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Can somebody pleace explain this?

ok, i've already signed the drivers perition for the kaiser on his forum but there is something that i do not understand. say htc does agre to give us the drivers, wont this be a hardware change or will it be a software on. if hardware thing then how wil they pull back all of the already sold kaisers? if it's a software change, cam' somebody here cook a rom that will get the drivers working? watching vids on the tilt isn't the greatest so can somebody please explain this to me. thanks

kareem9nba said:
ok, i've already signed the drivers perition for the kaiser on his forum but there is something that i do not understand. say htc does agre to give us the drivers, wont this be a hardware change or will it be a software on. if hardware thing then how wil they pull back all of the already sold kaisers? if it's a software change, cam' somebody here cook a rom that will get the drivers working? watching vids on the tilt isn't the greatest so can somebody please explain this to me. thanks
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Drivers are a set of instructions for the hardware...

In short:
Software

Well to explain it a little bit, the problem on the actual firmware/drivers is, that they aren't optimized enough for the video performance stuff... so they want htc to work on the drivers for that stuff, to use the full capacity of the current internal hardware!
So the hardware it self is good and has the capacity for improvements, but the htc frimware/drivers are not able to use it.
So if HTC works on the driver they can get a lot more power/performance out of the current hardware

Imagine someone selling computer chips without telling anyone how to use them. Chips need to receive a specific set of instructions and provide a specific set of results.
We are not mad that HTC sold us a device that is missing a chip, we are mad that HTC sold us a chip that doesn't fully function. They have sold us an engine without the timing computer and are telling us we should push our cars everywhere.

gthing said:
Imagine someone selling computer chips without telling anyone how to use them. Chips need to receive a specific set of instructions and provide a specific set of results.
We are not mad that HTC sold us a device that is missing a chip, we are mad that HTC sold us a chip that doesn't fully function. They have sold us an engine without the timing computer and are telling us we should push our cars everywhere.
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I'm so over this whole "HTC owes me", and so on... At the end of the day, it plays back videos. Not as well as it could, agreed - But it plays them. This is not the PRIMARY function of the device - please stop comparing it to the cars engine. Keep it in perspective... I'd say this function is more comparable it to say a cars factory stereo system.
HTC didn't sell you a video player, they sold you a phone, that also has HEAPS of other functions, video playback being ONE of them. So many things about the phone are great, but that doesn't seem to matter apparantly.
The Kaiser is a huge improvement in many ways over the Hermes, so I think it's a fantastic product
Sorry, but time for everyone to just get over that "I'm a victim" attitude already... Every second thread there's non stop whining about it.
I can't believe no one else seems to agree with me on this.... absolutely ridiculous.

greeek said:
I can't believe no one else seems to agree with me on this.... absolutely ridiculous.
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I do.. Wholeheartedly!

so youre moaning about people moaning?

fusi said:
so youre moaning about people moaning?
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Ha Ha.. ya got me there!! Good one.

Well then, can't some good rom cooker cook a rom with the included drivers that perfects the tilt?

kareem9nba said:
Well then, can't some good rom cooker cook a rom with the included drivers that perfects the tilt?
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Well, they can't cook in software drivers that don't exist yet.
Maybe when a product that uses the same chip that also has the proper drivers comes out.
Now I agree with the poster that says it's not a big deal, it is a phone after all. But if we can get it implemented even better. I wouldn't go crazy over it, but there nothing wrong with keeping the manufacturers honest so they give us the best product possible.

greeek said:
I'm so over this whole "HTC owes me", and so on...
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Sorry mate, but even when compared with a car stereo the lack of proper drivers is a major issue.
Imagine buying a new BMW E92 as an upgrade from E46, with a Pioneer/Kenwood/Sony/Altec Lansing/Sehnheiser speaker system installed and wired to a... TAPEDECK, which also happens to be out of sync with the cassete and does not have enough power to drive the speakers, at all, and I'm talking about whisper-level volume. Sure, it gets you around and looks bling-y and has a bundled GPS and audio playback is not a primary feature of a car, but for some reason your old E46 and your neighbours Toyota Corolla does a better job at it (not to mention that it runs longer on one gas refill).
You paid a big wad of cash for a device advertised and priced as "ultimate", yet it lacks a feature you got used to having on your previous one and the manufacturer doesnt even have the decency to admit its mistake, dont you think you have every bit of a reason to be mad at them?

