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I have lurked here a bit, originally joining a while ago to see what was possible with my XDA, but got rid of it before becoming very active. Now I am back with a WING and prayer, and technicaly still qualify as a NOOB.....
Here are my thoughts on the NOOB issue.
1. This is like a big party that we NOOBS just crashed. We show up and complain about the music, or the booze, when in truth we ought to be damn glad we are at the party at all.
2. There is an answer to almost every question buried somewhere in these forums, and if you cannot or will not search for it, then you are in the wrong place. This includes other phone model forums by the way. Don't search the Herald forum only ad then give up if there is no answer. Dig into other HTC forums and you will be surprised how many of the issues you have are already covered there.
3. This may be a personal belief, but it really pisses me off to see people encounter 1 bug and post that the ROM sucks and they are reverting. I view our collective roles as beta testers. Don't stop at 1 bug- actively seek out as many as you can so the next ROM is that much closer to perfect. I have a major issue with the ROM I am using now, but I reflash it and dig deeper anyway.
4. You will and should get flamed (or at least warmed up) for posting questions that have been answered 100,000 times before including in the post right above yours. The Chefs in the forum spend hours or even days and months cooking up these ROMS for our benefit. They are not paid to do this, though they should be (and Ihave sent donations to several). The point is, we can all spend 30 minutes going through the forum reading it all to see if the issue we have uncovered is already discussed before posting a question.
5. If you want the most out of this site, spend some effort, not only searching, but documenting. Posting you have a crash is not helpful unless you can add information like what other programs you installed (card or device), what you did to the create the issue, and how to recreate it. Then the ROM Chefs can more quicly cook up solutions.
6. Credit those who help or provide. It is human nature to appreciate being thanked or recognized- see my signature? Without those three names my Wing would be chained to the T-Mobile default ROM. Oh yeah, while on the subject- DO NOT SELL anything from this site.
Just my 2 cents....
Yes you are right.
We all started as noobs and now we yell at noobs.
BUT MAYBE the noobs from today are a little different to noobs in earlier day??????
I READ 1 year without any posting NOT EVEN when i got something to work. BECAUSE it didn´t matter if I posted. Because it was useless at all.
There are so many people out there working really hard - they don´t need another "damn i want it in red not green...."
There was a time when everyone believed each other... When the cook stated "I will find a solution" then everyone waited for this. and didn´t mentioned it again and again...
BTW I will close the thread. WE don´t need another OFF topic "How2discuss"
I wrote an announcement in HOW2.... and maybe we can start working on devices again and not on generel human beeing problems. The world is getting worse...
BUT your statement should be read by everyone!
IT is good and it is quite good to see people thinking the same....
Thanks
After some reading I came to find that you cannot dl paid apps if you root your phone. I would like to have the apps that I paid for. Is there anything like the iphone hacked phones where you can access the market?
With almost all of the recent ROMs you can download/access paid apps. That problem was fixed a loooooooonng time ago.
Wrong section, and if you would have done more reading you would have found that it is no longer a problem.
After some reading I came to find that you cannot dl paid apps if you root your phone. I would like to have the apps that I paid for. Is there anything like the iphone hacked phones where you can access the market?
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I find that basic reading and comprehension skills to be your main problem because it seems that your lack of these two key skills/superhuman abilities leads to you not being able to post this thread in the correct forum and not performing any type of search for an answer to your own question.
If we are able to solve these two of your presumed plethora of "issues" i believe that you'll live a better life etc. etc. etc...
stefan.buddle said:
I find that basic reading and comprehension skills to be your main problem because it seems that your lack of these two key skills/superhuman abilities leads to you not being able to post this thread in the correct forum and not performing any type of search for an answer to your own question.
If we are able to solve these two of your presumed plethora of "issues" i believe that you'll live a better life etc. etc. etc...
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I have a life, a very busy life, I'm not gonna sit here all day reading about my cell phone.
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I have a life, a very busy life, I'm not gonna sit here all day reading about my cell phone.
