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i just dont get this. i have been a member for 2 months and im just as lost as i was when i started. if i ask 1 of the people who know what to do they say search or gtfo. i search and end up more confused. the threads arent very friendly to a person just starting out like me. all of the language is written for people who already no what their doing. its not dumbed down at all. i think i will just use this site to download roms and themes since thats all i can seem to do

I am not trying to attack you or anything, but what is the purpose of this thread?
There are a lot of helpful people around here, maybe you aren't putting your questions in the Q&A thread? Or they aren't worded properly so people know how to assist you.... IDK.
Seeing as this is the only thread you have ever started here, I can't really say that it looks like you have posted much requesting help. I see one post where you were having problems flashing a new recovery image, but it looks like you probably just entered either the file name or path wrong. Or you didn't save the file in the root of your sdcard.
But, also, seeing as this is the XDA-Developers forum.... a certain level of knowledge seems to be expected by a lot of the members. I really don't see where anyone has told you to search or GTFO, in fact, I didn't really notice any responses to your posts.
If you want people to help you, post in the proper section and form coherent, explanatory questions.

jerzy448 said:
i just dont get this. i have been a member for 2 months and im just as lost as i was when i started. if i ask 1 of the people who know what to do they say search or gtfo. i search and end up more confused. the threads arent very friendly to a person just starting out like me. all of the language is written for people who already no what their doing. its not dumbed down at all. i think i will just use this site to download roms and themes since thats all i can seem to do
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I'm home sick today. What do you need help with. I'll help you out..

bhilgeman said:
I'm home sick today. What do you need help with. I'll help you out..
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See, another helpful person offering assistance..
This place isn't all that bad, now is it?

The issue is this I think...
Generally, you need to know something of what you are doing. The reasons are simple;
1) If things start to go wrong, you need to understand enough about the process to at least be able to follow instructions without them having to be written in a specific button-by-button manner,
2) People who blindly follow instructions are bound to miss a step or screw one up simply because they don't understand the instructions (this goes back to #1).
If you are a regular user of an android device, I suggest sticking with a stock build -- they are meant for people who know nothing about the platform. If you are an advanced user, you should be able to get the "gist" of things and fill in the blanks where necessary.
I'm not telling you to gtfo, what I'm telling you is that you really need to think about YOUR level of understanding of how things happen. If you aren't advanced enough to be able to fill in a few blanks here and there, then you might want to think about what you are doing, which is essentially putting a fairly expensive piece of technology into the hands of people you don't know and have no reason to trust. You also have to realize that the instructions that you get from here don't go through months of QA to verify that they are perfectly correct with no chance of, for example, bricking your phone. It is very possible that you could see a bunch of instructions that tell you what to do, but that the author maybe accidentally forgot to include a critical step, and it is absolutely UP TO YOU to be able to see that there is a missing step.

I concur. I have had numerous people ask me for help rooting their g1's. Some I help because they are computer literate and have hacked or altered software on other platforms and hardware. Those that have asked that still need help when basic things go wrong in a windows platform, I say no and tell them to enjoy their Android phone. If they are willing to dive in and learn, my offer may change down the road

What do you need help with?

Anyway to unbrick a hero? HELP?

I got ahead of myself and installed a radio update on a rooted handset running MoDaCo 2. I ran the updater in update mode and than it prompted a restart.
I restarted and it installed the package than next time i looked the screen was dead. the whole units been dead eversince. no reaction to USB/Power, or to any key combo startups...
Please tell me that this is not the end?

probably dead
from what i have read on this issue, if you flash a GSM radio it runs on a higher voltage and kills your phone.
if you have the insurance they most likely wont be able to tell what broke it.

well there isnt anything you can do. I hope you have insurence. this is the only way that we have found to brick these phones, is to flash the GSM radio.
good luck

arcataslacker said:
I got ahead of myself and installed a radio update on a rooted handset running MoDaCo 2. I ran the updater in update mode and than it prompted a restart.
I restarted and it installed the package than next time i looked the screen was dead. the whole units been dead eversince. no reaction to USB/Power, or to any key combo startups...
Please tell me that this is not the end?
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Sorry, this is the end.
I didn't think MoDaCo had a v2 for CDMA heros...maybe thats why it told you to update the radio. Nothing that you can do, I think this is the only thing that has killed a Hero is someone not paying attnetion and updating the radio to a GSM one.

