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Kaiser too bad for my usage of it ...

Hello,
I wrote many posts about my disapointment on the Kaiser performances, but this one will surely be the last one, I'm gonna sell my Kaiser.
At first, I thought I had to just get used to it, but after about 20 days of use, I definitly just CANNOT get use to it !
It may be a good device for phone, email, GPS, all kind of serious work; but about the entertainment, it is a bad device from my point of view :
- it can't play VGA videos with a good frame rate : we all know the driver "not existing" problem. But when you pay the high price for this device, you also pay for the Qualcomm processor, wich in the case of the Kaiser does not give you all it should !!!
Also I noticed that displaying streaming videos from the web was slower than on my old HTC Universal (wich is one of the slower HTC machine about displaying videos because it is a VGA device with no hardware accelerator).
- games and emulators run slower than on my HTC Prophet device (wich is overclocked at 240 Mhz where my Kaiser runs at 380 Mhz !) : it's for real, I just tested again many games and emulators and the frame rate is better on the HTC Prophet.
- the pad isn't good for gaming (because of its shape) : the horizontal size of it is too big compared to the vertical size. So when you play fast action games, you need to move your finger from one side of the D-pad to the other side (on the horizontal side), you can't leave your finger on the D-pad. So you loose time when using the D-pad, I don't know if what I say is clear enough ... Also, in fast action games, when pressing the left side of the D-pad, if I press it too firmly, I can feel the screen moving a little bit, just like if I wanted to open the hardware keyboard.
The buttons around the pad are too small. Many times, when playing, I press two buttons at the same time instead of just one.
From my point of view, it is the worst Pocket PC I had to play games (I had a Casio EM505, Ipaq 1930, Dell Axim X50v, HTC Prophet ...).
To try to improve the performances, I tried many tweaks given by you guys on this forum (thanks for that), it worked for some things but only partially, unfortunatly not enough to make me think that my Kaiser has a decent speed.
I know the Kaiser is not a gaming machine, but it is hard to accept these performances problems when you know that most of the other HTC machines, with lower prices, run faster !!! It is really a shame that HTC didn't make any driver to just use the power of the Qualcomm processor, but they let us pay for it !!!
Along with these performances problems, I'm also disapointed about the overall finish quality of this device :
- the d-pad looseness : I hate to feel the buttons and the pad moving under my fingers.
- it's made of plastic, compared to my Prophet wich is made of metal, I feel the need to protect my Kaiser with a good cover, wich increase the size it takes in my pocket (where my Prophet just had no protection).
- the power on button is not in a good position : too close from the screen and not enough sticking, so many times I push the screen while pressing it, and I also need to always look at my Kaiser and search for the button to power it on or off. Someone in this forum gave a solution for that, where we put 3D paint on the button, but seriously, doing that on a device of this price, it's a shame again !
- the weight : the Kaiser is about twice heavier than my Prophet (well, it is my feeling). But it is hard to blame HTC on this because the Kaiser has so many things inside, could they do better ? I'm not sure.
- the micro-sd door make me feel like it could break very easily.
- the keyboard : all keys does not give the same feeling when pressing them, so I always have to look at the screen while typing to be sure the key I pressed is really pressed or is not pressed twice. I thought I could get use to it, but after 20 days of use, I just say "no !". I tried the keyboard of the TYTN (the old one, the TYTN 1) of one of my friend, and it is really better ! Also the space bar gives two clicks when you press it (strange feeling) where the TYTN space bar gives only one (wich is better).
- the camera : I took a few pictures, and as on many pocketpc/phone, from my point of view the quality just make me think it's a gadget again, but about that I don't really care because I just don't need it (but again, I paid for it).
Still there ? Did you read all I wrote ? How brave you are !
The only good part I like on the Kaiser is the GPS, it's working very well.
It may also be good as a phone, but I didn't use it yet so let's say it's good (everyone say so).
So I took the decision to sell it, and maybe wait for the "TYTN III"
But for the next one, I guess I'll wait more before buying it for other people to give a lot more opinions. Now I also have a 6GB micro-sd to sell (one week old !), I will lose money but that will make me feel happier !

