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is it gay T&T, or htc, or is it windows mobile, or is it the qualcomm chipset???

let me start of by saying that thanks to everyone that has left, inquired about or done something on this site to help others in customizing their phones beyond what is normally acceptable. and to the women of the men that have to deal with the guys tinkering around with their phones all day and ignoring you. lol. that being said, i have a few questions that i think after searching this website for almost a year i dont think anyone has targetted. as the title states, what do you think it is. is it possible for 3g devices just to not hold a connection to a tower, even with 3g turned off? i drop calls constantly and i dont mean a dropped call, i mean my phone just looses connection with the tower. 3rd fuze, so many different roms lata, still the same thing. now let me also inform you that i live in a part of town where there really is no coverage inside my house and i accept that fact. but even when i'm sitting outside my house, my phone will go from 2 bars to zero and the bluetooth in my ear keeps beeping till the stupid phone finds the stupid network. now talk about frustration. i have tried an Iphone, i have tried blackberries, i have tried symbian, basically i have tried anything that gay t&t can throw at me in terms of hardware and mind you these handsets are not cheap, i have the same issue in the same spots. i also live in one of the biggest markets in N America for wireless service and using the official coverage viewer, i am currently in a "great" 3g area. this area being the wonderful metroplex of dfw. now after doing some research and lots n lots of playing around with windows phones (going on 5 years) and finding out the downfalls of windows mobile, i am completely willing to accept those downfalls and still wanna use it on a day to day basis. hands down there isn't another OS as open to doing what you want, having the information you want in a efficient way. call me a fanboy but windows still has a hand up in the game even though it still looks like crap and the big 800 pound gorilla that is MS isn't willing to conform to anyone else's standard and make their OS look pretty. its about functionality and to the smart user thats where its at. i have also read a lot on qualcomm and this issue of drivers and performance and how devices that are almost pre historic are running better emulators, videos and the such without any luck on getting performance on the device. okay now that i have written a novel and most of you will be asleep by the time you read this, i need some honest opinions. really what i'm trying to do is figure out where to point the finger. or maybe by having enough ppl ***** about the same problem we might have someone look into better technology that is not only practical but is also reliable. not just one of the two.
thanks to all that got this far. lol
frustrated.
b.t.w i work in wireless so plz dont respond back with your an idiot blah blah blah, i deal with enough customers that are like that on a daily basis.

I am sure what you say is interesting, but franky I try to read your post and lost it after three lines. TBH, the first thought I had when seeing your post was to close the firefox tab ...
If you add some return to line to your post, it would really help.
And I don't mean to be rude, I just want to help you get more people to read ...

thanks for moving

I am not sure what you are asking...or telling?

yasserwaqas said:
is it possible for 3g devices just to not hold a connection to a tower, even with 3g turned off?
i drop calls constantly and i dont mean a dropped call, i mean my phone just looses connection with the tower.
3rd fuze, so many different roms lata, still the same thing.
now let me also inform you that i live in a part of town where there really is no coverage inside my house and i accept that fact. but even when i'm sitting outside my house, my phone will go from 2 bars to zero and the bluetooth in my ear keeps beeping till the stupid phone finds the stupid network. now talk about frustration.
i have tried an Iphone, i have tried blackberries, i have tried symbian, basically i have tried anything that gay t&t can throw at me in terms of hardware and mind you these handsets are not cheap, i have the same issue in the same spots.
i also live in one of the biggest markets in N America for wireless service and using the official coverage viewer, i am currently in a "great" 3g area. this area being the wonderful metroplex of dfw.
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I have split out the key points so this is a bit easier to read,
my first thought was to say its either a hardware fault or you need to upgrade your radio, however I then saw this part of your post....
i have tried an Iphone, i have tried blackberries, i have tried symbian, basically i have tried anything that gay t&t can throw at me in terms of hardware and mind you these handsets are not cheap, i have the same issue in the same spots.
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surely if your getting the same issue on completely different devices then it is a network issue in your area?
it maybe worth a look at getting a pay as you go sim from another network and trying that to see if you get the same issue.
Ril

I have similar AT&Tcoverage issues in my house, but when I have a strong signal, the phone works fine. No dropped calls or lost connections.
If you like the TouchPro, you may want to try Verizon. You can sign-up and have 30 days to cancel if the coverage is not good. One difference between AT&T & Verizon is that AT&T will support simultaneous voice and data connections where Verizon will not. This is why I chose AT&T, but my coverage is so spotty in Charlotte, I wish I had gone with Verizon. The simultaneous feature seemed important, but in practice, I am not sure I have ever needed it.
The only other challenge with Verizon is that you have to use their phone. You cannot get your own and drop in a SIM card. This limits your ability to waste time and money chasing the latest and greatest hardware which is kind of a bummer.
Good Luck.
Doug M.

