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Separate radio for 3G?

Are there two physical radios in the Tilt/TyTN II? I ask because I'm experiencing a strange problem that nobody else seems to have seen before. That, or nobody noticed my posts here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335096
The problem is that phone/data work fine when the phone is in non-3G mode. (In the Comm Manager, available in most recent ROMs, I have disabled the 3G mode, so I'm using only GSM here in the US).
In 3G mode, I'll get a 3G icon (used to get an H, months ago), but will be unable to place/receive calls, and no data connections will be established -- they'll all time out or say that "the answering modem has disconnected."
So, back to my question: is it possible that my radio is partly damaged? Can that happen? I'm not sure how else to explain the utter lack of 3G on my phone.

can't have a damaged radio, you could have the wrong radio for the device and/or version of windows mobile. 3g only works if in 3g area,have it enabled and turned on through comm manager.also make sure you're network settings are correct and make sure phone is set to auto in networks tab in phone settings,not set to gsm/cdma
PS, the search tool/wiki are you're friends since this has been covered too many times

dyetheskin said:
can't have a damaged radio, you could have the wrong radio for the device and/or version of windows mobile. 3g only works if in 3g area,have it enabled and turned on through comm manager.also make sure you're network settings are correct and make sure phone is set to auto in networks tab in phone settings,not set to gsm/cdma
PS, the search tool/wiki are you're friends since this has been covered too many times
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Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, I've tried everything I can think of, and everything suggested. Nearly ever ROM I've seen, with nearly every radio; every combination of wap.cingular, isp.cingular, etc. The AT&T store thinks the phone is defective b/c they can't figure it out, either. In response to your comments: tried every version of windows mobile and most of the radios available; I'm very much in a HSDPA 3G area (used to get 5 bars "H" all the time); 3G is enabled; network settings are correct; phone is set to auto/auto.
Any other ideas, anyone? I appreciate it!

I've been have the same exact problem. I posted about it about a month and a half ago, but got nothing.
Everything worked perfectly until one day, out of nowhere, 3G stopped working for me. I've also tried multiple radios and ROMs and to no avail. The weird thing is that when it stopped working, nothing had been changed in months.
I know that I'm definitely in a 3G coverage area because I used to get 3G service all the time.
If I turn 3G on, it'll work in an edge only area, but as soon as it switches over to WCDMA, the problems occur.
This is super aggravating.

AndyNJ said:
I've been have the same exact problem. I posted about it about a month and a half ago, but got nothing.
Everything worked perfectly until one day, out of nowhere, 3G stopped working for me. I've also tried multiple radios and ROMs and to no avail. The weird thing is that when it stopped working, nothing had been changed in months.
I know that I'm definitely in a 3G coverage area because I used to get 3G service all the time.
If I turn 3G on, it'll work in an edge only area, but as soon as it switches over to WCDMA, the problems occur.
This is super aggravating.
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Well, the good part is, you're not alone. I found another forum online (can't remember where, I'm at work now and I found it last night) were several people were having the exact same problem -- in various countries around the world, including the US.
They had decent luck flashing the stock HTC ROM and then the French radio mentioned on the big XDA radio post (search google for "kaiser radio" and you should see it). However, I did the same and still have the 3G problem.

did you try using a shipped att rom and see if you still have this problem? if the problem goes away, then maybe its just a rom/radio mismatch problem. if it doesnt, then its more likely a hardware failure.

I'm in france, and since few days, i've the same problem, and i haven't change the radio. the phone is going for repair.
link to my post

XtreMe_G said:
did you try using a shipped att rom and see if you still have this problem? if the problem goes away, then maybe its just a rom/radio mismatch problem. if it doesnt, then its more likely a hardware failure.
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Yep -- I've tried going all the way back to the original ROM and radio. No go.

yeantbron said:
I'm in france, and since few days, i've the same problem, and i haven't change the radio. the phone is going for repair.
link to my post
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Can you keep us posted on what happens when it comes back? If it's really a hardware problem, many inquiring minds would love to know.
Bonne chance!

chaosniner said:
Are there two physical radios in the Tilt/TyTN II? I ask because I'm experiencing a strange problem that nobody else seems to have seen before. That, or nobody noticed my posts here:
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As mentioned in this thread, some shipments of the TyTN II have faulty hardware with broken 3G support.
No patch or driver update can fix this because it is a hardware problem. I experienced exactly the same issue with my first TyTN II and finally replaced it with a new device which works flawlessly out of the box.
I believe you should also better get your device replaced if you ever want to use 3G.

Can you keep us posted on what happens when it comes back? If it's really a hardware problem, many inquiring minds would love to know.
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Yes of course !

