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[Q] Choppy Browser...

Anyone noticing the Browser on our beloved Nexus one is very choppy and laggy on some sites even though we have a 1GHz snapdragon! i know its not a humming bird but i would expect it to catch up...because when the nexus one first came out and i got it...it was BLAZING FAST! but now its all choppy and laggy.... anyone noticing that too??

there could be a couple of things involved with this, you could have more things running the background using cpu then previously, or you could just be going to some poorly coded websites. Also, if you havent been to a website in a while its cache may be different.

Blueman101 said:
there could be a couple of things involved with this, you could have more things running the background using cpu then previously, or you could just be going to some poorly coded websites. Also, if you havent been to a website in a while its cache may be different.
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hmm, ya you might be right if only Google Made GPU acceleration on the browser that would be awesome!

Mine is still blazing fast, but I don't have a lot running in the back ground & I clear it's cache often.

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Mine is still blazing fast, but I don't have a lot running in the back ground & I clear it's cache often.
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Hopefully Gingerbread will bring a new Web browser UI and other features.. i just decided im going to buy a Galaxy S but i will still use the N1 as a business/exchange phone but the galaxy S as my multimedia phone..

It does seem choppy compared to the stupid iPhone, but its an appropriate comparison because its the ultimate competition. And android blinks when scrolling. If you look at certain things you can see the colors blinking or something if u scroll slow u can see it more clearly regular scrolling it makes it look choppy. It seems like iPhone loads a page or a map and u are scrolling thhat one image but with android its like its trying to load each movement so browser seems jumpy and a lot of apps are the same way. Google maps is the worst. Its the coolest app on any mobile platform but its awful to scroll and zoom on android relative to the maps on iPhone. If gingerbread makes it on the same level then android wins hands down. Right now android has more features but iPhone is way easier to use its more smooth and polished. Like everything was developed and then actually used to decide what needs improvement.

WP7 and Snapdragon - How is it so smooth?

forgiveness if this is wrong info, but i believe many of the first gen WP7 devices are using the same snapdragon CPU and GPU combo as the nexus one, the adreno 2.5 i believe. yet those devices are smooth as butter on all parts of the OS, including any web page you throw at the browser.
is there a reason why the same is not achieved on the nexus one and android phones? i assume its down to drivers, but seems silly that android wouldnt be similar...anyone have insight with this?

Minus the x,y axis touch screen limitation my n1 is pretty smooth all around, what sort of differences do you see ?

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Minus the x,y axis touch screen limitation my n1 is pretty smooth all around, what sort of differences do you see ?
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Don't get me wrong, my nexus one is smooth as butter in 95% of all areas. Home screen scrolling and transitions easily must be hitting 50fps. But certain websites like engadget or this forum can skip a tad. Throw those same sites on new windows phone and It's smooth as butter.
I just wonder how this is possible with the same chip set, especially considering how our adreno is supposedly not the best.

do you have the "enable plug-ins" setting in the browser set to "on demand"?
i have mine like this and xda loads pretty quick, ondemand just lets you tap on a flash item when you want it to be rendered.

Yes on demand has been set for many months. I'm not talking about load speed, but scrolling smoothness once loaded. There are minor examples else where in the OS. But in general I'm wondering about drivers between the 2 platforms. You'd prob have to use a phone to see.

ill check out my friend's wp7 tomorrow at work. i cant get my phone to be choppy on this thread or the main thread or the gigglebread thread zoomed in or fully zoomed out :\

Probably cuz the browser on WP7 is based off the best internet browser EVER. Duh!
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But seriously, it's a different OS, and the browser is different than ours. My wife had an HTC Surround for about a month (returned it cuz of lack of apps right now), and I will say, it was a pretty nice phone. Maybe after a few updates it'll be something to look into again, but right now, it's at the beginning of it's life, so there's a lot missing in my opinion.

It's all about code optimization, proper drivers, hardware accelerated graphics...
since android must run on many devices with many different cpus they can't optimize everything for the snapdragon, as they've done with WP7.

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It's all about code optimization, proper drivers, hardware accelerated graphics...
since android must run on many devices with many different cpus they can't optimize everything for the snapdragon, as they've done with WP7.
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that's kinda the direction i was going. i wonder if this is something that qualcomm perhaps helps microsoft with providing optimized drivers, or they were paid to do so. it just shows how the snapdragon and adreno are pretty powerful but get a lot of negative talk around the community for it's graphics capability.
seeing as it was goog;e's first and initial phone, its too bad they did not attempt the similar performance optimizations. i mean each individual phone needs device specific drivers anyway, so its too bad they didnt take it to that next level.

Someone on Slashdot linked to a very interesting article relating to this problem.
Google "The Care and Feeding of the Android GPU"
(Note: This has probably been posted on the forums before, but it seemed worth adding to the current conversation)
EDIT: Wow. Terrible grammar. Wish I could blame Swype, but I'm pretty sure I'm just a moron lol.

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Someone on Slashdot linked to a very interested article relating to this problem.
Google "The Care and Feeding of the Android GPU"
(Note: This has probably been posted on the forums before, but it seemed worth adding to the current conversation)
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actually this totally answers my question. thanks. reading that slashdot article, there are some great comments at the bottom, one with a link to anandtech article about WP7 and GPU's etc. also a former google employee commented on the topic.
so basically yes MS very tightly controls things and wanted it that way. android has to code for common devices across many manufacturers etc.
one interesting thing the anandtech article says that WP7 is capped at 30 FPS by microsoft due to battery concerns. some dev's complained. remember the EVO had that cap, and it sucks because of it. but playing with WP7 devices i didnt notice it a bit. strange.

and the real answer as others have said in the past is lack of UI hardward acceleration. interesting topci on google bug tracker explains it all. but 3.0 seems to fix it!
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6914

Simple, there is no hardware acceleration in the UI. Only apps that are programmed to use the GPU will use it.