Yes Mikeer... HTC the big fascist company that it is has robbed you and many others! Everyone is so hard done by, and it's not fair what they've done!
I'll contact 60 minutes, you contact the News, and we'll meet back here in an hour to discuss how we can get whats rightfully ours!!
Those bastards...

greeek said:
Yes Mikeer... HTC the big fascist company that it is has robbed you and many others! Everyone is so hard done by, and it's not fair what they've done!
I'll contact 60 minutes, you contact the News, and we'll meet back here in an hour to discuss how we can get whats rightfully ours!!
Those bastards...
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I see your point and I don't feel HTC owes me anything. HTC should at least, deliver on what they advertise.
My 1st generation Kaiser aka Tmobile MDA played back video without any stutters. I would expect that a successor device developed two hardware cycles later work better than it's little brother.

unorthodoxx said:
I see your point and I don't feel HTC owes me anything. HTC should at least, deliver on what they advertise.
My 1st generation Kaiser aka Tmobile MDA played back video without any stutters. I would expect that a successor device developed two hardware cycles later work better than it's little brother.
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And thats quite simply just one small disappointing factor in the device.
Myself, instead of petitioning and whatever other nonsense, put it down to an aspect of the device that wasn't as good this time around. Next device release, I'd look at it to see if I wanted to go down that path again... If it bothered me that much, I'd move on to a different brand and be done with it...
Build a bridge people...

greeek said:
HTC didn't sell you a video player, they sold you a phone, that also has HEAPS of other functions, video playback being ONE of them. So many things about the phone are great, but that doesn't seem to matter apparantly.
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Actually, it seems too me that its a Pocket PC first, a phone/messaging second .

greeek said:
And thats quite simply just one small disappointing factor in the device.
Myself, instead of petitioning and whatever other nonsense, put it down to an aspect of the device that wasn't as good this time around. Next device release, I'd look at it to see if I wanted to go down that path again... If it bothered me that much, I'd move on to a different brand and be done with it...
Build a bridge people...
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Another disappointing factor is the so-and-so quality of the 3 MP camera. About half of the photos I have shot with my TyTN II have turned out worse than what I got from my old i-mate JASJAM. Auto focus seems to be missing often on landscape shots and has difficulties with infinity:
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Compare the above TyTN II photo with the JASJAM photo I posted here.
Plus that the photo quality looks like 2 MP photos interpolated up to 3 MP size. So I usually keep the camera set to 2 MP :-(
(Apologies for side-tracking the topic of this thread.)
Overall I would say though that I am fairly satisfied but I doubt that my next smartphone will be anything produced by HTC.

abubasim said:
Overall I would say though that I am fairly satisfied but I doubt that my next smartphone will be anything produced by HTC.
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Cool, like I say... next time you may decide not buy HTC - thats the price a company can pay if you don't like their product. Doesn't mean that they are obligated to do anything for you now... At the end of the day, their product does what they said it would - even if it's not to the standard of some of these users...

what are the chances that we will get these drivers? high or low? will it be a whole new rom? maybe windows6.1 or just 6? If they're thinking of 6.1 then we probably wont get these drivers till mid next year. photon will almost be out by then. any chances we get them before the end of the year or no?

greeek said:
I'm so over this whole "HTC owes me", and so on... At the end of the day, it plays back videos. Not as well as it could, agreed - But it plays them. This is not the PRIMARY function of the device - please stop comparing it to the cars engine. Keep it in perspective... I'd say this function is more comparable it to say a cars factory stereo system.
HTC didn't sell you a video player, they sold you a phone, that also has HEAPS of other functions, video playback being ONE of them. So many things about the phone are great, but that doesn't seem to matter apparantly.
The Kaiser is a huge improvement in many ways over the Hermes, so I think it's a fantastic product
Sorry, but time for everyone to just get over that "I'm a victim" attitude already... Every second thread there's non stop whining about it.
I can't believe no one else seems to agree with me on this.... absolutely ridiculous.
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Did you forget about the crappy camera?

Should I Not Buy New Kaiser Because of Video Problems?

Hi All,
I currently own an HTC magician. I want a new phone with everything the magician has plus GPS, WIFI, more RAM, and a keyboard. The only phone I found that comes close is the Kaiser, but I've heard such bad things about the video driver problem.
Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?
Do I have any other options with those specs?
Thanks,
Daniel

I have a Kaiser and I am very happy with it, because I can do so much with it. However if a bit of lag annoys you greatly it may not be for you.
Surur

NO. Wait some time whether the issue get resolved. Its not only the video - the whole phone is slow. You can not browse, rotating you screen. If i make a call with skype, the phone is really very slow and if i slide the keyboard and the screen orientation switches it can take up to minute to be updated - with nothing in background and free mem - only skype running. And until it switches you cant hang up, change the volume...nothing.
To be honest, i regret buying the Kaiser. And if i see how fast a cheap HiPhone can be, omg!
I wonder how HTC can have this on their webpage: More powerful than anything you've seen before, the HTC TyTN II takes communications to the next level.
You have to be blind a live 5years back, for the slogan to be true...
I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
Beware!

