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Should I Not Buy New Kaiser Because of Video Problems?

Hi All,
I currently own an HTC magician. I want a new phone with everything the magician has plus GPS, WIFI, more RAM, and a keyboard. The only phone I found that comes close is the Kaiser, but I've heard such bad things about the video driver problem.
Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?
Do I have any other options with those specs?
Thanks,
Daniel

I have a Kaiser and I am very happy with it, because I can do so much with it. However if a bit of lag annoys you greatly it may not be for you.
Surur

NO. Wait some time whether the issue get resolved. Its not only the video - the whole phone is slow. You can not browse, rotating you screen. If i make a call with skype, the phone is really very slow and if i slide the keyboard and the screen orientation switches it can take up to minute to be updated - with nothing in background and free mem - only skype running. And until it switches you cant hang up, change the volume...nothing.
To be honest, i regret buying the Kaiser. And if i see how fast a cheap HiPhone can be, omg!
I wonder how HTC can have this on their webpage: More powerful than anything you've seen before, the HTC TyTN II takes communications to the next level.
You have to be blind a live 5years back, for the slogan to be true...
I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
Beware!

wait for kaiser fix

If video is not heavily used, buy it now. I bought it recently and like it very mcuh. But higher performance is still demanded...

fredbred said:
I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
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better device with 3g, wifi, and wm6? like what?
get the kaiser...it's no slower then any other wm6 device out there and although yes it would be nice if we could play more games, normal res video runs perfectly fine.

fredbred said:
NO. Wait some time whether the issue get resolved. Its not only the video - the whole phone is slow. You can not browse, rotating you screen. If i make a call with skype, the phone is really very slow and if i slide the keyboard and the screen orientation switches it can take up to minute to be updated - with nothing in background and free mem - only skype running. And until it switches you cant hang up, change the volume...nothing.
To be honest, i regret buying the Kaiser. And if i see how fast a cheap HiPhone can be, omg!
I wonder how HTC can have this on their webpage: More powerful than anything you've seen before, the HTC TyTN II takes communications to the next level.
You have to be blind a live 5years back, for the slogan to be true...
I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
Beware!
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This may all be true if you're still using the stock ROM. There are some really smokin' cooked ROMs out there that really speed things up and make the Kaiser a truly enjoyable device.
One other thing, show me a PC that doesn't slow down once in awhile. That's what defrag is for.

Delta_flyer said:
One other thing, show me a PC that doesn't slow down once in awhile. That's what defrag is for.
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So you equate flashing a cooked ROM with clicking the "Defrag" button? One is a feature built into the operating system, the other can void your warranty and potentially brick your device. They're nowhere near the same thing.
I'm telling everybody I know to avoid HTC like the plague. Not so much directly because of the video issues, but because of their lack of accountability. They deliberately released a crippled device in hopes that nobody would notice, and are now working on some half-assed "fix" only because of the publicity that was generated by the XDA community.

Get one. I was in the same boat hesitating about the drivers. I am glad i made my decision. I upgraded from a 8525. Glad i did i have everything i need in one device. GPS Wifi, processing power. Im not sure what the full potential of this chip is supposed to be but its fast. I actually got mine refurbished from att about a month ago. After using it i ended up buying another one today for my wife and paying full price. Im not disatisfied. Definatly waht i would expect out of a 400 dollar phone.

Like most answers, it lives in the question.
"Because of Video Problems". Do you need or want to view videos not converted to 320x240 resolution? If you do need or want that that from your new expensive mobile device, then pass. ---- NO KAISER FOR YOU!
If you want a snappy interface and quick file browsing experience, then wait for the HTC "fixes". But still forget lag-free video at source resolutions above 320x240. ---------- > Get a Kaiser, and hope you can fix it.
Do you want fancy graphical VGA games or anything 3D? Forget the Kaiser.
Do you want a Windows Mobile 6 device that has real GPS, WiFi, 3G, Edge, 2 cameras (one for video calls, one for decent pics), querty keyboard, and bluetooth? And are able to put up with the device doing NONE of those things particularly well, then ----> Get a Kaiser.
I have a Kaiser. I live through its quirks. Its a fun device depending on your definition of "fun".
Do I regret paying $850+ for my device even knowing I was an early adopter? Yes. The device advertised was not the device delivered.
Would I discourage others from buying it at a $200 USD price point? No.
But then again, its up to you and what you expect from your device.

With Schap's ROM (4.31) and Coreplayer 1.2 i needn't a fix for "video pb"
I don't play 3D game.

Do not listen to most of what the naysayers have to say here. I have an iMate K-Jam and now I have an HTC TyTN II. I have done many comparison tests between the two devices. The TyTN II wins HANDS DOWN!!!
Driver problems? What driver problems? I have yet to find any lag on any video except maybe a bit on the camcorder app, but that's not a big issue. I watch full feature movies on Coreplayer and I have used TCPMP and WM Player with wayyyyyyyy BETTER performance than on my K-Jam!!!
Don't even think about it, go right ahead and buy a TyTN II, you will not regret it. Problem is most people drag these devices through their backsides and then they complain about this and that. They replace roms, install and uninstall all sorts of crap and then they wonder why it's acting up!!!
I have had my TyTN II since the 15th January this year and I have not experienced any of the so-called problems mentioned by some in this forum. OK, the battery does get used up quicker, but then again it has so much packed in and you can get 3000 mAH batteries now!!!
This sub-forum (Kaiser) is more like the Cheese & Whine forum!!!
BUY IT!!!!