lets do this.....
Why dont you...
b.t.w i work in wireless so plz dont respond back with your an idiot blah blah blah, i deal with enough customers that are like that on a daily basis.
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Well if you are a super-knowledge about wireles why you didnt found the answer yet...?
Maybe you can test this... dissassembly your oldest device... phone or whatever symbian, iphone whatever!!! every device gots the anthenna like a green ribbon inside the phone housing, if the phone's MotherBoard has a contact conector try to unplug the ribbon from the housing then connect it and see where does the phone gets the signal strenght enough as you wish, see all around maybe there is a big metal structure or big building and far repetition anthenas or behind.
As you must know
b.t.w i work in wireless so plz dont respond back with your an idiot blah blah blah, i deal with enough customers that are like that on a daily basis.
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In some parts of the country has great signal or bad signal streght because of many natural things, like magnetism, surface, and weather.
Ask to your neightbor if he gets the same issue on his phone... dude... get out of there if the device lost completly the signal.

dwmackay said:
One difference between AT&T & Verizon is that AT&T will support simultaneous voice and data connections where Verizon will not.
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Actually I'm pretty sure Verizon will also support simultaneous voice and data connections. I also regrett picking at&t because coverage is so much better where I live (charlotte as well) but then I think about how verizon tends to cripple their phones and the whole locked to cdma carriers thing. For example when the vz touch pro first came out, the gps was locked to only their gps software so no tom tom or google maps and they also cut the ram down to 192.

I think its just your area

sorry bout the post in the wrong place n thank you for moving it. for you that couldn't understand what this post was about, this was really an attempt to c if anyone else is having these problems. are they due to technology limitations or am i just expecting too much.
i will address the replies one by one, atleast the ones that had somethign useful to say.
r4st4m4n'--- If you add some return to line to your post, it would really help.
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(wut does that mean)???
blackc5 ---i am not sure what you are asking...or telling?
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hahaha....read my friend read.
Ril --- surely if your getting the same issue on completely different devices then it is a network issue in your area? it maybe worth a look at getting a pay as you go sim from another network and trying that to see if you get the same issue.---
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thank u for splitting up my points. this is probably why my english grades were never betta than a C. as far as ur point on network issues. definately a good possiblity although at&t techs have been in the area to test connections and coverage with no luck.
we use a code with agent plans that gives the "network support team" a msg saying there is an issue with a specific tower. waiting on getting this code and sending them a bunch of "*#" requests. lol.
dwmackay ---If you like the TouchPro, you may want to try Verizon. You can sign-up and have 30 days to cancel if the coverage is not good
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i wouldn't consider verizon cuz of the cdma thing. i know i know, call me picky but i do travel internationally (not that much) but still. and there is no way i wanna pay roaming charges to fill the pockets of some big wig.
+ Que PPC --- Well if you are a super-knowledge about wireless why you didnt found the answer yet...?
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i wasn't the one i said i was "super-knowledge" about wireless, you did. All i was stating was that i "work" in wireless. not sure how that makes me a wireless genius but okay. i like someone tooting my horn. haha. and disconnecting and connecting my antenna cables is a little too much for a casual user to mess with. do you think i can tell that to a customer that i just sold a fuze too. they would laugh in my face. but on ur request i will try this process just to c if i'm wrong.
DrzNight --- about voice n data
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i think its a 3g thing. voice and data simultaneously, have tried to do it on other gsm phones that were edge and wouldnt' allow.
dnieman13---I think its just YOU...
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haha. n finally i think ur rite. it prolly is me.

Mmmm maybe....
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+ Que PPC --- Well if you are a super-knowledge about wireless why you didnt found the answer yet...?
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i wasn't the one i said i was "super-knowledge" about wireless, you did. All i was stating was that i "work" in wireless. not sure how that makes me a wireless genius but okay. i like someone tooting my horn. haha. and disconnecting and connecting my antenna cables is a little too much for a casual user to mess with. do you think i can tell that to a customer that i just sold a fuze too. they would laugh in my face. but on ur request i will try this process just to c if i'm wrong.
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So as you work in wireless, the meaning of "i think its yours" is like this...
b.t.w i work in wireless so plz dont respond back with your an idiot blah blah blah, i deal with enough customers that are like that on a daily basis.
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Stay cool dude if you ask for something read too... in just tellin you that you may live in an area with issues on signal... agian... ask to your neighbor maybe he gots the signal strenght low.
Oh yeap, I just laugh on faces when the question is wrong applied and sounds so bad, bad enough to think that person is a jerk, but if you ask correctly your answer always comes clearly.
keep it up dude!

okay let me respond to that ppc.
i'm sorry if i came across as rude. wasn't my intent, i was just telling you what you had said.
and yes i have tried having three different carriers,(at&t, t-mobile n verizon) numerous different phones and in and around my house i'm just getting horrible service. matter of fact, the only i have not tried is sprint, and again due to the limitations of that network i just rather not go there. i can't just up and move out of my house and having cell phone coverage is HIGHLY important. guess i'll just have to wait on the femto cells at&t is promising before the end of the year...

Google adds free turn-by-turn navigation, car dock UI to Android 2.0

Worth noting this one, not really out for the dream yet, more of something to look forward to.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/google-adds-free-turn-by-turn-navigation-car-dock-ui-to-android/

Cute, but unfortunately, it required a data plan -- at least for rerouting (if you stay on route, it uses cache), which is the most important use-case for GPS nav.