Android needs a virtual machine, W7 doesn't, it runs native on the hardware. Full native support.

holy crap, i just watched a video of android which DOES have full graphics hardware acceleration thru the enture UI, and nearly crapped my pants. talk about iphone-like smoothness...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpH3oX9RhIE

Screen dust?

Ive noticed i have a small fleck of dust (which i find very very irritating). Anyone else got similar? Its most likely a dust flake between the digitizer and the screen as it moves relative to the image underneath. Sure it wasnt there when i bought it.

I've had mine since November and there is no dust under my screen unlike my iPhone 3G that I cleaned only a couple of months ago!

In the daylight i can see its a very white fleck under the digitiser. Very disappointed with this tab so far, slow, buggy and badly built. Such a shame as i love my Galaxy S2.

rovex said:
In the daylight i can see its a very white fleck under the digitiser. Very disappointed with this tab so far, slow, buggy and badly built. Such a shame as i love my Galaxy S2.
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Half the stuff i've seen you moan about I do not have any issue with at all.
I would suggest you stick to your phone or just go buy an ipad as nothing will keep you satisfied.
No doubt you would have lot's to moan about with them as well.
My brother has 2 ipads and I still prefer my Tab 8.9 over them.
I'm running stock with Go Launcher and no problems here from my side. It runs as I would expect it too and it is an addition to my phone and pc, not a replacement of either.

Hate to say it, but choccy31 is right. You make 8.9 appear a lot worse than it is. It's not slow or buggy, with the latest CM9 ICS it's smooth enough and without problems. It's not badly built, you having dust under the screen does not mean we all have it. If you don't like it, you can always sell it, why keep it when everything is wrong with it?

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Half the stuff i've seen you moan about I do not have any issue with at all.
I would suggest you stick to your phone or just go buy an ipad as nothing will keep you satisfied.
No doubt you would have lot's to moan about with them as well.
My brother has 2 ipads and I still prefer my Tab 8.9 over them.
I'm running stock with Go Launcher and no problems here from my side. It runs as I would expect it too and it is an addition to my phone and pc, not a replacement of either.
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I'm glad someone else agrees..
Sent from my Incredible 2 using xda premium

Im sooo sorry i have upset you all, but the thing is rubbish. Its the worst Android device i have used by some way and ive used a lot. Im not the only one complaining about its speed it IS slow, fact there is no debate. Poor video that surprised me even knowing the Tegra limitations. Micro-stutter, lag, jerking. Maybe ill put up some comparison videos between the tab and the S2 and you will see what i mean. If it was cheap it wouldnt be so bad, but Sammy wanted £400 for this?? glad i didnt pay that.
I wont be getting an 'iPad' because its Apple and automatically fails, but i may well sell this on, swallow the loss and get something better. I should have gone with the Zoom, which is getting good support and is much smoother.

So go and sell it already. I dunno what Tab meets your requirements though, I guess the Transformer Prime is probably the closest you can get to the iPad in build and performance. Can't really think of any others that perform particularly better than this one, or that I can guarantee won't get dust (oh sh-------ttttt!!!!) under the screen.
its Apple and automatically fails
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Credibility = gone.

Why credibility gone? I hate the look of iOS which i think is very dull and I find Apple a horrible company. I buy Samsung to support free trade and as a protest to the way apple thinks it can limit choice by suing everyone over idiotic patents it should never have been granted.
The TF prime is better, but its not about raw power, its about optimization. There is no reason this tab needs to be so slow when the xoom isnt or even the Advent Vega!
Im going to wait for a real ICS ROM and see, by that time i may have got over the dust disappointment, but if it doesnt speed up its going.
You seem to think im asking to much for a tab to be able to actually function without stuttering, well i dont think i am. Im used to the slight Android stutter, but this is WAY beyond that. If i drag my finger slowly from screen to screen its smooth until it gets to about 40% of the way across, at which point it starts to stutter, however slowly i swipe. My S2 doesnt do that, even my Desire didnt, even my friends Wildfire doesnt and that has a 600mhz single core CPU.

rovex said:
Why credibility gone? I hate the look of iOS which i think is very dull and I find Apple a horrible company. I buy Samsung to support free trade and as a protest to the way apple thinks it can limit choice by suing everyone over idiotic patents it should never have been granted.
The TF prime is better, but its not about raw power, its about optimization. There is no reason this tab needs to be so slow when the xoom isnt or even the Advent Vega!
Im going to wait for a real ICS ROM and see, by that time i may have got over the dust disappointment, but if it doesnt speed up its going.
You seem to think im asking to much for a tab to be able to actually function without stuttering, well i dont think i am. Im used to the slight Android stutter, but this is WAY beyond that. If i drag my finger slowly from screen to screen its smooth until it gets to about 40% of the way across, at which point it starts to stutter, however slowly i swipe. My S2 doesnt do that, even my Desire didnt, even my friends Wildfire doesnt and that has a 600mhz single core CPU.
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Your Desire didn't? Hmm....as for being markedly worse than the Xoom with TW removed to make the OS more equivalent the performance is the same.
In any case it's hardly fair to compare the 8.9 to the S2 when the latter runs at a lower sub-HD resolution and isn't capable of displaying multiple large widgets. The 8.9 is quite up to HD video play back but then how is that worse than the S2?
I don't think anyone is saying that it's too much to ask for it to function without stuttering but it seems most, including myself, do not see the level of problems you appear to see. The example you give of stuttering at 40% swipe, I really don't see my home screens pause for fractions of a second as I swipe between them; it continues to move smoothly all the way in line with my finger movement.

