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In german boards there are several speculations about how the N1's WiFi tethering works and how carriers might detect it. But there are no real facts, it seems like there is no one, who really knows about it.
Maybe here are some kind of "cracks", who really know what they are talking about and can provide some real information about it.
How does N1-tethering work? I guess it uses NAT-routing. Is this right? And the probably most important part: How do carriers detect tethering? They officially claim, they could detect it. But the question is, which way do they do this? Can they only detect if you use tethering at all, or do they also have the ability to separate between tethered data and phone's data? Only in that case they would be capable to bill the tethered data (here in Germany some carriers do not prohibit tethering, they can only charge about 50 cent per MB).
Is it possible, that the carrier only detect several devices, that connect to the internet using tethering? I'm a vodafone-customer and I've tried tethering my iPad and my Linux-Netbook several times. Nothing has been charged. Other customers, having the same data-plan, reported, that they habe been charged for tethering within minutes.
Maybe someone can answer my questions.
I dont know how it works but "I would imagine the request headers are what the provider is reading in order to determine the device/browser that is making the request."
http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-3757.html
If it really is like that, then I would just have to use Cisco-VPN on my iPad and they would not be able to read any requests anymore.
But someone in the official German vodafone-board said, the user-agent doesn't matter. And he seemed to be very sure about that. But unfortunately he didn't tell anything else. If you think of Dolphin for Android, which allows you to change the browser-identification, it really looks like this is nothing the carrier could make use of.
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I dont know how it works but "I would imagine the request headers are what the provider is reading in order to determine the device/browser that is making the request."
http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-3757.html
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I don't believe this to be accurate as phones are capable of changing their user agent to mimic a desktop browser, so it wouldn't be a reliable way of identifying a tethered connection.
IMO, there is no 100% fool proof way as it sits. The carrier can look at the traffic patterns though and might be able to figure it out though. Remember when you're connected to your carrier everything you do is going through their gateway, so they can see everything you're doing.
I agree that if you're wanting to make 100% sure they don't know, a VPN tunneling traffic would work. Once the traffic is encrypted, they have no way to tell what is happening, aside from the actual amount of data being transferred, which is why a lot of carriers in the USA or switching away from unlimited data plans and offering only limited ones (i.e. a 2gb or 5gb limit on plans).
It was discussed here a couple of months ago, I remember..
The discussion ended in - if the phone specifically didn't send the carrier any sign that it's tethering, detection of tethering would require heuristic scan patterns on the data that's being transferred - and would violate some "internet openness" rules in the process, and possibly allow a legal case against the carrier.
So, do you by any chance have custom ROM and your friends have official carrier ROMs? That might explain the difference.
People in spain have reported being charged more by vodafone (they charge you more if you tether and your plan doesnt cover it) by simply using an app on the phone that changed the browser's user agent to mimic a desktop one.
I dont know whether it is or it isnt legal to read the 'headers' of HTTP messages. It's more to do with the protocol than with the content, and both ends need to be able to read these things to actually work, some routers may even scoop just to adjust to different QoS patterns or whatever. So it might be legal after all.
Port activity can tell you're tethering or not; moreover, tethering does likely bypass proxy server which is used for phone only.
Ok, to find out more I've made a little research about how to generally detect Network Address Translation and I've made some tests.
As it seems, the Browser-Identification won't work. Maybe in spain there are some data-plans which only allow browsing with the special phone's browser and only using HTTP-Connections. But that's not suitable for a real data plan, which allows you, to send every data you like from your phone. On the other hand, at least in Germany, I think they wouldn't be allowed to read the data content of TCP-packets.
Then I've used a packet sniffer to find out, how different devices (N1, iPad and Kubuntu10.04) handle things like outgoing ports and packet IDs.
Both won't be very likely to use by the carrier, because Android doesn't increment them, but uses it by shuffle. The iPad also shuffles the packet IDs, but increments the ports. I think this will not matter, because the NAT will redirect the ports anyway. Only Kubuntu increments packet IDs and as they normally aren't changed by NAT, carriers could detect that. In general, all of the devices used outgoing ports between 35,000 and 55,000.
Possibly they could look at the time to live of the packets. The interesting question is, how the N1's NAT handels the TTL. Normally, a router decrements the TTL by 1. But it doesn't have to.
All of my tested devices use a TTL of 64 for outgoing packets (no one will wonder about that, because all those system are based on UNIX or Linux). So, if the NAT decrements the TTL, the carrier could detect tethered packets quite easily. Normal packets would reach the carrier's gateway with TTL 64, tethered packets with TTL 63. Maybe, the NAT doesn't decrement the TTL. Then the carrier wouldn't be able to detect it this way, except of this: As I read, Windows-Systems use a TTL of 128, so the carrier ould detect this immediately, no matter if it's decremented or not. This would explain why some people tell they could tether other phones without being billed, but getting charged when tethering their PC. This could only be covered, if the NAT would rewrite the TTL with 64. It don't think it does.