How much do you want for thsi pile of trash?

dizzy33 said:
Still there ? Did you read all I wrote ? How brave you are !
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Sure I have and I also link to this really informative thread from the "official" threads.

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how much for the card!

I posted something similar yesterday and I have moved it here:
I went from the i-mate JASJAM (TyTN) to the TyTN II, and below are part of something I posted on another site:
New annoyances with TyTN II, issues I didn't have with the JASJAM:
1. Playing MP4 videos in PMP10; sound and video out of sync.
2. Occasional sluggishness (CPU not enough?).
3. Screen sometimes doesn't react to tapping if screen tapping sounds are enabled or if using other apps which gives sound feedback, like Bubble Breaker.
4. Poor quality Bluetooth audio for handsfree phone calls, similar to what you get with two tin cans and a string.
5. If you're right-handed and slide out the keyboard, then need to use the stylus, you have to perform some minor acrobatics to get it out from the left side. Be careful not to drop the phone!!!
6. A GPS device with a transmissive screen? HTC hopes that everyone will be using the GPS indoors? JASJAM's screen was transflective but probably because of the lack of GPS
7. Night mode in the camera can not be switched on or off manually. The camera will decide when night mode is required, and this is the case even when strong fluorescent light is available, making it impossible to use the camera hand-held indoors.
8. The camera takes all photos in portrait mode. You have to hack the registry to make it switch to landscape mode.
Of the above points, I hope the first four could be solved if HTC would ever release ROM updates.
And HTC: WTF is "USB 2.0 Full Speed"??!?! You're trying to deceive customers? Full speed (12Mbps) is USB 1.1!!! USB 2.0 gives High Speed, which is 480Mbps, which of course the TyTN II doesn't support.
To add something positive about the TyTN II:
- Keyboard is much nicer. It gives more feeling of quality than the cheap metal dome calculator keys the JASJAM had. The TyTN II's keyboard is probably the same, but they have managed to improve the "feel".
- A2DP! Using my SE DS970 headset, sound quality is very good. Not with PMP10 though. I'm using PocketMusic which gives something similar to SE's MegaBass.
- I love the case! Mocha leather feel and that ultra-soft velcro flap gives an almost naughty feeling to it
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- The 3MP camera is very good, although the 2MP in the JASJAM was also very good (with the right settings) and the increase in megapixels doesn't give the corresponding increase in photo quality. TyTN II photos are just a little better.
I could perhaps recommend the TyTN II to new users. But I would definitely not recommend upgrading from TyTN (JASJAM). Better buy a Bluetooth GPS, if this functionality is what you miss on the TyTN. If you need faster than 1.8 Mbps HSDPA, then choose another phone. Maybe the E90?

Dizzy: You have posted a well structured critical posting for you opinions of the kaiser and I can only say that I am sorry it does not work out for you.
I have the T-Mobile version of the TyTN II and I do not have the problems you have with the keys moving about (its the only version that's different) the d-pad is the same size top,bottom, left and right and for most part i have not had any problems with the rendering of divx movies on my device (I use pocket divx encoder to convert the films (films are 250mb)) as for games I have a few 3d based games like tiger woods and need for speed and they seem to play better on the kaiser than they did on the wizard even when that was overclocked with omapclock.
For the rest of the niggles you and others have mentioned, your right that we should not have to put up with them but there is not too much of a problem to work round them (software or firmware) so in time I'm sure we will fix a lot of the problems that HTC should have fixed but have not.
It might be worth leaving it a while and see what happens and perhaps buy a UK T-Mobile one later when other things are fixed?
Russ

