what made it so great. So much about Android screams WM to me.
I come to these forums and I see people crying like little girls over and over about what WP7 doesn't do, have, etc and it just makes me feel like they want a super updated WM device. They want the absolute best of the best that WM has to offer... but they want it out of WP7. I see their issues, but this is a completely different device all together, and to ask it to be WM is kinda ignorant. So to those people I think they should run to Android and call it a day.
While I'm on this rant (and hella off-topic) I see a lot of short term memories when people start to cying about WP. It doesn't have this, and that like Android and ios. Wait a minute... everything you want, and they FINALLY have has been in WM for YEARS. None of this started with the new-booty competition. If MS didn't let me down with WM I doubt I'll be let down by WP7.. and so far I'm about as happy as I can be with a mobile device.
Once again, not directed toward you specifically, but you brought up some things that I've been thinking about.
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Good points. I'm very happy with WP7 and it feels great to be off Android. The platform is still in its infancy and there is not a doubt in my mind that it will evolve and become even better than it already is. Of course, the evolution would just be added pluses.

Nissan350 said:
I've been an Android user since the G1 days and this may sound stupid, but the main reasons i switched is because Android is FAR too customizable. To some, that can be a bad thing. I found myself changing themes, layouts, icon sets, etc.. way more than i should, which took up far too much time in my day. I never really had a feeling of satisfaction with Android. Thats the first thing. The second thing is the force closures and the occasional lag (I came from a G2 so it definitely wasn't my device) Android is an awesome platform, however, I still feel like its something Google just slapped together, even if thats not the case. the third thing is its lack of consistency. like i said earlier, i customized my ROMs a lot. My home screens, icon sets, fonts, and launcher theme all were consistent. Then when you open an app (the dialer for example) its a whole different look. This may not bother some people but it bothered me quite a bit and im sure im not the only one. Im not saying WP7 is perfect because its far from that. BUT i love the consistency throughout the platform, even when you download apps from the market, most of them seem to follow that metro UI interface. the fact that its customization is limited to tile placement and color gives me a sense of satisfaction knowing that there is no other way you could have it, which means less time trying to get it the way you want it. I also love the smoothness as well. the fact that it does not support multi tasking has yet to bother me as I never really do more than one thing on my phone anyway. I am, however, frustrated with the lack of copy/paste (which will be fixed soon) and lets not forget the dreadful marketplace which locks up randomly causing users to reboot. I also am disappointed in Bing maps. i would much rather prefer to use Google maps. its just easier. The only thing i can truly say i miss from Android is the WIFI calling. I spend most of my time in my basement. I hardly get signal except for one corner. at the end of the day, i am happier with WP7 because of its simplicity, performance, and ease of use as well as its "polished" feel.
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couldnt have said it better myself
what ticked me off about android was the overall inconsistancy in both looks and performance, and until now that i own a wp7 device, i never understood by what ios and webos users said when they called it "clunky". now if i see what i saw in the honeycomb demo come in some way or form to smartphones (awesome graphical interface, ease of multitasking, and overall polish and consistantcy) i will come back in no time. but untill then, thanks to the mess that is software updates for android. the only one i would consider is a nexus device, and i dont plan on jumping through hoops to get one till i see the update and basic overhaul it needs. im perfectly happy with my hd7