Maybe someone, who has a rooted phone (mine is not rooted, it's a normal FRF91), could install packet sniffer from the market and then catch some packets while tethering. Then we could have a look at the packet's headers and maybe find out, what the NAT does with the TTL.
FYI this isn't technically a problem in the US - it's illegal for carriers to monitor the actual data streams without a warrant.
My understanding is that tethering (WiFi/USB) can be accomplished in two different fashions.
1) The phone (in this case the Nexus One) acts as the modem and router and re-requests whatever the tethered device requested. Thus, the mobile operator sees the Nexus One as using the DATA rather than the actual device requesting the DATA.
2) The phone simply passes the requests to mobile operator along with some identifying info about the requesting device. (the preferred method by the mobile operators)
I have no idea which method the Nexus One (FroYo) employs, but I have a suspicion that it is method 1.
Dan
i Will say it does work as a wifi hotspot, so i connected using my ipad up to the ssid the nexus made, and connected fine, but un sure if charges will appear, i will keep a eye out on my next bill.. but they dont detect then that saves me $25/mon for the 3g data, if i can just use my phone $30 unlimited..
I was wondering about this as well. I have the current $25/mo 2gb plan and I sometimes need to use my laptop to check things that I need a larger screen for (Mostly graphic design attachments like illustrator and photoshop files). Would AT&T detect my using the Nexus One as a hotspot, and if so, would they charge?
I think the whole tethering thing is kind of ridiculous on AT&T. You're paying an extra $20+ per month to use the data you're already paying for except on your computer. They've been dealing with Apple for far too long...
In UK 3 know I'm tethering...
On using my Laptop tethered I get a 3 splash screen on first opening up a browser (IE or Firefox). There don't seem to be any other issues (everything else then works fine & dandy) ... yet...
Can't be that long before some carrier decides to clamp down on tethering some more...
Lodger
theartfullodger said:
In UK 3 know I'm tethering...
On using my Laptop tethered I get a 3 splash screen on first opening up a browser (IE or Firefox). There don't seem to be any other issues (everything else then works fine & dandy) ... yet...
Can't be that long before some carrier decides to clamp down on tethering some more...
Lodger
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Nexus bought from their network? Rooted? What ROM?
The only viable (and probably legal) way for an operator to detech tethering is via looking data consumptions, other methods discussed over here although technically possible, would be administratively expensive even if legally allowed... I suggest if you are on an unlimited data plan and want to be heavy on tethering do it from the start not later on in order not to raise any flags on the operator side.
Cheers, sub
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I was wondering about this as well. I have the current $25/mo 2gb plan and I sometimes need to use my laptop to check things that I need a larger screen for (Mostly graphic design attachments like illustrator and photoshop files). Would AT&T detect my using the Nexus One as a hotspot, and if so, would they charge?
I think the whole tethering thing is kind of ridiculous on AT&T. You're paying an extra $20+ per month to use the data you're already paying for except on your computer. They've been dealing with Apple for far too long...
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I've been using my N1 on AT&T to tether a pretty good amount and had no complaints. I even stream netflix movies and haven't heard a word.
obviously our phones send and receive data over wifi. when tethering, the phone is still sending and receiving data over wifi, it's just connecting to another device. not to be rude but it is a pretty easy concept. it is an amazing thing though.
right now i am on a camping trip, and i of course brought my phone and laptop with me so i have been tethering a bit. i just happened to be in an area with fantastic signal strength and speedtest.net shows that i am getting up to 2.5Mbps down, and about 1Mbps or so up. it's working GREAT! it's still not cable or fios fast, but it's fast.
Tethering on Talkmobile
I've recently get an unlimited data Talkmobile contract (UK) and I'm thinking of tethering (it's against T&Cs). Has anyone else done this? If they don't detect it, it's a great deal at only £12 month (though the unlimited deal which I have got is no longer available).
I was thinking, the mentioned methods of detecting tethering, even if they are viable and legal, might not be enough for the operators to prove that I was tethering, and hence they couldn't legally do anything about it. I don't know if this is the case or not (but I think I'll choose to believe that).
If I can tether, it means I can buy the PS Vita WiFi only and have as much connectivity as the 3G version!
Sounds like a good project for this weekend. I'll do some packet sniffing and post if I find anything. TMO in US, though.
would the carrier (Three in the uk) be able to detect tethering if i connected my phone to a vpn. because then surely all data would look identical?