Deathace said:
Dizzy: You have posted a well structured critical posting for you opinions of the kaiser and I can only say that I am sorry it does not work out for you.
I have the T-Mobile version of the TyTN II and I do not have the problems you have with the keys moving about (its the only version that's different) the d-pad is the same size top,bottom, left and right and for most part i have not had any problems with the rendering of divx movies on my device (I use pocket divx encoder to convert the films (films are 250mb)) as for games I have a few 3d based games like tiger woods and need for speed and they seem to play better on the kaiser than they did on the wizard even when that was overclocked with omapclock.
For the rest of the niggles you and others have mentioned, your right that we should not have to put up with them but there is not too much of a problem to work round them (software or firmware) so in time I'm sure we will fix a lot of the problems that HTC should have fixed but have not.
It might be worth leaving it a while and see what happens and perhaps buy a UK T-Mobile one later when other things are fixed?
Russ
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About the DivX file reading, yes you can read them if you encoded it with pocketdivx, you're right. Actually, you can do that with any pocketpc on the market, even with the cheapest one. But my problem is that when you look at the Qualcomm capabilities, you see that it should read VGA videos, without the need to convert them (my good old Axim X50V could do that, and it is now about 4 years old !). It would be, from my point of view, a lot more interesting if we could directly put the divx file into the Kaiser without having to convert it to some format each time. As we know, it's all the fault of HTC wich did not make the drivers to give the Qualcomm capabilities to us, but, again, we paid for it !!!!!!!
Like you said, maybe I should give more time to my Kaiser, maybe someone (of course not an HTC people) will program the drivers for us, but it's all "maybe", and if I don't want to lose much money on my Kaiser, the sooner I sell it, the better it is.
I would really like to ear someone saying "hey, a driver to use the Qualcomm capabilities will be out soon", I would then really give more time to my Kaiser, but for now the only thing we have is the petition, and I guess HTC will not listen to us. Why would they ? So many people are using it only for its professionnal use (phone/GPS/emails etc...), I think they will not listen to 2000 people (if we are !), when the device is sold to something like dozens of thousand people, and I may be far from the real count.
I would definitly prefere to keep it, but it does not fit all my needs unfortunatly.
I would like to advise future buyers of this device that it is not as perfect as we can read in the reviews. If it's for a strictly professional use, it may be OK, but for entertainment, my advise would be "buy something else !".

dizzy33 said:
As we know, it's all the fault of HTC wich did not make the drivers to give the Qualcomm capabilities to us, but, again, we paid for it !!!!!!!
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This is the main reason that my next phone will not be a HTC phone. The obviously poor quality of the Video in a "premium" product means that when I am "able" to upgrade my handset, it wont be HTC.
Phones like the LG Viewty and even the iPhone put this pile-of-crap to shame not obly for video and audio, but in the case of the Viewty for Camera quality.
I gave up on using the camera on my Kaiser/VarioIII within a week. The usability of the camera is poor (to juddery)

Menneisyys said:
Sure I have and I also link to this really informative thread from the "official" threads.
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Thanks a lot !

Hey, if you think Kaiser is bad, then have a look at Eten X800. Check-out their forum, and then you'll find out what's really bad.
Bottom line is Kaiser is very usable, whereas the X800 is not usable at all, isn't that the first thing that counts, even before looking at feature and function?

I will also sell Kaiser ... once I got a similiar replacement (probably Imate Ultimate 9502?).
I agree, for entertainment, Kaiser is the worst HTC product!

I for one like this better than the TYTN. For one thing, spring-loaded keyboard sold me to it. I hated how the TYTN keyboard gets loose after several uses. I must've replaced it 3-4 times under warranty. All of them turned out the same and when i finally dropped the phone due to mishandling caused by the looseness of the keyboard, that was it.... My only main gripe is the power button that i wished they somewhat elevated and what everyone is complaining about and that is the video driver support. But i'll give it time since it just came out less than a month or 2 ago. Then the GPS, 3mp camera are just little extras that made me want it some more.

Thanks for this initial post...
I've come to the same conclusions WITHOUT even buying the kaiser which was supposed to become my first smartphone.
In a nutshell: I'm not buying anything Qualcomm...I'd rather wait for a google phone and I think I'd feel more comfortable if it had an nvidia goforce chip in it.
See you in Q3 2008 for these new htc phones and I guess I'll just get shoes for christmas

the-uki said:
Bottom line is Kaiser is very usable, whereas the X800 is not usable at all, isn't that the first thing that counts, even before looking at feature and function?
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Agreed. But Kaiser has so more untaped potential it's really frustrating HTC/Qualcomm gimped their hardware support.
It's also very shortsighted as HTC will be using the qualcomm platform for many products to come, and the kaiser "botch", when it will reach enough exposure, will certainly dent their sales.