Well, 4 days to receive my phone !!
and they have changed :
_motherboard
_antenna
and MAJ rom and radio
Version de ROM : 1.56.163.8 ===> 1.56.163.9
Date de ROM : 09/04/07 ===> 10/15/07
Version de radio : 1.27.12.11 ===> 1.27.12.32
Version de protocole : 22.45.88.07H ===> not changed

are you saying you have gotten your phone back? is it working now?

3G Issues still - Help needed!

Hey all,
I've had my TyTn II for a while now and everything's been ok.
I recently upgraded my rom, from an old Duttys rom to a new one, since doing that my phone would not pick up signal at all - I couldn't phone and people couldn't phone me - it looked like my phone had reception but the second I went to call all the bars dropped off.
I posted on here. - It's the radio people assured me. I swapped radios. 1 million times.
Everytime, the 3g would work for a few hours and then the same problem.
I decided it was the rom. I installed a different duttys rom yesterday, and low and behold, the phone worked. Calls, tinterwebs the works.
Got home. Same old problem.
The one thing that links the roms is they're both Windows 6.1.
I'm using a MDA Vario 3 on T-Mobile UK.
Can anyone help me?

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No one had this before? Or any ideas? Seriously, if someone solves this I'll paypal them £20 as a thanks - it's getting on my nerves THAT much!

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No one had this before? Or any ideas? Seriously, if someone solves this I'll paypal them £20 as a thanks - it's getting on my nerves THAT much!
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If you want to stick with WM6.1 do as follows:
(i hope you've got HARDSPL...)
Run the TriColor mode and install radio same as i do (signature)
when it start to restarts hold the camera button so you can boot tricolor again without loading rom.
Install your favorite ROM,
When everything is configured, run Connection setup again and restart your phone. Test it.
If it still doesent give anything it could problem with some third party apps or your device itself.
You can try my configuration it works perfectly for me.
Cheers,
Chris

Giving that a go today - will chuck you over some $$$ wonga if it works! Thanks.

I hope that everything will work fine for you. Im always happy to help.
Cheers,
Chris

Tried - No joy - but thanks - anyone else got any ideas?

I have a similar issue. On my 3rd phone now (Orange) due to phone not connecting in 3g mode to make calls. Seems to be an issue where it fails to switch automatically between GSM and 3G, although it often shows there is a network connection (even though there isn't - really anoying).
However, by turning off hsdpa it finally seems (6 hours or so) to stay connected to the network and able to make calls. Can anyone else with the same problem try this?
I don't enough about hsdpa to understand why having it switched on should make a difference, unless it changes the functionality of the radio. Suggestions welcomed.

You may have a faulty handset.
Exactly the same problem as my friend experienced with his MDA Compact 2. I tried flashing new ROMS and it seemed to fix it but in time he'd begin to suffer from a disappearing signal bar and random dropouts before, during and after calls.
You could try turning your network to GSM only and see if that makes a difference. I'm on T-Mobile and I know that last week I couldn't use my phone in 3G mode for 36 hours or more owing to a network problem in my area, gsm worked fine though.

not convinced about the faulty handset although it is a possibility.
I am starting to think that with the hsdpa enabled it somehow changes the way data and voice calls are handled.
Really could do with some opinions on hsdpa and whether enabling it or disabling it changes the functionality of the phone or the interaction with the networks

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No one had this before? Or any ideas? Seriously, if someone solves this I'll paypal them £20 as a thanks - it's getting on my nerves THAT much!
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Just search a bit in the Kaiser forum, quite a few people (including me) have had similar problems. Radio hardware on some units is faulty and requires return to service center for repair.
The radio starts by not being able to send/receive calls/data on 3G while it still works on GSM, then later GSM will eventually fail too.

T-mobile have had problems with there 3G in the last week in northern Uk. I am still getting a few problems each day as you describe. I dont know, but I am assuming they are doing some repairs

kilrah said:
Just search a bit in the Kaiser forum, quite a few people (including me) have had similar problems. Radio hardware on some units is faulty and requires return to service center for repair.
The radio starts by not being able to send/receive calls/data on 3G while it still works on GSM, then later GSM will eventually fail too.
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Still, my experience is that there maybe faulty hardware out there, but by disabling hsdpa everything is fine. I'm currently making plenty of calls on 3g network, dowloading lots of data on 3g network. My previous problems were when the handset showed it was connected to the 3g network when it wasn't able to take or make calls or download data. Before, the only thing I had tried was manually selecting GSM in the connection settings.
I'm not saying that disabling hsdpa is a good thing or a solution, just that it might help some smart person to identify what is going wrong.
Any help out there?