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The guy at ATT store said last week when I bought my Tilt that in order to use it with my laptop I had to pay the extra ($59/month plan instead of the $39 I was hoping for) for my unlimited data plan.
My question is, if though I have the username and password (cause I called them for it) and am using the HTC ROM (instead of the ATT one), do I still need to be paying extra for the "TETHERING" service?
Thanks guys
Nope. Just need to connect your phone using the Internet Sharing program, and you should be good to go.
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Nope. Just need to connect your phone using the Internet Sharing program, and you should be good to go.
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That is not necessarily true. If your data usage pattern (IE, large amounts of data) indicates you are tethering, you will get popped for excess data usage. If your tethering is light, then you should be alright.
Don't assume you can hook up your laptop and go to town web surfing.
While that is true, I think they're pretty lenient with it. I had around a GB of data one month and they didn't care. But yeah, keeping it under the radar is a good rule.
wanted to ask about this
With the 3125 I have I was able to use ICS with the 20 dollar media plan or whatever. I work for different companies and I would use that to get to the net privately. Anyway, I went to another company and I couldn't get ICS to work on that network for some reason.
I'm a developer so I compiled up an internet proxy server to run on the phone. So basically when activesync is not active I could run the server and set my browser to that proxy server. Anyone know if that could avoid tethering? I don't have the proxy running on my Tilt yet. I was going to put a nicer UI on it. I'm wondering if anyone around here would have a use for it.
att as of right now has not been able to catch people tethering other than by exorbant data usage (obviously d/ling 20 GB a month on your kaiser without a tethering plan is going to get you caught), but if it wouldnt take you too long im sure there are a lot of people here who would have a use for that.
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With the 3125 I have I was able to use ICS with the 20 dollar media plan or whatever. I work for different companies and I would use that to get to the net privately. Anyway, I went to another company and I couldn't get ICS to work on that network for some reason.
I'm a developer so I compiled up an internet proxy server to run on the phone. So basically when activesync is not active I could run the server and set my browser to that proxy server. Anyone know if that could avoid tethering? I don't have the proxy running on my Tilt yet. I was going to put a nicer UI on it. I'm wondering if anyone around here would have a use for it.
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I dont follow... ICs is for when you are out and about and want to use your laptop over your phone's data connection... so unless your new company arent paying for any data, then it will work regardless.
And apart from excessive data usage, the only way a network could potentially check up on tethering is if you use it for weird and wonderful things and thus use different ports.
no i'm talking about the local machines network. for some reason ics would not work there. so i run a proxy server on the phone. That worked for internet access without using the modem OR ics.
I rarely tether so data usage will probably not be an issue. The thing is on the rare occasion when I do I don't want to have to pay an extra $20/month. That is BS...
I just took a very rare road trip over the weekend and tethered using ICS so we'll see what happened when the bill comes next month.
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I rarely tether so data usage will probably not be an issue. The thing is on the rare occasion when I do I don't want to have to pay an extra $20/month. That is BS...
I just took a very rare road trip over the weekend and tethered using ICS so we'll see what happened when the bill comes next month.
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Please post the result when you get your bill. I am a IT person and once in a while I need to RDP to the office to fix something while I'm on the road. I really don't want to pay $20 more every month for those rare cases.
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Nope. Just need to connect your phone using the Internet Sharing program, and you should be good to go.
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Was this application removed from the Tilt? I am not seeing it in Programs, Tools, or Settings. Thanks.
madmatt079 said:
Was this application removed from the Tilt? I am not seeing it in Programs, Tools, or Settings. Thanks.
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Check your comm manager.
DeniaL said:
Check your comm manager.
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You won't find it under Comm Manager or under Settings... Connections. AT&T has hidden the program (deleted the shortcut), but it's still there, and it works just fine:
Create a shortcut in \windows\start menu\programs (or wherever you want to put it) for the following program:
\windows\IntShrUI.exe
Run it, and you're done.
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H0mersimp0n what are the settings youare using that at&t gave you, I have another post on this forum looking for those. Any help would be great!
Thanks
From a technology standpoint, you will be able to tether with pretty much any AT&T data plan. However, the issue is that doing so is technically a violation of the terms of service. (AT&T goes so far as to single out tethering as being prohibited, unless you are paying for a tethering plan.) In practice, I think most people have found that AT&T tends not to enforce this provision unless your data usage is ridiculously high - at a level that, based on their estimation, is just not consistent with handset use. This is pretty subjective and I think that if anyone got flagged for high usage, it would still be AT&T's burden to "prove" the tethering. (Having said that, while that person might be able to fight against being charged per KB, AT&T might still be able to cancel the contract, anyway)
If you take AT&T's terms of service literally, the vast majority of the data usage on a PDA would be prohibited. From their perspective, only web browsing, checking email and streaming media content that you bought from them would be permitted. Let's see how long AT&T keeps its smartphone/PDA customers if they start enforcing these terms literally.