coincoinlapin said:
Thanks for this initial post...
I've come to the same conclusions WITHOUT even buying the kaiser which was supposed to become my first smartphone.
In a nutshell: I'm not buying anything Qualcomm...I'd rather wait for a google phone and I think I'd feel more comfortable if it had an nvidia goforce chip in it.
See you in Q3 2008 for these new htc phones and I guess I'll just get shoes for christmas
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Hehe, the irony... The first Android phone (google phone) has a Qualcomm chip in it

it plays games?

the-uki said:
Hey, if you think Kaiser is bad, then have a look at Eten X800. Check-out their forum, and then you'll find out what's really bad.
Bottom line is Kaiser is very usable, whereas the X800 is not usable at all, isn't that the first thing that counts, even before looking at feature and function?
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I'm sorry but I don't care about the fact that some other devices are worst. This does not make me like more my own device. The Kaiser problems are still there.

The main gripe with the Kaiser is speed. I hope that some day soon a clever bunny writes an Omap type app that'll overclock the Qualcomm. This, I'm sure, will make the device very usable.
If only I was the clever bunny.

sounds like you want a PSP rather than a phone

RPG0 said:
Hehe, the irony... The first Android phone (google phone) has a Qualcomm chip in it
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Do you already have specs for the first htc gphone??

Why are some Xperia owners so excited about the damn Samsung Omnia Pro?

Samsung Omnia Pro is freaking ugly. The keyboard design is worst than the X1. You don't have the D-Pad on the front-face even though you always praise the usefulness of having a D-Pad. You don't have panels.

Hi im one of those people excited about pro who own xperia ...
and well is just like an upgraded Xperia. Xperia is meant to be best smartphone with great multimedia capabilities.So the reasons are
1 3.5" display (AMOLED)
2 much better camera and video recording.
3 processor speed and video playback is also a good reason
then lets face it which are the brands who make winmo phones SE,HTC and Samsung. HTC is poor on multimedia (no 3.5mm jack, crappy camera...)
so omnia pro is the only upgrade from xperia at the moment which has everything. (Qwerty keyboard, WinMO, full multimediality, good battery, full connectivity...) then if u know another phone that has those features tell me

forgot also
4 tv out

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Hi im one of those people excited about pro who own xperia ...
and well is just like an upgraded Xperia. Xperia is meant to be best smartphone with great multimedia capabilities.So the reasons are
1 3.5" display (AMOLED)
2 much better camera and video recording.
3 processor speed and video playback is also a good reason
then lets face it which are the brands who make winmo phones SE,HTC and Samsung. HTC is poor on multimedia (no 3.5mm jack, crappy camera...)
so omnia pro is the only upgrade from xperia at the moment which has everything. (Qwerty keyboard, WinMO, full multimediality, good battery, full connectivity...) then if u know another phone that has those features tell me
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Neither does Samsung make good Multimedia phones. There are no other companies prior to this.
Only Nokia was able to get it right, but now HTC and SE are catching up.
Samsung hasn't catched up get, they are third in line.

hih interesting you and me have different ratings for the phones ... but dont forget that samsung has done some of the best camera phones on the market.
and since samsung produces mp3 players cameras laptops etc they have really the technology to create multimedia phones. also sony ericsson has very good walkmans and camera phones. I didnt like nokia because it had no touchscreen until now ...

informatico said:
Hi im one of those people excited about pro who own xperia ...
and well is just like an upgraded Xperia. Xperia is meant to be best smartphone with great multimedia capabilities.So the reasons are
1 3.5" display (AMOLED)
2 much better camera and video recording.
3 processor speed and video playback is also a good reason
then lets face it which are the brands who make winmo phones SE,HTC and Samsung. HTC is poor on multimedia (no 3.5mm jack, crappy camera...)
so omnia pro is the only upgrade from xperia at the moment which has everything. (Qwerty keyboard, WinMO, full multimediality, good battery, full connectivity...) then if u know another phone that has those features tell me
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Totally agree with this one. And from what I saw, I suppose the keyboard will be more comfortable than the X1's one(can't say for sure until I test it). The thing is, right now only Omnia Pro can be considered as a nice upgrade from X1, no other phone can come up with that. But X1 is good enough for me and I don't plan to upgrade it soon. But still if I was for an upgrade, the only real upgrade will be the Omnia Pro.