Hey is this a HTC deHey is this a HTC dealer Thread?
The TyTN isn’t a finished device. There are much more bugs and “features” which should be avoid.
1 Video – its really slow. I don’t mind games, I even don’t watch video , because I have other devices for this, but if I wan to scroll the internet page, that’s not the speed I have never seen before! Why takes it so long to switch between portrait and landscape?
And the video from the camera I also pretty slow.
2 Speed – I have used a Fujitsu siemens n560. It was MUCH faster even if it was older and has 64mb ram.
3 The keyboard – this was one of the features why I have chosen tytn. But why they do not think if the do anything. Omg where is the ctrl key? How can you copy and paste? I have always to use the pen for it. No they put rather a key for opening the explorer, which I have used twice so far. And why have I to use the fn key to write a comma? And do you like the style of the keys? Its not even possible to write comfortably the last row of keys if you bent the display? And why are the functions of the keys doubled? Its for disabled people or maybe if you bite off some finger bored from waiting? I would expect that I can configure every key not to have three key for OK two for enter…
And maybe try to write any non-English letter – no we are in the world where no others languages exist.
I tell you, they are not selling what they are telling – What you have been told is not what you get.
What is good – the speed of gps starting, If you use quick gps.
Have a look how fast a under $200 device can be! Put Hiphone in youtube and you will know how fast the screen should react and switch.
Its not only about the damn driver, the parts of the phone are not finished. Not if the producer tells you: It’s the best you can get...

fredbred said:
Hey is this a HTC deHey is this a HTC dealer Thread?
The TyTN isn’t a finished device. There are much more bugs and “features” which should be avoid.
1 Video – its really slow. I don’t mind games, I even don’t watch video , because I have other devices for this, but if I wan to scroll the internet page, that’s not the speed I have never seen before! Why takes it so long to switch between portrait and landscape?
And the video from the camera I also pretty slow.
2 Speed – I have used a Fujitsu siemens n560. It was MUCH faster even if it was older and has 64mb ram.
3 The keyboard – this was one of the features why I have chosen tytn. But why they do not think if the do anything. Omg where is the ctrl key? How can you copy and paste? I have always to use the pen for it. No they put rather a key for opening the explorer, which I have used twice so far. And why have I to use the fn key to write a comma? And do you like the style of the keys? Its not even possible to write comfortably the last row of keys if you bent the display? And why are the functions of the keys doubled? Its for disabled people or maybe if you bite off some finger bored from waiting? I would expect that I can configure every key not to have three key for OK two for enter…
And maybe try to write any non-English letter – no we are in the world where no others languages exist.
I tell you, they are not selling what they are telling – What you have been told is not what you get.
What is good – the speed of gps starting, If you use quick gps.
Have a look how fast a under $200 device can be! Put Hiphone in youtube and you will know how fast the screen should react and switch.
Its not only about the damn driver, the parts of the phone are not finished. Not if the producer tells you: It’s the best you can get...
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which is why you should try a cooked rom. the internet scrolling thing u mention? its a bug in pie, there;s a fix for that......if you decide to stick to pie, cause lets face it, pie is a pile of **** anyways. try opera mini or mobile. oh and btw......i did get my tilt for under $200
as for the OPs question, there are tons of posts here about the performance of these devices (you might also want to look in the upgrading section to see the performance of cooked roms) and I'm not gonna dd anymore to it. At the end of the day, you are the one who has to make the decision, and you are the one who will be using this device, my advice to you is just choose wisely......i took the jump and got it even after hearing about the video issues, and i never regretted it.

Just get a Kaiser and wait till end of March when the drivers will be released.

MACkjam said:
Do not listen to most of what the naysayers have to say here. I have an iMate K-Jam and now I have an HTC TyTN II. I have done many comparison tests between the two devices. The TyTN II wins HANDS DOWN!!!
Driver problems? What driver problems? I have yet to find any lag on any video except maybe a bit on the camcorder app, but that's not a big issue. I watch full feature movies on Coreplayer and I have used TCPMP and WM Player with wayyyyyyyy BETTER performance than on my K-Jam!!!
Don't even think about it, go right ahead and buy a TyTN II, you will not regret it. Problem is most people drag these devices through their backsides and then they complain about this and that. They replace roms, install and uninstall all sorts of crap and then they wonder why it's acting up!!!
I have had my TyTN II since the 15th January this year and I have not experienced any of the so-called problems mentioned by some in this forum. OK, the battery does get used up quicker, but then again it has so much packed in and you can get 3000 mAH batteries now!!!
This sub-forum (Kaiser) is more like the Cheese & Whine forum!!!
BUY IT!!!!
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If you buy this phone you'll be taking a risk. It may be a small risk depending on what you'll have to pay, but a risk nonetheless of not being satisfied. At least you will have made your choice in good conscience and aware of the situation. Truth is we shouldn't have to compare this device to much older ones and say it's better. It shouldn't warrant a comparison at all but since it does there is obviously a problem. There are those that will tell you their TyTN II is "SUPER ACCEPTABLE!" but that's hardly the point. I didn't buy this thing believing it would have acceptable performance. This device is supposed to kick ass and we believe it would if it used the complete architecture of the chip inside. I got mine for $700 and my plan here on out is to just grin and bear it. There isn't an alternative device available yet and HTC has us over the fence on this thing. The anticipated fix is not going to address our concern of enabling the second core of the chip we paid for. I can confirm for you my experiences with the TyTN II and keep in mind this is before I 'dragged it through my backside' by flashing the ROM. (By the way why in the world would it matter whether it's been flashed or how many times programs have been installed/uninstalled?)
- Video playback is fine if my source is 320 X 240. I have always re-encoded my video anyway in an effort to save space and optimize everything. For this reason I didn't know there was a video playback problem right away.
- The camera is almost unusable. I have turned on the on-screen fps display and in sunlight I get ~18fps, in ambient light make that ~4fps and if it's semi dark forget about it. This effects taking pictures and taking video. The video I shoot ends up looking like a blurry mess and any picture I take better be of a stationary subject or else I will usually miss the shot. Interestingly enough the device takes great photos though.
- Screen rotation is a sore subject. I want the thing to be fluid but instead I have to watch it redraw slowly and in seperate pieces.
- Scrolling - it isn't certain that scrolling problem is a result of the missing drivers. I have to say that scrolling isn't very good but there is a fix on this forum to make it more reasonable.
- GPS works great, I've never had an issue with it although it kills the battery fast. Especially fast when using Google maps or live search because then you have the active GPRS data session combined with the gps.
- Battery life - I have a 1600mAH bat and I have to charge it every day but then again I auto download podcasts and such so I am partially to blame. As I understand it the drivers would increase battery life.
That's about it from me. Sorry this post is so long, let me wrap it up. I don't think anyone can tell you to buy or not to buy. You'll just have to make a decision yourself. At least it will be an informed decision, unlike mine.
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"Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?"
With all due respect to all you guys complaining about video drivers.. STFU! already.
No one complained until one geeky ass dude bought it up. I have no problems playing my movies on my device or streaming it via orb.com. I get no lag and for god sakes it's a mobile phone not a computer. It surpasses most devices to date. I have no complaint about this phone. This is like my 40th something phone that I've had being that I work for AT&T and they provide me with devices. When the update comes people will still be *****ing about the video drivers. What exactly are you guys trying to watch? Live video feeds from Mars!?
Seriously get the phone you will not be disappointed. For the record my device does not lag when I slide the screen, etc. I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.