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You won't find it under Comm Manager or under Settings... Connections. AT&T has hidden the program (deleted the shortcut), but it's still there, and it works just fine:
Create a shortcut in \windows\start menu\programs (or wherever you want to put it) for the following program:
\windows\IntShrUI.exe
Run it, and you're done.
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For anyone who needs it, the shortcut should be set to: 41#:MSINTERNET_SHARING?:intshruiapp
And to make it worse, AT&T is jacking with the prices for all internet service through the phone.
Personally I think that internet through Cell networks should be dirt cheap. Why? No "last mile" copper to mess with. The "last mile" is the copper to your house is a pain in the you know what for most provider companies to deal with. It is the highest expense for them. With cell networks, there is no "last mile" and much lower costs for them to keep the network running. Put that with the fact that cellular networks are so much slower than broadband so their connectivity costs are much lower than DSL and Cable. Bottom line is AT&T and others are making a KILLING on network access. The cellular bandwidth is very broad and can handle the data quite easily if more folks were using it real time for access. In the end it probably wouldn't even jump more than 10%, of which they are ready to handle right now.
Let them know you don't appreciate their pricing. It won't get better if we accept things as is.
Personally, I would have liked for this company to have taken off, if it weren't for the feds. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9770197-7.html Damn the man!
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h0mersimps0n said:
The guy at ATT store said last week when I bought my Tilt that in order to use it with my laptop I had to pay the extra ($59/month plan instead of the $39 I was hoping for) for my unlimited data plan.
My question is, if though I have the username and password (cause I called them for it) and am using the HTC ROM (instead of the ATT one), do I still need to be paying extra for the "TETHERING" service?
Thanks guys
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I just got my Tilt and am new to AT&T. I am trying to setup tethering. With my old cellular ISP (Cellular South) I was able to setup my WM5 pda phone as a modem pretty easily.
I am not sure what my username and password is or what do enter to "dial".
With CS ISP the phone and the wireless modem setup just dialed #777.
Can some please point me in a direction?
Thanks!
If you do a hard reset on the tilt and soft reset before the customer configuration takes place, internet sharing icon will appear in the "Programs"
Internet Sharing
Does anyone have any experience with the "Wireless Modem" feature on the new AT&T Tilt?
It appears to offer the same function as Internet Sharing utility but I can't seem to make it work... Anybody know what the heck this Wireless Modem feature is and how to use it with our PDA Unlimited Plan?
I messed with it on my notebook when I was on the road and had no success at all with it...
Sincerely,
Charlie
My current data plan does not allow tethering, more specifically the use of the phone as an internet modem. But I know apps like PDAnet can bypass it and behaves like a mobile web app so that I won't get charged extra. I was wondering if the Froyo's new WiFi hotspot feature behaves like PDAnet.
Thanks!
yes it does.
It works for me too and I'm loving it.
Sorry to get off topic i didn't want to start an entire thread. If I may speculatr; If any of the 4 major carriers were to allow tethering I think its T-Mobile, they are focused on improving their 3g while the others are worried about 4g and Verizon is even making overtures for tiered, limited plans for 4g. I know very little but T-Mobile is finally losing customers and can't afford to be restrictive plus their relatively few subscribers means they are unlikely to have overuse issues that can disrupt service, plus afaik T-Mobile USA doesn't have mobile data plans other than for cell phones. Again this is all speculation and I don't know if carriers have official positions on tethering but T-Mobile just seems to me the most likely to allow it for free, I don't see how it would cost them anything, and with tethering working so well I'd prefer cheap 3g (which is theoretically super fast by the end of 2010) with tethering and unlimited data than 4g, no tethering, more expensive, and tiered.
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My current data plan does not allow tethering, more specifically the use of the phone as an internet modem. But I know apps like PDAnet can bypass it and behaves like a mobile web app so that I won't get charged extra. I was wondering if the Froyo's new WiFi hotspot feature behaves like PDAnet.
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[stock Google Nexus One (not rooted or unlocked) on AT&T 3G (without a tethering plan)]
I have used PdaNet for a few weeks with great success, but it is only a tether, not a hotspot.
I manually updated to FRF91 a couple days ago and have been using the native Froyo WiFi Hotspot functionality instead of PdaNet.
Overall it seems to work, though there has been occasional weirdness. Sometimes when I try to connect my Windows 7 laptop to the AndroidAP hotspot, it takes forever, and then I get "limited connectivity - no internet access". And sometimes it just works fine. At least once there was no default gateway set after "connecting" (so, no data!). I do not know where the problem is - Windows, Android, or AT&T.