omnia pro has a lot going for it when you compare it to x1
1-flush 3.5" amoled LCD. bigger and better
2- no built quality issues and very sturdy according t early reports. samsungs are known for their high build quality and finishing. just [email protected] the origonal omnia or the i780. cant really say the same thing about SE/htc track record with the x1
3-double the CPU speed @800MHZ. so dont expect horrible performance issues like we are facing on our underclocked [email protected]
4-stock rom is better and more practicle. all WM is skinned and finger friendly. touchwiz2.0 looks a lot more usuful than the silly gimmicky panels that no one really cares about.
5-better camera with better flash
6-tv-out
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7-design: its not Ugly as you say and its certainly a lot better looking than the X2. they even manged to make it smaller and much more pocketable than the touch pro2 while beating it in almost all features
8- better keyboard (bigger easier to use buttons compared to x1 tiny&narrow ) with dpad
9-really good value for money @ 500euro(VAT included)

THE GRIZZ said:
omnia pro has a lot going for it when you compare it to x1
1-flush 3.5" amoled LCD. bigger and better
2- no built quality issues and very sturdy according t early reports
3-double the CPU speed @800MHZ. so dont expect horrible performance issues like we are facing on our underclocked [email protected]
4-stock rom is better and more practicle. all WM is skinned and finger friendly. touchwiz2.0 looks a lot more usuful than the silly gimmicky panels that no one really cares about.
5-better camera with better flash
6-tv-out
7-design: its not Ugly as you say and its certainly a lot better looking than the X2. they even manged to make it smaller and much more pocketable than the touch pro2 while beating it in almost all features
8- better keyboard (bigger easier to use buttons compared to x1) with dpad
8-really good value for money @ 500euro(VAT included)
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No one reported build quality issues when Xperia was covered by the media.
How do you know if the Omnia Pro isn't also underclocked?
How come no one ever told me that the Xperia X1 was underclocked?
How come there are no tweaks/ways to overclock/clock the Xperia X1?
[p.s. i have a larger battery I can withstand the strain of power usage]
Are there anyways? Should I change my clockspeed on the X1 since I got a superb extended 3600 battery?

Hey guys you do realize that the AMOLED screen won't mean crap except for marginally improved battery life because Win-Mo can't display more than 65k colors? And for anybody saying that 65k colors is plenty put the Xperia next to an iPhone. The iPhone doesn't even have an AMOLED but it's colors pop and the screen looks bright and vibrant compared to the washed out colors on the Xperia.
But the other upgrades are enough for an upgrade over the Xperia. The camera on the Samsung is hopefully useful. Shutter lag is awful on the X1 even when I set focus to infinite and had it on the sports setting. I also tried the Touch Pro 2 Camera app and while it did seem to work better my pictures are still less than stellar.
And the bump in processor speed is more than welcome. Hopefully it'll make WM a little less laggy.

1 gig internal storage...
this is a slight plus aswell!
Should be enough for the important programs...
Multimedia is going onto Micro-SD Card.
I'm also looking forward to that phone!

what for compare with 2008 x1 with 2009 omnia pro?
omnia pro is better performance to x1, this is truth...
if not, what for samsung released "pro" which is can't compare with x1?
x1 will out in some other day...or instead by another phone.
not only phone, also notebook and other product...
this called evolution of technologies...