Please no one take this the wrong way, but...
At least once a week there's a thread like this, where someone has fried their phone by flashing the wrong package.
Accidents do happen... that's the way it goes. I've been in the tech industry for over 20 years and I've certainly done my share of "what does this do?", but there are pages and pages (and more pages) relating to the process involved in hacking around on your Hero phone and while it is getting easier to do due to the great work by the devs found here in this forum, reading and comprehension of exactly what it is you're doing should always be your #1 step.
Read, download files, read again, verify that you have the correct items, read some more and then start the process.
It's like the old woodworking saying, measure twice, cut once.
To the OP, it sucks that your phone got fried, but one can hope this serves as another warning to others.

There us definitely a modaco 2.0 cdma. What radio update did you use?

adelaney said:
There us definitely a modaco 2.0 cdma. What radio update did you use?
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It doesn't matter what he used. There are zero radio updates for the CDMA Hero, thus there is no opportunity, at all, to flash something back to the phone that would work.
If you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't be doing it. It's as simple as that. If you do it anyway, you should expect to get burned.

posguy99 said:
It doesn't matter what he used. There are zero radio updates for the CDMA Hero, thus there is no opportunity, at all, to flash something back to the phone that would work.
If you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't be doing it. It's as simple as that. If you do it anyway, you should expect to get burned.
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im sorry to do this because im totaly not into flaming but dude you are a real jerk every post I see from you is condecending and rude. yes you should be sure you know what your doing before you do it but jesus man how did you learn? where you born with total knowledge of the android system? I have posted this to you before, but once again why post anything if you can not be helpfull?

wtphoto said:
im sorry to do this because im totaly not into flaming but dude you are a real jerk every post I see from you is condecending and rude. yes you should be sure you know what your doing before you do it but jesus man how did you learn? where you born with total knowledge of the android system? I have posted this to you before, but once again why post anything if you can not be helpfull?
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10 Char limit my butt....

wtphoto said:
im sorry to do this because im totaly not into flaming but dude you are a real jerk every post I see from you is condecending and rude. yes you should be sure you know what your doing before you do it but jesus man how did you learn? where you born with total knowledge of the android system? I have posted this to you before, but once again why post anything if you can not be helpfull?
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+1000 ..... After reading a couple foul posts from this guy yesterday, I did a search for all of his posts and at least 3/4 of them are condescending and rude, in addition to being completely unnecessary and unhelpful.
Why do you come here and post when you have nothing positive to add and nothing nice to say. Seriosly, get some anger management and dont chime in unless you plan to help and be constructive.

rockcrawler said:
+1000 ..... After reading a couple foul posts from this guy yesterday, I did a search for all of his posts and at least 3/4 of them are condescending and rude, in addition to being completely unnecessary and unhelpful.
Why do you come here and post when you have nothing positive to add and nothing nice to say. Seriosly, get some anger management and dont chime in unless you plan to help and be constructive.
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+1....
was I constructive and helpful?
jk
to OP:
sorry dude... if u have a Sprint CDMA Hero
and you messed with the RADIO
IT is the end of that phone... dead!

As was advised before, take your phone to a Sprint store and fain ignorance. Say, "For the life of me, I tried to turn it on the other day and it just won't respond!" The techs will fart with it for two hours, calling Sprint's techs and attempting every trick in the book to flash it before finally replacing it with a heartfelt apology. Don't tell them anything that you did to it. Just let them make the determination.

posguy99 said:
It doesn't matter what he used. There are zero radio updates for the CDMA Hero, thus there is no opportunity, at all, to flash something back to the phone that would work.
If you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't be doing it. It's as simple as that. If you do it anyway, you should expect to get burned.
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We've all been down this road. Maybe not with flashing a phone, but with other things as well. That's called "learning from your mistake." He got a bit too enthusiastic and had a lapse in judgment...it happens to all of us, including me.
He probably thought he was flashing the MoDaCo CDMA 2.0 ROM for HTC Hero and just accidentally picked up the MoDaCo GSM 2.0 ROM for HTC Hero. Unfortunately, the problem is that the GSM Hero and CDMA Hero are named just that, HTC Hero. There is no real designation to the average user. Even the accessories like batteries between the GSM Hero and the CDMA Hero are different...causing an average user to make a mistake and buy the wrong accessory (got close in buying a battery for the GSM Hero because it was labeled as compatible with "HTC Hero"...only problem was it was for the GSM Hero and not the CDMA Hero, but nowhere on the site said that.)
Go easy on the guy...it's unfortunate, but it happened and now he's learned to be more careful in the future.