I have read elsewhere (from a Google source) that the carriers CAN SEE if you have the tethering/hotspot function enabled, and in fact THEY CAN DISABLE the functionality remotely. I have also seen other info that contradicts this, though I am predisposed to believe the (claimed) Google source. It doesn't make sense to me that the carriers would allow this functionality onto the phone if they could not control it.
We shall see.....
I have a Samsung Ativ S which I have been using as a WiFi hotspot to connect my laptop and Nexus 7 to while I am working away. Recently got a text to tell me if I carry on I will be cut off on my mobile contract. I have a sim only deal that gives me unlimited calls, text and 3G internet so I'm a bit brassed off. It took an hour of searching to find the no teathering in the conditions of use.
Any way what I want to know are there any Windows Phone apps that will hide the teathering from my supplier? I am hung off a T Mobile/ Orange network.
Daedalus1
ATIV S can use wired tethering (search the forum for it, I posted instructions and drivers sometime last year). Even though my plan supports tethering, it's data-limited and when I use the wired tethering they don't list the data usage for it so I'm guessing it's not detectable, or at least not easily.
There's also an app called TetherX or something like that, which will act as a SOCKS proxy server on the phone; you then set your PC to use the phone as its proxy server. Won't work for non-proxy-aware apps but otherwise should do the trick.
Of course, this all assumes they're checking whether or not you're using the phone's tethering feature somehow, rather than doing something more nefarious like deep packet inspection. If they're checking "are you using the 'Internet Sharing' feature?" then I would expect them to just limit its usage; the phone has the capability to test whether or not tethering is permitted on your plan, and does so test by default. If they're using DPI and noticing traffic to/from PC clients (based on user-agent strings or something) then you're in trouble unless you can route all your traffic over SSL, which mostly thwarts packet inspection.
Hi everyone, recently I been seeing from other threads and sections other than Nexus 5 about members having a hard time tethering their data to computers, video game consoles, tablets, etc. I have been tethering my phone to my PS3 ever since we were able to use 4G internet on Nexus 4's and T-Mobile stepping their game up.
I have been researching and trying out various apps to use my tethering to its full extent(mind you, I have the truly unlimited plan ever since it came out, with 500mb sharing data). Likewise, whether you abuse this glorious internet that T-Mobile has to offer, or have no other ISP other than T-Mobile, I'll share you my settings for making the tethering work.
Update: as of March(ish)/April(ish), I've noticed that tethering is a PAIN in the butt. However, I was able to still get tethering to work, and I hope this all applies to you all (not just the truly unlimited plans, but also prepaid and limited GB plans). There is but one problem I have experienced, and I'm not SURE if it's T-Mobile getting REALLY smart or my phone is in the brink of failing me, but I get disconnected 15 minutes later after connecting my phone to PS3 to play online (BO2). Back then, I would never have this problem. What's worse is my data would actually stall and not connect yet I'm still seeing full signal. Only fix is turning on airplane mode and off. Anyways, enough with the blabbering.
Note:I know some of these steps is not really necessary for me since I have truly unlimited, but I like to take pre cautions. YOU MUST HAVE ROOT
First: Download SQ Lite Editor on your phone (if you have one for your computer, by means go ahead). Locate the settings.db by going to data/data/com.android.providers.settings/databases/settings.db. Once you find it, go to global and insert a new entry "tether_dun_required" with the value "0". Once done, save and close. If you're using a computer, well, you should also know how that works.
Second: Download build prop editor on the Play Store. Add a new entry by pressing the pencil icon on the bottom that says "net.tethering.noprovisioning=true". Reboot phone.
Third: Head over to your APN and DELETE EVERYTHING. Add a new APN named T-Mobile GPRS(you can name it whatever you want), with the APN:"fast.t-mobile.com". MMSC:http://mms.msg.eng.t-mobile.com/mms/wapenc
MMS Port:80
MMC:310
MNC:260
APN Type:default,MMS,dun
APN Protocol and Roaming Protocol both IPV4.
Save.
Now here's the app's I use.
Clockworkmod Tether: For computers. Since I have a desktop, this is the best USB tether connection IMO. Download the app on the store and download the drivers on your PC/Laptop and voila, insta connect. Now in terms of user agent switcher, I would download fiddle2 on your computer. This program monitors all IP's going thru. Open up fiddler, go to "Rules," "User-Agents," and select "Custom..." A window will pop up. Leave this blank and click okay. Now, all of the network traffic from that computer with have its user-agent string modified to "User-Agent:[blank]" Test this out on any browser on your computer and you should not be redirected to the upsell page.http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2493675 if you need more information. But on all honesty, just find a user agent switch on Chrome extensions and choose IE7. I been using that for years with no problem.