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Well, I hate to break it to you buddy, but this whole customization thing with the phones isnt a one stop shop. If you dont read, you're going to brick your phone. So since you have this all important life, and by implication, are too good to read up, perhaps you oughtta unroot until you have time to do things right, like maybe reading the sticky that says "dont post threads like this one in the freaking dev section".
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I have a life, a very busy life, I'm not gonna sit here all day reading about my cell phone.
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I'm sorry, I don't help stuck up idiots who can't even attempt to help themselves.
eabod....
If it really takes you all day of reading just to understand your cell phone, then you do have a problem.
As said the new roms dont suffer the same fate as the older ones. You should be just fine.
XDA is the wrong place to ask questions, even in the correct forum. People overall here seem to have a attitude that they know it all, and were born that way..its almost like they just jump on the bashing bandwagon simply because its the "happening" thing to do. Mind you only a very few are able to build and release roms, customizations and so on the rest are moochers only they like to pretend they are something special.
If you search, generally you will find what your looking for eventually, sometimes not at all and sometimes you find it but its so buried by other crap you dont know you found it. I guess your best bet is to make damn sure you posted your question in the correct forum, then hope that someone deems you important enough to answer..or just search the countless pages and deprive the bashers of the reason most are here and dont ask...my how the post counts would fall...you see a question asked and its jump on em fellas, he asked a question..1 smart remarks not enough, they line up to leave replies that most have thought of days earlier...just waiting to use it instead of simply linking to the answer, giving an idea where it may be found or something...nah, just bash em, that makes this place look all the more better, a much more friendly environment lol, whatever.
I enjoy xda, but honestly some of you make for a truly elementary experience, while a few others do a lot more...you come here for the roms, mods, hacks, for most of us not the ones we did, we can do or the ones we had a hand in creating..and you cant take a minute or two to answer a few questions? Think of the work the actual devs have done, the time involved, the testing over and over...wanna help some? Answer peoples simple questions without being an ass! If nothing else link em to where they should go!
I disagree, everytime these questions pop up, they are usually answered in the first reply, if not the second one.
But for the most part, I think being an ass is just a way to keep these wrong threads to the minimal.
I've never seen someone being an ass when a member ask a question (doesn't matter related to the topic of not) at the end of a ROMs' thread.
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I disagree, everytime these questions pop up, they are usually answered in the first reply, if not the second one.
But for the most part, I think being an ass is just a way to keep these wrong threads to the minimal.
I've never seen someone being an ass when a member ask a question (doesn't matter related to the topic of not) at the end of a ROMs' thread.
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I understand that, somewhat. But after his question was answered, do you see all the other people that posted, for no other reason then to try and belittle the guy that asked the question? Thats what I am referring to, those comments do nothing to help anyone, provide no use what so ever out side of making xda look like a buncha jerks.
Look at all the people that say its not helping by having questions in a release post, as it adds more to the dev having to sift over the comments, yet the " flashing now!" is just as off topic in reality as its not helping the dev know anything about any issues one may have..if people have to say "flashing now" then say I flashed, and heres what I found..see what I am saying?
Honestly people are going to be jerks on any forums, so it just comes with the territory. Usually you can avoid this by trying to learn some basic forum rules. Most are stickyed at the top of the forums. IMO use the search and spend like 15 to 20 mins to figure out what is going on in the forums. And then if your still stuck post in the Q&A forums.
The thing about this post that really roasts my goat is the OP lack of motivation to try and find his own answers. We are not his tech support and everybody here does this for free...Its disrespectful, insulting and lazy...
I have tons of respect for people that try to figure out problems for themselves first (search, google, read).
Please see this video [http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting] for proper forum etiquette. (I know, its old but its still damn funny and so true...)
@nickwinn does "eabod" really stand for what i think it stands for? if it does just mention something about the boondocks and i will know for sure
Elmi said:
I have a life, a very busy life, I'm not gonna sit here all day reading about my cell phone.
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Are we supposed to cater to your busy life when you decide to root your phone and not take the time to research more into it?
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Are we supposed to cater to your busy life when you decide to root your phone and not take the time to research more into it?