JWhipple said:
Ive been seriously looking at the WP7 series and I'm curious to hear from real-world users who have been in the same boat as me. I've been an Android person for the past year now and as much as I like Android, I like to keep my options open too!
So tell me - why did YOU switch from Android to WP7 and would you do it again if you had the chance ?
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Been using Android for almost a year now..through work I'm getting newer Android and newer WP7 devices. It started with the Desire Z (G2) and the LG Optimus Quantum.
I don't care how pretty your OS is, there's no love for that phone. It's a piece of crap regular phone loaded with a smartphone OS. Absolute trash, my SIM sat in it for a day, and sadly because of the lack of usability on the device (size, build, LG..) I couldn't give WP7 a fair chance.
However, recently got the HD7 and a certain dual core device, and I can't make a decision. I personally love customization, so Android is literally endless and fresh to me. However, I'm a huge Hotmail supporter (GMail isn't that great, there's a reason Hotmail is still number 1 webmail worldwide..) and firmly believe the Email application built into WP7 (the Hotmail one) looks better, works better, and - for me - is better than the GMail app ever will be. It looks slick, it works well, it's pretty, etc.
With the HD7, it's actually a device that can showboat the features of the OS - however, there's only like..two. Office, and these boring tiles. Yes, it's simple, yes, it's easy, if I wanted that, I'd use a laptop and a normal phone. I want complicated, I want to be able to do everything, which is why I still use Android. At the same time, there's something refreshing about WP7 and the simplicity, but I find entirely too often I go to do something, grab the HD7, find it's not available or built in, sigh, and pull out my Android device.
Another huge slam on WP7 is this micro SD bull****. I can drag and drop anything on any Android device, you're telling me it's that hard to let people use external storage?
No, because I use a Macbook (primary booting OS X) with W7, I'm forced to use W7 because there's one incredibly ****ty option for Mac syncing. I'd rather have a cluttered ass SD card with dragged files than EVER use WMP as my "media hub" or whatever. I don't use iPhoto. I use iTunes for organization, but that's it. However, if I want ANYTHING on my WP7 device, I'm forced to use these stupid Apple applications (and a beta app from Microsoft) I deleted because of massive bloat just to transfer stuff? Ridiculous. Build a frigging mount into it or let us use SD cards.
Sorry. That's a massive, massive frustration for me.
Anyways, that's my take. Android and WP7 are not on the same level. I see WP7 as a high end regular phone, and Android as an actual smartphone. I'm sure this opinion could change depending on the expansion of the OS and the Marketplace, but right now, the OS is way too young and has a serious "polished, but unfinished" feel to it. WP7 could be good and I could use it regularly..in a few years. Not now. I'm going to continue giving WP7 a try, as there are things that are impressing me.
For example, Bing Maps is definitely not as feature rich as Google Maps, but holy hell does it lock well. GMaps is only good if you can get a damn GPS lock, and people can say "oh, it's usually fine" but after a year I have to yet to see the GPS work nearly as well in any ROM or OS on Android compared to WP7, so props to them for getting that right. The Email is really nice (as a consistent Hotmail user) texting is pretty bland, the Contacts or People or whatever is totally convoluted and unnecessary, I don't know how they managed to complicate something so simple. If I wanted to see facebook, I'd open it. I just want my damn contact list. Android has perfected this as far as I'm concerned, as it's "Person --- Phone button to call" and that's all there needs to be. You can click their contact card to get more information if need be.
The marketplace needs some work, definitely needs more sections like the Android Market (Communications - Free / Paid, Whatever - Free / Paid) as opposed to just Free EVERYTHING, or mixed paid / free in sections. I definitely don't think the Android Market is perfect, but it's definitely more usable than the Windows Marketplace.
Hmm.. Internet Explorer is really nice, it works surprisingly well for a browser I haven't even looked at in almost 10 years. I was pleasantly surprised, I was dreading that I couldn't use anything else, but Microsoft did a great job. It looks nice, it's not exactly feature rich, but it's snappy, clean, and responsive.
The music / videos app is alright, nothing special but not definitely usable and looks good.
The fact that MSN Messenger was NOT included in the OS completely deadpanned me, how the hell do you forget what was at one point your bread and butter? It would literally be like Google forgetting GTalk, it wouldn't happen. I don't like the MSN application that is available has to resume every time the phone sleeps, waste of a good 10 seconds. Facebook works fine.. Phone is fine, the simplicity gets in the way of speakerphone and stuff if you forget what little tab they're under, but whatever, it works.
Calendar is GREAT, I love the way it's set up, it looks really good.
Microsoft Office is amazing...works really well.
I think I covered everything? I know I kind of went off in some areas, but just my opinions..
Oh, I miss having an actual wallpaper. I don't care if I couldn't see 90% of it, better than just black. Maybe I have a special someone I'd like to see as my wallpaper for more than the half a second it takes me to unlock my phone. Oh well.

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No, because I use a Macbook (primary booting OS X) with W7, I'm forced to use W7 because there's one incredibly ****ty option for Mac syncing. I'd rather have a cluttered ass SD card with dragged files than EVER use WMP as my "media hub" or whatever. I don't use iPhoto. I use iTunes for organization, but that's it. However, if I want ANYTHING on my WP7 device, I'm forced to use these stupid Apple applications (and a beta app from Microsoft) I deleted because of massive bloat just to transfer stuff? Ridiculous. Build a frigging mount into it or let us use SD cards.
Sorry. That's a massive, massive frustration for me.
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Zune works well for media once you get the hang of it, and since you like your Live account so much, utilize the SkyDrive feature for cloud storage of documents. This second comment on this thread is a great idea for how to quickly access it...
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...7/thread/56adcec6-08ce-4d86-aa67-27dda1433fa0
Yes, access to the SD card would be nice. I suppose they're looking to cut down on support calls?