tkirton said:
We've all been down this road. Maybe not with flashing a phone, but with other things as well. That's called "learning from your mistake." He got a bit too enthusiastic and had a lapse in judgment...it happens to all of us, including me.
He probably thought he was flashing the MoDaCo CDMA 2.0 ROM for HTC Hero and just accidentally picked up the MoDaCo GSM 2.0 ROM for HTC Hero. Unfortunately, the problem is that the GSM Hero and CDMA Hero are named just that, HTC Hero. There is no real designation to the average user. Even the accessories like batteries between the GSM Hero and the CDMA Hero are different...causing an average user to make a mistake and buy the wrong accessory (got close in buying a battery for the GSM Hero because it was labeled as compatible with "HTC Hero"...only problem was it was for the GSM Hero and not the CDMA Hero, but nowhere on the site said that.)
Go easy on the guy...it's unfortunate, but it happened and now he's learned to be more careful in the future.
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So curiosity kills me here. If 1.6+ has CDMA support in the future could we potentially have 1 set of roms for both devices?? I guess that is probably just wishful thinking due to other differences, doesn't change the fact the radio is still different and a different driver, not just kernel level stuff.
Ignore me i make less sense as i ramble.

Kcarpenter said:
So curiosity kills me here. If 1.6+ has CDMA support in the future could we potentially have 1 set of roms for both devices?? I guess that is probably just wishful thinking due to other differences, doesn't change the fact the radio is still different and a different driver, not just kernel level stuff.
Ignore me i make less sense as i ramble.
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Theoretically, yes. The ROM should be able to determine which radio is in there and set the settings accordingly (including loading the correct driver).
But, that's in theory. Not sure if that is how this going to play out at 2.1 (since that's the next release for our phone).

wtphoto said:
where you born with total knowledge of the android system?
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Hardly. I learn something every day.
But it doesn't take "total knowledge of the Android system" to know that:
(A) This over here isn't meant for my phone
(B) People repeatedly post saying "don't do it!"
(C) People who do it anyway report bricking their phone
should lead to:
(D) I really shouldn't do that.
It just takes normal reasoning ability.
I have zero problem with someone who says "gee, I don't understand the difference, will you tell me?"... but the one who decides to do something, I am going to assume the same of him that I would hope he assumes of me.
That he has a clue.
People who don't have a clue should be expecting to be reminded of the fact. This is how people *learn*. Conversely, if I make some stupid mistake, I hope someone pokes ME about it, too.
XDA is a great resource. If only more people would actually use it.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled fora.

To OP:
Do what they said and play it ignorant at a repair center, they will have no clue what happened and give you a new phone.
Well I have insurance so maybe that is why but who knows.
Don't worry OP I did the same mistake, just keep reading and you will be fine. Don't be afraid to get back into the modding scene, just read up before you try anything next time, and maybe create a thread to verify you have a solid process before doing it, once you learn everything that you need to be successful.

arcataslacker said:
I got ahead of myself and installed a radio update on a rooted handset running MoDaCo 2. I ran the updater in update mode and than it prompted a restart.
I restarted and it installed the package than next time i looked the screen was dead. the whole units been dead eversince. no reaction to USB/Power, or to any key combo startups...
Please tell me that this is not the end?
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Okay...once you get your phone back from Sprint and you want to mod it again, my suggestion is to stick to the Hero CDMA subforum for your ROMs. All are guaranteed not to brick your phone.
The Darktremor has a list and links to updated ROMs.

Thanks for the info guys!
there are no sprint stores near by but I should be able to call support about it.
I know its a no no but they wouldn't be able to tell if the MEID was 0ed out would they?

arcataslacker said:
Thanks for the info guys!
there are no sprint stores near by but I should be able to call support about it.
I know its a no no but they wouldn't be able to tell if the MEID was 0ed out would they?
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No...without actually getting into the phone, they can't tell if you messed with it. And since the phone is dead, they won't be able to tell you tried to mod it. Just do what everyone here says and play ignorant.