htc diamond freezing

Hi!
i am new here, and i do have a problem.
I have my HTC Diamond since 2 weeks, and it is blocking (freezing) once per day: the device is on standby, i try to turn it on, but nothing happens, always a black screen, not even the restart button works; the only solution is to remove and put back the battery.
the issue is that if someone calls me during this "freeze", he gets that my phone is ringing; but i get nothing; and not even a missed call after i succeed to turn it on.
- ROM version: 1.93.479.3 WWE
i highly appreciate if somone can help me with this problem.
thanks,
Tony

I've had this exact problem, but the reset button on the back does work when this happens. I'm in the US on T-Mobile in NYC using a European Diamond. I work in a building that has very weak T-Mobile coverage and I've found that I only get the problem when I am at work. On the weekends and at night, the problem never happens because I am usually in an area that has either no coverage or good coverage. I have not eliminated the problem, but I have discovered that setting the network type to "GSM" and the band to "UMTS(850+1900)GSM(850+1900)" reduces the incidence of the problem for me to once every few days. I'd love to hear a good solution to the problem as well.

sounds like a problem with the Radio, it could be that the weak signal is causing the phone problems.
Try flashing a newer Radio version, and make sure all the settings (as Drachen said) are correct.
If you arent happy with Flashing a Radio, then send it back and get a repacement (chances are it will have newer firmware)

I have the exact same issue as you have. I had basically tried all sorts of ROMS, be it stock or cooked. It seems that since the upgrade to all v1.93 roms, this problem became more frequent.
Check this link here. I posted some screenshots of my problems there.
http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?showtopic=102551
I've tried Vic's rom, Swift's roms, stock 1.93 rom with stock spl etc.. all with no success. it would be stable for the first 1-2 days after flashing, but immediately after that, it will happen like twice a day.
Like your case, I'm having this "whitenoise" screen (instead of a blank screen, which i used to have at times also) and I tried calling myself from my land line. I can hear the ringing but my phone does not respond.
So since then, here's my suggestion.
DISABLE your TouchFlo3D. Use default Today screen or SPB Mobile Shell. Thats what I did and I haven encountered a single issue since then for 2 days straight. Try it for a day or two to see.
Base on my analysis, our Diamonds has a defect on the 3D gpu chip. Cos corruption only occurs on programs using the HTC 3D driver (e.g. the OpenGLES api from Koush) while normal 2D functions is perfect.
I am waiting for the next ROM update to see if it fixes the issue before I send in my set for repair before my warranty ends, but I feel its gonna be hard to replicate the issue to the service engineer.

I'm going to wait until the end of the week to declare that the problem has been solved, but I'm having a LOT of luck with the latest radio ROM (v1.00.25.BS14) since it was posted on Fri morning (for me), and have had no freezing problems through the end of Tues. Tony1313, try upgrading to the latest radio ROM on the radio ROM thread in the development forum for a while and see if it helps you. Another set of eyes on the problem would be good.
knave, I don't think the cause of the problem for you is the same as it is for me. I haven't gotten any graphical glitches yet on my Diamond and I've only seen the snow screen you're talking about once when charging overnight (in the 3 months I've had the Diamond). As I mentioned, the crashes only happen in one location (my office) and never happen after-hours, weekends or on vacation. The two things I did to reduce the frequency of problems (that helped) were to change Exchange Activesync from "Automatic" to "Manual" during work hours and to set the bands in the control panel as above. All that makes me believe my problem is radio/reception related.

Drachen said:
I've had this exact problem, but the reset button on the back does work when this happens. I'm in the US on T-Mobile in NYC using a European Diamond. I work in a building that has very weak T-Mobile coverage and I've found that I only get the problem when I am at work. On the weekends and at night, the problem never happens because I am usually in an area that has either no coverage or good coverage. I have not eliminated the problem, but I have discovered that setting the network type to "GSM" and the band to "UMTS(850+1900)GSM(850+1900)" reduces the incidence of the problem for me to once every few days. I'd love to hear a good solution to the problem as well.
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Hi Drachen I did a similar thing to you except I set it too GSM + AUTO it solved my SOD problems completely. Here is my story.
I had the Standby of Death SOD this is when the phone fails to come out of standby with a power button press. This issue only affects some people on some networks. I'm not sure if its a network problem or a software problem but as only a minority of people have it, I suspect its mainly a network problem there is a software solution.
The solution is to change the phone settings band option from auto 3G/2G to either 3G Only (WCDMA + UTMS 2100 in Europe) or 2G Only (GSM + AUTO) depending on your requirements.
Also read this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=540943&highlight=standby&page=2 where the resolution was to get a new SIM.
Obviously this only solves the problem when the crash is because of the sim and/or settings which impact the sim. To rule out a software cause its best to start with a hard reset.

i have freezes many times each day, even if im using it with no sim card. i don't even know what to do.
i have a stock rom.