Android is not a phone; its a geeky toy
I bought an HTC Desire in August 2009. My HTC TyTN had just died and I couldn't wait for the late release of WP7. Android was such a disappointment. Market was unavailable in Sweden (it is open now), the UI looked disgustingly ugly and the whole experience was so much lower than descent. The only thing I really loved about Android was the notification system. I also have an iPhone so Android's notification system seemed totally like a blessing. Nevertheless Android just felt like another Google experiment. A geeky toy for Google lovers. I'm not a Google lover. Not because their products are so bad; They are bad, but I could forgive that. What I can't stand in Google is their daily bragging about their coolness all over the web while their products are actually years behind what they could really be had they cared about anything else than selling ads and hooking people onto their so called platform(s). So if I am to make a compromise on a product I am really more willing to compromise for Microsoft. Unlike newcomers like Google, Microsoft has proven over the years that they do have a vision about software and they do work on it. Google has no vision about the web other than dominance. They have a vision about advertising. My "vision" about advertising is that it is an old solution to an old problem which I'm not so sure will even exist for long in the so called "new economy". So I just sold my HTC Desire and bought an HTC HD7. I know that I will miss the WiFi tethering of my HTC Desire. Hopefully not for long. Like I said I can make a compromise for Microsoft but find it pointless to make a compromise for Google.

Android just felt cluttered to me. Yes, you can customize it as much as you want but personally I dislike the mess of widgets and icons. I was never happy with my home pages.
My phone doubles as my MP3 player and the WP7 audio playback is much better because of the HD7's sound enhancer. The sound equalizer I had on Android would only work on MP3s, not on other file types.
Pinch to zoom to WP7 is really really really good. Also the GPS on my HD7 finds my position significantly faster than my Android phone (would take several minutes to lock on). Bing maps really isn't bad so I don't know what the fuss is about. Sure there's no voice navigation, but I never used it when I had Android anyway.
Anyway my main reason for switching was that I hated being left behind while new phones are released with updates. Literally the way to upgrade with Android is to buy a new phone or root the phone. Problem with rooting is that each ROM has it's own little quirks and I didn't want to sacrifice functionality just to see a higher build number. IMO if you have to root in order to have the phone "work" then you're doing it wrong.
I do miss some things like the control panel and swype, but that's about it. So far so good.

I think from most of the posts above we can agree that WP7 is a clean functional minimal UI. And once the update comes in it will be one to brag about

ex-android user
I love android, and I still own several Android Devices, and I've been using android since the G1. Android (like many have said before me) reminds me a lot of Windows Mobile (and I loved windows mobile).
Why I made the switch:
Well, not to offend anyone, but WP7 seems to be a more mature OS, not in terms of functionality, but in terms of it's minimalist approach.
It's like comparing:
A tricked out Honda: http://www.remarkablecars.com/main/honda/tricked-out-honda.jpg
and a Cadillac CTS-V Coupe: http://photos.leftlanenews.com/phot...mbnailsnew/me-cadillac-cts-v-coupe-09_620.jpg
It's probably faster, and more elegant, but less flashy, and less customizable.
Ultimately it's a matter of preference, personally I'd chose the Caddy

[Q] Tired of waiting on AT&T for 2.2 would like to upgrade OS but how?

I have an AT&T Samsung Captivate and I'm really getting frustrated with a few things about the current 2.1 OS. I have no idea but my native email app keeps crashing, more than half the time I can connect to a WiFi network but data will not transmit and then there are random lockups and freezes. I have wiped and re-installed a couple of times but no joy.
So my question is... if I want to upgrade this phone to the latest OS that it can run where can I find the step-by-step instructions to do so? I don't care if I'm running an "official" release, I just want to try something newer than what I have currently even if it's pre-release and I have to mod my phone to get it installed.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884364
welcome to XDA

+1 flash to a custom 2.2 or 2.2.1 ROM, it is not that hard, just spend some time to read, you will be satisfied ...