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but of course! what else are we here for? to help with reasonably asked questions where the poster doesn't get a massive attitude problem? of course not, we must be here to answer everyone of joe blow's question and disregard any attitude he/she may get!!!! please search next time before posting such mess ThR1LL
i think my head just burst from so much sarcasm
Hey at least the op took the time to read a little bit maybe it was outdated but a least he did try, so cut the guy some slack, he did better than some other people who read nothing and come right to here and expect some hand holding
People like the OP are why this forum is getting worse, and to ducter if you really think we are all assholes why do you come here? If you ask a question in the wrong forum we will most likely give you ****, but also give you a little help. If you use the correct forum we will help you, unless your question is ssomething you could of found out in less then 5 minutes by searching.
This forum has 100's of thousands of members and if half of them are asking questions that have been answered hundreds of times it clogs the forum and we lose sight of other valuable posts or people with real questions about problems that are new and have not been solved.
Furthermore when someone says some **** like they don't have time to read about there cell phone then why are you here in the first place? Don't root your phone or better yet goto the tmobile store and ask them to help you fix your rooted G1. If you can't take the time to read like everyone else does/should then go buy a lg env or something and maybe it will be simple enough for you to figure out.
What is the most stable Hero Rom available to flash to G1.... I tried JACHero and it was a lil tooo slugish for me main thing that bugged me was that when ever i tried to add widgets to home screen id get force close and i also couldnt change the wallpaper on home screen
really... reported
most of the latest versions that are out right now are sable enough to use right now for me. Everyone so far seems like they have text problems. I get about 50 to 70% of my texts. I can text my phone using AIM on my PC and only get a few of the ones i test. Also you need to make sure you follow all the steps so you have a working version. If i were to run a Hero build right now I would run Drizzy's Elite v0.5. With 32mb swap and 40 swappiness. That build over all to me feels like the most sable and I can run with more then 5 widgets and get no lag at all. This is also the build that I have ran for more then a few days. Just wait for the Devs to put out a build based off the Hero 2.0 dump. Texting might be fixed. Until then I would tell you to use CM builds.
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What is the most stable Hero Rom available to flash to G1.... I tried JACHero and it was a lil tooo slugish for me main thing that bugged me was that when ever i tried to add widgets to home screen id get force close and i also couldnt change the wallpaper on home screen
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ask these type of things in Q&A or search.
jacs 1.6r2a is pretty stable and decent speed. drizzy in my opinion usually has faster roms but he is working on a new update. and it depends on your sd card. class 6 is recommended
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really... reported
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and really... you had nothin to contribute to this. at least i said g nxt time post in q&a or search..
and at least i gave an answer.
Questions go int the Q&A section... Does it ever stop? And please search. Android has been out for a while so it's almost guaranteed that any question you have was answered at least 15 times.
atleast someone has had the sense to reply nicely and with being a jerk, no offense there dude but you came off a big ignorant right away with a reply of " Really... Reported. "
like how rude was that, could have just said that " hey this has already been asked and posted ina thread, please close thread and ask there.. "
and said that that was against the rules and be lucky to get a warning,
instead you reply harshly... how is it you expect others to learn, if you do not give a hand once in a while, you started off in same spot at one point im sure...
we all have.. try bein a bit nicer sometime, you never know who you might piss off... might have more experience then or i combined, ... lol, never know..
but anyways, yea try searching next time original poster, makes things a bit easier when you read up once in a while... trust me i know good luck, i use stable CM 4.0.4 over any hero out there, to slow right now on a G1
Reported? Sheesh. No offense, and I fully understand that this guy is really not trying too hard, but I feel his pain. Every Hero ROM thread claims that it's rom is the best and most stable and best for everyday use and fastest and all that jazz, but a clear report synopsizing all the salient features of ALL the major builds would be incredibly useful to myself and I'm sure many others. Anyone up for the challenge? And don't refer me to the various databases which are incomplete at best. I'm really looking for a major review here. Maybe one of the review sites? Except all they seem to report on is the Market Apps and basically ignore the rooted development community.