I bet you got the 1.93 ROM and not 2.03, go update to it!

My problem is:
when a turn it on, it just show htc background and that's all
who faced with this problem?

Help me with my g1

My g1 have big problem, it loss signal all day, most the time. I tried turn on air plane mode and turn off, or retart the phone, wipe, up another rom, up newest radio version, use 2g network only. But it doesn't work.
It loss signal random, i can't control or do something to have signal again. even i change many other sim cards. but i discover one thing: seem this problem related air plane mode. because in some rom version, i turned off air plane mode but it didnt, even i restart my phone it still on. i must take out the battery for long time and put it again.
Some time it have signal again but it only for short time.
How can i fix this problem, please help me.

please someone can help me. my phone isn't a phone anymore

hhmmm...Try to upgrade to the latest radio for g1. If that doesn't help, maybe your rom has messed up apn settings or the service in your area dropped.

UberMario said:
hhmmm...Try to upgrade to the latest radio for g1. If that doesn't help, maybe your rom has messed up apn settings or the service in your area dropped.
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I can add few things to this since I experience loss of signal multiple times every day:
I have 2 G1s. On both of them it happens:
1. Using different ROMS (CM, Super-D, OpenEclair)
2. Using different recoveries (RA 1.5.2 and 1.6.2)
3. At different times of the day
4. Using different radios (older radio and the newest one, sorry I can never remember the numbers)
5. Across different states ( I took one of them thru 5 different states and it kept loosing signal)
What happens is that I start a program that requires data (twidroid, FB, Gmail, Market) and I see my connection get stuck on the uplink, go away completely and restart the radio. Another way it will do it, is that it will stay on blank screen (or downloading screen) and there will be no uplink or downlink shown)
Tried: wiping, re-flashing radio, re-flashing rom, getting rid of few apps.
Anyone with any insight on this? I can get a log next time this happens if anyone wants to take a look.
Thank!

i tried many diferent rom, radio, and recorvery too. but it still doesn't work?
Now i discover that any connect in my g1 seem doesn't work. wifi can search but when i connected it can't open any page even google. gps can receavie signal, bluetooth can turn on but no one can see me or i can' connect to my headset bluetooth.
May i think it is mainboard's problem? i opened my g1 and see anten signal very perfect, don't have any space or something like that.

FRF85B radio breaks AT&T 3G?

Well I don't know what to make of this. I went back to a stock recovery image. Manually downloaded the a EBF54B images zip, fastboot flashed all the images, then manually applied the FRF85B update...
Well my 3G (in Salt Lake) is all screwed up, 3G icon appears, but can't get any damn data. Browser not working, martket doesn't work, can't sync.
I was originally running a rooted version of FRF85B that someone had provided and was having major issues with the Froyo radio as well yesterday.
Anyone else on AT&T hating life? 2G seems to work just fine.
EBF54B seems to sign in and work fine too.
I should mention this seems to be partially intermittent. A page will occasionally start to load and then stop and die, a speedtest (speedtest.net app) will start and then just time out... and then report 0.
-James

Make sure you download the universal update -- There are two builds, if I recall properly -- FRF85 and FRF85B -- FRF85B is for TMO and straight FRF85 is for ATT
http://android.clients.google.com/packages/passion/signed-passion-ota-42745.dc39ca1f.zip

Which stock recovery did you use?

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Make sure you download the universal update -- There are two builds, if I recall properly -- FRF85 and FRF85B -- FRF85B is for TMO and straight FRF85 is for ATT
http://android.clients.google.com/packages/passion/signed-passion-ota-42745.dc39ca1f.zip
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Thanks so much! I'll try this.

tokyomonster said:
Make sure you download the universal update -- There are two builds, if I recall properly -- FRF85 and FRF85B -- FRF85B is for TMO and straight FRF85 is for ATT
http://android.clients.google.com/packages/passion/signed-passion-ota-42745.dc39ca1f.zip
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Nope, that's wrong. FRF85B is for all Nexus one phones.
OP, why don't you try dialing *#*#4636#*#* in the dialer and checking to make sure your phone settings are "WCDMA preferred"?