even with no video drivers, it's still the best branded phone in the US. theres nothing better. (yet)

gqstatus0685 said:
"Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?"
With all due respect to all you guys complaining about video drivers.. STFU! already.
No one complained until one geeky ass dude bought it up. I have no problems playing my movies on my device or streaming it via orb.com. I get no lag and for god sakes it's a mobile phone not a computer. It surpasses most devices to date. I have no complaint about this phone. This is like my 40th something phone that I've had being that I work for AT&T and they provide me with devices. When the update comes people will still be *****ing about the video drivers. What exactly are you guys trying to watch? Live video feeds from Mars!?
Seriously get the phone you will not be disappointed. For the record my device does not lag when I slide the screen, etc. I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.
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AMEN TO THAT BROTHER!!!!! I couldn't agree more with you!!!
I think that people expect to dial to Pluto with live feeds from the nethergalaxy and back!!!

gqstatus0685 said:
...I work for AT&T...
I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.
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Awesome! So it is the official AT&T position that we should all install cooked ROMs on our Tilts? Is that what you tell your customers? And it won't void the warranty? That's fantastic news.
Can you please post your store number and employee ID number so your statement can be confirmed with AT&T corporate? Thanks!

What's your favorite "Cool App"

Bunch of my buddy's got iphones and are constantly showing me cool apps for just about everything. I know our phones rule, so post up some of your favorites so I have a bit to show
I am still looking for a good weather app with radar -.-

I really like WMwifirouter http://www.wmwifirouter.com/ It has a free trial its great.
it turns your data connections from your phone into wifi. Making your phone into a wifi hotspot!

look for Shootme v 2.5, thats a fun one. its like iphones shotgun app only this one has machine gun, whip, boxing glove, and more(my fav is the hair clippers, if you sneak up behind someone it really sounds and feels like your hair is being buzzed off haha)

Im assuming ur a guy by posting this.. but HDwobble has to be one of the funniest apps..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=522179
but u dont have to limit urself to breasts, if youre not completely dirty mined.

SK Tracker. It's a must-have if you flash a lot and want to learn how to back up all your settings w/ UC or sashimi.

Tom Tom stand alone GPS. I dont need to have internet access to figure where im at via google maps.

Apps
No apps really compare to Iphone apps. Especially games, the only game that is interesting and fun is "Xtrakt" and that is originally for the Sony Ericsson Xperia 1 and it doesnt fit on the screen correctly. The Touch Pro wasnt really thought of when it comes to impressive applications.

FindME
I don't mean to blow my own horn, but I am finishing up testing LsFindMe. It is an app I wrote, which I use to find my car in a parking lot (Actually more likemy wife uses it daily).
You "tag" the car when you leave the car. when you leave the mall you click "findme" . The system tells you how far from your car you are, and guides to to it.

slingplayer mobile.... use it everyday @ work and on the rail road home...
and hTorch of course... lets see the iphone guys do something like that!! good luck w/o a flash!!

paypalbid said:
Tom Tom stand alone GPS. I dont need to have internet access to figure where im at via google maps.
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And where exactly can you get Tom tom for the Touch Pro with North American maps, I am willing to buy them, but TomTom.com does not sell them.

If you're musical, Pocket Guitar is impressive http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=482726 It's available for the iphone too, but it works great in the TP and it's free.

You mean I can only have one favorite app?
The list is seriously endless for me. This is just part of it:
GRemote
FM Radio (comes in handy sometimes)
A few of the games in the Mega Arcade Pack
TF3D (Can't say I've ever seen an iPhone interface this sexy )
WorldCard Mobile
PocketIRC
HTC's Wi-Fi Router app (Just started using it recently and love it, though USB tethering worked awesome too)
I used to really enjoy hearing "What's one thing your phone can do that my iPhone can't?" That was easy, just show them copy & paste. Sadly the new iPhone can do it too now...I hate you Apple

id have to say diamond beer and touch the music would be a good start also there is a thats what she said app with the voices of the people from the tv show the office. also htorch is a must turns your led into a flash light and dont forget the light saber app.

need for speed
with g sensor.
its amazing

misfitwrx said:
look for Shootme v 2.5, thats a fun one. its like iphones shotgun app only this one has machine gun, whip, boxing glove, and more(my fav is the hair clippers, if you sneak up behind someone it really sounds and feels like your hair is being buzzed off haha)
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That IS impressive... how does it make it feel like cutting hair?