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atleast someone has had the sense to reply nicely and with being a jerk, no offense there dude but you came off a big ignorant right away with a reply of " Really... Reported. "
like how rude was that, could have just said that " hey this has already been asked and posted ina thread, please close thread and ask there.. "
and said that that was against the rules and be lucky to get a warning,
instead you reply harshly... how is it you expect others to learn, if you do not give a hand once in a while, you started off in same spot at one point im sure...
we all have.. try bein a bit nicer sometime, you never know who you might piss off... might have more experience then or i combined, ... lol, never know..
but anyways, yea try searching next time original poster, makes things a bit easier when you read up once in a while... trust me i know good luck, i use stable CM 4.0.4 over any hero out there, to slow right now on a G1
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The way I started on this forum was just search and read stickies bc I was too scared to post due to all the flaming for people who ask repetitive questions and threads in the wrong forum. I learned how to do pretty much everything I needed to learn without posting 1 comment for 6 months and only started posting to help people when they ask question in the right section or already in a thread. If I can search and read stickies for 6 months I don't see why nobody else can, and believe me I'm not some genius I just have common sense. Though I'm not gonna lie a report is pretty harsh lol
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The way I started on this forum was just search and read stickies bc I was too scared to post due to all the flaming for people who ask repetitive questions and threads in the wrong forum. I learned how to do pretty much everything I needed to learn without posting 1 comment for 6 months and only started posting to help people when they ask question in the right section or already in a thread. If I can search and read stickies for 6 months I don't see why nobody else can, and believe me I'm not some genius I just have common sense. Though I'm not gonna lie a report is pretty harsh lol
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well i remember when i tried to flash my 8525 i was confused and didnt understand. some people mayb not fully understand things and want a real quick answer. its natural for ppl to want the easy way out. and people have different ways of learning. some ppl can read and learn, some learn visually, some learn from direct feedback.
exactly well put there thR1ll... i am very well knowledged in many diff cellphone areas, ive unlocked many personal handsets over the years, unlocked and relfashed roms or whatnot over various diff providers, and types.. eg: CDMA, GSM, TDMA... nokia's, moto's, iPhones, HTC's, and i did it all from learning, reading, asking questions where and when needed... i was never rude, never impolite, but yes sometime even asked a few dumb one's myself without looking first... lol but yea, point has been proven, to next time post in proper section of forums, and for post repliers., to look it upon yourself to be a bit nicer, as you had to once yourself ask dumb things
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well i remember when i tried to flash my 8525 i was confused and didnt understand. some people mayb not fully understand things and want a real quick answer. its natural for ppl to want the easy way out. and people have different ways of learning. some ppl can read and learn, some learn visually, some learn from direct feedback.
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True but that doesn't change the fact each and every member should follow the forum's rules and guidelines despite how impatient or type of learner they are. I guarantee that if this thread was posted in Q&A you'd see a couple "use search" posts but not to the extent of possible flamage here seeing both "use search" and "post question in Q&A" lol.
a report is not a flame or harsh it only helps the mods cause they cant read all the forums all the time, and they have said as much. this belongs in one of the 3 THREADS AT THE TOP OF THE FORUM! and that was not yelling, it was only making emphasis.
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a report is not a flame or harsh it only helps the mods cause they cant read all the forums all the time, and they have said as much. this belongs in one of the 3 THREADS AT THE TOP OF THE FORUM! and that was not yelling, it was only making emphasis.
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well maybe so... jaaron.. but you could have gone about it in saying such instead of issuing a report so sooon, without advanced notification to the poor guy, thats all im saying, not bein a jerk, but specifying you have probably made a mistake yourself a few times getting ahead of where you were
I want to know why people are so impaitient to get a perfect hero! It takes time and still we won't have a perfect hero!
Drizzy
Isn't the actualy Hero itself semi-buggy still?
Drizzy Drake Rogers said:
I want to know why people are so impaitient to get a perfect hero! It takes time and still we won't have a perfect hero!