WiFi Tether Router: By far my favorite tethering app (shout out to the creator Fabio) for playing my ps3. I have tried this on my friends ps4 and it works. I also used this app to share my data to other peoples cellphones and laptops. If you don't have $2.50 to spare then idk what to say....anyways here's the setup.
WiFi Name:whatever you want.
Password: whatever
Channel:0
Interface: wlan0
Method: auto
Enable DMZ(for gaming)
On DCHP Setting: click "get default provider DNS" and then check mark DNS redirect and save config.
On advance WiFi setting please make sure to disable scanning always available. Now fire it up and see if all goes well. If you want source of where I got this setting, head on over to https://sites.google.com/site/wifitetherrouter/home/device-configuration
I hope these settings will help you guys. I hope someone else had the same problem with me randomly disconnecting and hopefully found a fix. As for T-Mobile, they have gotten smart about tethering. Hopefully they won't become another Verizon or AT&T. But in reality, please, if you're gonna download big files or movies, use your home internet. If you have truly unlimited, then use your phone to download them. Why do you have to tether to a computer to download torrents and whatever when your phone can do that? It's called smartphone for a reason. Wanna stream a movie? Get slimport or a Chromecast and hook it on the TV. Use the hotspot for small things and personal things such as home works, projects, research, etc.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Don't be an A-Hole... There is a reason why no carrier provides Unmetered/Unlimited tethering.
Data usage from a computer is almost 5X more than a smart phone, as on a full PC everything isn't compressed while on on a smartphone data usage is much smaller.
Doing this will only further increase congestion from all data hogs like you.
See: http://www.tmonews.com/2014/08/clea...ing-data-misuse-is-not-widespread-throttling/
"A very small number of our customers are misusing their Simple Choice Unlimited data service in violation of their rate plan and terms and conditions by bypassing the default tethering feature or engaging in peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing. This type of usage can negatively impact our ability to offer affordable unlimited data. In order to protect all T-Mobile customers, we will be reaching out to these people to educate them on our terms and conditions of service, but if the misuse continues, they could have their data speeds reduced for the remainder of their billing cycle."
Tether_dun_required 0 and I can tether all day on system tether app.
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Don't be an A-Hole... There is a reason why no carrier provides Unmetered/Unlimited tethering.
Data usage from a computer is almost 5X more than a smart phone, as on a full PC everything isn't compressed while on on a smartphone data usage is much smaller.
Doing this will only further increase congestion from all data hogs like you.
See: http://www.tmonews.com/2014/08/clea...ing-data-misuse-is-not-widespread-throttling/
"A very small number of our customers are misusing their Simple Choice Unlimited data service in violation of their rate plan and terms and conditions by bypassing the default tethering feature or engaging in peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing. This type of usage can negatively impact our ability to offer affordable unlimited data. In order to protect all T-Mobile customers, we will be reaching out to these people to educate them on our terms and conditions of service, but if the misuse continues, they could have their data speeds reduced for the remainder of their billing cycle."
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I'm not being an A hole, I'm just trying to tell people to use the tethering smartly. I have been tethering since T-Mobile only had 500mb of sharing. Not once have I went over the sharing data. I BARELY use my computer to surf the internet. Why would I need to use a computer to surf the internet when modern smart phones are capable of handling websites and flash. I even said I use slimport to see everything in a bigger view.
m52 power! said:
Tether_dun_required 0 and I can tether all day on system tether app.
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Yea this is all I needed too do. Some guy made a zip to do it automatically, I updated it to work with lollipop.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...-tether-dun-required-0-flashable-zip-t2942756
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T-Mobile Tethering
Not to be redundant here, But if your paying for the "unlimited data plan"
it includes Tethering! not sure what the data limit is but it's included in the cost.
While phones before the nexus 5 had to be hacked to change the setting so you could tether [on t-mobile AFAIK], they still can tell your on a pc.
Obviously there are ways around the limits, BTDT but theres no need on unlimited plan.
My unlimited plan doesn't have tethering. It's true unlimited with no cap or throttling on T-Mobile. My Galaxy Nexus didn't need any "hacks" to tether.
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My unlimited states it comes with 5gb of tethering
I've got a pay-as-you-go account while I try Verizon out in my area. Unfortunately when I turn on hotspot no actual data is passed to the connected devices. I can connect to the phone, but the device I connect with tells me there's no internet. I remember Verizon wanting me to upgrade to yet another level in order to have hotspot allowed.
I've looked around on here and can't find anything related to bypassing this bull****. Can someone point me in the correct direction?
Thank you!
pdanet! you'll need to install it on both the phone and the computer you are connecting to it. it doesn't work on things like roku or streaming devices.