wait for kaiser fix

If video is not heavily used, buy it now. I bought it recently and like it very mcuh. But higher performance is still demanded...

fredbred said:
I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
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better device with 3g, wifi, and wm6? like what?
get the kaiser...it's no slower then any other wm6 device out there and although yes it would be nice if we could play more games, normal res video runs perfectly fine.

fredbred said:
NO. Wait some time whether the issue get resolved. Its not only the video - the whole phone is slow. You can not browse, rotating you screen. If i make a call with skype, the phone is really very slow and if i slide the keyboard and the screen orientation switches it can take up to minute to be updated - with nothing in background and free mem - only skype running. And until it switches you cant hang up, change the volume...nothing.
To be honest, i regret buying the Kaiser. And if i see how fast a cheap HiPhone can be, omg!
I wonder how HTC can have this on their webpage: More powerful than anything you've seen before, the HTC TyTN II takes communications to the next level.
You have to be blind a live 5years back, for the slogan to be true...
I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
Beware!
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This may all be true if you're still using the stock ROM. There are some really smokin' cooked ROMs out there that really speed things up and make the Kaiser a truly enjoyable device.
One other thing, show me a PC that doesn't slow down once in awhile. That's what defrag is for.

Delta_flyer said:
One other thing, show me a PC that doesn't slow down once in awhile. That's what defrag is for.
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So you equate flashing a cooked ROM with clicking the "Defrag" button? One is a feature built into the operating system, the other can void your warranty and potentially brick your device. They're nowhere near the same thing.
I'm telling everybody I know to avoid HTC like the plague. Not so much directly because of the video issues, but because of their lack of accountability. They deliberately released a crippled device in hopes that nobody would notice, and are now working on some half-assed "fix" only because of the publicity that was generated by the XDA community.

Get one. I was in the same boat hesitating about the drivers. I am glad i made my decision. I upgraded from a 8525. Glad i did i have everything i need in one device. GPS Wifi, processing power. Im not sure what the full potential of this chip is supposed to be but its fast. I actually got mine refurbished from att about a month ago. After using it i ended up buying another one today for my wife and paying full price. Im not disatisfied. Definatly waht i would expect out of a 400 dollar phone.

Like most answers, it lives in the question.
"Because of Video Problems". Do you need or want to view videos not converted to 320x240 resolution? If you do need or want that that from your new expensive mobile device, then pass. ---- NO KAISER FOR YOU!
If you want a snappy interface and quick file browsing experience, then wait for the HTC "fixes". But still forget lag-free video at source resolutions above 320x240. ---------- > Get a Kaiser, and hope you can fix it.
Do you want fancy graphical VGA games or anything 3D? Forget the Kaiser.
Do you want a Windows Mobile 6 device that has real GPS, WiFi, 3G, Edge, 2 cameras (one for video calls, one for decent pics), querty keyboard, and bluetooth? And are able to put up with the device doing NONE of those things particularly well, then ----> Get a Kaiser.
I have a Kaiser. I live through its quirks. Its a fun device depending on your definition of "fun".
Do I regret paying $850+ for my device even knowing I was an early adopter? Yes. The device advertised was not the device delivered.
Would I discourage others from buying it at a $200 USD price point? No.
But then again, its up to you and what you expect from your device.

With Schap's ROM (4.31) and Coreplayer 1.2 i needn't a fix for "video pb"
I don't play 3D game.

Do not listen to most of what the naysayers have to say here. I have an iMate K-Jam and now I have an HTC TyTN II. I have done many comparison tests between the two devices. The TyTN II wins HANDS DOWN!!!
Driver problems? What driver problems? I have yet to find any lag on any video except maybe a bit on the camcorder app, but that's not a big issue. I watch full feature movies on Coreplayer and I have used TCPMP and WM Player with wayyyyyyyy BETTER performance than on my K-Jam!!!
Don't even think about it, go right ahead and buy a TyTN II, you will not regret it. Problem is most people drag these devices through their backsides and then they complain about this and that. They replace roms, install and uninstall all sorts of crap and then they wonder why it's acting up!!!
I have had my TyTN II since the 15th January this year and I have not experienced any of the so-called problems mentioned by some in this forum. OK, the battery does get used up quicker, but then again it has so much packed in and you can get 3000 mAH batteries now!!!
This sub-forum (Kaiser) is more like the Cheese & Whine forum!!!
BUY IT!!!!