Drizzy
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ive tried a few versions of your roms there Drizz... and i have to admit, i could never dream to get as close to having hero running as you guys have...
ive done my own rom cooking on cdma diamond from htc, and i have to admit, it not be similar, but its still not that simple... regards to the good jobs so far
all i am going to say is.. i like chocolate ice cream, i snort fire ants, and i can take a roundhouse kick from chuck norris.. i am just that beast.
but anyways i want peoples opinion about this dudes auction
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120465340396&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
i personally hate him. his youtube channel is dumb and he thinks jacxhero1.1 is the best hero rom... even tho i told him theres sms issues but he just deleted my comment.
and oh yea his buy it now price is 450.. i think we should all send him hate mail.
and he said LIMITED EDITION whtie g1 lol
If you can't read even the title of the first three threads on this forum, you deserve to be reported... also, continually answering these questions in the wrong forum only encourages more of this kind of behavior, post in the right forum, and you probably won't get "jerk" answers... or be reported for that matter... also, the mods have requested that we stop answering these questions in the wrong forums, so really, reported...
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If you can't read even the title of the first three threads on this forum, you deserve to be reported... also, continually answering these questions in the wrong forum only encourages more of this kind of behavior, post in the right forum, and you probably won't get "jerk" answers... or be reported for that matter... also, the mods have requested that we stop answering these questions in the wrong forums, so really, reported...
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lol... typical...
all good with me, im done here, not gonna argue with know it alls...
good luck anyways
Is it just me or is the lack of Froyo turning some people on this forum into total dicks? The flaming, ASCII text, FFS comments, etc. Is it past your bed time? Is it you're taking your home or job stress out on other people? Grow up and be considerate of people once in a while.
I spent a year on the Incite forum; it wasn't as bad. Then I spent 6 months on the Pure forum and still didn't see this type of abuse. I read the whole congition forum before jumping and didn't see it this bad. It's just here in the general section. Something about this forum, phone or android is making its users very sour!
People ask for help or fire off questions without due process. Deal with it! Some people search better than others and some people don't empower themselves at all and just fire off questions before letting them sink in. I've been doing tech support for over a decade and know people come in all types. That's why we have Call in, KB's, Forums, Email, WebEx, etc... For modifying your phone or voiding your warranty; we have forums so accept everyone as they come. You stop posting your dumb ass comments and it will filter into the older pages. A simple already posted or subtle link to something already posted is more than sufficient.
It's just you.
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It's just you. The forum has been very helpful to me.
People flame you if you ask something stupid or obvious. "Deal with it!!"
Edit: Added quotations.
Just you.
If you search from the top level of the captivate forums it searches all sub forums. Your the one with all the exclamation points. If you work in a tech support field, you should really have thicker skin then you are demonstrating.
Moved to Q&A.
Also toning the language down in the first post a tad wouldn't hurt. You can get the same point across without being quite so confrontational.
People can be dicks about it..but they have every right to be when one someone asked a question that has been asked 20 times already,sometimes just 1 or 2 post back from where the question is asked. I understand people get in a hurry..don't read the instructions..the dog ate their homework..but come-on..
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+1 For It's Just You.
Every forum has factions that are smart asses or outright asses.
For the most part this forum is great and extremely helpful and i don't see any different tenor here than any other forum i have frequented.
+ a majority of people here have already been running froyo for sometime....so there is no lack.
+1 for its just u. I found this forum very helpful.
Edit: I never so far had to wait for even a couple hours before someone answered any question/request I posted here..
Wow.... That's all I'm saying...
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XDA >>>> androidforums.com
All I ever read on androidforums are people crying about when Froyo is released. ATT this, Samsung that, no Froyo cryyyyyy. And then none of them will flash a leaked Froyo build. It's like they are all so excited for the OTA to come full of AT&T apps which they'll just try and remove anyway.
It must be me.
The votes are in. It's just me
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XDA >>>> androidforums.com
All I ever read on androidforums are people crying about when Froyo is released. ATT this, Samsung that, no Froyo cryyyyyy. And then none of them will flash a leaked Froyo build. It's like they are all so excited for the OTA to come full of AT&T apps which they'll just try and remove anyway.
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To be fair, I do expect the official build to fix a lot of bugs we're having with the leaked roms, so I can see why people would be waiting for the official release. There's a whole thread in the general section about froyo problems, most of which haven't been resolved in the custom roms.
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The votes are in. It's just me
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lol... even still, i feel ya though.