xtrakt
themasterhook2000 said:
No apps really compare to Iphone apps. Especially games, the only game that is interesting and fun is "Xtrakt" and that is originally for the Sony Ericsson Xperia 1 and it doesnt fit on the screen correctly. The Touch Pro wasnt really thought of when it comes to impressive applications.
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xtrakt does work and has full screen on my rhodium and g-sensor works also hop on over to the apps worth installing thread there is a cab 4 it that works i love this game

rkmoray said:
I don't mean to blow my own horn, but I am finishing up testing LsFindMe. It is an app I wrote, which I use to find my car in a parking lot (Actually more likemy wife uses it daily).
You "tag" the car when you leave the car. when you leave the mall you click "findme" . The system tells you how far from your car you are, and guides to to it.
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That's awesome!!! My fiance called me one holiday season saying she couldn't find her car in the Target parking lot that we shop at on a weekly basis :S Thing is, she wouldn't think to tag it... :/

flyingwolf said:
And where exactly can you get Tom tom for the Touch Pro with North American maps, I am willing to buy them, but TomTom.com does not sell them.
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This is a prank to get people to yell about using Google, right?
TomTom Navigator for WM

Godaft is a really fun app I use it all the time .

share your experiances with the nc

i was mislead so im gonna go back and double check at BB to see if what i remember is right or my mind played a trick on me
share your experiances you have had

I rooted mine two hours after buying it, and it's slowly replacing my laptop for web surfing, last.FM, etc
I've wiped mine a few times due to issues i've created tinkering with it....but I love it just the same
Sent from my Nook Color using Tapatalk

As soon as I can get RDP or VNC to work it will replace my laptop when I'm on the move. It is very capable for a tablet.

i just wish it had 3g not every place has free wifi

I used mine about 2 hours total to make sure it was working, then I updated it to 1.0.1, Auto-Nooted it, and have been installing apps and playing with it since. Not a single problem so far except for one which hopefully will get resolved sometime.. I really love my Delicious Bookmarks app, but it requires going into the Accounts and Settings and adding an account, can't do that right now.
I haven't tried the B&N Store or Lend Me since rooting, per http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=873975 <--this thread
Otherwise zero problems, it's working great. I'm using FBReader to read my epubs like I always have. The Softkeys are slightly quirky but I'm getting used to them... and like seems to be totally normal on dual-storage devices, some apps aren't looking in the place I'd expect them to, such as WallSwitch (automatically switch wallpapers) is looking in /system/media and not /sdcard or such like I'd expect it to.. I might wind up pushing my pictures there /system has 160M free, no biggie
EDIT: After running the built-in B&N Gallery app, it seems like it spawned a media search and WallSwitch now shows my Backgrounds folder. Yay.

I have had a very good experience with mine so far- problems, glitches, I have minorly screwed it up a few times.
So far I have not screwed it up totally but I will feel much better when we have a full Recovery.
What I like:
The hardware itself, quality and capability seems quite good. Screen is excellent, especially for such a cheap device. WiFi works well- better signal strength than some expensive laptops I have used.
The mod community for rooting and doing so much excellent work already, and hopefully even greater things to come.
What I don't like:
The crippled version of 2.1 B&N has installed.
The lack of GPS and Bluetooth
the lack of portrait mode in B&Ns included software (eReader and many other sections.)
I knew there were many limitations for the stock NC when I ordered mine so I really am not complaining. I don't even mind the lack of cell service since it is pretty easy to connect to an adhoc wifi tether.
The only reason I considered an NC is because they had been rooted a few days before I ordered.
The whole experience is very familiar to me- I first got a Moto Droid shortly after they were first rooted and spent quite a while happily trying many things - and using recovery often.
It is my fervent hope that the devs are as successful with the NC as they were with the original Droid.
Even as the NC is as I type this it is a very good value and tablet.
If we are lucky, it will be a great one soon.

I bought mine solely for the purpose of reading with the added bonus of web surfing and the occasional movie while on the go. I got mine in November before the root and didn't realize there wasn't flash support until I got it home and started playing, went to youtube and got the crummy "mobile" version where the video looked horrible and audio was out of sync. I stumbled across XDA while looking for some kind of a flash hack and rooted after a week of debating whether I should. I'm glad I did.
Thanks to the root, the NC has gone from mundane to a very worth-while device. I love all the stuff I can do thanks to the app support. The youtube app and Dolphin HD alone make it worth rooting.

I was saying in another thread that I had gotten the NC primarily as a reading device, I love periodicals and the NC is pretty good for those. I was on the fence about getting it for a while, the fact that it could be rooted sealed the deal.
I wound up having to exchange my first NC (thankfully the factory reset went very smoothly) due to serious screen flicker issues when the device was set at a mid-level brightness. My second one is much better, though I can still detect a tiny bit of visual flicker under certain lighting conditions.. not a deal-breaker tho.
Couple issues that I've come across :
1. I screwed up the driver install on my PC the first time I tried it, didn't have the INI file in the right place and couldn't side-load anything on to my NC or access it as a storage device. Totally my fault for botching that one. Second try worked fine.
2. My YouTube app no longer launches, it just flicks on for a sec and goes back to the desktop. Probably need to re-install it.
3. Some memory issues when using ACV (comic viewer) to view CBR files. Frequent issues loading pages from the archive files. No issues at all if I extract the images to folders first and load that way, though so it's all good for my comic reading
4. Some apps that I wanted to download like SwitchPro Widgets don't show up in the market for me. Have to side-load them (which stinks since I paid for it and won't be able to get updates directly from the market).
I haven't had the stones to attempt installing the new market app. The old one works well and I'm not a big risk-taker Other than that, the NC is the little tablet that could! It's a fantastic way to get an Android tablet and very capable e-reading device for an extremely reasonable price.