Its smooth without widgets, but not with them. The more i use, the slower it gets. My S2 is running 6 full screen scrollable widgets, its has no slow down whatsoever. Sure WVGA makes life easier, but the Galaxy note is also smooth with ICS, that is HD and has the same CPU (in most markets). Tablet widgets are no bigger than phone ones., and even if they were the Tab struggles with the same ones my S2 has no issues with, even if they are smaller!
Ive given up using widgets now and it makes the device much nicer to use, but it seems like a waste of the larger screen.
For what its worth i have no issues with gaming.
The Note and S2 will both decode full rate 1080P blu-ray files, the tegra struggles with heavily reduced rate 720P. I have a copy of 'Drive' in 720P on my Laptop, S2 and Tab, the tab stutters and pauses, the others are smooth as silk.

You seem to be forgetting that the CPU and GPU in SGS 2 are more powerful than the Tegra 2 solution. Include also that more powerful device is running on a lower resolution screen, add the a lot more optimized ICS version for SGS 2, and you can clearly see the end result.
Is 8.9 perfectly smooth at this point? No, maybe it will never be, even with official ICS. I doubt we will see the improvement with buggy TouchWiz slapped on it, but at least devs will get some good stuff from it, like camera drivers and kernel. You can just hope for the best, or sell the tablet and purchase another more powerful model, something with Tegra 3 perhaps. We all know what's wrong with this model, we don't need someone to point it out.
High profile 720p and 1080p are just not doable on Tegra 2 solutions, it was like that from the start, there is nothing we can do to make it play nice without stuttering. I do get a decent framerate with DicePlayer on 1.4 GHz with some 720p movies, but not for long, on certain scenes it just becomes choppy. It's choppiest when you start the movie, but if you leave that tablet like that, and not swipe around, it gets better and better, only to be choppy again when more demanding scene comes up.
It is a shame, great screen going to waste, but if i sell it now, i don't know what tablet i would get to replace it. Transformer Prime is not cheap, i would need to add more money to get it, but i just love the form factor on this one. It's a difficult decision, and when the Tegra 3 tablets get their prices slashed, this thing will be even harder to sell.

Im not forgetting anything. My point is that if Tegra is so bad, it should never have been used in a top end device. I only paid £279 for mine, but if i paid the full £399 launch price i would be very upset.
The TF Prime still uses Tegra, the '3' isnt much better, as far as i can see its still broken, they are just throwing more broken cores at the problem in an attempt to fix it.
Its acceptable for now, but i still dont see why it should stutter with hardware acceleration enabled.

rovex said:
Its smooth without widgets, but not with them. The more i use, the slower it gets. My S2 is running 6 full screen scrollable widgets, its has no slow down whatsoever. Sure WVGA makes life easier, but the Galaxy note is also smooth with ICS, that is HD and has the same CPU (in most markets). Tablet widgets are no bigger than phone ones., and even if they were the Tab struggles with the same ones my S2 has no issues with, even if they are smaller!
Ive given up using widgets now and it makes the device much nicer to use, but it seems like a waste of the larger screen.
For what its worth i have no issues with gaming.
The Note and S2 will both decode full rate 1080P blu-ray files, the tegra struggles with heavily reduced rate 720P. I have a copy of 'Drive' in 720P on my Laptop, S2 and Tab, the tab stutters and pauses, the others are smooth as silk.
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Widgets are the same size? 1 full screen widget on the 8.9 carries over twice as much information as 1 full screen widget on the S2.
How does Dual-core 1.4 GHz ARM Cortex-A9 in the Note equate to Dual-core 1GHz Cortex-A9 in the 8.9?
As for decoding, I would say that the almost double resolution on the 8.9 vs the S2 is a factor aside from CPU difference.
You say the Note is fine and is that from your own experience?

rovex said:
Why credibility gone? I hate the look of iOS which i think is very dull and I find Apple a horrible company. I buy Samsung to support free trade and as a protest to the way apple thinks it can limit choice by suing everyone over idiotic patents it should never have been granted.
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Because it means you aren't judging something objectively... Samsung have been attempting these crazy law suits too, and they did get their name in the smartphone/tablet market by being as close to Apple as possible... TouchWiz for Android 2 is basically Android hacked to look and act more like iOS and the phones up until S2 were all designed to look like iPhone alternatives (look how the Galaxy S is the iPhone 3GS and then the Galaxy Ace is the iPhone 4...), and the people who design the devices and the legal departments are completely unrelated, it's not like each company is some dude who makes every decision.
rovex said:
or even the Advent Vega!
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I had an Advent Vega... Doesn't even begin to compare to this thing... Was fun for modding but to actually use it was a POS... I mean come on, if you're into modding you can put an unfinished homebrew HoneyComb/ICS on it which doesn't support the camera (lol, the nasty VGA thing) or if not you can run the ridiculous stock ROM with inch-thick navigation bar... The accelerometer doesn't even work right. I think I can put up with choppy homescreen transitions...
You seem to think im asking to much for a tab to be able to actually function without stuttering, well i dont think i am.
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Not at all, we just can't understand why you don't rid yourself of it and get something else if it makes you so mad. We want you to be happy with whatever device you get but at the same time we don't want to be shouted about at how crappy stuff that we like supposedly is.
Im used to the slight Android stutter, but this is WAY beyond that. If i drag my finger slowly from screen to screen its smooth until it gets to about 40% of the way across, at which point it starts to stutter, however slowly i swipe.
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Ah yes, I know what you mean. The homescreens move with my finger but they do lose framerate. Never been important to me as homescreens are, erm, they're just to get you into the apps, and you only swipe between them when you want to see your other widgets/icons, it's not like a frequent thing. I find it stutters a LOT worse when using some live wallpapers, make sure you don't use one of them. A lot of the Honeycomb devices I've used do this though. There aren't many I've seen to run the homescreens smoothly without modding. I mean, for me, it's one of the best Android tablets I've used, the form factor, performance (for the size & weight), screen, etc. all come together really nicely. It's only the homescreen that doesn't seem smooth for me...
Have you tried overclocking? I've heard that can fix the issue. I read somewhere that the homescreens don't use hardware acceleration on this tab.
It's HoneyComb's silly 3D screens thing, the way swiping between them has that unnecessary 3D effect, I mean seriously, what is the practical use of that, it uses way more resources and also affects the intuitiveness of using a touch screen (when you keep things "flat", it creates the feeling of sliding something under your fingers, when the 3D comes in it separates it and feels more like minority report 'gestures'), it seems to be pointless showing off and causes a lot of the stuttering on Android tabs.
Also, have you considered giving the Galaxy Tab 10.1 a try? I've read that it runs better and is more compatible. For me no tabs compare to the Samsung ones in design, weight, etc., the performance isn't perfect but it's the kind of sacrifice you make to get something impossibly thin and light.
My S2 doesnt do that, even my Desire didnt, even my friends Wildfire doesnt and that has a 600mhz single core CPU.
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Yeah but these are all Android 2 devices which run at 800x480...