Hey is this a HTC deHey is this a HTC dealer Thread?
The TyTN isn’t a finished device. There are much more bugs and “features” which should be avoid.
1 Video – its really slow. I don’t mind games, I even don’t watch video , because I have other devices for this, but if I wan to scroll the internet page, that’s not the speed I have never seen before! Why takes it so long to switch between portrait and landscape?
And the video from the camera I also pretty slow.
2 Speed – I have used a Fujitsu siemens n560. It was MUCH faster even if it was older and has 64mb ram.
3 The keyboard – this was one of the features why I have chosen tytn. But why they do not think if the do anything. Omg where is the ctrl key? How can you copy and paste? I have always to use the pen for it. No they put rather a key for opening the explorer, which I have used twice so far. And why have I to use the fn key to write a comma? And do you like the style of the keys? Its not even possible to write comfortably the last row of keys if you bent the display? And why are the functions of the keys doubled? Its for disabled people or maybe if you bite off some finger bored from waiting? I would expect that I can configure every key not to have three key for OK two for enter…
And maybe try to write any non-English letter – no we are in the world where no others languages exist.
I tell you, they are not selling what they are telling – What you have been told is not what you get.
What is good – the speed of gps starting, If you use quick gps.
Have a look how fast a under $200 device can be! Put Hiphone in youtube and you will know how fast the screen should react and switch.
Its not only about the damn driver, the parts of the phone are not finished. Not if the producer tells you: It’s the best you can get...

fredbred said:
Hey is this a HTC deHey is this a HTC dealer Thread?
The TyTN isn’t a finished device. There are much more bugs and “features” which should be avoid.
1 Video – its really slow. I don’t mind games, I even don’t watch video , because I have other devices for this, but if I wan to scroll the internet page, that’s not the speed I have never seen before! Why takes it so long to switch between portrait and landscape?
And the video from the camera I also pretty slow.
2 Speed – I have used a Fujitsu siemens n560. It was MUCH faster even if it was older and has 64mb ram.
3 The keyboard – this was one of the features why I have chosen tytn. But why they do not think if the do anything. Omg where is the ctrl key? How can you copy and paste? I have always to use the pen for it. No they put rather a key for opening the explorer, which I have used twice so far. And why have I to use the fn key to write a comma? And do you like the style of the keys? Its not even possible to write comfortably the last row of keys if you bent the display? And why are the functions of the keys doubled? Its for disabled people or maybe if you bite off some finger bored from waiting? I would expect that I can configure every key not to have three key for OK two for enter…
And maybe try to write any non-English letter – no we are in the world where no others languages exist.
I tell you, they are not selling what they are telling – What you have been told is not what you get.
What is good – the speed of gps starting, If you use quick gps.
Have a look how fast a under $200 device can be! Put Hiphone in youtube and you will know how fast the screen should react and switch.
Its not only about the damn driver, the parts of the phone are not finished. Not if the producer tells you: It’s the best you can get...
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which is why you should try a cooked rom. the internet scrolling thing u mention? its a bug in pie, there;s a fix for that......if you decide to stick to pie, cause lets face it, pie is a pile of **** anyways. try opera mini or mobile. oh and btw......i did get my tilt for under $200
as for the OPs question, there are tons of posts here about the performance of these devices (you might also want to look in the upgrading section to see the performance of cooked roms) and I'm not gonna dd anymore to it. At the end of the day, you are the one who has to make the decision, and you are the one who will be using this device, my advice to you is just choose wisely......i took the jump and got it even after hearing about the video issues, and i never regretted it.

Just get a Kaiser and wait till end of March when the drivers will be released.