Official post by Google including pictures and videos: http://www.google.com/mobile/navigation/index.html#p=default

lbcoder said:
Cute, but unfortunately, it required a data plan
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If you don't have a dataplan (or some other way to give your phone internet connectivity) there's no way Google Navigation will be able to perform voice search, street view, real-time traffic, or anything else that differentiates this from a standard nav device or nav software.

aad4321 said:
if you dont have a data plan on your android phone, go sit in the corner of the room and cry, because you are an idiot.
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lamo
and +1

im just waiting to read about how our wonderful dream wont be able to run 2.0
once again, F*** verizon and the horse they rode in on. Tmo shoulda done everything possible to get the moto droid.

aad4321 said:
if you dont have a data plan on your android phone, go sit in the corner of the room and cry, because you are an idiot.
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lol words right out of my mouth..

aad4321 said:
if you dont have a data plan on your android phone, go sit in the corner of the room and cry, because you are an idiot.
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Exactly i was just trying to be good and keep my mouth shut

While I agree that its pretty pointless to have a G1 without a dataplan, I will say that TMO's network is not equal in all areas. I can barely get edge where I am so while this will be great for those fortunate enough to stay in 3g, people without 3g or travel frequently to non 3g areas may need an offline solution.

So whats a guy gotta do to get this navigation on his g1? i have no patience!! we need this app!!
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I use CoPilot and I've been happy since day1. Everything happens/is stored locally so its great for those with limited/no data coverage. I did notice that it refuses to find Burger King though. Haven't tried McDonald's though....

after seeing tomtom and garmins stocks take a tumble i cant shake the evil feeling that crept down my spine. its cool that googs is giving us these cool things but competition is good for consumers to have.

xavier6303 said:
While I agree that its pretty pointless to have a G1 without a dataplan, I will say that TMO's network is not equal in all areas. I can barely get edge where I am so while this will be great for those fortunate enough to stay in 3g, people without 3g or travel frequently to non 3g areas may need an offline solution.
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Well being that your location is Lancaster, PA, there's no wonder why you barely get edge signal. That's damn Amish country..u know them people don't have running water, much less cell phones. I used to live in Allentown, PA and my uncle lives in Lancaster. I used to hate them trips to Lancaster. Move into civilization then maybe you can enjoy the wonders of 3G!

xavier6303 said:
I use CoPilot and I've been happy since day1. Everything happens/is stored locally so its great for those with limited/no data coverage. I did notice that it refuses to find Burger King though. Haven't tried McDonald's though....
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Ditto here....use and was happy with CoPilot, however, have said on here and other forums that Google simply needed to man-up and take that last step to provide realtime navigation and they'd put everyone else out of the market.
Looks like that just happened.
However, I will be keeping CoPilot as I do often travel into areas with *zero* coverage. Driving between north Edwards AFB, CA and Las Vegas at night is a bit hair raising. No signals out there, much less even EDGE.

Paging Dr B said:
after seeing tomtom and garmins stocks take a tumble i cant shake the evil feeling that crept down my spine. its cool that googs is giving us these cool things but competition is good for consumers to have.
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Or you could say that their stocks were overvalued to begin with? This is competition at its finest, if you ask me.

They are playng some shady games with them stocks if you ask me.
It's kinda pointless having a navigation that requires data connection, I mean - it's GPS - you might want to go offroad and loose 2G/3g or whatever GSM signal. You'd also consider to go abroad not paying attention you are roaming (you know, being an average user) and when you come back - SNAP - a 10000$ bill... Oh, and I don't have a data plan, I'm crying in the corner.
The presentation video was amazing and really got me wow-ed. However, if you are somewhere in the woods, without data coverage, you might wanna shake the dust off that old NUVI you are keeping, just in case...

julez456 said:
Well being that your location is Lancaster, PA, there's no wonder why you barely get edge signal. That's damn Amish country..u know them people don't have running water, much less cell phones. I used to live in Allentown, PA and my uncle lives in Lancaster. I used to hate them trips to Lancaster. Move into civilization then maybe you can enjoy the wonders of 3G!
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Well, I just moved to Lancaster in July. Before that, I lived in Atlanta and was enjoying great 3g speeds. My wife is from this area so...we are here now.
aad4321 said:
yeah, i have that...but i mean come on...its google....ITS GOOGLE! im sure its going to be amazing.
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True True and native and free (relatively speaking) is always better
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they have 3G in lancaster now lol...
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I saw that they have Lancaster listed as a 3g area on their coverage map but I still have yet to find it...the ever elusive 3g! I get pretty good edge when Im out and about though so Im not really complaining. I would just love to have 3g while Im in bed for those... "I wonder..." moments.

xavier6303 said:
Well, I just moved to Lancaster in July. Before that, I lived in Atlanta and was enjoying great 3g speeds. My wife is from this area so...we are here now.
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Sorry to hear that..don't run into any horse-drawn carriages out there..lol

xavier6303 said:
While I agree that its pretty pointless to have a G1 without a dataplan, I will say that TMO's network is not equal in all areas. I can barely get edge where I am so while this will be great for those fortunate enough to stay in 3g, people without 3g or travel frequently to non 3g areas may need an offline solution.
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TeleNav does just fine on GPRS. With the map caching, I don't see where TMO's network would make navigation in Google Maps an issue. As long as you're not using satellite view, or zoomed waayy out, I doubt it'll be much different (bandwidth-wise) from TeleNav.