We have 2 of these at home. It has already replaced my laptop at home, Using it mainly for web surfing and reading. I don't mind too much that it does not have 3g since I use my phone to tether when I am on the go. The screen size is just perfect. I just can't see myself trying to carry around anything larger, I love the portability of this thing. I don't know what Steve Jobs meant by saying that people don't want 7" tablets
The rooting process was simple enough and the only problems I had was youtube not working. I did a command in adb that was posted in another thread for the fix. I don't know about the problems with the lend me feature since I have not tried.
I went to my local best buy and barnes and noble yesterday and they are all sold out of the nook color. The nook color seems successful only being launched a month ago, I would not hesitate in getting one. I am very pleased also with the support that it is getting here on XDA.
My wife's NC is still stock but after I showed her what it can do rooted she is thinking about it. It was her idea in the first place to get these things. I was really looking to get a Galaxy Tab but the NC has satisfied my needs @ only $250. I guess I will spend the money I saved on a new Android phone after CES

wendellc said:
The screen size is just perfect. I just can't see myself trying to carry around anything larger, I love the portability of this thing. I don't know what Steve Jobs meant by saying that people don't want 7" tablets
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What he meant was that he doesn't want to sell one, therefore nobody should use them.
And remember, you are talking about the guy who tells people how they are supposed to hold their phones.

I bought one last night fort my wife.rooted it right away and toyed around with for a little bit before bed..
What directory do downloaded files from the internet go to? my evo downloads go to a download folder on sd card but I couldnt find it on the NC. Bash me if you must but give me an answer. TIA

I picked mine up on Black Friday. Had to do some sweet talking... the ones in the store were spoken for already. Well, needless to say I got it, and it's saved my shoulders. Using my 15.6 inch laptop during the 40 min train commute was nice and all but hauling it from car to train, train to office and vice versa wasn't exactly ideal. I'm not a small guy or anything, but HP sure doesn't make things light
So far my NC has been a very worthy companion. It's gotten plenty of looks, comments, oooohhhhs and aaaahhhhhs after I show them Angry Birds and other things. I tether it to my TP2 and I've got internet. I use it in the coffee shops, during lunch to read, at home for a quick browse, at work as a file transfer medium, all in all it has become an indispensable companion. And that's even without BT and Flash. It would be nice if it had a GPS but quite irrelevant really... my TP2 covers that function very nicely. Nedless to say I'm extremely happy with it. One of the best purchases I ever made!

It's great and very encouraging to read all these positive comments about the NC. I have been lurking here since soon after the NC came out and was very happy to hear when it got rooted.
So far I have only played with a stock version in BB, but I'm about 99% sure there is one wrapped and already under the xmas free for me. Thx wifey! Can't wait to officially join the NC group on Xmas day.

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It's great and very encouraging to read all these positive comments about the NC. I have been lurking here since soon after the NC came out and was very happy to hear when it got rooted.
So far I have only played with a stock version in BB, but I'm about 99% sure there is one wrapped and already under the xmas free for me. Thx wifey! Can't wait to officially join the NC group on Xmas day.
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Your wife will regret the purchase when your attention span is completely on the NC and not her, lol...
Its a sweet device that will only get better form here on out. Once bluetooth, nav, and a nice EQ music app (like powerAmp) are up and running, this device can become a phone companion (for roaming wifi), nettop replacement, and even a capable a carputer - nav, OBD2 reader/code clear app, and audio source (bt calls and music).

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Its a sweet device that will only get better form here on out. Once bluetooth, nav, and a nice EQ music app (like powerAmp) are up and running, this device can become a phone companion (for roaming wifi), nettop replacement, and even a capable a carputer - nav, OBD2 reader/code clear app, and audio source (bt calls and music).
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How will peripherals be connected? Does the hardware support USB to go, or do you think there is a BT chip onboard but inactive? Because that would be sweet!

CBJamo said:
How will peripherals be connected? Does the hardware support USB to go, or do you think there is a BT chip onboard but inactive? Because that would be sweet!
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1a. By BT (once unleashed)
1b. ?? The BT chip is there (multi function chip), but needs some ROM goodness to "enable."

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1a. By BT (once unleashed)
1b. ?? The BT chip is there (multi function chip), but needs some ROM goodness to "enable."
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To be fair, the BT **SHOULD** be there, based on the listed specs, but custom hardware for things like this is not uncommon, so i won't dream about BT until we really get it.

wendellc said:
I love the portability of this thing. I don't know what Steve Jobs meant by saying that people don't want 7" tablets
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What he meant was that he doesn't want to sell one, therefore nobody should use them.And remember, you are talking about the guy who tells people how they are supposed to hold their phones.
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I predict that in 2011 Jobs will announce a new breakthrough in Apple engineering, and will release a 7" tablet. At that time he will also rename the two tablets; MINiPAD and MAXiPAD... I'm just sayin'...

Oh you mean the nanopad... I have that already trademarked... Jobs, we know you're lurkin.. Call me up to negotiate leasing rights.
On that note B&N should let XDA release NC2... Nothing but free droid books loaded upon purchase.

Picked mine up last night and the root process went very well. Couldn't be easier -- thanks to all the hard work by the guys here and at NookDev.
I picked up a Galaxy Tab but returned it before I opened it. I just couldn't justify $600 for that device so, while the Tab has a few more features (2.2, GPS, etc.) this is an awesome little tablet for the money.
Couldn't be happier.

Gotta Have Apps for the Xoom/Honeycomb...

Ok. So there are plenty of apps in the market, of course, but very few are exclusive and optimized for honeycomb because its so new. The Xoom should have came with more of its "own" apps pre-installed imo. Anyways, we've got CNN, the Human Body, Pulse, Youtube, some games, and probably others. And every app in the market will run on Honeycomb mostly, but I would like to hear some suggestions, comments, and concerns about what apps are great, and what we expect to see months from now. Sorry, if this topic has been posted before. I just want to hear some honest feedback about the Xoom/Honeycomb apps. Please share the what's recommended and what's just essential to our beloved Xoom.
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Ok. So there are plenty of apps in the market, of course, but very few are exclusive and optimized for honeycomb because its so new. The Xoom should have came with more of its "own" apps pre-installed imo. Anyways, we've got CNN, the Human Body, Pulse, Youtube, some games, and probably others. And every app in the market will run on Honeycomb mostly, but I would like to hear some suggestions, comments, and concerns about what apps are great, and what we expect to see months from now.
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Maybe also include "list of apps that don't work well with Honeycomb."
But for the most part, they all work, some just look a little weird (like facebook) or something doesn't show up right (like the lasers in HexDefense).
Good:
Gun Bros works great on the Xoom. Fruit Ninja THD works flawlessly. Google Earth
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Unblock me; CNN sometimes doesn't display stuff, I have no idea why. And Google Body likes to crash too, but sometimes will work completely fine.
I haven't gotten too many "duplicate" apps - in other words, if I have them on my phone but rarely use them, I'll just keep it on the phone. But if it's something I'm going to be using just as much on the Xoom as my EVO, then I downloaded it. I just haven't gotten around to getting a ton of apps yet.