MACkjam said:
Do not listen to most of what the naysayers have to say here. I have an iMate K-Jam and now I have an HTC TyTN II. I have done many comparison tests between the two devices. The TyTN II wins HANDS DOWN!!!
Driver problems? What driver problems? I have yet to find any lag on any video except maybe a bit on the camcorder app, but that's not a big issue. I watch full feature movies on Coreplayer and I have used TCPMP and WM Player with wayyyyyyyy BETTER performance than on my K-Jam!!!
Don't even think about it, go right ahead and buy a TyTN II, you will not regret it. Problem is most people drag these devices through their backsides and then they complain about this and that. They replace roms, install and uninstall all sorts of crap and then they wonder why it's acting up!!!
I have had my TyTN II since the 15th January this year and I have not experienced any of the so-called problems mentioned by some in this forum. OK, the battery does get used up quicker, but then again it has so much packed in and you can get 3000 mAH batteries now!!!
This sub-forum (Kaiser) is more like the Cheese & Whine forum!!!
BUY IT!!!!
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If you buy this phone you'll be taking a risk. It may be a small risk depending on what you'll have to pay, but a risk nonetheless of not being satisfied. At least you will have made your choice in good conscience and aware of the situation. Truth is we shouldn't have to compare this device to much older ones and say it's better. It shouldn't warrant a comparison at all but since it does there is obviously a problem. There are those that will tell you their TyTN II is "SUPER ACCEPTABLE!" but that's hardly the point. I didn't buy this thing believing it would have acceptable performance. This device is supposed to kick ass and we believe it would if it used the complete architecture of the chip inside. I got mine for $700 and my plan here on out is to just grin and bear it. There isn't an alternative device available yet and HTC has us over the fence on this thing. The anticipated fix is not going to address our concern of enabling the second core of the chip we paid for. I can confirm for you my experiences with the TyTN II and keep in mind this is before I 'dragged it through my backside' by flashing the ROM. (By the way why in the world would it matter whether it's been flashed or how many times programs have been installed/uninstalled?)
- Video playback is fine if my source is 320 X 240. I have always re-encoded my video anyway in an effort to save space and optimize everything. For this reason I didn't know there was a video playback problem right away.
- The camera is almost unusable. I have turned on the on-screen fps display and in sunlight I get ~18fps, in ambient light make that ~4fps and if it's semi dark forget about it. This effects taking pictures and taking video. The video I shoot ends up looking like a blurry mess and any picture I take better be of a stationary subject or else I will usually miss the shot. Interestingly enough the device takes great photos though.
- Screen rotation is a sore subject. I want the thing to be fluid but instead I have to watch it redraw slowly and in seperate pieces.
- Scrolling - it isn't certain that scrolling problem is a result of the missing drivers. I have to say that scrolling isn't very good but there is a fix on this forum to make it more reasonable.
- GPS works great, I've never had an issue with it although it kills the battery fast. Especially fast when using Google maps or live search because then you have the active GPRS data session combined with the gps.
- Battery life - I have a 1600mAH bat and I have to charge it every day but then again I auto download podcasts and such so I am partially to blame. As I understand it the drivers would increase battery life.
That's about it from me. Sorry this post is so long, let me wrap it up. I don't think anyone can tell you to buy or not to buy. You'll just have to make a decision yourself. At least it will be an informed decision, unlike mine.
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"Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?"
With all due respect to all you guys complaining about video drivers.. STFU! already.
No one complained until one geeky ass dude bought it up. I have no problems playing my movies on my device or streaming it via orb.com. I get no lag and for god sakes it's a mobile phone not a computer. It surpasses most devices to date. I have no complaint about this phone. This is like my 40th something phone that I've had being that I work for AT&T and they provide me with devices. When the update comes people will still be *****ing about the video drivers. What exactly are you guys trying to watch? Live video feeds from Mars!?
Seriously get the phone you will not be disappointed. For the record my device does not lag when I slide the screen, etc. I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.

even with no video drivers, it's still the best branded phone in the US. theres nothing better. (yet)

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"Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?"
With all due respect to all you guys complaining about video drivers.. STFU! already.
No one complained until one geeky ass dude bought it up. I have no problems playing my movies on my device or streaming it via orb.com. I get no lag and for god sakes it's a mobile phone not a computer. It surpasses most devices to date. I have no complaint about this phone. This is like my 40th something phone that I've had being that I work for AT&T and they provide me with devices. When the update comes people will still be *****ing about the video drivers. What exactly are you guys trying to watch? Live video feeds from Mars!?
Seriously get the phone you will not be disappointed. For the record my device does not lag when I slide the screen, etc. I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.
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AMEN TO THAT BROTHER!!!!! I couldn't agree more with you!!!
I think that people expect to dial to Pluto with live feeds from the nethergalaxy and back!!!

gqstatus0685 said:
...I work for AT&T...
I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.
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Awesome! So it is the official AT&T position that we should all install cooked ROMs on our Tilts? Is that what you tell your customers? And it won't void the warranty? That's fantastic news.
Can you please post your store number and employee ID number so your statement can be confirmed with AT&T corporate? Thanks!

Is the ClearPad2000 a reason for not buying an N1

I'm tempted to buy an N1, but I did a little research and saw here, that the Nexus One has a ClearPad 2000 which does not seem to hold the promise of a "true" multitouch mobile phone (saw the petition thread - it was funny ^^)...
But does anyone here use more than 2 fingers when using multitouch? And is it really such an annoyance or just non-sense to complain about such thing? So, if you had the chance, would you buy the Nexus One again?
This is not a thread which wants to compare the advantages and disadvantages of the N1 with any other device.
Would be nice if anyone could answer my questions...
Greets

i have an n1 and i hardly ever have problems with mulitouch ive had one for about 4 months now and ive had a problem with the screen like 2 times and all i did was try it again and it figured it out, the "problem" is nothing super noticeable

Is the ClearPad2000 a reason for not buying an N1?
no.

