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What is the deal with the weather plugin?
each time i click on it is says "attempting to download data" i have the weather options setting "download weather data automatically" checked but it does not appear to be updating automatically. Does anyone know of a reg setting that you can use to change the frequency of this download?
bradwcamp said:
What is the deal with the weather plugin?
each time i click on it is says "attempting to download data" i have the weather options setting "download weather data automatically" checked but it does not appear to be updating automatically. Does anyone know of a reg setting that you can use to change the frequency of this download?
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Sorry to hijack this thread but......
Where did you find the download weather data automatically setting? I went thru the whole machine and still couldn't find it! And obviously, it doesn't auto update........
Many thanks.
mlai said:
Sorry to hijack this thread but......
Where did you find the download weather data automatically setting? I went thru the whole machine and still couldn't find it! And obviously, it doesn't auto update........
Many thanks.
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When you click on the city name to select another city, there will be an settings option under the rigth softkey when you have the list of cities in front of you
Moaske said:
When you click on the city name to select another city, there will be an settings option under the rigth softkey when you have the list of cities in front of you
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Thanks! Actually found it right after I posted....
Yep...
bradwcamp said:
What is the deal with the weather plugin? each time i click on it is says "attempting to download data" i have the weather options setting "download weather data automatically" checked but it does not appear to be updating automatically. Does anyone know of a reg setting that you can use to change the frequency of this download?
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That's what the "download weather data automatically" setting will do...it will attempt to get an internet connection and update the weather when (and IF) you click on the Weather Plugin. The thing is, it will want to do this every hour from the previous weather update.
TEC
And what about disconnect? Is it possible to auto-disconnect after the weather foreground is downloaded?
It's very annoying if you don't have a data plan or if you want to save battery to have to do a manual disconnect.
I want that too...
Yea...I've been looking for a way to AUTO DISCONNECT as well.
Anyone have any ideas??
AH…
I guess I was looking for more finite control over this. Ideally I don’t want to see “attempting to download data” when I click the plug-in. I would rather it just download automatically in the background instead of the plug-in having to check the web at the moment I hit the icon.
Maybe I need to hack the reg to leave GPRS always on?
Hi
By design the data connection remains connected for most Windows Mobile 6 devices, it doesn't mean data is being passed or power consumption is increased.
An article here explains about data connections remaining "On".
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/07/14/666203.aspx
Regards
Phil
PhilipL said:
Hi
By design the data connection remains connected for most Windows Mobile 6 devices, it doesn't mean data is being passed or power consumption is increased.
An article here explains about data connections remaining "On".
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/07/14/666203.aspx
Regards
Phil
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Interesting
Also, Mobile Operators requested it. It was more expensive for them to be constantly creating and tearing down connections than to just do it once. Finally, staying connected enabled us to develop a fast "push email" client that relied on the device holding an IP address.
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What about my battery life?
Just having a data connection shouldn't affect your battery life. Most of the time, the device isn't doing anything with that connection. It just sits there idle. If you're sending a lot of data over the connection, though, that will definitely impact your battery life. Unfortunately, the arrows don't really tell you whether you're sending data or not (though I've seen devices that animate the arrows while data is being transferred).
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And a interesting quote from a user
In GSM, when you are constantly attached to GPRS, your battery does not spend more energy because there is absolutely no communication between the network and device if there is no data transfer (however there is still periodical normal GSM communication). Only difference is if you are in motion and changing cells in time. Network keeps track of your GPRS connection via "routing area" which consists of one or group of cells. When you switch to cell that belongs to adjacent routing area, there is a, very short, "routing area update" exchange of information between phone and network, regarding GPRS only. But that is very small power consumption.
The same thing is with UMTS. The whole goal of any network is to bring communication traffic to minimum. But, with UMTS, channel coding and transmitting technique is much more complex than with GSM. You are attached to multiple cells at the same time and there is very, very, very strict phone transmit power control. That means that phone must do a lot more signal measurements from group of cells (much more frequent than GSM). It could possibly happen, if you reserved more channels for packet data transfer, that a lot of signalling happens. However, there is a inactivity timeout here which puts you in standby mode as in GSM and then you do not spend battery for packet data at all. But this is all complicated, it depend of many factors: signal strength, network settings, number of users in your location area, etc. .. If the network signal is weak, than any phone in any type of network will eat up your battery.
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I'm going to try this theory out for a couple of days
if you were to read the manual that came with the phone it states that this is exactly how the weather tab works. If auto update is enabled it will automatically update the forecast every time you touch the weather tab.