Thanks for your feedback. I agree with you about how some apps that are rarely used on my phone have no point of being on the xoom. I really haven't delve into my xoom that much either because im anal and waiting for my screen protectors. Lol. But I installed the common ones like root explorer which is a necessity in my opinion, and wordsmith! I love that friggin game! When I start using my Xoom religiously ill post my experiences. However, I know that over time honeycomb is going rock hard, and the xoom will be a longstanding beast in the war of the tablets!
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However, I know that over time honeycomb is going rock hard, and the xoom will be a longstanding beast in the war of the tablets!
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I agree, the main draw to the Xoom was the fact that it was a "Google Experience" device (or whatever they call it). So unlike Samsung, we'll actually get updates quickly and, I would guess, probably before any other 3.0 device (unless it's a Google Experience device as well without MotoBlur/Sense/Touchwiz).
What I meant about the apps I have on my phone - somethings like handcent for example won't be necessary on the Xoom (at least for me). Neither is SetCPU necessary for me right now (since I'm not currently rooted, and to be honest, don't really feel the need to so far...). Hmmm other apps I'll use only on the phone and not the Xoom? Probably stuff like remote control apps, financial stuff like checkbooks and mint.com (just go online or use the phone).
Wapedia works EXCELLENT (awhile ago I bought the ad removal plugin, totally worth it). Almost looks like regular desktop Wikipedia.

Yeah. I love Wapedia! That's an excellent app that would be awesome for the Xoom. I'll install it! So, it's a tablet, NOT a phone. It may suit some people to aquire a data plan for work, or if you're on-the-go constantly, but I won't need it. I simply use my WiFi, and that's sufficient enough. Handsent would be lame, because I have my phone of course, but I'm not going to sit there and send text messages on my kind of "replacement" laptop. LOL! I can Google voice being a good asset because instant messaging seems reasonalbe. I'm pretty sure that it's not working right now and they're planning an update soon to fix it. IDK, I love having the Xoom as my little 'sidekick' for school, and business-related tasks. It's such a multimedia powerhouse! How technology changes so rapidly amazes me...

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Yeah. I love Wapedia! That's an excellent app that would be awesome for the Xoom. I'll install it! So, it's a tablet, NOT a phone. It may suit some people to aquire a data plan for work, or if you're on-the-go constantly, but I won't need it. I simply use my WiFi, and that's sufficient enough. Handsent would be lame, because I have my phone of course, but I'm not going to sit there and send text messages on my kind of "replacement" laptop. LOL! I can Google voice being a good asset because instant messaging seems reasonalbe. I'm pretty sure that it's not working right now and they're planning an update soon to fix it. IDK, I love having the Xoom as my little 'sidekick' for school, and business-related tasks. It's such a multimedia powerhouse! How technology changes so rapidly amazes me...
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Definitely, I'm more stunned by the technology encased inside of it really, and the fact that they've gotten it work this well, regardless of number of crashes or bugs. Still better than a Windows computer!
If I'm not mistaken, Wapedia even had a slightly different layout - like you could change the type of wiki you're searching quickly on the right hand side. I haven't delved into it too much, but I remember it looked better than on the phone.
And of course you can always root and tether your phone if you haven't already so you can get on the move with the tablet. But I just really wanted its own connection since I'm pulling almost double the speed from Verizon as I would off of tethering from Sprint. And it's nice to have two different connections (although they probably connect to the same towers) if your data isn't pulling up well when you're on the road like I am.

Hero compared to the 3vo

Wanted to know is anyone in hero withdrawal??? And hows everyone who has upgraded enjoying the 3vo??? Cons and pros compared to hero. I chose to start this thread because if any users are due for an upgrade can get a general idea of what to expect. Also just to have some general discussion on both phones. I loved my hero it was my first android phoe before it I never knew xda existed. It all started in a sprint store when I went in to complain about how slow it was becoming and I was regretting getting the phone and since I was still under 30 days I almost swapped it for a Samsung. Then a rep pulled me to the side because I had handed him my business card the prior visit and told me have I ever heard of apps2sd. I replied no and he told me to google it. Well I went home and did just that and that's when I discovered xda and its been a blast every since. I started at 1.5 when I rooted and I've never looked back. My hero will always have a spot on my history shelf. I never knew it was possible that a little phone could do so much. And how its a whole different world on xda I mean I blew my mind on how many members were on here and that they do it all for the love. Never have I ever regretted rooting my hero and I'm glad that that sprint rep told me about apps2sd. I even went to the exact store to thank him but he was no longer there. Whish I could have showed that man the end results I think he would've been floored lol. But now getting the 3vo Im quite fond of the screen size especially because I wear glasses and I can take them off now and still read the print fine. That was one of my biggest dislikes of the hero such small print. I'm very thankful for the developer of spareparts and the rom developers for including it in most of the roms I've used. Also I like the feel of 3vo with the rubberized back the hero has hit the floor on my occasions because it lacked that feature. I like the charger port being on the side of the phone big plus IMO because it makes it easier to surff and charge at the same time. With the hero I just chose to disable the rotation because I got frustrated with having the cord in between my fingers when I wanted to surf in landscape. Also I love the fact of the 3vo's buttons on the bottom are flush and has no clicking sound. I was always afraid of to much wear and tear on the hero's button would one day catch up to me. What I don't like is the big stupid as camera button on the side I seem to activate the camera a lot and I haven't figured out a way to disable it yet. Probably can't. I liked the heros option that if you wanted the camera you had to select the camera. I love the speed of the 3vo of course. My hero was fast as hell but can't compare to it. Well that's enough for me. Any one else???
Edit: Also if ya dont mind post what apps, launcher, and themes your still using from your hero that your using on the 3vo and how they perform and your overall setup.
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I'm using most of my apps from the hero on the 3vo. However, I can't use the ex explorer. Randomly locks up. Sucks. The htc_ime works on.it too, but hugs the left screen.
Over all, the transition from the hero is frustrating a little since I can't root or anything. So there are plenty of apps that I cannot use.
Make the switch if you can. I'll post the app list during lunch chow.