I use it all day every day and have for a year now. blazing fast.
i'm sure there's other solutions, but this is the one that works perfect for me.
bubbyj said:
pdanet! you'll need to install it on both the phone and the computer you are connecting to it. it doesn't work on things like roku or streaming devices.
I use it all day every day and have for a year now. blazing fast.
i'm sure there's other solutions, but this is the one that works perfect for me.
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I appreciate the advice, but I want to enable hotspot so I can share it with ANY device without the need for doing anything on the other device to connect (other than a password. But thank you though
armyturtle said:
I appreciate the advice, but I want to enable hotspot so I can share it with ANY device without the need for doing anything on the other device to connect (other than a password. But thank you though
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Used to be if you were rooted you could use a magisk module to do this.
You can use VPN Hotspot. But I think you need to use a real VPN service alongside it.
armyturtle said:
I appreciate the advice, but I want to enable hotspot so I can share it with ANY device without the need for doing anything on the other device to connect (other than a password. But thank you though
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Probably out of luck then. I know of no solution.
The only other option you have is to do the pdaNet+ on your computer, and then use your computer as an adhoc hotspot. You'll probably only be able to blast out about 50% of the speed that you draw on your phone going through two hops. But its likely the only solution you can use. And it'll only work on a PC, not a Mac.
Sorry bud.
Maybe I'm missing something here but if you're on a pre-paid plan to try out service, what does the hotspot functionality tell you? Hotspot will give you the same speeds as your existing device so long as you're not subject to any hotspot caps per the terms of service. I have 15 GB of full speed hotspot data on my plan and when I connect a device it is no different than the phone connection. Once I hit the limit then it is of course stupid slow ~600 kbps I believe. I only really use it when traveling to keep the toddlers entertained.
l7777 said:
Maybe I'm missing something here but if you're on a pre-paid plan to try out service, what does the hotspot functionality tell you? Hotspot will give you the same speeds as your existing device so long as you're not subject to any hotspot caps per the terms of service. I have 15 GB of full speed hotspot data on my plan and when I connect a device it is no different than the phone connection. Once I hit the limit then it is of course stupid slow ~600 kbps I believe. I only really use it when traveling to keep the toddlers entertained.
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You are missing it. I want to utilize my pay-as-you-go (not prepaid) plan, which has "unlimited" data, to give data to the other devices around me... my tablet, kids devices, etc. Been able to do this without limitation with my Google Fi pixel and account since they've offered Google Fi as a service. Simply click the hotspot icon to enable and everyone can connect to my phone like it's regular router, period. I don't want to give yet more money to Verizon to be able to do this. If I'm already paying for unlimited data once, it's none of their business how I utilize it; and screw their TOS.
Adb commands may work for you. I'll need them for sprint.
Adb set global tether_dun_req 0
Also try a custom OS or locked bootloader? I don't remember the exact command but if you google that you'll find it
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You are missing it. I want to utilize my pay-as-you-go (not prepaid) plan, which has "unlimited" data, to give data to the other devices around me... my tablet, kids devices, etc. Been able to do this without limitation with my Google Fi pixel and account since they've offered Google Fi as a service. Simply click the hotspot icon to enable and everyone can connect to my phone like it's regular router, period. I don't want to give yet more money to Verizon to be able to do this. If I'm already paying for unlimited data once, it's none of their business how I utilize it; and screw their TOS.
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I certainly agree with your sentiment that unlimited should be unlimited but as we all know by now that ship has sailed. You were aware of the limitations when you signed up for service. Lots of things are possible but restricted by an authority of some sort. That said, you may be able to do what you want but there will be hoops to jump through. It is foolish to expect a one click solution when you are explicitly attempting to bypass the known restrictions.
PDA Net is one such option.
Funneling the tethered traffic through a VPN is another as suggested above.
I'll make the assumption that you wish to do this while at your home and mobility is less of a concern. The below should effectively be able to turn a phone into a home internet connection.
You will need a USB-C dock with ethernet port, the VPN Hotspot app, and a router that will run OpenWRT
Configure OpenWRT to mangle all outgoing packets with a TTL of 65
Connect the WAN port of the router to the ethernet port of your dock
Use the VPN Hotspot app to tether with the ethernet connection
See if your devices can access the internet
This is based off what I know about how Verizon and many other mobile carriers detect tethered devices. The key is the TTL of outgoing ethernet packets. TTL is decremented at each router hop. From the phone packets always have a TTL of 64. When another device connects via the hotspot the packets will be seen by Verizon as having a TTL of 63. Thus they will deduce that it is a tethered device and limit the traffic. The usual disclaimers apply. I take no responsibility for the consequences of following or attempting to follow my instructions.