Honestly it seems a little silly to me. I have auto update turned off and just tape the last updated time at the top to manually update it.
bradwcamp said:
AH…
I guess I was looking for more finite control over this. Ideally I don’t want to see “attempting to download data” when I click the plug-in. I would rather it just download automatically in the background instead of the plug-in having to check the web at the moment I hit the icon.
Maybe I need to hack the reg to leave GPRS always on?
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Back to your point. I am looking for the same thing you are. my data connection is always on because i am using push email but i still see the attempting to download after a certain period of time.
flexte said:
Back to your point. I am looking for the same thing you are. my data connection is always on because i am using push email but i still see the attempting to download after a certain period of time.
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We are on the same page flexte, but it would appear that as of yet no one has figured out just exactly how to tweak the plugin to do what we want. As Jason Lee mentioned it is working like the Manual says it should. Hopefully this will eventually get tweaked!
has anyone figured how to get rid of the "attempting to downlad data" message yet?
Alright, I really need some help from the big boys here.
I have had my N1 since release. I have T-Mobile and no data plan. Everything I do is over wifi.
On Friday, I saw the 3g icon on my phone for the first time. It appeared out of nowhere and just flips between 3G and E since T-Mobile just blocks data for non-plan users. This was killing the battery life of the phone.
I called Google and they ran me through *#*#4636#*#* to disable the data connection. This fixed the problem for a while; However after a while the phone will give a message that there is no service provider and will reconnect to T-Mobile (it has never done this before outside of phone boots). When it is back up the 3G/E cycling starts again. Even worse the data connection still lists as disabled and will not re-enable. I have to pop the battery out while it is running to get back in to disable it.
Google thinks its an app but I have removed everything but Touchdown and K9 which I don't think are the problem. I have used Android OS Monitor and I do see connections to 64.15.75.218 and 209.44.107.13 which are hot beds for malware and when I uninstall any app these connections vanish temporarily. But they come back after a few hours.
Anyone seen this before or know a way to track IP connections to a particular app?
I have no solution for tracing 'malicious' software but it is possible to just disable all mobile data usage.
Settings/Wireless and network settings/ Mobile networks > "Data enabled"
If you unselect this there should be no more data transfer while on the mobile network.
I do not have that option. Google Rep said it was only in froyo.
Problem is I did the same thing for 2.1 but it keeps coming back on. Even with wifi the phone connects to these ips so who knows what it is doing.
3G isn't used only for data, you can do voice on 3G.
Could be T-Mobile expanding 3g into your are where you didn't have coverage before.
Call T-Mobile and make sure you're not actually using data.
As for tracking applications, you can use System Panel Pro of the market to monitor how much data applications are using.
I know I am not using data. The T-Mobile account page is pretty detailed and I am unable to do anything online when wifi is off. 3G has also been available for a while here as I know others that use it.
I will check out system panel.
Thanks.
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I do not have that option. Google Rep said it was only in froyo.
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It is indeed only on Froyo, however, Froyo is out now, so install it and you'll instantly benefit.
A few more things:
Were you receiving or sending MMS (picture/video messages) when the 3G icon popped up? This is normal and doesn't usually come out of your data balance.
If you'd like to be triple-sure you're not using data, go into the APN settings. Edit the APN name - e.g. change tmobile.com to nomobile.com. Now it *really* shouldn't be able to access data.
Smarphones would be well to do to have a Zonealarm/little snitch type app for this purpose.
Id imagine ad based apps wouldnt be too happy about it. At the least an app that reports IPs times , and IN/OUT info.
I never use SMS or mms and have not gotten any during this time.
My concern is not related to getting charges but with unwanted use of my phone or data. When the data connection auto enables it will go through my battery in a matter or hours and who knows what the phone may be doing.
I know I can turn this off and make sure data is not used - in fact I have already done this. However when smoke enters room you don't just put a towel under the door and forget about it. I want to find the source of this and stop it because the behavior is not normal.
I agree something like zone alarm would be good. You should be able prevent or track an app activities for situations like this. If I knew what was connecting to these IPs and enabling the data connection I could stop it and report the app or submit a bug request. Right now I am just all alone.
I did try system panel which seems like a nice app but it does not give me good information on network usage by app. OSMonitor is better at connection monitoring but doesn't list by app. Why has no one thought to monitor network threads by app?