I never claimed to be objective, i despise Apple, and im very happy to say why. The galaxys look like an evolution of older Sammy phones and the Tabs look like large versions of them. They didnt copy Apple, call it 'convergent evolution' if you must. Apple are being patent trolls, they started it, the others need to finish it.
I love the look of the 8.9, its lovely, i just want the excessive stutter gone. homescreens are important to Android, its not just about the apps.
I know the Vega is rubbish, but it still manages to be smoother than the Tab.. Thats really sad.
Lower res phones should be smoother yes, but the Galaxy Note is smoother as well, that has the same res. The Xoom is smoother, in fact the 8.9 is the worst T2 powered tab ive used. What i want is ICS with Apex launcher than is smooth and jitter free. A pause or 2 i can handle, but not the gritty jerky laggy mess it currently is. It makes it feel so cheap and low end.
As for the dust, i used a statically charged plastic rod, and managed to make the fleck 'jump' off screen, behind the bezel i guess. It may return but its gone or now.

rovex said:
I never claimed to be objective, i despise Apple, and im very happy to say why. The galaxys look like an evolution of older Sammy phones and the Tabs look like large versions of them. They didnt copy Apple, call it 'convergent evolution' if you must. Apple are being patent trolls, they started it, the others need to finish it.
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Well, it's not even worth getting into here, but it's still just a company, no need to take it personally, they all do these same things and our tablets wouldn't exist if iPad didn't, and wouldn't be half as great if they weren't competing with it.
homescreens are important to Android, its not just about the apps.
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But why? What can you actually do on a homescreen?
I know the Vega is rubbish, but it still manages to be smoother than the Tab.. Thats really sad.
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Well, only if you mod the crap out of it, and I'm sure you can mod this tab to run better if you overclock it and use the right ROMs and stuff...
Lower res phones should be smoother yes, but the Galaxy Note is smoother as well, that has the same res.
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And it's running Gingerbread.
The Xoom is smoother
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And bigger, and heavier.
As for the dust, i used a statically charged plastic rod, and managed to make the fleck 'jump' off screen, behind the bezel i guess. It may return but its gone or now.
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Good idea! If it comes back you can just do it again. Great thinking though.

Android has widgets, iOS doesnt. iOS's interface is just a basic list of apps. Android has so much more, yes widgets are apps in a sense i suppose, but they are interactive. If their performance is very poor it ruins the experience. Most apps perform ok in themselves, but the homescreen is the face of the device and it must be smooth.
Yes the Vega must be modded to be smooth, but i standby what i said. A Stock Vega is better than a stock 8.9, and ive done everything i can to make this smooth (ROMs, kernels, overclocks, tweaks), its still slower than a modded Vega.
The Note has ICS now and it destroys the 8.9 with ICS builds. The 8.9 feels like a 500mhz single core unit next to a Note. The Note running GB previously doesnt explain why its faster, it should mean its slower!
The Xoom might be heavier but it has no 'performance enhancing' extras that the 8.9 doesnt have, in fact the 8.9 has faster RAM, or at least a better implemented memory subsystem. Its still manages to be slower.
I simply dont accept the answer 'Blame Honeycomb'. If ICS fixes the issues then i believe Samsung must have changed something else, some limitation or previous decision that was hindering the unit.

Tegra2 for whatever reason is a horrible CPU. I've used a few omap4 tablets and they just seem way smoother than tegra2. I mean a tegra 3 is finally smooth but nvidias cpus seem to be "on paper" good but real world bad each generation. Seem like they come out first with a spec set but poorly implemented once competitors are out. I mean the snapdragon s4 quad will probably destroy tegra 3

The S4 duals beat the T3!
I knew Tegra was old and slow, but i did think that maybe Samsung would have made the best of the bad CPU, it seems they have made the worst of it.

[Q] About to switch from iOS to HTC One and Android...

Let me start off by saying I am a huge HTC fan and have owned the HTC Hero and EVO 4G before switching to the iPhone 4S. I've always loved the open system of android but many things about the platform frustrated me. However, I am super intrigued by the HTC One and think now is the right time to make the switch back. Before doing so, I wanted to get a check with the community on whether these issues with android have been resolved...
1. Quality and consistency of apps - Two years ago Android apps were a [email protected] reincarnation of their iOS form. Developers made terrible ports and there were a lot of UI inconsistencies. While I still strongly believe it will be years before the Play store meet or surpass that of iOS, how is the quality of apps? In particular, the thing that bothered me most about Android years ago was how a lot of the apps weren't optimized for all the display resolutions out there, so the app images were blurry on certain hardware/resolution.
2. Battery life - I'll be honest, the HTC Hero and EVO 4G had terrible battery life. For my particular usage style, the iPhone 4S performed marginally better. Understanding that battery life varies from user to user, I am asking those who has owned an iPhone 4S or 5 to share their experience so far.
3. Overall UI Experience - Probably the most important thing for me. My EVO 4G stuttered and felt jerky all the time; whether it was scrolling, typing, etc. Even worse was that for every iteration of Android people proclaim, "It's fixed! Android is now as smooth as iOS." However, the experience is still no where close to that of iOS. The last device I tried was Galaxy S3. Scrolling isn't as smooth as iOS and the touch keyboard didn't seem as responsive. Where does the HTC ONE stand in this regard?
Closing comments: This post is not intended to troll on Android. I've tried going to BB to try out the HTC One and it was absolutely pointless. They disabled wifi and it had no internet connection. So I couldn't test out anything. With that said, I am looking for an unbiased opinion from someone who has had experience on both platforms.
Just to balance my comments a bit, I will share a few reasons why I want to ditch iOS: Stale interface, overly restrictive OS, iFanboys, and uninspiring iPhone 5 hardware design.