Steps to protect private info upon selling G1

Caveat: I am a noob and tried to search first but got too many conflicting threads which did not entirely apply to my phone as far as I could understand. Please no flaming if I am beating a dead horse. I swear the horse died before I started beating it.
You may have read my recent thread where I had asked about how to fix my g1 which was sold to me and the rom crashed leaving it "soft bricked".
Since it was taking so long and I got a good deal on it, I went ahead and bought the Samsung Galaxy S. While waiting for this phone to ship, I have fixed the G1 through the unlocker website's guide for one click rooting.
I started to begin the sign in process after re-rooting the phone with unlocker's generic mod but then thought better since my phone would sync.
My question is since I have gone through the unlocker website's process to re-root the phone, is there any personal info left on the phone that I should remove and how would I do that?
Would it be better, if by re-rooting the phone it wipes all info, to sell it as is?
Should I jail break it and sell it and therefore get more for it?
Should I keep the the sd card?
The phone is in good condition with only minor damage to the sides from dropping it, a screen protector and worked perfectly when I signed in on the original platform.img and I have two batteries for it; the double size and original and two backs and one protective case which I could not put on the larger backing of the larger battery which I should have looked harder for one to fit it eliminating the aesthetic scuffs on the side.
All advice is appreciated; thanks guys.
P.S. I will resist messing with the Samsung or at least backup more often b/c I lost a lot of buisness info when the G1 crashed. Although, I have already applied the GPS fix...it was on cnet for goodness sakes, how could I resist?

Just wipe and reflash any rom... No user data will be left...
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junkdruggler said:
Just wipe and reflash any rom... No user data will be left...
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NOT TRUE!!!!!
Wiping ***DOES NOT*** clear data!
In fact, wiping ONLY clears the FIRST 128 KB of the partition selected for wipe!
If you want to do a proper wipe, you should wipe (also called FORMAT) both the userdata and cache partitions from RECOVERY, mount them in their usual spots, and run "dd if=/dev/zero of=/data/zerofile; dd if=/dev/zero of=/cache/zerofile; sync; rm /data/zerofile /cache/zerofile -f". This line in quotes will write a ZERO to EVERY LOCATION within both the cache and userdata partitions, ensuring that the data is there but not visible, is obliterated.

Re poll question:
Jailbreak that mofo
-- can't break out of a jail that never existed. ANDROID DOES NOT USE CHROOT JAILS.
Keep it rooted, buyers like no assembly required
-- and idiots screw themselves up when they don't know what they're doing....
Vanillarize it/keep it stock; would you buy a toyota home modified into a racecar
-- the meaning of this option is partially indecypherable. I assume you mean "make it stock". Would you really, as a decent human being, lock the buyer out of accessing the device that they legitimately own and have the right to use as they wish?
Jailbreak it and keep it rooted because people like a little coke in their weed
-- again, you can't break out of a jail that does not exist and never has!
You forgot the option to install a stock ROM along with an ENGINEERING BOOTLOADER. If they don't know what they're doing, they won't as likely screw it up. If they DO know what they're doing, they'll be able to use it.

lbcoder said:
Re poll question:
Jailbreak that mofo
-- can't break out of a jail that never existed. ANDROID DOES NOT USE CHROOT JAILS.
Keep it rooted, buyers like no assembly required
-- and idiots screw themselves up when they don't know what they're doing....
Vanillarize it/keep it stock; would you buy a toyota home modified into a racecar
-- the meaning of this option is partially indecypherable. I assume you mean "make it stock". Would you really, as a decent human being, lock the buyer out of accessing the device that they legitimately own and have the right to use as they wish?
Jailbreak it and keep it rooted because people like a little coke in their weed
-- again, you can't break out of a jail that does not exist and never has!
You forgot the option to install a stock ROM along with an ENGINEERING BOOTLOADER. If they don't know what they're doing, they won't as likely screw it up. If they DO know what they're doing, they'll be able to use it.
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No I don't mean lock them out. I mean installing the STOCK/OEM/INCLUDED IN EVERY BOX platform. I don't understand where you are getting this "lock them out" idea; your first post helpful; your second post a little asidic. Drop the Ph a little. Vanilla has a boring connotation like the stock software which is nothing fancy but nice and safe. Perhaps analogies, metaphors and a touch of misunderstood humor goes over your head. I would add some ad hominem speculation as to why you are speaking so but whatever you are irritated about allow me to quote the Beatles, "Let it be". I would want a little more use out of someone with 2000+ posts as a forum is only as good as its leaders.

dejavecu said:
I would want a little more use out of someone with 2000+ posts as a forum is only as good as its leaders.
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Your poll is meaningless in the Android world. You talk about both "root" and "jailbreak" as if they are two different things. One doesn't mean anything. lbcoder was trying to help you understand the thing you're trying to sell.