Try alogcat maybe? Any time you notice the icon suddenly appearing, save a copy of the logcat and comb through it.
alogcat may work. Figured out OSMonitor had something similar and filtered by app.
Now I just gotta wait I guess. Still not enough info to relate to IP though.
You should know that the data connection setting isn't an enforcement for the entire phone. It only acts as a notice to applications on whether or not to use data in the background.
Developers are supposed to respect those settings, but they are not enforced.
There is a free program called Network Statistics which is no longer in the market. I will backup the apk for you and upload it so you can use it. It shows the amount of data used by each app.
I too had a data hungry app issue and this helped me solve it immediately.
I'm just at work ATM, so I'll do it this evening. (Almost midday now here in Australia )
Cheers,
Ross
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I am aware of this which is why I want to track this problem down.
@Ross
That sounds great. I appreciate the help. Not sure if tracking data usage is enough since I don't think the app is sending a lot of data. But I am willing to try anything.
I should be getting froyo soon so maybe that will help as well.
This is what I do when I want to ensure I don't use Data. Go I. To wireless connections. Mobile Networks, and then access points. Create a new one. I usually call it No Data. The for the apn, I just make something dumb, like no.data.com, and then save. After I'll select that as my apn.
The issue is not about the use of the data connection. I have done this and can guarantee the phone cannot use any cell data network. The problem is an app is trying to use it anyway even when it is disabled. Even if you ignore that as a concerning activity the constant 3G searching reduces the battery life to a mere hours.
I appreciate the help, but my issue is not with how to disable the data connection. Its about identifying malware on my device, and tracking an app calls to a specific IP.
Again,k 3g doesn't mean data. 3g is also used for voice.
If you only want to use "2g" switch your phone over to gsm only through 4636 or through the menu where it says "use 2g only".
You will never see the 3g icon again.
If you wan't to be 100% sure no app is calling an IP, then do a factory reset. Install apps one by one, monitor them through the various options given in this thread already.
You will not be able to prevent an application from "calling home" unless you modify the app itself. Apps use the data connection provided to them by the OS however they see fit.
Every app you install has a permissions prompt that will tell you it want's internet access.
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Again,k 3g doesn't mean data. 3g is also used for voice.
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The Android "3G", "H", "E" or "G" icon denotes data. It may also appear temporarily when making the connection necessary to transmit MMS. It does not appear when the phone is using voice over 3G without a data connection.
Actually, this may be a T-Mobile issue - they just enabled the ability to do "pay as you go" data on ALL plans without a data plan, so they may be the ones turning on the ability to do data. You'd still need to authorize it in your browser, and I think it costs about $1/1MB so it is totally not worth it.
May be worth looking into because it wouldn't surprise me if their new "service" is screwing things up.
I am aware of 3G voice but the 3G status icon is related to data flow. I have had the phone since launch and posted this because this behavior is not normal. Even Google was perplexed by what it is doing. And as I said it is not constrained by the 4636 settings.
And I disagree that an app can use the network connection as they see fit. Rights are given to perform its intended purpose; anything else is malicious.
which is more private, use wireless networks or gps satellites? also considering battery life. im the type that thinks if they want to find me via my wireless device, they can do so without either of these options enabled on my device.
a few poorly developed apps require gps, for some reason, to view places that are around me instead of using 3g...
What do you mean private?
About battery life, GPS does drain your battery more, so use it only when you need to navigate or find places around you.
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What do you mean private?
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The more pertinent questions are...What have you done, and who is the "they" that might find you?
I do think most cell phones can be traced to a physical location by nearby towers anytime a call is placed or received (Bourne Identity style, cuz all movies are totally real), regardless of whether or not you have those location options checked on the phone. But you will need to have at least GPS or wireless networks location enabled if you are searching for things near you on like Maps or Footprints.
Or if you're worried about location information being stored in your phone, I think you could delete cache/data from Maps, Footprints, Places, etc. on a regular basis and that would keep the history from showing up, right?
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The more pertinent questions are...What have you done, and who is the "they" that might find you?
I do think most cell phones can be traced to a physical location by nearby towers anytime a call is placed or received (Bourne Identity style, cuz all movies are totally real), regardless of whether or not you have those location options checked on the phone. But you will need to have at least GPS or wireless networks location enabled if you are searching for things near you on like Maps or Footprints.
Or if you're worried about location information being stored in your phone, I think you could delete cache/data from Maps, Footprints, Places, etc. on a regular basis and that would keep the history from showing up, right?