Wow! I had no idea there were so many choices of ROMs. Has anyone put together a matrix that compares features and/or compatibility of various things across a handful of the more popular ROMs?
As long as I can send/receive calls, SMS, use WiFi for internet and other data needs, push email via and Exchange server, camera (still & video) and have access to the Market to download and run a handful of apps I'll be good to go.

105437 said:
Wow! I had no idea there were so many choices of ROMs. Has anyone put together a matrix that compares features and/or compatibility of various things across a handful of the more popular ROMs?
As long as I can send/receive calls, SMS, use WiFi for internet and other data needs, push email via and Exchange server, camera (still & video) and have access to the Market to download and run a handful of apps I'll be good to go.
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you have to try it yourself to figure out which one/combination is best for you.

I'm convinced that even if ATT releases the 2.2 update it won't be worth updating...so rooting and flashing is definitely the way to go with this Captivate. However, after reading and reading, and watching the videos, I still don't trusty myself to root and flash a custom ROM. Does anyone know of a service that provides one on one help to accomplish this..of course on a paid basis?

So is it fairly easy to flash to different ROMs and then flash back to 2.1 if I don't like the ROM? I'm technically inclined. How much risk is involved with bricking the phone, I'm not worried about losing apps or personal data.

fldude99 said:
I'm convinced that even if ATT releases the 2.2 update it won't be worth updating...so rooting and flashing is definitely the way to go with this Captivate. However, after reading and reading, and watching the videos, I still don't trusty myself to root and flash a custom ROM. Does anyone know of a service that provides one on one help to accomplish this..of course on a paid basis?
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I felt the same way as you did. Finally something in me decided to give it a go. I watched a few videos at theunlockr and read up a bunch here first. I made sure to just take my time and couldn't be happier that I did it.
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105437 said:
So is it fairly easy to flash to different ROMs and then flash back to 2.1 if I don't like the ROM? I'm technically inclined. How much risk is involved with bricking the phone, I'm not worried about losing apps or personal data.
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if you have the ATT captivate it is one click to restore to stock. ( "Odin one-click" not to beconfused with odin3 1.7 flashing util)
risk? hmm not much, if you do it right, and depending on your build #. but there are ways to unbrick, usb jigs, premade on ebay or a simple 3100K resistor and a steady hand to cross pin 4 & 5 on the USB.
advice: read, learn, for days first, then do it and be amazed!

Confidence is building!
Just got to find out which ROM is best for my needs. Lots of reading to do!!

105437 said:
Just got to find out which ROM is best for my needs. Lots of reading to do!!
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sooner or later, you will be a master of flashing ...

Flashing Addiction
Compulsive Avoidance of Immediate Pain

I tried Andromeda and loved it, but I couldn't get my company email natively on it (and Touchdown is kinda ghetto). So, earlier this evening I tried Serendipity - and sure enough, Exchange support is awesome.
Try either of those roms, you won't be disappointed!

Honestly take your time, try them all

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I tried Andromeda and loved it, but I couldn't get my company email natively on it (and Touchdown is kinda ghetto).
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Exchange support is a must for me. Native would be my preference, what's the story with Touchdown?

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Exchange support is a must for me. Native would be my preference, what's the story with Touchdown?
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exchange support is in Andromeda....if you need 2010 support we have an APK you can drop into your /system/app/
touchdown is a great app. my company provides it for its employees.

ONE WARNING.....Once you get the hang of flashing ROMs, you'll become an addict and find yourself never satisfied (Which is not a bad thing necessarily!)
I've gone through about every ROM possible AND multiple versions and have found one I think I can stick with for awhile.
Like others have said, it's just matter of taste and capability with your phone and network. You'll have fun experimenting!

Check out How To video series
I just completed my first flash to cognition 3.04. It's very stable. No problems after a few days. It was easy with video support from Connexion2005. See this link:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877652

Pirateghost, my corporate email is on an Exchange 2007 server, and with Andromeda 1.x I got the following error message: "This server requires security features your phone does not have."
I'm a linux dev by profession and have messed with the Android SDK a bit so I'm not in uncharted waters here - I apktool'd the Andromeda email app, and tried to subvert the whole security stuff, rebuilt the apk, pushed it back, and that didn't help either. I'd definitely be interested in the Exchange supported Andromeda apk you guys have to test it out.