When I first got my captivate I stumbled onto some Evo forums and thought that some of the conversations where quite a bit nastier than here. I was very pleased and thankful that I didn't have to deal with that while trying to decipher the unwritten language that seems to be somewhat unique to each Android device (which, IMO makes it hard to search for items with unfamiliar concepts or procedures and why we have people asking the same questions over and over... you know, besides just being lazy).
But I definitely don't think that's not as true anymore. It won't stop my addiction to reading, learning, and flashing new roms and kernels though!
What the hell is going on in this forum? I've never seen a forum with so many posts for other devices. If there are any mods out there, would you be so kind to clean this place up a little.
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I've been wondering the same thing. I realize XDA is a huge forum, but there are MANY Mods (so it seems). I find it hard to believe that these threads have been out of place for this long. I don't like to sound like I'm being rude, but there are threads that have been here for day after day and there's a list of mods at the top that look over this part of the forum. I know people have lives and all but I'd think that a mod would see things like "Xperia 8" "Zte v970m" and "monetize free desktop applications" and knew that something was wrong. o.o
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I'm sure we have been wondering that...
From my Count there are 20 threads that have nothing to do with the one and were posted all for other devices. Thats quite ridiculous. I think its time that I unsubscribe from the Question and troubleshooting forum for the HTC One. Its quite a waste of time. Too many posts for devices and problems I don't really care about.
Instead of instantly saying "wrong forum", you might try asking what steps did they take to get to this post. Just a thought.
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I can understand maybe the odd noob getting confused and posting in here related to a "One series" phone....but posting in here for a "sammy" phone? WTF....even a noob couldn't be that dumb....could they?:silly:
Deffo agree that the place could do with a big clean up though.:good:
I am sure there were people who were really confused and made mistake posting other devices' question here.
BUT! This should not happen so frequently like this! People are noob in solving their phone's problem but are not so blind that they can't see the forum title!
So I believe this is organized activity that aims to mess up our htc one q&a section. They actually achieved their goal, see people are not subscribing to this section few posts above.
This is very sad, not trying to point finger to anyone/any company behind this, but if you consider xda forum is so powerful now those company's marketing people could easily use this place to promote their product, or on the other hand, prevent people from accessing valuable information by distracting them, then in the end, make them lose interest or potentially delay their decision of buying the forum related product.
We are all clever enough to figure out, if my theory is true, who is more likely behind this and so afraid of HTC's new flag ship One!
I think what we should do is, keep sticking to this forum, and post more related topics actively to show our support to our beloved device. We need this q&a section and it is down to us in the end to keep it active!
actually, I found it quite amusing, every time I come here, there were new posts asking unrelated questions, and this actually makes me come here more often.
Also, I would like to point out, we should NEVER answer those unrelated question but only point out they are posted at the wrong place, and only the first one or two people doing that will be enough. We want those threads die out quickly not keep remerging at the top!!!
Please help all of us keep this place as it should be! And keep calm and carry on.
Reported all the threads which should not be here to the mods so hopefully they will pop along and do a quick tidy up for us.
How does one become a mod anyways? Because I've never seen any of the mods for these forums, I'd rather see one of us (that is seen on the ONE forums frequently) to become a mod that way at least we have someone who will see all these post about different devices.
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How does one become a mod anyways? Because I've never seen any of the mods for these forums, I'd rather see one of us (that is seen on the ONE forums frequently) to become a mod that way at least we have someone who will see all these post about different devices.
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They used to take applications, not anymore
We have plenty on mods, they just won't really moderate this forum until the device is released
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So where are the mods?
We are here of course. I alone have moved 15 threads today to the right forums, and I must admit that I also haven't seen so many ill-placed posts anywhere yet. Maybe the One-Forum is like a magnet, lol. Or it really is some deliberate action.
Those threads are taken care of if reported or if seen by coincidence. But we don't open every thread in Q&A. And at least the ones I have moved today were not recognizable as misplaced from the thread title. Or would you see from "Never worked" that the poster meant his SGS3?
So I close this now.
It seems there has been some kind of technical issue, which meant threads ended up in this forum, without actually having been posted in this forum.