I love the phone and the performance, the screen size is awsome, but the phone doesn't feel bulky like my wifes OG Evo. Contrary to Laie, I don't like the charge port on the left side of the phone. Maybe I'll get used to it, but for the last 16 months or so the Hero has sat on the charger on the right armrest of my recliner, now doing that leaves a cord hanging across my body and it just doesn't feel normal sitting on the left arm rest. Not a big fan of the camera button either. It's nice to use as a shutter button, but awkward during normal phone usage. I haven't changed much about the HTC setup yet, but I've been busy setting up the Hero for my son. What I'm not fond of, being back on a sense rom are....the 7 homescreens (I generally only use 1), the goofy 3 button sense dockbar, and the fact that the apps I've spent so much time changing out the icons for use on the Hero and resigning are installing ok, but showing up with the original unchanged icons (I haven't yet investigated why, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the difference between the MDPI and HDPI displays). So the bottom line is that I'm definately pleased with the upgrade and the power of the phone, but I find myself tiptoeing out of my son's bedroom with the Hero in hand to flash something or try something new.

I have an otter box case, so I don't notice the camera button. I don't like the usb port on the side, but they have the right angle plugs you can get so it runs along the side of the phone. My hero feels so small compared to this phone. Oh, and the speed of it is crazy. I keep trying to use the trackball to move my cursor, but am slowly remembering its there. I'm still hanging around this forum to help out if I can.
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I was overjoyed when I heard a rumor that the Kingdom was the code name for Hero 2. Turns out its not. I miss the smaller screen of the Hero. The 3VO is a big bad boy tho. Using Sense, Go SMS, Miren browser, Robo Defense, AndroXplorer, dropbox, sugar sync, zumo drive, audio galaxy, glow hockey, mobo player, news rob, spare parts, Verizon Fios DVR manager, and Zedge. With the extra horsepower of the 3VO I started using Pocket Casts (podcasts), My Beach lwp, music beta, ghostTown (if you're a music fan, check it out), amazon app store and album art grabber.

I bought my 3vo today, upgraded from my overclocked hero running the latest cm7 nightly. I miss the bulk in hand of the hero. The 3vo is big but doesn't fall to hand quite the same. The camera button is awkward as well as the usb placement for me.
The performance can't even be compared. The 3vo is blazing fast. Network is fast. Everything just feels instant. It's really hard to describe the difference coming from the hero. I kind of miss the physical keys and the menu unlock and the trackball. I definitely have the itch to root and flash this thing already.
In all honesty, I bought the phone out of excitement for something new. I could care less about the 3d features but would get so frustrated at watching my gf's droid x do things my phone just couldn't do. That was enough to justify the purchase. Will I keep it? I'm still not sure. I'm kind of hoping we get a couple of new offerings during the 30 day trial (SgsII, kingdom, photon) but overall I'm pleased at the performance.
I think I'm going to purchase a case (something I never did with the Hero) just to add to feel in hand. I'm definitely going to miss the hero, and will keep it around, but it was just beyond dated.

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I was overjoyed when I heard a rumor that the Kingdom was the code name for Hero 2. Turns out its not. I miss the smaller screen of the Hero. The 3VO is a big bad boy tho. Using Sense, Go SMS, Miren browser, Robo Defense, AndroXplorer, dropbox, sugar sync, zumo drive, audio galaxy, glow hockey, mobo player, news rob, spare parts, Verizon Fios DVR manager, and Zedge. With the extra horsepower of the 3VO I started using Pocket Casts (podcasts), My Beach lwp, music beta, ghostTown (if you're a music fan, check it out), amazon app store and album art grabber.[/QUOTE
Lol dam. That's a whole lotta aps. Lol but I will check out the amzon app store. Were can I find it should I google it??
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I love the phone and the performance, the screen size is awsome, but the phone doesn't feel bulky like my wifes OG Evo. Contrary to Laie, I don't like the charge port on the left side of the phone. Maybe I'll get used to it, but for the last 16 months or so the Hero has sat on the charger on the right armrest of my recliner, now doing that leaves a cord hanging across my body and it just doesn't feel normal sitting on the left arm rest. Not a big fan of the camera button either. It's nice to use as a shutter button, but awkward during normal phone usage. I haven't changed much about the HTC setup yet, but I've been busy setting up the Hero for my son. What I'm not fond of, being back on a sense rom are....the 7 homescreens (I generally only use 1), the goofy 3 button sense dockbar, and the fact that the apps I've spent so much time changing out the icons for use on the Hero and resigning are installing ok, but showing up with the original unchanged icons (I haven't yet investigated why, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the difference between the MDPI and HDPI displays). So the bottom line is that I'm definately pleased with the upgrade and the power of the phone, but I find myself tiptoeing out of my son's bedroom with the Hero in hand to flash something or try something new.
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Have to admit it. Its true I missed my hero so I had to pry it from my wifes kunfu grip of death and check in on how the little guy was doing. Is it me or does the scren look funny as hell after looking at the 3vo screen?? But I did want to flash the new Cm7 but she wouldnt let me lol. Man do I miss Modding
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I'm using most of my apps from the hero on the 3vo. However, I can't use the ex explorer. Randomly locks up. Sucks. The htc_ime works on.it too, but hugs the left screen.
Over all, the transition from the hero is frustrating a little since I can't root or anything. So there are plenty of apps that I cannot use.
Make the switch if you can. I'll post the app list during lunch chow.
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Yup I totally agree. I spent all that time putting together a hit list if apps and in one day most of them are useless to me now. And I can't wait to get rid of sense to much dam applications running. I DON'T EVEN USE HALF THIS SH*T lol. Its just to many dam apps. Lol
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Have to admit it. Its true I missed my hero so I had to pry it from my wifes kunfu grip of death and check in on how the little guy was doing. Is it me or does the scren look funny as hell after looking at the 3vo screen?? But I did want to flash the new Cm7 but she wouldnt let me lol. Man do I miss Modding
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The flashing urge is not quite as bad for me.....I do still have a pair of Nooks, an OG Evo, the Optimus, and the Hero in my care, but yeah.....the Hero's still my favorite even with the tiny little screen and the silver paint worn off of all the buttons and the menu button that doesn't actually press down anymore.