The UI experience whilst the best I have had on android still isnt as smooth as iOS. Especially in 3rd party apps. Ones like facebook stutter a lot when scrolling. The battery life for me has been fantastic. Far better than my iPhone 5 and the app selection is great. Some optimisation for 1080p needed. But the black bar that appears at the bottom of some apps may bother you. Id go into a spring store and try a demo model to compare. Use some of the 3rd party apps and see if it does satisfy you.

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Let me start off by saying I am a huge HTC fan and have owned the HTC Hero and EVO 4G before switching to the iPhone 4S. I've always loved the open system of android but many things about the platform frustrated me. However, I am super intrigued by the HTC One and think now is the right time to make the switch back. Before doing so, I wanted to get a check with the community on whether these issues with android have been resolved...
1. Quality and consistency of apps - Two years ago Android apps were a [email protected] reincarnation of their iOS form. Developers made terrible ports and there were a lot of UI inconsistencies. While I still strongly believe it will be years before the Play store meet or surpass that of iOS, how is the quality of apps? In particular, the thing that bothered me most about Android years ago was how a lot of the apps weren't optimized for all the display resolutions out there, so the app images were blurry on certain hardware/resolution.
This has been mostly resolved. Their are so many different resolutions now that android 4.0 streamlined that for devs as I understand it. Most things are high res I am sure you can still find some low res ones. I recently used a iPhone for the first time ever after years of android and while I felt there was slightly more selection in IOS it's only that slightly I missed all my android could do
2. Battery life - I'll be honest, the HTC Hero and EVO 4G had terrible battery life. For my particular usage style, the iPhone 4S performed marginally better. Understanding that battery life varies from user to user, I am asking those who has owned an iPhone 4S or 5 to share their experience so far.
This one is so hard for me as IOS wouldn't tell me how long my screen was on!!! I always felt the iphone 5 had great battery but without that it means nothing to me. The one seems to preform in a similar fashion to the iphone 5 no battery drain at night amazing standby and somewhere around 3-5 hours of screen time on in 24-30 hours.
3. Overall UI Experience - Probably the most important thing for me. My EVO 4G stuttered and felt jerky all the time; whether it was scrolling, typing, etc. Even worse was that for every iteration of Android people proclaim, "It's fixed! Android is now as smooth as iOS." However, the experience is still no where close to that of iOS. The last device I tried was Galaxy S3. Scrolling isn't as smooth as iOS and the touch keyboard didn't seem as responsive. Where does the HTC ONE stand in this regard?
There is no question the HTC One is as close to iphone UI smoothness that any android phone has ever come. I'm not going to say the keyboard is as good or it's as smooth but it's so close I don't notice (iphone has better keyboard animations) and nothing andriod wise is on the level of Sense 5
Closing comments: This post is not intended to troll on Android. I've tried going to BB to try out the HTC One and it was absolutely pointless. They disabled wifi and it had no internet connection. So I couldn't test out anything. With that said, I am looking for an unbiased opinion from someone who has had experience on both platforms.
Just to balance my comments a bit, I will share a few reasons why I want to ditch iOS: Stale interface, overly restrictive OS, iFanboys, and uninspiring iPhone 5 hardware design.
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Answered your questions above in the quote in bold. As I said i recently used a iPhone 5 first iPhone ever I used it for about 4 months two periods of 2 months. That is a really long time for me to use a phone.

Many apps that are available on both platforms look and perform the exact same for the most part. Games like temple run or apps like tunein radio won't feel different if you are using the same conditions (same service provider). There are unfortunately a few notable offenders, and they are big guys: twitter and facebook are generally awful and better used on their mobile sites. I feel like android apps are generally more useful or productive, ios stuff can be as well but it seems more entertainment focused.
Battery life has hit a plateau, all new phones get roughly the same battery life (expect the iphone5/5s to get the same battery life as the one/s4). They will generally get you through a normal day. I find that my One still needs a quick charge in the car if I'm going to have a long night to make it.
UI by itself is great, when you have 9 other apps open at the same time it can bog down. It's just the nature of android, it does proper multitasking at the cost of 100% UI smoothness. Under normal use however, the One is powerful enough to handle your typical apps all being open without a sweat.

arikah said:
Many apps that are available on both platforms look and perform the exact same for the most part. Games like temple run or apps like tunein radio won't feel different if you are using the same conditions (same service provider). There are unfortunately a few notable offenders, and they are big guys: twitter and facebook are generally awful and better used on their mobile sites. I feel like android apps are generally more useful or productive, ios stuff can be as well but it seems more entertainment focused.
Battery life has hit a plateau, all new phones get roughly the same battery life (expect the iphone5/5s to get the same battery life as the one/s4). They will generally get you through a normal day. I find that my One still needs a quick charge in the car if I'm going to have a long night to make it.
UI by itself is great, when you have 9 other apps open at the same time it can bog down. It's just the nature of android, it does proper multitasking at the cost of 100% UI smoothness. Under normal use however, the One is powerful enough to handle your typical apps all being open without a sweat.
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This is the best Android I have ever owned. Tried the iPhone 5 for a couple weeks but missed Android. Have not had any lag issues at all !! Great device, screen is awesome. Get it, you won't regret it!
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I switched to the iPhone 4S when I was having service problems with my HTC Inspire at work. I will admit that once I had the iPhone on hand for a lengthy amount of time I was thoroughly impressed.
The major difference you'll notice is the keyboard. The stock keyboard is horrendous. I use Jelly Bean Keyboard found on the Play Store for free and it is marvelous for me.
The scrolling within the UI and apps themselves is by far the smoothest I've ever experienced on an Android device, let alone one that's running Sense. My prior experiences with Sense were horrible. I've always loved plain old AOSP and MIUI, but Sense is pretty remarkable this go around, even with all of it's flaws.
My battery life varies, because my day to day usage is never the same, but my shortest cycle thus far was 16 hours and that was a lot of Pandora, a lot of music that I've pushed to my device, and constant data connection the whole cycle.
All in all I'm pretty happy. Happier than I expected to be, to be quite honest.
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It's great it's as smooth as you can expect, when scrolling through a bunch of texts it lags when it loads(iOS stops at the top and asks you if you want to load more)
Most of the big name apps are there, and there's a ton of apps that just make things work better for you.
Battery life... why does everyone ask that, these days you can expect to make it through a day with a flagship smartphone.
Personally I left iOS 2 years ago and never looked back, until I held an iPhone 5 and wanted a metal phone.