Is gaming a big aspect you look forward to in your phone? If so then yes it is a bit of an issue...

If you are looking for an extremely capable phone, then no - I only rarely use more than one finger on the screen, and never more than two. I have no need for such trifles :-D
If you are looking for a portable gaming platform that also can occasionally surf the internet and make calls, you might find it more of an issue. That said, I do plenty of gaming on my phone, and the only game I have an issue with is ToonWarz - but can work around that using the trackball rather than two fat thumbs on the screen.

If you buy this phone to mostly use it to play multi-touch games on, then yes it could be a reason for not buying it. Most games do work just fine though and if you were just gonna play games on your phone I would advise you to buy a handheld gaming console...

if you look back at how this whole multi touch issue was started/discovered you'll realize that it was from a game developer that wanted to put a virtual joystick and two buttons on the screen. I'm really glad he discovered the problem but games like those are rare even for gamers.
i'm not a gamer but even if i was i would assume that the n1 could hold up its own with games. so, yeah. not even a question...i would get the n1 again.

no its not an issue at all. sure some complex games would be limited, but i have yet to even see any games that are effected. of course i wish it were better so we WOULD see some cool games.
but for using the phone normally, like pinch to zoom, you wouldnt even know there was an issue. go ahead aand get the nexus.

Yes. Wait and see how deep the hacking gets on the better htc devices (incredible/evo).
If you plan on keeping the device longer than 6 months, make sure you're getting a fully functioning device.

i agree its not really an issue unless gaming. i never use more then 2 fingers only to pinch from time to time nothing else. i dont game so not required for me.

TheSSJ said:
I'm tempted to buy an N1, but I did a little research and saw here, that the Nexus One has a ClearPad 2000 which does not seem to hold the promise of a "true" multitouch mobile phone (saw the petition thread - it was funny ^^)...
But does anyone here use more than 2 fingers when using multitouch? And is it really such an annoyance or just non-sense to complain about such thing? So, if you had the chance, would you buy the Nexus One again?
This is not a thread which wants to compare the advantages and disadvantages of the N1 with any other device.
Would be nice if anyone could answer my questions...
Greets
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A) If you play a lot of multitouch games, yes.
B) Why do you care if you're already set on the Galaxy S (in your signature)?

PSP 2!!!!!

PSP 2 is here!! Wanna hear your thoughts. Goooo

Rather snazzy

Finally, duel thumb sticks.
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Finally there be nhl 2012 for it

If its affordable for me, i plan to get it.
IT LOOKS AAAWWEEESSSOOOMMEEEE!!!!!!!

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If its affordable for me, i plan to get it.
IT LOOKS AAAWWEEESSSOOOMMEEEE!!!!!!!
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Jailbreak in 3... 2... 1...

psp2 is AWESOME. this thing is crazy. IT HAS A F****** QUAD CORE CPU AND GPU!!! it also has 5'' oled multitouch screen and dual analog sticks. i really like it but i hope the price won't be too big

The hardware in the psp2 is downright mindblowing. As long as they're not ripping everyone off with a super high price I plan on getting one

IT HAS A F****** QUAD CORE CPU AND GPU!!!
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O_O
whos telling ya guys about hardware other than 5" lcd

These guys

Droolworthy? Definitely.
But will it blend?

Really good specs, but the case looks ugly... well but maybe it will sit in hands more comfortably. Who knows.
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Im a nintendo fanboy myself, the developmental possibilities for the 3ds are amazing!
I bet you could even port android to one of its screens

Well considering it's an ARM processor, would be interesting if someone tried porting Android to the NGP/PSP2.
In general, it looks great, I highly doubt many games will use the new features well though. I'm looking forward to having a touchscreen keyboard with online games, hopefully they do a good job with it.