axlastro said:
They are playng some shady games with them stocks if you ask me.
It's kinda pointless having a navigation that requires data connection, I mean - it's GPS - you might want to go offroad and loose 2G/3g or whatever GSM signal. You'd also consider to go abroad not paying attention you are roaming (you know, being an average user) and when you come back - SNAP - a 10000$ bill... Oh, and I don't have a data plan, I'm crying in the corner.
The presentation video was amazing and really got me wow-ed. However, if you are somewhere in the woods, without data coverage, you might wanna shake the dust off that old NUVI you are keeping, just in case...
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Hehe, well, to be fair, turn-by-turn navigation as a whole is pretty useless for any area without roads or places to go. We still have our compasses, though...

I'm surprised people aren't making a bigger deal out of this. I'm extremely excited. Not only is this a free, seemingly top-quality GPS app, but it's tied into the phone quite nicely, and it's way more innovative than anything Garmin or TomTom have put out, ever.

Only getting -105 to -111 dBms -- PROBLEM?

I live in "moderate coverage" area(confirmed by 3 separate ATT reps). I got myself the Captivate the wife got the iphone4. In my house, the iphone gets 1 bar and in our home no bars. Obviously no way measure iphone signal in dBm's(good job apple. It is really a walled garden isn't it).
On captivate, i keep oscillating between -105 to -115dBm and from 4 asu to 1 asu. I really really love the captivate and I was looking forward to a decent Android GSM phone since I travel to Europe/Asia a lot. But the signal is really bugging me. A few times, I couldn't hear the other side properly(the iphone was much worse in such cases). I have till Thursday to decide whether I was to keep the phones or return it. I am very weary about committing another 2 years to death-star is this is going to be an issue.
Can people please advise if this is really a problem OR just ignore this and live with this. I really love android but need a GSM/World phone due to my travels.
Please put me out of my misery. I can't make up my mind

Buy an AT&T Microcell if they are offered in your area. That is probably the only thing you are going to he.able to do about the coverage situation.
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Complain enough about you're area coverage .it will either get you out of your contact, or a free microcell.
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i complained a lot to 3 different supervisors and they wouldn't offer a free microcell. Would give $70 credit, but did not realize that if I buy the microcell, it add $20 monthly fee. I am not sure if the last supervisor was bullsh****** me, cause the store rep didn't mention the $20 monthly fee.
I was out of contract when I upgrades, so if I return I will go back to no-contract.

i suspect it's reading falsely low or weak - i've got a vibrant and it generally reads the same, where my earlier MT3G would show -63 to -87
but mine doesn't drop calls and pulls 3G and sometimes even pulls down HSDPA
depending on traffic on the web, while showing -111 dBm, mine will test at speedtest.net showing as high as 5.4 Mbps download,
it generally shows 1.6 to 2.6 Mbps but again, all those test results were while showing -105 to -111, same as yours
the Mt3G, while it showed higher signal strength in same spot, never got above 1 Mbps download speed, which is why i'm thinking the signal strength is reading falsely low
if you're not dropping calls and pulling down at least 1 Mbps download speed, i wouldn't worry about it
but in case it helps

I bought 2 at the same time (one for me and then one for the wife). Her's was having the same issue. We have a MicroCell and I get 5 bars and like -85 dBm while her's was showing one bar and -100. Bad antenna. Return it for a functioning one.

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i complained a lot to 3 different supervisors and they wouldn't offer a free microcell. Would give $70 credit, but did not realize that if I buy the microcell, it add $20 monthly fee. I am not sure if the last supervisor was bullsh****** me, cause the store rep didn't mention the $20 monthly fee.
I was out of contract when I upgrades, so if I return I will go back to no-contract.
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I could be wrong, but, I was under the impression the $20 monthly fee is only if you use the microcell in conjunction with your home internet to get unlimited (doesn't go against your rollover minutes) calling from your cell number. Thats how you get the MC free, otherwise it's $150.

After trying another 2 reps, I actually found someone who actually figured that my 3g reception is really really weak and shipped me a microcell give me the credit of the full amount. Finally got lucky. Anxiously waiting for it to try out the signals. I will post my findings here. Need to buy a homeplug adapter so I can keep this by the window. I really hope those works out as I really like phone
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I got the microcell working after some intial hickups. Its been about a week that i have been using the microcell and its working good for me. I get four bars in most of my house which is so much better than no bars. The call quality is much better and all calls are very clear. The iphone and captivate both hold the calls much better now. I am glad this resolved my basic calls issue and i get to enjoy this excellent phone.
Thank you all fpr ur help.
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What does the service has to do with the phone? I'm confuse. I'm getting the same signal strength I was getting with the iDon't in my home. I don't think it's the phone just the service.
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I noticed this problem the moment after buying mine. At the store once they powered mine up i walked to the floor model and my signal was 20dbm less than the other. Now in my apartment i get no signal what so ever when my BB would get some. Debating on exchanging mine for another after reading that broken antenna comment
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My first captivate had a bad antenna and got no signal at all, anywhere, even in front of a microcell at their store it got 0 bars. So return or exchange it. Some of them have bad antennas.