Honestly I don't feel a lack in smoothness at all when it comes to anything. Even when I have a large amount of apps open with power saver on its as smooth as can be. Not even my iphone could do that. Couldn't multitask at all and still was laggy after a while. I think that most apps actually look better on android. Like the twitter app for example. I think that Web 2.0 style of UI bars are hideous. I don't like it at all and having nearly every apo like that it's just ugly. Just didn't like the style either. All the tabs on the bottom just doesn't seem as nice. Same with the dropbox app. Much better experience to me with most apps with no lag. Also battery life for me has been way better. I had to charge my iphone twice a day. My One usually lasts all day depending on my usage. Also school tends to kill my battery since many parts of the school signal is either edge or nothing so the phone drains a lot from trying to get a signal.
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I had the Hero > Evo 4G > Nexus S > iPhone 4S > Galaxy S3 (hated it) back to the 4S > iPhone 5 > HTC One. So I think I have some middle of the road experience. Really the only thing the iPhone has on the One is that it's smooth and every thing works. What it doesn't have is everything Apple does not want you to have. At this point in time Apple would have to blow me away to switch back. The HTC One is an amazing phone I enjoyed my previous HTC phones and glad I made the switch back.
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HTC One for me is as others have also said, the closest thing to smooth and lag free as I believe you'll get. It always seems perfectly smooth to me.
Ui and apps are excellent, I honestly have never seen what others see in iphone apps though and they have always looked god awful to me so can't comment more than I think the apps on the one look great. Although I must say, I believe apps are overrated, as I never install more than 10 or 15 that I use regularly anyway.
Battery life is very good, around 5 or 6 hours screen on, and 24 hours standby ish. Comparable to S3, but with none of the lag of the S3 (and s4 for that matter).

Facebook app is terrible. Rest is as smooth as it can get.
Battery life goes quite a lot for me, I got my mobile internet and/or wi-fi all day. Automatic brightness, I play some games time to time. Very good overall.

My One hasn't arrived yet, but I think I can still give an idea of what to expect.
I am coming from the One X. The One X might not be the One, but it did work very well in my experience. I can only imagine, and is confirmed by reviewers, that the One is an improvement across all fronts. I switched from being a long time iOS user to an Android user with the One X. The only things I did not really like about that phone was the battery life and the camera bump on the back. With a custom kernel and Rom, I was able to address the battery issue. With the One, the battery is larger, the processor is more battery friendly, and there is no camera bump. So the two things I did not like were addressed straight from the factory.
As for app selection, I did not notice any problems switching operating systems. Android had about 90% of the apps I used on iOS, and the ones that were missing were more or less covered by a similar app. Most apps looked good, with a few free apps having frustrating menus.
The UI on the One X was great. I liked Sense for most of the time I used it. I never had a complaint about smoothness, but when I started using Nova Prime I noticed it was quite a bit faster. Had I not started using a separate launcher, or a custom Rom, I would still consider Sense to be fast (especially after Jelly bean). From what I've read, Sense 5 is quite a bit better than 4+. So if Sense 4+ was already fast and smooth, and Sense 5 is even faster, you should be confident that you will have a good experience with the One.
The default HTC keyboard was pretty frustrating when the One X first launched. The autocorrect/prediction wasn't so good, and the space bar was so small; I often miss typed. With Sense 4+, the keyboard was improved with a larger space bar. With the options in the Play Store, however, I don't see a need for anyone to be using stock keyboards. There are Developers out there that focus only on making keyboards. These keyboards, such as SwiftKey, are so much better than anything you will get stock from HTC or Apple.
So in summary, I'd say your concerns were almost all covered by the previous generation's flagship HTC phone. With the current generation's flagship phone, the One, your concerns have been fully addressed.

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agree.
android still doesnt really come close in polish to ios.
ios apps just look nicer i feel, android still feels a bit clunky.
if apple allowed default apps and nitro java across every app out of the box, the iphone would be pretty unbeatable.
as it stands the one makes a pretty good iphone replacement. quality of materials feel just as nice as the iphone.

I just recently switched from iPhone 5 to the One after having been a iPhone user and fanboy for 5 years. On the whole I am very happy with the One and don't regret my decision. I love the customizability and being able to do all the cool stuff Apple wouldn't let me do.
But there are some things I miss and where I think android still falls behind ios.
The UI is just not as smooth. In a lot of apps (looking at you facebook) there is a lot of lag and others a lot of micro stuttering which some people woukdnt notice but I do.
Quite a few apps seem to have been ported from ios as an afterthought and just aren't as polished. There are some really great android apps to be fair.
I miss the centralised notification centre on ios where you can control all notfications in one place. I also miss ios lock screen notifications. Please don't say you can use the notification shade on the lock screen because you can't if you use lock screen pin.
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I would go as far as say that Google Play now looks far better than app store has more apps and much more free apps too.
I can't stand the actual look of iPhone, it hasn't changed in years and is plain boring.
Battery life on this phone is superb for me personally.
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This phone is ridiculous. You won't be disappointed.