Can you believe its legal for a company separate from the manufacturers and even distributors of these device to place restrictions on hardware you own for the sake of profit? Its abusive and embarrassing. (Unless you leasing, then you making me sound stupid as hell)
Code:
adb shell
settings get global tether_dun_required
If you get null or 1 response:
adb shell
settings put global tether_dun_required 0.
try this my friend
l7777 said:
I certainly agree with your sentiment that unlimited should be unlimited but as we all know by now that ship has sailed. You were aware of the limitations when you signed up for service. Lots of things are possible but restricted by an authority of some sort. That said, you may be able to do what you want but there will be hoops to jump through. It is foolish to expect a one click solution when you are explicitly attempting to bypass the known restrictions.
PDA Net is one such option.
Funneling the tethered traffic through a VPN is another as suggested above.
I'll make the assumption that you wish to do this while at your home and mobility is less of a concern. The below should effectively be able to turn a phone into a home internet connection.
You will need a USB-C dock with ethernet port, the VPN Hotspot app, and a router that will run OpenWRT
Configure OpenWRT to mangle all outgoing packets with a TTL of 65
Connect the WAN port of the router to the ethernet port of your dock
Use the VPN Hotspot app to tether with the ethernet connection
See if your devices can access the internet
This is based off what I know about how Verizon and many other mobile carriers detect tethered devices. The key is the TTL of outgoing ethernet packets. TTL is decremented at each router hop. From the phone packets always have a TTL of 64. When another device connects via the hotspot the packets will be seen by Verizon as having a TTL of 63. Thus they will deduce that it is a tethered device and limit the traffic. The usual disclaimers apply. I take no responsibility for the consequences of following or attempting to follow my instructions.
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Yeah, again, I do appreciate your efforts to help. And no, I am not concerned about stationary setup... I do want to be able to be mobile. Also to clarify I never said I was expecting a "one-click" solution; that is another assumption you made. I'm familiar with linux and also have used the xposed modules in the past to bypass restrictions before on other mobile devices - such as apps detecting GPS spoofing. I used to use an exposed module and had some commands to enter to hide the GPS spoofing from the OS. Worked a treat actually.
I'm going to try Andrew2432's suggestion. Thank you again though - I do appreciate it.
armyturtle said:
Yeah, again, I do appreciate your efforts to help. And no, I am not concerned about stationary setup... I do want to be able to be mobile. Also to clarify I never said I was expecting a "one-click" solution; that is another assumption you made. I'm familiar with linux and also have used the xposed modules in the past to bypass restrictions before on other mobile devices - such as apps detecting GPS spoofing. I used to use an exposed module and had some commands to enter to hide the GPS spoofing from the OS. Worked a treat actually.
I'm going to try Andrew2432's suggestion. Thank you again though - I do appreciate it.
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You'll have to let us know if it works. I'm skeptical knowing how they identify tether traffic on my account. You can alter the TTL on the devices that connect to the hotspot but that has to be done on all the devices.
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Used to be if you were rooted you could use a magisk module to do this.
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That's what I do on Sprint/T-Mobile, root + Magisk hotspot/tethering module.
Well mines caught and I've tried everything. Editing build props with magisk, dun required set to 0, even the tethering module. When I tried to install lineage my esim wouldn't download. Pretty upset about adhoc pdanet right now. Especially since it cuts out constantly and it cuts out my 5g. Real mad.
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Well mines caught and I've tried everything. Editing build props with magisk, dun required set to 0, even the tethering module. When I tried to install lineage my esim wouldn't download. Pretty upset about adhoc pdanet right now. Especially since it cuts out constantly and it cuts out my 5g. Real mad.
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As I noted, I don't expect they are relying on your phone settings to detect/block tethering. There are ways of detecting the traffic on their end. Those things are what you'll need to mitigate.
I think with tmobile/sprint the culprit is an extra apn setting that is the hotspot connection. Get rid of that sucker, might have something. Gonna make me mad real quick
Anyway... none of that worked and in the end I gave up and just changed to the "Do More" plan. It's $70 but at least it let's me tether. Verizon wins... Thx guys.
armyturtle said:
Anyway... none of that worked and in the end I gave up and just changed to the "Do More" plan. It's $70 but at least it let's me tether. Verizon wins... Thx guys.
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I got mine working. I don't pay for actual internet because of unlimited data. What was the issue with yours? It wouldn't turn on or it wouldn't transmit data once turned on? We can fix won't turn on in seconds with magisk and then hidepropsconfigs module. Install it and use a terminal emulator to add the line "net.tethering.no provisioning=true" to your build prop and it will unlock it.
If its APN related we can fix that too. Just need to mount your system folder and delete all apns, then input your own specified APN with dun added to the type.
No f***** way are they gonna make me pay to use my device as designed