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i like that response.
As long as your phone is on they pretty much know where you are
Case in point.... I live in chicago, use the phone before I start a trip. 8 hours later I'm in nebraska you call me and I answer one the 1st ring. How does the system know where I'm at
Does "use wireless networks" have much of an impact on battery life? There are some programs like HTC clock widget with weather that seems to require it on. When turning on "use wireless networks" there's a message saying "Collection will occur even when no applications are running", what exactly does this mean? I'm mainly concerned about idle battery life.
shilent said:
Does "use wireless networks" have much of an impact on battery life? There are some programs like HTC clock widget with weather that seems to require it on. When turning on "use wireless networks" there's a message saying "Collection will occur even when no applications are running", what exactly does this mean? I'm mainly concerned about idle battery life.
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Battery life really won't improve all that much if it's off, and if it's off you'll lose a ton of features, like the market and such.
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Battery life really won't improve all that much if it's off, and if it's off you'll lose a ton of features, like the market and such.
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You shouldn't need to have 'Use Wireless Networks' checked to use Market. I know I don't and it works fine..
stayclean said:
You shouldn't need to have 'Use Wireless Networks' checked to use Market. I know I don't and it works fine..
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Maybe I'm thinking of that old "backgroud data" feature in sense roms
theimpaler747 said:
Maybe I'm thinking of that old "backgroud data" feature in sense roms
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Background Data needs to be on to access the Market regardless of being on 2.2, 2.1, and below. Use Wireless Networks just finds your location based on IP address over wifi, doesn't use quite as much battery as GPS, but not super accurate either.
stayclean said:
Background Data needs to be on to access the Market regardless of being on 2.2, 2.1, and below. Use Wireless Networks just finds your location based on IP address over wifi, doesn't use quite as much battery as GPS, but not super accurate either.
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That's what I was thinking of, my bad
Sent from my hero running froyo... take that Sprint!
As stated in thread title, I would like to be informed about a good application that I can download from the market that can track every app's data usage (preferabbly 3G).
The reason I am asking for such an app is that, every time I turn on my 3G internet (cellular internet, whatever), something is downloading.
I have used 3G Watchdog, and can confirm that something on my phone is downloading data at around 2KB/s. This behaviour has the secondary effect of draining my battery alot (like 30-40% per hour).
I would wish to track down that naughty app (could be system app...oh no...) if possible and freaking delete it. It's weird, because that behaviour doesn't happen when I only use Wi-Fi internet. It's only when I turn on cellular internet that it happens.
Thank you in advance.
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As stated in thread title, I would like to be informed about a good application that I can download from the market that can track every app's data usage (preferabbly 3G).
The reason I am asking for such an app is that, every time I turn on my 3G internet (cellular internet, whatever), something is downloading.
I have used 3G Watchdog, and can confirm that something on my phone is downloading data at around 2KB/s. This behaviour has the secondary effect of draining my battery alot (like 30-40% per hour).
I would wish to track down that naughty app (could be system app...oh no...) if possible and freaking delete it. It's weird, because that behaviour doesn't happen when I only use Wi-Fi internet. It's only when I turn on cellular internet that it happens.
Thank you in advance.
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I have used Traffic Counter Extended in the past .. it found my data leak back then.
+1 on Traffic counter. was the best option around
LBE guard.
Hi,
currently, I don't have an unlimited data plan, but switch on mobile internet on demand, for a single day. Most of the time I'm using wifi.
Now, I own my Z3C only for two weeks. Some days ago, I was travelling and thus configured and switched on mobile internet for the first time with this phone, for a single day. I am pretty sure I switched mobile internet off in the evening.
But looking into my provider's online overview today, I noticed that since then, my phone used mobile internet from time to time (about every five hours or so). The amount of data seems to be low (<1kB), but anyway, up to today that triggered four additional days of mobile internet usage without me needing that and even without me knowing that.
Can anybody explain what's going on there - and especially how to switch that behavior off?
The phone is stock, unchanged, and unrooted (all updates installed). No MMS have been sent or received. The data usage in settings does not give any helpful information.
Your not alone, im having the same problem. I haven't found any solutions nor any reference to such problem until now. I also have stock rom, hardly any additional apps, turned off automatic updates etc. But it still connects to internet, behind my back for A SECOND, sometimes in every ten minutes, sometimes once a day. A temp solution is to delete the APN settings, but this does not solve the problem.
SO CAN ANYONE HELP US?