I have been through my share of smartphones blackberry 9700, HTC mytouch slide, mytouch 4g, mytouch slide 4g, Samsung vibrant, galaxy 4g, Droid razr maxx , iPhone 5, galaxy note 2. I gave up the note 2 for the HTC one. The only reason I got the note was first, they didn't have the one in stock and the salesperson assured me that the note was high end Samsung and it wouldn't lag like galaxy phones of yore. Guess what, the first day with the note 2 I tried to text and the keyboard froze. Happened several times, and this I can't forgive. I hate laggy phones, which is why I tried iPhone 5, but the screen was too small for my taste. Finally got a call from tmobile saying the one was in, left work picked it up, and haven't looked back.
This is the most awesome phone I have had to date! Smooth, no lag, super fast.
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Have iPhone 5c and Nexus 5...

I have the two phones I had to get the iPhone as nexus 5 on T-Mobile was out of stock even though I had one since YOU HAVE TO GET A DEVICE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR ETF OFFER so I said why not iPhone
So I bring this icrap with me home with my nexus 5 let's take a few seconds here to discuss pricing msrp
IPhone 5s MSRP : ~$500 baseline
Google nexus 5 MSRP: $350 baseline
What the baseline is its the lowest capacity of storage available.
Build quality I would say that though the iPhone 5c was more the pricy msrp the nexus 5 does stand out with its soft touch tone back and ceramic power and volume rocker buttons
OS iOS vs Android
Having both it seems iOS just doesn't seem right.. The 5c stuffers some lag doing basic tasks where ad nexus 5 is solid performance throughout the entire system.
IOS is simpler on some levels however have you tried putting your own custom ringtone on iOS its a mess check it out
http://m.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-make-ringtones-for-iphone/
The nexus 5 and android simply allows me to download a third party app to trim it then and there and set it or just go on google play long press the song and boom set as ringtone so android is easier on some levels than iOS fair enough give one take one.
Camera : I would say nexus 5 is better but its just preference on the HDR+ which I love.
Battery life; sorry but I give this to apple as the amp hours are smaller on the iPhone than the nexus 5 and it still somehow gets through the day better than the nexus 5 (this doesn't mean you can't improve it though) custom kernals under clocking etc.
Cellular radio performance; sorry giving this to apple hands down the iPhone 5c beats the nexus 5 by almost having no service in room on nexus 5 or 1 bar of LTE on iPhone. Granted the radio is optimized and then google has not yet have a chance to play around.
Overall I'm switching my Sims back and forward the T-Mobile chat reps hate me for switching so much times per day (micro Sim to nano Sim) but overall my head is leaning towards the nexus 5
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I soon as I read that I guessed this would be biased towards the N5. If you're gonna compare at least put them both on a level playing ground.

I will say that IOS's supposed speed/smoothness advantage is really overblown. I've spent enough time using iOS 7 on the iPhone 5S to get a good feel for the OS and the phone, and honestly, it feels slow next to my N5. I also don't understand why so many people are content to use a phone with such a tiny screen. Different strokes, I guess.

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I will say that IOS's supposed speed/smoothness advantage is really overblown. I've spent enough time using iOS 7 on the iPhone 5S to get a good feel for the OS and the phone, and honestly, it feels slow next to my N5. I also don't understand why so many people are content to use a phone with such a tiny screen. Different strokes, I guess.
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Or they have never tried anything else and think android is laggy and buggy and reboots all the time. Its all in the iKoolaid

I'm no apple fan but there's no way the nexus 5s camera is better than the iPhone's although I noticed you did qualify what you said with reference to HDR+. I've found that over a period of time the iPhones camera will give consistently better results. It really annoys me but it seems to be the way it is.
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They aren't equal though. It was compared to a 5c.
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I love my iPad air, but I could never go to Apple for all my devices. I love Android too much. Otherwise, I personally feel that both have their pros and cons and it's up to the user to decide what's important to them.

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Or they have never tried anything else and think android is laggy and buggy and reboots all the time. Its all in the iKoolaid
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I always have to laugh when someone tries to make an argument about Android being laggy. Maybe in 2011. It's no longer a valid argument.

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I will say that IOS's supposed speed/smoothness advantage is really overblown. I've spent enough time using iOS 7 on the iPhone 5S to get a good feel for the OS and the phone, and honestly, it feels slow next to my N5. I also don't understand why so many people are content to use a phone with such a tiny screen. Different strokes, I guess.
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Agreed. I just updated my iPad mini to the retina one and was expecting to be blown away by its speed and fluidity. Needless to say I was more than a little disappointed. It's fast, don't get me wrong, but the 2013 N7 feels more responsive to me even though it has only an S4 pro in it. Also, the iPad is quite laggy at times. Another big thing is stability- all the iOS fanboys argue about is how stable iOS is compared to Android, yet my experience has been the exact opposite. With my old 4s, my old 5, and my iPad I get constant app crashes and occasional UI freezes. Far more than on Android. The difference is that Android lets you know if something force closes whereas iOS tries to hide it. I still think iOS and iDevices in general are great products and have their merits, but Android has come a looooong way since its birth and there really is no comparison anymore. Android > iOS in pretty much all fronts.
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I soon as I read that I guessed this would be biased towards the N5. If you're gonna compare at least put them both on a level playing ground.
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Better yet, lets not compare at all. Various threads doing this and they are already too many in numbers
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I love the iOS's vast library of apps and sleek phone/tablet designs, but that's about it. I can not use a 4-inch screen. It literally hurts my eyes. I honestly wish that they made a 6 inch Nexus phone, because I love big screens. And like others have said, Android has come a very long way in terms of stability, support, and smoothness. But most people still think of those crappy Droid phones when they hear Android. Droid was a good name, but ultimately too close to "Android", so now people get them mixed up.
The Apple tax is just too much. I won't pay close to 100% more just for a logo and some aluminum.