J.L.C. said:
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The recovery.img that comes with EPE54B

Clarkster said:
Nope, that's wrong. FRF85B is for all Nexus one phones.
OP, why don't you try dialing *#*#4636#*#* in the dialer and checking to make sure your phone settings are "WCDMA preferred"?
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Have full 3G signal strength, never had to do that on AT&T. Had a T-Mobile N1 once, needs to do it then

tokyomonster said:
Make sure you download the universal update -- There are two builds, if I recall properly -- FRF85 and FRF85B -- FRF85B is for TMO and straight FRF85 is for ATT
http://android.clients.google.com/packages/passion/signed-passion-ota-42745.dc39ca1f.zip
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Well this didn't improve anything. Maybe there is some network issue here. Thing that worried me is that I asked an AT&T friend to check their data and theirs worked.
Damn.
Well I'll have to try at home and see if I'm not just experiencing some localized data issue.
On a side not, that so called universal update you linked me, well it says FRF85B in my phone info so I don't see what the difference is.

I think my phone is busted. No change or improvement based on location. Data is just DAO. Says it's connected, has full signal, but mostly just times out, or doesn't do anything at all.

jmacdonald801 said:
I think my phone is busted. No change or improvement based on location. Data is just DAO. Says it's connected, has full signal, but mostly just times out, or doesn't do anything at all.
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Try what clarkster said, a few people had this problem.
OP, why don't you try dialing *#*#4636#*#* in the dialer and checking to make sure your phone settings are "WCDMA preferred"?

P00r said:
Try what clarkster said, a few people had this problem.
OP, why don't you try dialing *#*#4636#*#* in the dialer and checking to make sure your phone settings are "WCDMA preferred"?
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I did this, it was set to wideband preferred.
For a luagh, I tried putting the EPE54B radio on it (left FRF85B on it), and it's still messed up.
It will cut in an out during a speedtest (still with full bars) and most of the time just time out and puke.
Browser is also highly intermittent. Usually data stops flowing before I can get more than web page to load.
Any more ideas?
Changing the radio didn't help.
Using default APN settings...

Do you have any lock screen apps installed?

jmacdonald801 said:
I did this, it was set to wideband preferred.
For a luagh, I tried putting the EPE54B radio on it (left FRF85B on it), and it's still messed up.
It will cut in an out during a speedtest (still with full bars) and most of the time just time out and puke.
Browser is also highly intermittent. Usually data stops flowing before I can get more than web page to load.
Any more ideas?
Changing the radio didn't help.
Using default APN settings...
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Do you use SwitchPro Widget?

I was on FRF72, and went to FRF85B, I thought everything was ok till I went out earlier today, I got NO data at all, no edge or 3g, icons wouldn't show up.
Tried 2G only, didn't work, also checked that WCDMA PREFERRED was selected. Nothing.
Did a nandroid back to FRF72 and all was fine.
So I nandroid back again to FRF85B, WIPED, and redid my phone, and 3G works great.

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SwitchPro had me thinking my phone was dead yesterday after an update killed everyone's 3g.

This is issue is on a stock FRF85B. No apps other than default, and my restored bookmarks.

Same problem. 100% stock no root or unlock. 3G icon shows up and down activity but pages wont always load and browser and apps that use internet constantly lag. On WiFi the issue isn't there.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

i have been having same problem my radio is 4.06.00.12_7 (if needed) cant seem to get any download speed when useing 3g. edge works just fine. could use some help cause i rely on data.

My problem seems better today, but I am still experiencing severe intermittent data.
Full signal, 3G... it's almost like the data connection just goes to sleep and won't wake up again.
If you refresh the web page a few times, after a few minutes it finally comes back, but then all of a sudden, about 30 second to a minute into loading a page, it just stops...
The problem is in Maps and Market to... it starts to load... stops... or sometimes won't start at all, like maps won't start loading tiles.
Very frustrating.
-James

My 3 week old stock unrooted N1 seems to have lost 3G as well after the Froyo FRF85B update last night.
No signal problem as I live right next to a tower which provides me with a very strong signal and 3G always worked solid with Eclair. Pulled out the sim and placed it in my Nokia E71 a couple of times today to check the network and I have plenty of 3G data speed so I don't think it's an ATT issue.
If I click on 'use 2G only' in the settings, Edge seems to be working fine. Just no 3G. I could see from the data "stats" app that a few kb/s must have transferred through 3G in the past 24 hours but I'm not sure as it's useless for anything else that requires data.
I've spent the last 8 hours messing with my phone and googling a fix to no avail. I found this thread to see that someone else has this unfortunate problem as well, sigh. I hope there's a fix out there somewhere.
To say I'm been gutted is an understatement
-Chris