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Exchange support is a must for me. Native would be my preference, what's the story with Touchdown?
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Touchdown works great, except the interface just feels dated. It feels like it kinda lives in its own sandbox on the phone; this isn't a bad thing necessarily, I just prefer the integrated approach.
Oh yeah, there's also the whole fact that Touchdown costs $20USD. I'm a cheapo so I'd rather just use native support

Rooted palm pre vs Rooted Hero

Had a question for those who used to own Palm pres and rooted them.
As of now how would you compare the Palm Pre (rooted of course) to that of a rooted Hero (say mine, AOSP 2.3.3)
Does the palm offer anything better than the hero does. Just wondering because a guy on C-list is selling his palm for cheap and was wondering if it would be worth the time to maybe switch up phones.
If i'm in the wrong thread sorry, if this offends people because its not directly a Android HeroC question, sorry again. Just wanted to ask

i have no first hand knowledge..but better? perhaps the cpu and the ability to use a touchstone..and a slide out portrait keyboard, which i do know a lot of people that liked that design.
what's not better? probably development for webOS as compared to Android...i'd imagine you can still find more WinMo 6.5 apps than you can webOS, as I never see anyone with Pres or Pixis. Everyone owns Android phones and iphones.
just my $.02

The palm is way smoother and faster, once you overclock it. I'm running screenstate 500/800 and its great. Battery life is pretty good too. Beyond that, I prefer android. There are way more and better apps. Also, tethering on the pre is harder to achieve and is a much slower connection, fwiw. Could be because I haven't figured out how to update radio/profile/prl on the pre.
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Good to know
Thanks for the response. Reason i'm asking is i'd just like a change of phone for now and i'd rather not do a true upgrade, but instead maybe move to a phone that was what i was trying to decide on when i first got my upgrade last year.
Again thanks for the responses.

kevphan08 said:
Thanks for the response. Reason i'm asking is i'd just like a change of phone for now and i'd rather not do a true upgrade, but instead maybe move to a phone that was what i was trying to decide on when i first got my upgrade last year.
Again thanks for the responses.
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Be careful though, activating an "old" phone is considered an "upgrade" to Sprint, so they will charge you the new $10 premium data charge that comes with activating a smartphone.
From my Gingerbread Hero.

Nsandhu23 said:
Be careful though, activating an "old" phone is considered an "upgrade" to Sprint, so they will charge you the new $10 premium data charge that comes with activating a smartphone.
From my Gingerbread Hero.
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don't that just suck! did it to me when switching to a used hero from a hero!

man i wish we wouldve got that webos port to work awhile back until sandix or whatever that douchebags name was ruined it for everybody, that wouldve have been the coolest thing ever.

The Hero is a great phone ONCE it is rooted. If you don't have the Hero rooted it's basically a pile of crap. I'd pick the Hero(rooted) over a palm pre(rooted) any day.
And with AOSP developing an incredible rom for the Hero, it's a nobrainer.

Nice input guys
Yeah for clarification I do have a rooted hero (aosp 2.3.3) its just i'd like something thats more integrated. I liked, when looking at the pre before, how it integrated all my contacts honestly a lot better. I like having my google account synced to everything, but I've had times where switching roms and stuff i lose important contacts and it sucks.
Just trying to find a different scenery i guess since sprints pretty much put hero's in the dump.
Also as a little note i hate how we're so limited with our phones. Can't play really any games, barely any ROMs that I'd like to try but cant because of our hardware, etc...
Anyways i'm rambling... Take it easy guys

kevphan08 said:
Yeah for clarification I do have a rooted hero (aosp 2.3.3) its just i'd like something thats more integrated. I liked, when looking at the pre before, how it integrated all my contacts honestly a lot better. I like having my google account synced to everything, but I've had times where switching roms and stuff i lose important contacts and it sucks.
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You're not going to get this answer from many people, but the best, most stable firmware in terms of integration is the stock, up-to-date firmware (all OTA updates installed). There were issues when the Hero first received 2.1, but that was almost a year ago. They have released several OTA updates since then, and as far as I know they ironed out any major outstanding issues.
Sure, it's not the latest and greatest, but it's stable. And HTC Sense does have good integration features. I switch back to it from time to time, and the only thing that really disappoints me about it is not being able to download the latest versions of every app due to API differences. But all intended features work as designed, including making phone calls. And there are Sense features that still haven't made their way into other ROM images or apps.