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I will say that IOS's supposed speed/smoothness advantage is really overblown. I've spent enough time using iOS 7 on the iPhone 5S to get a good feel for the OS and the phone, and honestly, it feels slow next to my N5. I also don't understand why so many people are content to use a phone with such a tiny screen. Different strokes, I guess.
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IOS runs better on bad hardware, but Android is pretty smooth if you have a mobile/pad with good hardware.

Yeah I'll agree with you on a few things but not all. Price (32gb 5s is $749, 32gb N5 is $399). Build quality on the 5S (only iPhone I had) is great...way better than the Nexus 5. Camera is much better on the N5 with HDR+. Battery life is better on the 5S, no idea why. Apple customer service is miles ahead of LG's CS.
The major reason why I returned the 5S (I've been using android since the beginning of time and wanted to try the dark side out ) is because it was SO SLOW. Everything lagged and stuttered and crashed about 3 times a day. I have now lost all respect for iOS users who say Android crashes and lags. What are they comparing it to, some Alcatel phone?
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No, this used to be right. But with iOS 7 finally having the features that Android has (some), it lags a LOT on a CPU (A7) that supposedly beats the S800.

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What are they comparing it to, some Alcatel phone?.
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Some phone running Gingerbread most likely because that's all people know and it's cemented into their minds.

aooga said:
Yeah I'll agree with you on a few things but not all. Price (32gb 5s is $749, 32gb N5 is $399). Build quality on the 5S (only iPhone I had) is great...way better than the Nexus 5. Camera is much better on the N5 with HDR+. Battery life is better on the 5S, no idea why. Apple customer service is miles ahead of LG's CS.
The major reason why I returned the 5S (I've been using android since the beginning of time and wanted to try the dark side out ) is because it was SO SLOW. Everything lagged and stuttered and crashed about 3 times a day. I have now lost all respect for iOS users who say Android crashes and lags. What are they comparing it to, some Alcatel phone?
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No, this used to be right. But with iOS 7 finally having the features that Android has (some), it lags a LOT on a CPU (A7) that supposedly beats the S800.
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then i tell everyone, simply don't use IOS 7

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How is that possible with a 5S?
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Even gingerbread didn't lag as much as ios7 on my Captivate. ios7 is truly hopeless.

That's one opinion I guess.
2 Points don't make sense. You can't just give a win away by saying the iPhone wins battery life with less amps and still makes it thru the day. The iPhone is also 4" vs 4.95" screen. <720P screen vs 1080P etc.
The key point is to compare if either phone can get thru the same day doing the same things. Unfortunately out of the box the Nexus 5 does more things. G+, Gmail, GDrive they're all set to stayed sync'd out of the box. The iPhone out of the box does less background data movement.
Radio reception... how can you compare via the bars? They don't mean anything, they're 'feel good' bars. Can you make a call? how fast is the LTE etc... would determine which one wins. From many reviews online and looking at dbi comparisons with devices in hands there's no clear winner.
The Camera, even tho I own an N5 I'd have to give to the iPhone. The color accuracy is better on the iphone, the software stabilization is good enough. Overall it's also easier for the novice to use.
I came from an iPhone to the N5 and was hoping Apple would do something more with iOS7 other than make it look different and work slower. Android for my use has surpassed Apple in functionality. Though I will say for the things iOS does it does it really well and Android can still learn from it. Eg. The calendar the stock one sucks compared to Apple's stock calendar.
That all said the iPhone isn't worth the premium over the $350-$400 for the N5.

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Older versions of iOS run better on bad hardware. I don't think a lot of iPhone 4 owners were thrilled with their iOS 7 update.

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on phones running gingerbread, gingerbread is often the best option... it depends on hardware, jb has more hardware acceleration, but gingerbread is lighter on ram. as smooth as jb can feel on the home screen i think the overall performance os better with gb on many single core phones which is why cm7 was supported while cm9 was already out. still everyone has to have the latest and greatest and often convince themselves the new stuff is better when it's sometimes not true..
as far as the feel, apple has animations that may be smooth but there is a noticeable wait. with ios7 its not only a wait but there is a choppyness that android phones might have shown 2-3 years ago. the "long press" on apple also seems a bit longer. i really don't find apple phones to feel fast as much as they look smooth. just my opinion. don't get me wrong..i don't like the company but the device isn't that bad and as much as i hate the elitism of things that exist elsewhere but apple makes them proprietary and brands them for use on apple products only, they do make new tech easy and unintimidating to people that would never discover these things on a pc or android.
i prefer android but the android "ecosystem" is all over the place, some devices get updates, others don't. feature sets vary, build varies. there are literally thousands of devices and many gave people bad experiences. there are too many choices with android while there are no real choices with apple. you chose a color, storage size and 2 performance levels... the screen size doesn't change. the interface stays much the same. i actually prefer the old androids from a feature set point of view. i can do without a keyboard, actually i hate them, but a track ball make text navigations more precise and the menu button was useful. unfortunately people found it confusing (which says volumes about the intelligence of the general population) but i don't know how i went without 300+ ppi for all those years... a 5" screen is kinda big but with a 16:9 aspect ration a 4.2-4.7" screen would be the butter zone. with 16:10 4"-4.2" is good. apple needs to make a wider phone. and android manufacturers need to stop making so many damn phablets..

maxpower7 said:
I always have to laugh when someone tries to make an argument about Android being laggy. Maybe in 2011. It's no longer a valid argument.
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I think that people always compare these and say android is laggy because they have the latest iPhone and some cheap $49.99 android phone and are wondering why it's so bad. Obviously if you get a budget android phone it's not gonna be that good.....
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Older versions of iOS run better on bad hardware. I don't think a lot of iPhone 4 owners were thrilled with their iOS 7 update.
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THIS. So true