I don't think that's gonna be possible. Sony is mightily afraid of the homebrew scene...
And I hope it doesn't go touchscreen either. Just stick to the traditional button controls, please

sakai4eva said:
I don't think that's gonna be possible. Sony is mightily afraid of the homebrew scene...
And I hope it doesn't go touchscreen either. Just stick to the traditional button controls, please
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Just because they don't want it doesn't mean it's impossible Exploits will be found eventually.
And a bit late for that, have you seen the NGP yet? It's already got both a touchscreen and a touchpad on the back, the new main interface is based on it(hideous, but it's based on it )

Nymphaea said:
Just because they don't want it doesn't mean it's impossible Exploits will be found eventually.
And a bit late for that, have you seen the NGP yet? It's already got both a touchscreen and a touchpad on the back, the new main interface is based on it(hideous, but it's based on it )
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After seeing Sony abandon the PSP (in terms of games, at least) after it was jailbroken, you'll have to excuse me if I'm reluctant to adopt the PSP2... but well...
And I stand corrected, there is a touchscreen on it, but my earlier comment was more pointed towards redundancy in gaming devices. There are already three significant portable gaming devices with touchscreen (iOS, NDS and Android), and I'm not sure the market is open enough for another (as opposed to a niched 3D-heavy porta-console).
I just hope that the platform has more games, rather than the sucky barrage of J-games...
In terms of jailbreaking... well... it took 4 full years for it to happen. You gonna wait?

Will totally depends on price and popularity!

it will be outdated enuff to not be worth to get a separate console for gaming by the time it comes out ... basically , its already dead before birth , sony should know better what huge changes go down in one year in the exponentially growing phone market

dont say the word
souljaboy said:
it will be outdated enuff to not be worth to get a separate console for gaming by the time it comes out ... basically , its already dead before birth , sony should know better what huge changes go down in one year in the exponentially growing phone market
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Im dead afraid because of this. NBut then again UNCHARTED ON PSP2, sony got me there. There is no competition. Plus GOD OF WAR. Enough said. All i want is TV OUT then I can say goodbye to PS# for good and buy me a better smartphone.

I'm bailing on Anroid - form the lynch mob here

*lol spelling mistake in title*
I'm bailing on Android after 2 years and two devices. I'll just go ahead and get the canned responses out of the way:
"K GTFO"
"ur an idiot anroid is open source so customizable"
"nice first post, moron"
The carrier/OS fragmentation is tearing Android apart. While most of you look at the open source platform and see good things, I see a disaster. Phones are full of bloat, locked out of core functionality (Atrix, anyone?) and relying on manufacturers for updates is slowing the progress of Android.
As a Vibrant owner, I am accustomed to some flaws - chiefly a working, but slow GPS. But when my phone constantly fails to send text messages or fills my call log with calls I did not make, I start to wonder. That's just this device - how about the Nexus One's that were sending texts to random contacts? I just think Google might have bitten off more than they were ready for. I often feel like they tried to jam so much into the OS that they forgot to keep user interface in check.
Don't get me wrong, I see a TREMENDOUS potential for Android in the future. The sheer number of activations is staggering. The platform will easily be the dominate OS, no doubt. In two years, I'll revisit Android.
For the time being I'm going back to *gasp* a Blackberry *gasp*

I for one fully respect you point of view, And good luck in your further endeavors.

Im sorry Android isn't working out for you.. I personally love my Evo, and wouldnt trade it for any other phone (right now at least).
some people enjoy the open source functions, and utilize the capabilities to its fullest, while others just call it bloat-ware (which it is full of...in stock form), and being locked out of core functionality ( what more can a blackberry do, even in stock form????)
i'm not hating on your post, or your opinion, Blackberrys are fun devices (before coming into the world of Android I owned about 5 crackberries) and im sure if you dont use your android device to its fullest, then a blackberry will be perfect for you
Masterfuel

I feel the same way. Eventually I will get phone with any OS but Android.

masterfuel said:
Im sorry Android isn't working out for you.. I personally love my Evo, and wouldnt trade it for any other phone (right now at least).
some people enjoy the open source functions, and utilize the capabilities to its fullest, while others just call it bloat-ware (which it is full of...in stock form), and being locked out of core functionality ( what more can a blackberry do, even in stock form????)
i'm not hating on your post, or your opinion, Blackberrys are fun devices (before coming into the world of Android I owned about 5 crackberries) and im sure if you dont use your android device to its fullest, then a blackberry will be perfect for you
Masterfuel
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I'm as nerdy as anyone here and can certainly hold my own when it comes to fully utilizing my phone.
But phone is the key word there. I need a phone I can throw in my pocket, answer a message quickly and be back to life. A quick glance at a Blackberry tells me all I need to know. A quick glance at my Vibrant tells me the screen is off. Poor choice in phone model? Maybe.
The only things I will miss about Android are my phones amazing 4" Display, Google Navigation and WiFi tethering. That, to me, says a lot.