Shrivel said:
Your poll is meaningless in the Android world. You talk about both "root" and "jailbreak" as if they are two different things. One doesn't mean anything. lbcoder was trying to help you understand the thing you're trying to sell.
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Uggh, notice how I did not reply to his advice except for reverting it to stock and "locking" out the consumer; I found that "indecypherable" but that was much more an issue with tone than the advice itself. Maybe American technology slang is different or I am using it improperly. I don't know which so, to all, if jailbreak is meaningless to you then forget it and please just keep the thread to advice on what you would do. Thanks.

dejavecu said:
Uggh, notice how I did not reply to his advice except for reverting it to stock and "locking" out the consumer; I found that "indecypherable" but that was much more an issue with tone than the advice itself. Maybe American technology slang is different or I am using it improperly. I don't know which so, to all, if jailbreak is meaningless to you then forget it and please just keep the thread to advice on what you would do. Thanks.
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Look, very simple:
IF you install the stock garbage that comes with the phone, then you ARE LOCKING THE PURCHASER OUT because it will then need to be HACKED to gain proper access.
Also: If YOU do not understand the meaning of certain terms, DO NOT USE THEM!
JAIL has NOTHING to do with ROOT.
JAIL is NOT USED on Android AT ALL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroot

How do I downgrade to 2.1?

I have the cognition beta5 installed right now and I would like to go back to 2.1 becouse my market downloads are slow very slow and my battery drains too. Is there a super noob way to down grade and if u could please tell me exactly step by step thx
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You got cognition on your phone, so you must have visited the developer forum...
Have you even tried to find the answer on your own? I know you are asking for help, but didn't you look up "how to restore to stock" before you started? What if there is no way - like on some other phones? Why would you do a major mod, without looking up how to go back before you even started?
Try the first post in the developer section - the stickied one - the captivate bible.

Look for odin one click to down grade. I believe there is a thread dedicated to it. I've noticed some off things in the market but nothing worth downgrading for.
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Alphadog I know it can be downgraded but I could not find the post that says how it can be done thats why I asked
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I must agree with what Alphadog said. You did not even bother to search. If you did there's absolutely no reason why this thread would be here. It's on the first page of the Android Development Section of these forums. You can't fricking miss it. But because you did, here's the link. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731989

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You got cognition on your phone, so you must have visited the developer forum...
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Stewart, shut up and stop flaming before you get banned. Just some friendly advice. You might just want to edit out that last post of yours.
Sent from my Captivate

stewart must be a tard
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miztaken1312 said:
Stewart, shut up and stop flaming before you get banned. Just some friendly advice. You might just want to edit out that last post of yours.
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You can't be banned from a site like this, if so you just open up another user name and email....come on guys you must be new, but just for you i will delete it, i just hate when a new person gets on here and is treated like dirt. The guy asked a simple question...just answer "yes or no" thats it no need for the "extra advise" especially if you can't be nice about it. Besides how do you know the guy never bothered to search...thats an assumption on your part and when you assume you just...well you know. Don't assume just answer the question without being a jerk about it. A smart comment can be hidden behind what was suppose to be "friendly advise" and it's plain to see that this alpha dog was being smart assuming that the guy had not done his homework before making changes to his phone. At the end of the day...this release was not a good release, as we can see a lot of members on this site are having problems with their phones now. This is phone hacking using an leaked aka stolen version of froyo 2.2 that was patched together. We all took a chance and downloaded it at our own risk and now some members are paying for it because that's what happens when you accept stolen merchandise sometimes there are consequenses. Once you download this version of froyo the android market does not recognize the new version of the firmware and so a lot of apps are no longer available for you on the market unless you uninstall it put your phone back to eclair 2.1 and then try to access the market to find you missing apps. Now there is an Official version of froyo that is going to be released and anyone who downloaded the leaked aka stolen version will not and i repeat will not get the ota update from att this has been stated because the att server no longer recognizes your phones firmware version. Once again you will have to use your USB cable and pray that the "iffy" samsung keis application will see your phones stolen firmware and allow you to update to the leagle version of froyo 2.2 that should be a lot more stable then the the leaked...aka stolen version that everyone fell for.