Very good to know, I'll be exchanging mine on Monday
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Does anyone have data on what good signal numbers i should see? Should I see positive DBm? If so, what? Positive 90? Or is Negative 50 OK?
I can't seem to find good reference material, but I don know when i leave my basement my signal goes from Negative 107 to Negative 95.
Thanks for any references or education.

A higher but negative signal is stronger, with -50dbm being extremely strong, -90dbm usually supporting weak data, voice being acceptable to -95dbm and anything lower than that is considered an unusable signal for most mobiles
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What is the best signal strength you gotten.? I think mine is -91 it doesn't seem that good. How about you guys? Oh i am in Houston.
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I've personally have seen my phone hit -50dbm which I believe is the highest this receiver will read. However this is very sporadic and rare. On average it is in the 90s which is unacceptable. Even beside my girlfriends BB my signal is always 30dbm lower than hers. Keep in mind dbm is a logarithmically scaled unit so 30dbm means my signal is roughly 10 TIMES lower than hers. 3dbm is twice the power
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When do you measure your signal levels?
I got same weak signal during cell standby (no phone call, no data traffic).
However!
After initiating data transfer/call signal increases significantly. I'm getting -60-80dbm.
This means radio is saving battery juice when not extensively used, which should be considered positive.

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When do you measure your signal levels?
I got same weak signal during cell standby (no phone call, no data traffic).
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After initiating data transfer/call signal increases significantly. I'm getting -60-80dbm.
This means radio is saving battery juice when not extensively used, which should be considered positive.
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I've noticed this too, at idle if I have one "bar" and I initiate a phone call the bars will increase to 2-3. However, there are times where I am on the fringe of no signal whatsoever to even initiate a call or to use data because the signal received is so low. Also, when my captivate reports 2-4 bars its usually still at -90dbm. I just did a test by calling someone and watching my bars, although the bars went up, while the conversation was still engaged I was only getting below -90dbm. I'm about to head to the store to check out a replacement

Just traded phones, this one seems to have the same issues... I'm curious if the build date has anything to do with this. My first Captivate was on 7/27/10, this was printed on the battery at least. The AT&T rep gave me just a new phone while using my same battery, how can I check the build date of the phone with the serial number? I've seen mention of this somewhere on these forums about a link at Samsung that will tell me
Edit: Figured it out, it's under the Samsung product registration, when you enter your IMEI it tells you the manufacturer date. This one is also 7/27/10... I wonder if it's a common problem with older phones. Can you guys having this problem verify your manufacturing date?

The two things the One needs

1) a microsd slot, because what happens if your phone craps? BOOM everything lost right there. Its happened to my sisters iphone. "Blahblahblah just back it up everyday blablahblah" be realistic bro. BUT!!!! The fact that its otg capable is a good thing because that means we can use usb sticks right? Idk, I'm coming from the samsung epic 4g
2) A CHIN!! I can't be the only one who thinks this phone should've been the return of the chin? It looks so sexy, like an upgraded hero, a chin would've made it even sexier imo!
What do y'all think about the chin?
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If you're rooted you can send your backups to pc
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You can setup your phone to backup automatically to the cloud using Dropbox
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1.) Yeah... We get it... 2.) No.
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Move on with your life and move into the damn cloud people.
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Move on with your life and move into the damn cloud people.
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Only rain clouds here in Florida on Sprint... Patiently waiting for sprint to fix it so I can use the cloud properly.
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My one backs up to the cloud every day when I plug it in just fine.
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I think the HTC backup program is beautiful. I've used it between ROMs with no problem at all. Pretty much negates my need for an SD card.
II will say they need more accessories though. Am I the only one who uses desktop docks anymore?

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Only rain clouds here in Florida on Sprint... Patiently waiting for sprint to fix it so I can use the cloud properly.
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Hey Brian, just as an FYI, I called Sprint yesterday to complain about the lack of anything in Central Florida, and two things came up. First, I received a $15.00 credit, and second, they're saying that (this is obvious) they're working on LTE in the area. Taken with a grain of salt, they said they're anticipating a release this summer for LTE in our area. Fingers crossed.

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Hey Brian, just as an FYI, I called Sprint yesterday to complain about the lack of anything in Central Florida, and two things came up. First, I received a $15.00 credit, and second, they're saying that (this is obvious) they're working on LTE in the area. Taken with a grain of salt, they said they're anticipating a release this summer for LTE in our area. Fingers crossed.
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I'm just taking it in stride man..Im up and down about it and get close to leaving now and again but thinking about what the network is going to become keeps me from doing anything stupid...I don't even really care about LTE anymore,I just need a decent connection with decent speeds consistently(1.5-2.0Mb/sec)..Sad that in order to keep this HTC One from freaking out with all the driving I do I had to leave it set on CDMA Only so it doesn't try to connect to to weak 4G Signal areas(switching from 3G to 4G and back to 3G is so slow on this phone)
I had a chat with Sprint a few days/maybe a week ago..And they said the issues i'm having are because of the tower being worked on 4th street behind AOK Tires..Well that's BS because I drive by that tower every day heading out to the office and it has NOT been touched.Old legacy cabinets still in place/no workers/no panels and s4Gru also shows no work being done on any towers currently in Apopka.