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I bought my 3vo today, upgraded from my overclocked hero running the latest cm7 nightly. I miss the bulk in hand of the hero. The 3vo is big but doesn't fall to hand quite the same. The camera button is awkward as well as the usb placement for me.
The performance can't even be compared. The 3vo is blazing fast. Network is fast. Everything just feels instant. It's really hard to describe the difference coming from the hero. I kind of miss the physical keys and the menu unlock and the trackball. I definitely have the itch to root and flash this thing already.
In all honesty, I bought the phone out of excitement for something new. I could care less about the 3d features but would get so frustrated at watching my gf's droid x do things my phone just couldn't do. That was enough to justify the purchase. Will I keep it? I'm still not sure. I'm kind of hoping we get a couple of new offerings during the 30 day trial (SgsII, kingdom, photon) but overall I'm pleased at the performance.
I think I'm going to purchase a case (something I never did with the Hero) just to add to feel in hand. I'm definitely going to miss the hero, and will keep it around, but it was just beyond dated.
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Totally agreed. I love my hero but I was looking forward to something new. And I couldn't pass up a dual core with 3d. I love my hero but I don't regret the change at all.
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Have to admit it. Its true I missed my hero so I had to pry it from my wifes kunfu grip of death and check in on how the little guy was doing. Is it me or does the scren look funny as hell after looking at the 3vo screen?? But I did want to flash the new Cm7 but she wouldnt let me lol. Man do I miss Modding
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Turned mine off on Friday, Haven't turned it back on. I got burnt out on having to always set everything back up after flashing a new ROM, that I finally stuck with each ROM for months at a time. All I really want is custom kernels and free hotspot and usb tethering.
It's funny you are posting this in the Hero forums. What are you trying to do? Make them all jealous!

Changed my mind.....I'm taking mine back. Can't take the stupidity in those forums, it's even worse then the Nook forums. Some guy just posted a month old link to a post that says HTC will unlock the bootloader.....Geez we didn't know

I am not getting the 3vo until august but from what I saw at the sprint store when I tried it was: THEY MADE SENSE MORE BLOATED!!! D:
I personally think that I won't be getting it until I can root/flash it before I even get home from the sprint store. >.<
I have gotten so used to not using Sense that I genuinely hate it with a passion now, so much freaking bloatware.

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Changed my mind.....I'm taking mine back. Can't take the stupidity in those forums, it's even worse then the Nook forums. Some guy just posted a month old link to a post that says HTC will unlock the bootloader.....Geez we didn't know
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all the new forums are like that im sure the 3vo brought a ton of new people to android

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Changed my mind.....I'm taking mine back. Can't take the stupidity in those forums, it's even worse then the Nook forums. Some guy just posted a month old link to a post that says HTC will unlock the bootloader.....Geez we didn't know
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There's other sites besides XDA, but most good devs are on XDA, and some of the other sites just link you back here for ROMs. Just do what I do. Don't go to General or click a thread that doesn't look good.
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I am not getting the 3vo until august but from what I saw at the sprint store when I tried it was: THEY MADE SENSE MORE BLOATED!!! D:
I personally think that I won't be getting it until I can root/flash it before I even get home from the sprint store. >.<
I have gotten so used to not using Sense that I genuinely hate it with a passion now, so much freaking bloatware.
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Every HTC phone is going to have a lot of bloat. But even with all the bloat the phone is running smooth as can be. It doesn't slow it down at all. You could put ADW or LP on it and it will run 1000 times better than the Hero.

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Lol dam. That's a whole lotta aps. Lol but I will check out the amzon app store. Were can I find it should I google it??
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Yes google Amazon app store. Its great! They offer one free paid app a day. That is how I found pocket cast.
Ghosttown, very awesome. It takes videos from youtube and streams the audio to your phone, pretty good quality too. If you search by artist it will organize all the songs by albums, given if the video exists on youtube. Tried with the Hero and it was very choppy. Works great on 3G with the 3VO.
So happy with the phone. I have a wireless N router at home where my 4G signal is kinda weak and the phone is N compatible. 4G is strong at my work.
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There's other sites besides XDA, but most good devs are on XDA, and some of the other sites just link you back here for ROMs. Just do what I do. Don't go to General or click a thread that doesn't look good.
Every HTC phone is going to have a lot of bloat. But even with all the bloat the phone is running smooth as can be. It doesn't slow it down at all. You could put ADW or LP on it and it will run 1000 times better than the Hero.
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1000 times,, I seriously doubt that... LoL

Houndog101 said:
1000 times,, I seriously doubt that... LoL
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Would you believe 800% better?