These things are always "install at your own risk". If you screw it up, be prepared to figure out how to fix it. What Alphadog was trying to get at, is that if you just search, heck you don't even need to do that as all the answers are on the first page of the Dev subforum, you can figure out how to do it. He's also right in saying people need to do their homework before they mod their phone. You NEED a plan. You need to know how to be able to start anew should something get borked or you need to return it or something else.
It is irritating lately that these forums have been getting filled with really nooby questions like how to assign a picture to a contact. If everyone would spend some time using the phone or using google or searching the forums, the answer would be blatantly obvious. I think for the most part we're all just fed up with these questions, but instead of "being smart assed" about it and flaming, we just need to ignore the thread and let someone else deal with it.

miztaken1312 said:
These things are always "install at your own risk". If you screw it up, be prepared to figure out how to fix it. What Alphadog was trying to get at, is that if you just search, heck you don't even need to do that as all the answers are on the first page of the Dev subforum, you can figure out how to do it. He's also right in saying people need to do their homework before they mod their phone. You NEED a plan. You need to know how to be able to start anew should something get borked or you need to return it or something else.
It is irritating lately that these forums have been getting filled with really nooby questions like how to assign a picture to a contact. If everyone would spend some time using the phone or using google or searching the forums, the answer would be blatantly obvious. I think for the most part we're all just fed up with these questions, but instead of "being smart assed" about it and flaming, we just need to ignore the thread and let someone else deal with it.
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That is true...or people who tend to be arogant in their thinking and looking down on folks who are not able to figure it out should use another forum. Thats all im trying to say. Heck what is the forum here for if not to help people. Check this out...I work in the mortgage forclosure industry..thats what i do im the guy that will put your home on the auction block if you can't pay for it for any reason. Poeple call me all the time all day long because they didn't read through their loan note before settlement or they were not informed during the settlement process as to what would happen if they didn't pay their mortgage. I don't get rude with them, i try to assist them because i have knowlege that could help them, imformation that they don't have. I don't want to see them get put out so i try to assist them by pointing them in the right direction over and over again no matter how often they call asking the same question.
My point? This is unchartered territory for some people, some of them don't even know how to use a forum...i wasn't born knowing how to write blog or use a forum. I had to ask questions sometimes over and over again. I had to research as well. But come on man these are 200.00 phones and for some folks thats a lot of money. If they mess up their phone ATT won't help them at all. Not to mention, unless you can get that samsung kies working on your computer your "might" be stuck with the stolen version of froyo 2.2 which as you can see is very very glitchy for some people.
Yes the sight says to mod at your own risk...but how can you dangle candy in someone face like that and expect them not to take the risk. Besides can you imagine what this country would be like if we had informed shoppers who did their homework before the shopped...this economy would be worse off then what it is, because people would think before they shopped or played around with their 200.00 smart phone taking a risk on damaging it for good.

stewart2568 said:
That is true...or people who tend to be arogant in their thinking and looking down on folks who are not able to figure it out should use another forum. Thats all im trying to say. Heck what is the forum here for if not to help people. Check this out...I work in the mortgage forclosure industry..thats what i do im the guy that will put your home on the auction block if you can't pay for it for any reason. Poeple call me all the time all day long because they didn't read through their loan note before settlement or they were not informed during the settlement process as to what would happen if they didn't pay their mortgage. I don't get rude with them, i try to assist them because i have knowlege that could help them, imformation that they don't have. I don't want to see them get put out so i try to assist them by pointing them in the right direction over and over again no matter how often they call asking the same question.
My point? This is unchartered territory for some people, some of them don't even know how to use a forum...i wasn't born knowing how to write blog or use a forum. I had to ask questions sometimes over and over again. I had to research as well. But come on man these are 200.00 phones and for some folks thats a lot of money. If they mess up their phone ATT won't help them at all. Not to mention, unless you can get that samsung kies working on your computer your "might" be stuck with the stolen version of froyo 2.2 which as you can see is very very glitchy for some people.
Yes the sight says to mod at your own risk...but how can you dangle candy in someone face like that and expect them not to take the risk. Besides can you imagine what this country would be like if we had informed shoppers who did their homework before the shopped...this economy would be worse off then what it is, because people would think before they shopped or played around with their 200.00 smart phone taking a risk on damaging it for good.
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If you want to spoon feed the entire world, that is your choice.
But defending people for their lack of judgment and research makes you look equally ignorant.
The point, at the beginning of this thread, is that if people just bothered TO TRY, they would find answers. Or just read the first post of a mod thread. I would think the words "this could brick your phone" would mean something. But no, most people are so used to bailouts and handouts that they don't stop to learn. I pointed the OP in the right direction - the information is there if he/she looked.
Oh, and if we had informed shoppers - we wouldn't have the mortgage mess we have now. People blame the banks, but it is idiot consumers that buy more then they can afford, get zero down loans, balloon loans, and hope their house goes up in value so they can refinance later.
The idea that more informed shoppers would make the economy worse is comical.