krazyflipj said:
You can setup your phone to backup automatically to the cloud using Dropbox
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Yup... I have had to restore my one multiple times... Even restores the way your desktop was laid out.
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Only rain clouds here in Florida on Sprint... Patiently waiting for sprint to fix it so I can use the cloud properly.
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In Florida on Sprint... what is the problem?

numus said:
In Florida on Sprint... what is the problem?
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What isn't the problem? I drive 28 miles each way to and from work a day and consistently get .3 to .5mbps speeds.
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BrianBaker said:
I'm just taking it in stride man..Im up and down about it and get close to leaving now and again but thinking about what the network is going to become keeps me from doing anything stupid...I don't even really care about LTE anymore,I just need a decent connection with decent speeds consistently(1.5-2.0Mb/sec)..Sad that in order to keep this HTC One from freaking out with all the driving I do I had to leave it set on CDMA Only so it doesn't try to connect to to weak 4G Signal areas(switching from 3G to 4G and back to 3G is so slow on this phone)
I had a chat with Sprint a few days/maybe a week ago..And they said the issues i'm having are because of the tower being worked on 4th street behind AOK Tires..Well that's BS because I drive by that tower every day heading out to the office and it has NOT been touched.Old legacy cabinets still in place/no workers/no panels and s4Gru also shows no work being done on any towers currently in Apopka.
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I hear what you're saying. They told me there is work being done on the towers out off Sandpiper and that could be reason I'm having problems, but I'm all the way over by Home Depot and Lowe's. I can sit in my house on Lake Anne and get an LTE signal, but it bounces in and out. So, pointless pretty much. They had no response for when I'm at my office in South Orlando.

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What isn't the problem? I drive 28 miles each way to and from work a day and consistently get .3 to .5mbps speeds.
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http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Florida-Lawmakers-Pass-Texting-While-Driving-Ban-205859031.html You wont have to worry about your wireless speeds on the road anymore.
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I hear what you're saying. They told me there is work being done on the towers out off Sandpiper and that could be reason I'm having problems, but I'm all the way over by Home Depot and Lowe's. I can sit in my house on Lake Anne and get an LTE signal, but it bounces in and out. So, pointless pretty much. They had no response for when I'm at my office in South Orlando.
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There is no offical LTE in Orlando and that they are doing full network upgrades... This requires them to screw with the towers for some time.
As for the comment about "I don't see any tower work"... Most of the tower work is done at the base. The only tower upgrade is when they install Network Vision (replace the copper up to the cell with fiber and replace the base modules). So even when they are doing a network vision, the only "visible" upgrade is when they are replacing the copper. http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19
Just be happy you can get LTE anywhere in an unofficial market... I am in Tallahassee and we still barely have 3g eventho we are on the LTE rollout list.

numus said:
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Florida-Lawmakers-Pass-Texting-While-Driving-Ban-205859031.html You wont have to worry about your wireless speeds on the road anymore.
There is no offical LTE in Orlando and that they are doing full network upgrades... This requires them to screw with the towers for some time.
As for the comment about "I don't see any tower work"... Most of the tower work is done at the base. The only tower upgrade is when they install Network Vision (replace the copper up to the cell with fiber and replace the base modules). So even when they are doing a network vision, the only "visible" upgrade is when they are replacing the copper. http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19
Just be happy you can get LTE anywhere in an unofficial market... I am in Tallahassee and we still barely have 3g eventho we are on the LTE rollout list.
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That's all fine and dandy that they're working on the upgrades now and that's why the speeds are slow. But for as long as I can remember, I've never had a good speed with Sprint. I'd hit a spot once in a while that would put me close or over 1mbps, but every other time, it's literally below .5mbps. It's ridiculous.

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That's all fine and dandy that they're working on the upgrades now and that's why the speeds are slow. But for as long as I can remember, I've never had a good speed with Sprint. I'd hit a spot once in a while that would put me close or over 1mbps, but every other time, it's literally below .5mbps. It's ridiculous.
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That is about standard for half max distance from the tower... The theoretical Rev. A high is based upon a high SNR (that was never really achievable at distance with copper).

really? before they started working on lte I always got fantastic speeds. When I got my OG Evo I pulled 2-3 mbps on 3g, and 5-20 on wimax. I really only get pissed when they are working on towers in my area, then my connection drops to .2-.5mbps, but I stay because after its done Im back to the good old 3g speeds, and 10-30 mbps on LTE. I love sprint, and most of all I love my unlimited data. I know youve heard it 1000 times, but hold on, its getting a lot better.

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really? before they started working on lte I always got fantastic speeds. When I got my OG Evo I pulled 2-3 mbps on 3g, and 5-20 on wimax. I really only get pissed when they are working on towers in my area, then my connection drops to .2-.5mbps, but I stay because after its done Im back to the good old 3g speeds, and 10-30 mbps on LTE. I love sprint, and most of all I love my unlimited data. I know youve heard it 1000 times, but hold on, its getting a lot better.
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That is max burst (not sustainable). There is a lot to it, but one of the main things is degredation of the SNR (which is why they switched from copper to fiber). Also channel interference. Most users will experience between 500 - 1000 kbit sustained speeds. You are also limited by the reverse link when submitted requests.