I have a guess. It's either Anonymous data sending or phone usage. These two .apks send anonymous data to Sony, probably even using mobile data. It's a guess tough.
Nevertheless, I have removed them since I'm rooted.
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I have a guess. It's either Anonymous data sending or phone usage. These two .apks send anonymous data to Sony, probably even using mobile data. It's a guess tough.
Nevertheless, I have removed them since I'm rooted.
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Can i somehow determine, which .apk is sending/receiving data, alldough i'm offline.
san_ko said:
Can i somehow determine, which .apk is sending/receiving data, alldough i'm offline.
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You can try Onavo, but I believe those services will be masked under OS/Android, so it's hard to pinpoint them.
Also you van try the default app in > Settings, Data Usage (Mobile Data only)
san_ko said:
Your not alone, im having the same problem. I haven't found any solutions nor any reference to such problem until now. I also have stock rom, hardly any additional apps, turned off automatic updates etc. But it still connects to internet, behind my back for A SECOND, sometimes in every ten minutes, sometimes once a day. A temp solution is to delete the APN settings, but this does not solve the problem.
SO CAN ANYONE HELP US?
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In the meantime, I found a cure: Changing Settings -> Location -> Mode from "High accuracy" to "Battery Saving" immediately stopped the network access.
According to some other forum, assisted GPS is the reason, so using either "High accuracy" or "Device only" will both cause GPS to ask the mobile network for AGPS data from time to time. It is yet unclear to me why this also happens when I have an active WLAN connection.
With that knowledge, removing ",supl" from the APN type (and saving the APN afterwards!) could also disable fetching of AGPS data from the mobile network while mobile internet is switched off, but I didn't test that yet.
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In the meantime, I found a cure: Changing Settings -> Location -> Mode from "High accuracy" to "Battery Saving" immediately stopped the network access.
According to some other forum, assisted GPS is the reason, so using either "High accuracy" or "Device only" will both cause GPS to ask the mobile network for AGPS data from time to time. It is yet unclear to me why this also happens when I have an active WLAN connection.
With that knowledge, removing ",supl" from the APN type (and saving the APN afterwards!) could also disable fetching of AGPS data from the mobile network while mobile internet is switched off, but I didn't test that yet.
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Hey
thanks for the update, i'm gonna try first "device only" (i had it on high accuracy) and after the APN type change and see if i get any changes.
davebugyi said:
I have a guess. It's either Anonymous data sending or phone usage. These two .apks send anonymous data to Sony, probably even using mobile data. It's a guess tough.
Nevertheless, I have removed them since I'm rooted.
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You have mentioned in signature that "Xperia Z3 Compact | Completely Stock - Rooted"
I would also like to root my phone but stock root. Can you help me how you did that?
nri_tech1183 said:
You have mentioned in signature that "Xperia Z3 Compact | Completely Stock - Rooted"
I would also like to root my phone but stock root. Can you help me how you did that?
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Here you go
san_ko said:
Hey
thanks for the update, i'm gonna try first "device only" (i had it on high accuracy) and after the APN type change and see if i get any changes.
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As far as I understood things, that will not help, because "device-only" still activates GPS and thus still uses AGPS.
Did you try it already? What are your findings?
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As far as I understood things, that will not help, because "device-only" still activates GPS and thus still uses AGPS.
Did you try it already? What are your findings?
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I just checked, it made no changes (device only). Today from 00.00 to (strangely) 11.00 clock, is the internet on/off count 53 times. I can see that the connections were 0 sec and 1 kB. So what now?
san_ko said:
I just checked, it made no changes (device only). Today from 00.00 to (strangely) 11.00 clock, is the internet on/off count 53 times. I can see that the connections were 0 sec and 1 kB. So what now?
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Try "Battery Saving".
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Try "Battery Saving".
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So i switched GPS off all together, and it seems to be working, no internet connection has been made. I also noticed that for a while the device changed the settings from device only to high accuracy itself. I deleted the ",supl" lets see what happens.
Actually the phone stopped surfing on its own before i deleted "supl" and i think the problem was google and its location history. Im going to test furder. Did you get it under control?
So, over a month has passed and i have some good and bad news. The good news is, that the problem for me has stopped(12.02), the bad news is, i don't know why. I made many changes and now i don't know what affected it. But my guess is that it was the deleting of "supl". Because in one month i had all the settings(location, battery saver etc) on and off and it didn't affect the data usage. 16.03 i got lollipop on my device and this also didn't change it back.