alphadog00 said:
If you want to spoon feed the entire world, that is your choice.
But defending people for their lack of judgment and research makes you look equally ignorant.
The point, at the beginning of this thread, is that if people just bothered TO TRY, they would find answers. Or just read the first post of a mod thread. I would think the words "this could brick your phone" would mean something. But no, most people are so used to bailouts and handouts that they don't stop to learn. I pointed the OP in the right direction - the information is there if he/she looked.
Oh, and if we had informed shoppers - we wouldn't have the mortgage mess we have now. People blame the banks, but it is idiot consumers that buy more then they can afford, get zero down loans, balloon loans, and hope their house goes up in value so they can refinance later.
The idea that more informed shoppers would make the economy worse is comical.
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Wow. So the OP didn't read enough before jumping. I was guilty of the sane thing. The forum takes some time to get used to. Not certain it warrants your rant. You clicked on the thread, why just so you can yell at someone?
OP look for Odin in development. If you are on beta 5 it is the only way to go back. I hope you have a PC and not a Mac
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Signature Checks on Boot

Just so everyone is aware, the kernel and the recovery partition signatures are checked on each boot, changing those will leave you with a brick, until we have proper firmware to recovery with.
I found out the hard way.
On my second Atrix now.

Casualty of war

Taking one for the team

Well that sucks..
any free partitions that we can "steal"? and basically pull a haret where it loads partially from legit bootloader and kernel, then shuffles off to a different partition we CAN write for the real kernel, unloads all that other stuff and then launches the new kernel partiion we've modified?

designgears said:
Just so everyone is aware, the kernel and the recovery partition signatures are checked on each boot, changing those will leave you with a brick, until we have proper firmware to recovery with.
I found out the hard way.
On my second Atrix now.
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I guess that when we told you this, you just had to find out for yourself. The recovery should only be checked when you attempt to access it, but the kernel is checked on every boot. I hope you did not return to store as defective.

DG, thank you for putting yourself out there, and putting together roms along with the dev work.
Its nice to see some progress being done along side all the people on here saying what we shouldnt be doing/trying with our phones.

Athailias said:
DG, thank you for putting yourself out there, and putting together roms along with the dev work.
Its nice to see some progress being done along side all the people on here saying what we shouldnt be doing/trying with our phones.
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Don't thank him for repeating something which had been confirmed.

jimmydafish said:
I guess that when we told you this, you just had to find out for yourself. The recovery should only be checked when you attempt to access it, but the kernel is checked on every boot. I hope you did not return to store as defective.
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So you told me it was checked every boot (first bold), but it should only be checked when you access it (second bold)? Confused, on drugs or what?
I just found out the hard way for you, it's checked every boot accessed or not.
If you want to be elitist and not post up a FAQ about what you know (do you even have an atrix), please stop posting in here, you've done nothing but spout off what you know about other moto devices, it is clear they tightened things down a bit more.
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Don't thank him for repeating something which had been confirmed.
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everything you guys say, along with others says it SHOULD be checked when accessed, which means I should have been able to boot normally and fail when I boot recovery.
You guys keep saying its CONFIRMED, where is it documented for the atrix. Tests performed with document results as proof.

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So you told me it was checked every boot (first bold), but it should only be checked when you access it (second bold)? Confused, on drugs or what?
I just found out the hard way for you, it's checked every boot accessed or not.
If you want to be elitist and not post up a FAQ about what you know (do you even have an atrix), please stop posting in here, you've done nothing but spout off what you know about other moto devices, it is clear they tightened things down a bit more.
everything you guys say, along with others says it SHOULD be checked when accessed, which means I should have been able to boot normally and fail when I boot recovery.
You guys keep saying its CONFIRMED, where is it documented for the atrix. Tests performed with document results as proof.
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What is being elitist by my statement? That before you started playing with your shiny new toy, we advised that doing certain things with your phone without proper firmware to restore your phone, WOULD result in a "soft brick".
I do not have a motorola ATRIX, never said I did, but I can read the firmware pretty well. If your offended by my post I assume it is because offered up my standard line of "hope you did not return it as defective", because nothing else in that statement should lead you behave like a child.
Here how about this for a Facts, my rom was the first to safely remove Blur from the Droid series of phones safely, after reading the firmware from your phone, and your deodexed version of the firmware there are many portions you could remove safely.
If you have questions you could ask and get the answers, but as it stands right now, we are just trying to help you save yourselves. Many people will enter these forums, and while each person is responsible for their own device, they will try to follow what you have done and they too will soft brick their phone. I'm not sure of your ethical and moral makeup but too many people return their manipulated device to the provider as defective causing every to pay for their mistake.
I just hope you bought another Atrix outright and did not scam ATT/Motorola.