All I got to say is if the reason my speeds are so bad is because they are working on towers in my area. Then it's been one hell of a process upgrading 1 single tower for over 3 years.
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Sprint sent us a letter saying that my dad's phone had been sharing his connection to computers without their permission. We have been using our phones as our house internet for about 2 years, we got 4G last summer, we use the heck out of it. We have the family plan with unlimited text and data. His number hasn't tethered in a while, we have been using my brothers phone for the house internet while he's in boot camp. Why are they saying they will terminate our account because of my dad's number? The phone for the house internet has used A LOT of data, but that's the point of have UNLIMITED can they really do this? They said they will be monitoring our data usage for the next 10 days, isn't that invading privacy? Thanks

They can tell when your device is tethering. They will only monitor the amount of data being used. Not what you are viewing or downloading. They don't have the ability to actually see that. Why don't you consider home internet? Its cheaper than a hotspot or mobile broadband
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They can tell when your device is tethering. They will only monitor the amount of data being used. Not what you are viewing or downloading. They don't have the ability to actually see that. Why don't you consider home internet? Its cheaper than a hotspot or mobile broadband
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We can't get it where we live it pisses us off because it would cost us $24,000 to run it from the middle of our road to us. That's why we use the hotspot, we arent paying for the hotspot, if we did pay for the $30 fee, do you think we could use as much as we want?

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if we did pay for the $30 fee, do you think we could use as much as we want?
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I'd think you would be able to, but I'd still drop Sprint an email to make sure with them and get it in writing in case they try to give you trouble later on.

Unlimited isn't truly unlimited, it's unlimited within reason. It's in their fine print. They also say they can terminate you without further notice for using too much data per month, especially if you roam.

You need to come up with a better solution. It's because of people like you that make the network slower than hell for the rest of us. Tethering here & there I have no problems with but people that use it for home internet is just so stupid. You can get a hotspot or sat internet if you can't get a wired connection.

Seriously guys? When did this sentiment begin? People have been sneaking tethering for years and that's one thing that is a preferable benefit to sprint and these phones. Since when can they tell we tether while rooted?

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Sprint sent us a letter saying that my dad's phone had been sharing his connection to computers without their permission. We have been using our phones as our house internet for about 2 years, we got 4G last summer, we use the heck out of it. We have the family plan with unlimited text and data. His number hasn't tethered in a while, we have been using my brothers phone for the house internet while he's in boot camp. Why are they saying they will terminate our account because of my dad's number? The phone for the house internet has used A LOT of data, but that's the point of have UNLIMITED can they really do this? They said they will be monitoring our data usage for the next 10 days, isn't that invading privacy? Thanks
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Comet1966, Consider that Sprint, just like your cable, water, gas, credit card company all have the ability to "profile" you. They know who you call, for how long, what shows you watch, how much water and gas you use, and where you shop. etc.
Sprint Terms Of Service prohibits tethering unless you pay for it. They were offering 5 gb with the unlimited for life plan for authorized tethering. As others have suggested either try to work with Sprint to get a tethering plan or stop tethering if you like your Sprint service. At least they put you on notice and just didn't disconnect you.
And I know exactly what you mean, my dad's and brother's houses are in the country and from time to time I have turned on the tethering - but not as my primary internet connection for a household every month.

"I didn't pay for something and now that I am abusing it Sprint wants me to stop or pay"
First, you know tethering is an extra fee, by bypassing it Sprint could have charged you for every bit of data used. More importantly in response to your "unlimited" claim, it is unlimited data used ON YOUR PHONE. In fact Sprint doesn't even offer an unlimited tethering plan, I believe the highest they go is 5GB. It sucks you live in a crappy part of town but you need to look into an actual solution.

There is NO WAY of me finding another solution, we CANNOT get cable internet at this point in time. It would cost us $24,000 to run it to us. Now of course all the cable companys get our hopes up by saying that they have it in our area, right up until we call to get it. Google intended for the tethering to be free in the beggining, but yes its really up to the carriers. It is the only thing that we know of that is actually usable and stable. No need to start pointing fingers, I was just figuring out why. And to say "it's because of people like us that the networks are slow" is the dumbest dank thing I've heard today, 1 of the five phones that are on our plan could be downloading a torrent at 2.5MBps right next to me, and I would still get 20MBps, I believe yes they throttle us otherwise one guy would be getting 100MBps and the other would be getting 1. Bit the limits of our radio's also do that.