Interesting thoughts
I myself like phones that I can customize into something that I need. What I mean by this is with Android I can make my home screen tell me all I need. I went out and tried different phones and found that android based phones seemed to have the most customization options out there. I like the others but for me and this is only me android seems to fit me for what I need to have on my home screen. I like to see many things too. Like calendar, email, weather, SMS and a couple of other quick links to seldom used items. Other phones like Blackberry or Iphone work nice but I am often stuck by what they feel is right. I myself just like to have things my way I guess.

It's so depressing when you scroll down a page, and see no colours from anybody because they're all new and don't have profile pictures yet

themeltingclock said:
"K GTFO"
"ur an idiot anroid is open source so customizable"
"nice first post, moron"
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-5 points for knowing the rite answer and still opening a thread

MacaronyMax said:
It's so depressing when you scroll down a page, and see no colours from anybody because they're all new and don't have profile pictures yet
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lol, i was just too lazy to change it when I registered.. and honestly, I haven't thought about it until you brought it up.. I will go do that now! Adios.

themeltingclock said:
I'm as nerdy as anyone here and can certainly hold my own when it comes to fully utilizing my phone.
But phone is the key word there. I need a phone I can throw in my pocket, answer a message quickly and be back to life. A quick glance at a Blackberry tells me all I need to know. A quick glance at my Vibrant tells me the screen is off. Poor choice in phone model? Maybe.
The only things I will miss about Android are my phones amazing 4" Display, Google Navigation and WiFi tethering. That, to me, says a lot.
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understandable.. a 4" display is a rather large phone, and sometimes isnt easy to fit into your pocket.. As for myself, a quick glance at my Evo tells me all I need to know also.
obviously android aren't for everyone (otherwise EVERYONE would have one..) hopefully you will see just how buggy that blackberry OS can get ( try deleting 4000 texts at once) and come running back, otherwise have fun in APP WORLD!!!

masterfuel said:
lol, i was just too lazy to change it when I registered.. and honestly, I haven't thought about it until you brought it up.. I will go do that now! Adios.
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Haha Yay! We now have colour to this thread
On another note... My PC is telling me I'm spelling Colour wrong

MacaronyMax said:
Haha Yay! We now have colour to this thread
On another note... My PC is telling me I'm spelling Colour wrong
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That's because you did
-If ignorance is bliss why aren't you smiling?-

twitch153 said:
That's because you did
-If ignorance is bliss why aren't you smiling?-
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Color/colour. Same diff. Just depends on where you live
Sent from my SilverBullet "HTCDesireZ running CM7"

Ever tried using a HTC?

sakai4eva said:
Ever tried using a HTC?
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Yep. Had a MyTouch when they came out. The core functionality of the phone was pretty good, albeit a bit slow. I commend HTC/T-Mobile for updating such an old phone to Froyo.
What it boils down to for me is that despite Android being a much larger, more supported platform, it just isn't intuitive. Having to install a different rom every week to see if I can squeeze out a FULL day of use or get my GPS working just isn't fun anymore.
To me, Android has become exactly what a lot of people complained about the iPhone - a toy. The novelty (at least for me) has worn off and I'm back at square one wondering why I feel the need to own such a device. Aside from browse the web and play games, what can Android do that a Blackberry can't? I don't need to play Angry Birds or watch Youtube in HD - I have other devices to handle that. What I want to do is bang out messages and answer phone calls efficiently.
This was never intended as a thread to bash Android or XDA/Developers. I've noticed an enormous difference between stock 2.2 and some of the ROMs out there for the Vibrant. It was simply my observations on some (IMHO) big shortcomings in the platform that haven't been fully addressed.

Well, good luck on your endeavours, even though I think that HTC can solve your problems... maybe you could give the newer HTCs a shot, but hey, who am I to force you?

I think that you can still get your messages and calls out on android efficiently or at least I've managed to but it didn't take too much on my behalf; in the whole time that I've had my phone, I've only flashed 2 ROMs and my phone can pull about 48-51 hrs per charge with moderate use.
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Oniyuri said:
I think that you can still get your messages and calls out on android efficiently or at least I've managed to but it didn't take too much on my behalf; in the whole time that I've had my phone, I've only flashed 2 ROMs and my phone can pull about 48-51 hrs per charge with moderate use.
Sent from my Bionix-V 1.2 powered Vibrant.
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Wow, I like the sound of those numbers. I am getting a little tired of my 8-9 hours of battery life. Flashing new roms seems to be making things worse too. Stock I was getting 9-10.
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Good luck OP. Hope you find something that works for you.

I'd do the same as you, only I can't live without widgets and homescreens anymore. I've tried WP7 but just couldn't use it because the lack of customization. GL with your future phones. Atleast you're not going to the darkest side (Apple).