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So you told me it was checked every boot (first bold), but it should only be checked when you access it (second bold)? Confused, on drugs or what?
I just found out the hard way for you, it's checked every boot accessed or not.
If you want to be elitist and not post up a FAQ about what you know (do you even have an atrix), please stop posting in here, you've done nothing but spout off what you know about other moto devices, it is clear they tightened things down a bit more.
everything you guys say, along with others says it SHOULD be checked when accessed, which means I should have been able to boot normally and fail when I boot recovery.
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DesignGears,
Please don't let a claim-to-know-it-all self-righteous Prick like jimmydafish discourage your efforts.
As far as I'm concerned (and probably the majority of people who mash the refresh button on this subforum multiple times a day would agree) it's people like you (people who have actively contributed to the users here at XDA in the past (all your captivate work)), that make me feel lucky to own the same type of device that you and other dedicated devs like yourself own.
Its hard to imagine how someone who probably played a very small part on a team -- a team that, as far as I can tell, has never managed to actually produce any real results on the DX -- can know so much about a device he doesn't even own.
And if reading this post encourages members of any such team to get their panties in a wad and start talking about how they are not going to contribute here now, well then to that I say: good riddance. For every one small tip you may provide it seams like you offer two holier-than-thou-doughe-bag-comments that frankly this section of this forum could do without.
But again, thank you DesginGears and Devs like you

mburris said:
DesignGears,
Please don't let a claim-to-know-it-all self-righteous Prick like jimmydafish discourage your efforts.
As far as I'm concerned (and probably the majority of people who mash the refresh button on this subforum multiple times a day would agree) it's people like you (people who have actively contributed to the users here at XDA in the past (all your captivate work)), that make me feel lucky to own the same type of device that you and other dedicated devs like yourself own.
Its hard to imagine how someone who probably played a very small part on a team -- a team that, as far as I can tell, has never managed to actually produce any real results on the DX -- can know so much about a device he doesn't even own.
And if reading this post encourages members of any such team to get their panties in a wad and start talking about how they are not going to contribute here now, well then to that I say: good riddance. For every one small tip you may provide it seams like you offer two holier-than-thou-doughe-bag-comments that frankly this section of this forum could do without.
But again, thank you DesginGears and Devs like you
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I can assure you I am not, glad to have support.
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Jimmy, no hard feelins, sorry I wanted try something and learn from it, sorry you told me two opposing things in the same post(this is what I am *****ing about if you would read you would know that), sorry I act like a child, I guess calling it how I see it is childish. From all the PM's about you I just got and mburris reply, you have made my block list, have fun in there with rafy.

jimmydafish said:
I just hope you bought another Atrix outright and did not scam ATT/Motorola.
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Maybe if more people softbricked and returned phones that have locked down bootloaders, oems and carriers might finally realize that when someone buys a piece of technology, they own it, and would like to use it as such.
That includes:
1. Not having some POS skin on top of stock android (Blur)
2. Not being locked into paying twice for the data we already pay for (tethering)
3. Not being allowed to easily install non-market apps that we develop without jumping through hoops (slide loading)
4. Not having to wait for the carrier or oem mfg to release an update before we can have a current version of Android.
Call it a Brick-n-Return Protest

mburris said:
Maybe if more people softbricked and returned phones that have locked down bootloaders, oems and carriers might finally realize that when someone buys a piece of technology, they own it, and would like to use it as such.
That includes:
1. Not having some POS skin on top of stock android (Blur)
2. Not being locked into paying twice for the data we already pay for (tethering)
3. Not being allowed to easily install non-market apps that we develop without jumping through hoops (slide loading)
4. Not having to wait for the carrier or oem mfg to release an update before we can have a current version of Android.
Call it a Brick-n-Return Protest
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LOL, that would surely cause some grief over at at&t, and a good laugh.
They would probably start leasing the phones so you can't say you own them.

Closed by OP request as this is an informational thread stating results of testing.