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There is NO WAY of me finding another solution, we CANNOT get cable internet at this point in time. It would cost us $24,000 to run it to us. Now of course all the cable companys get our hopes up by saying that they have it in our area, right up until we call to get it. Google intended for the tethering to be free in the beggining, but yes its really up to the carriers. It is the only thing that we know of that is actually usable and stable. No need to start pointing fingers, I was just figuring out why. And to say "it's because of people like us that the networks are slow" is the dumbest dank thing I've heard today, 1 of the five phones that are on our plan could be downloading a torrent at 2.5MBps right next to me, and I would still get 20MBps, I believe yes they throttle us otherwise one guy would be getting 100MBps and the other would be getting 1. Bit the limits of our radio's also do that.
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Why not just pay for a Sprint MIFI card? Believe you get 5 GB a month? Is DSL available in your area or maybe even another wireless provider (at my dad's house, they have a company that has basically WIFI that uses a special receiver attached to a small dish antenna pointed towards a tower)?
And if you are running Torrent traffic over a Sprint connection, that definitely isn't standard "smart phone" traffic along with the amount of Internet traffic, is what Sprint is looking at when it comes to "abuse".

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Why not just pay for a Sprint MIFI card? Believe you get 5 GB a month? Is DSL available in your area or maybe even another wireless provider (at my dad's house, they have a company that has basically WIFI that uses a special receiver attached to a small dish antenna pointed towards a tower)?
And if you are running Torrent traffic over a Sprint connection, that definitely isn't standard "smart phone" traffic along with the amount of Internet traffic, is what Sprint is looking at when it comes to "abuse".
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Yeah, we had something called planet connect it aimed at a tower, but it was highly unstable and their customer support sucks now.

Well your only option now is to find another solution because if you keep abusing Sprints network your account WILL be canceled. This is not something new and this is not the only thread like this. I admit I do tether but it's only to send an email or two every once in a while. You have clearly been abusing the system and now you've been put on notice. You will probably continue to do it then you will start another thread complaining that sprint canceled your service for no reason. I am not trying be be an a#$ but you've been a member of xda since 2011, you had to have seen other threads like this.
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How much data were you using a month?

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There is NO WAY of me finding another solution, we CANNOT get cable internet at this point in time. It would cost us $24,000 to run it to us. Now of course all the cable companys get our hopes up by saying that they have it in our area, right up until we call to get it. Google intended for the tethering to be free in the beggining, but yes its really up to the carriers. It is the only thing that we know of that is actually usable and stable. No need to start pointing fingers, I was just figuring out why. And to say "it's because of people like us that the networks are slow" is the dumbest dank thing I've heard today, 1 of the five phones that are on our plan could be downloading a torrent at 2.5MBps right next to me, and I would still get 20MBps, I believe yes they throttle us otherwise one guy would be getting 100MBps and the other would be getting 1. Bit the limits of our radio's also do that.
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NO WAY at all huh. You can get a mifi card using the same network connection. You shouldn't be torrenting over hacked tether. I hope they cancel your account and they should. The bottom line it does affect other users & the network. Sprint's 3G is painful enough as it is, borderline useless in some areas. Stop being cheap and get a mifi card. If you actually paid for a capped connection, you would be a lot more careful with what you were using bandwidth for.

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Yeah, we had something called planet connect it aimed at a tower, but it was highly unstable and their customer support sucks now.
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Have you tried these guys
ABG Wireless, LLC
Beasley Wireless Internet
Ken-Tenn Wireless
They are all WISPs in TN

tws101 said:
Have you tried these guys
ABG Wireless, LLC
Beasley Wireless Internet
Ken-Tenn Wireless
They are all WISPs in TN
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I've never heard of them, but I will mention them to my father. Thanks

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NO WAY at all huh. You can get a mifi card using the same network connection. You shouldn't be torrenting over hacked tether. I hope they cancel your account and they should. The bottom line it does affect other users & the network. Sprint's 3G is painful enough as it is, borderline useless in some areas. Stop being cheap and get a mifi card. If you actually paid for a capped connection, you would be a lot more careful with what you were using bandwidth for.
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Have you seen the price of a mifi card plan, its insane. My dad called them today to try and figure out why, and the lady could not tell him she just kept saying we violated the terms of service, he asked which terms we violated, she said "I don't know".... Yeah Sprint " ranked #1 in customer service" BS they can't tell us anything, that's 2 people from there giving out useless information. If there was another company in our area that actually had reasonable prices for 5 phones, we would let them drop us in a heartbeat. Thanks for your information though, no reason to be an ass though.

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How much data were you using a month?
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Too much, I guess we hadn't had internet that was more than 100kbps in well, ever so we NON-STOP used it, from playing games to watching Netflix.

Comet1966 said:
Have you seen the price of a mifi card plan, its insane. My dad called them today to try and figure out why, and the lady could not tell him she just kept saying we violated the terms of service, he asked which terms we violated, she said "I don't know".... Yeah Sprint " ranked #1 in customer service" BS they can't tell us anything, that's 2 people from there giving out useless information. If there was another company in our area that actually had reasonable prices for 5 phones, we would let them drop us in a heartbeat. Thanks for your information though, no reason to be an ass though.
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READ THROUGH YOUR CONTRACT. There are provisions regarding the use of tethering. Its not the CSR's job to know what you and a million other people signed, It is yours. Sprint does not offer unlimited tethering. It is a separate charge and even then it has a maximum limit. It has always been that way, don't forget tethering existed well before Android ever did. This isn't even an argument, no matter what way you twist this you're wrong.