THE GRIZZ said:
omnia pro has a lot going for it when you compare it to x1
1-flush 3.5" amoled LCD. bigger and better
2- no built quality issues and very sturdy according t early reports. samsungs are known for their high build quality and finishing. just [email protected] the origonal omnia or the i780. cant really say the same thing about SE/htc track record with the x1
3-double the CPU speed @800MHZ. so dont expect horrible performance issues like we are facing on our underclocked [email protected]
4-stock rom is better and more practicle. all WM is skinned and finger friendly. touchwiz2.0 looks a lot more usuful than the silly gimmicky panels that no one really cares about.
5-better camera with better flash
6-tv-out
7-design: its not Ugly as you say and its certainly a lot better looking than the X2. they even manged to make it smaller and much more pocketable than the touch pro2 while beating it in almost all features
8- better keyboard (bigger easier to use buttons compared to x1 tiny&narrow ) with dpad
9-really good value for money @ 500euro(VAT included)
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Perfectly stated by the Grizz, as always.
Is that a xenon flash?

I hadn't heard of the Omnia pro before this thread.
I can tell you that I really disliked the first Omnia - it's a gimmick girl phone like the iPhone.
This one, however -I really like! The features are looking awesome. It can indeed be seen as an upgraded version of the X1, as it has all the features, but some improved and more.
Ofcourse this is to be expected as it's never - doesn't change the fact that it's better.
I'll sure be looking out for this phone, gathering info. One thing I hate though: No XDA-dev support!

x2 baby
hey crazy k in da house omnia bag of balls x2 bro 8.1 mega pixel beat dat 6.5 windows mobile lads xperia x2 will kick assss on omnia

hi there,till now i didnt see any device that waws me :
but let s get to the facts:
1.i only upgrade to a snapdragon 22M triangle/sec or tegra device( even samsung 800 mhz is sweet with opengl 1.1 and 2 support weak graphic 4 M triangle/sec ).
2.keyboard and dpad its important for me as i dont want all the time to touch the screen.
3.what the hell is wrong with companies ,SE,HTC,Samsung WHERE is the stereo speakers (they call them multimedia device hmmmm).
4.good support (hope xda developers extend to cover more devices other then HTC)

Actually i didnt know how important the Dpad was until i got nokia n97 .... it has no dpad and is a paaaaaain not to talk about prehistorical symbian UI ....
hmmm ... xperia x1 is not that bad at the moment ... any news more about x2 ... except the fotos all the specs are unconfirmed right ???

I am not . Xperia 4 all the way !!!

THE GRIZZ said:
omnia pro has a lot going for it when you compare it to x1
1-flush 3.5" amoled LCD. bigger and better
2- no built quality issues and very sturdy according t early reports. samsungs are known for their high build quality and finishing. just [email protected] the origonal omnia or the i780. cant really say the same thing about SE/htc track record with the x1
3-double the CPU speed @800MHZ. so dont expect horrible performance issues like we are facing on our underclocked [email protected]
4-stock rom is better and more practicle. all WM is skinned and finger friendly. touchwiz2.0 looks a lot more usuful than the silly gimmicky panels that no one really cares about.
5-better camera with better flash
6-tv-out
7-design: its not Ugly as you say and its certainly a lot better looking than the X2. they even manged to make it smaller and much more pocketable than the touch pro2 while beating it in almost all features
8- better keyboard (bigger easier to use buttons compared to x1 tiny&narrow ) with dpad
9-really good value for money @ 500euro(VAT included)
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HaHa x1 totaly owned.
the low price will surly help. its even cheaper than the OmniaII (550 euro) that lacks keyboard
lets see how the omnia pro comares to the x2

No D-Pad? Pfff no thank you then. When will those people learn....

Good point about the lack of a d-pad (and the many customizable buttons), but from a specs standpoint, the Omnia Pro is otherwise better. I'd kill for a faster processor. A bigger screen and better camera would also be huge bonuses.

Which one is a better upgrade: TP1 to TP2 or X1 to X2

Ok, I just wanted to ask you: which one is a better upgrade TouchPro1 to TouchPro2 or X1 to X2? In my opinion, these two are not worhy to be called "major upgrades" but what do you think? You all know the specs I suppose.
7200A to rule them all )))
PS: A good upgrade will be for them to change the platform for lets say Snapdragon or at least Cortex A8, if we are about to throw like $600 for new SmartPhone.

Not even close TP2 is bigger update than X2. Anyone who says otherwise is a doofus

Hannigan174 said:
Not even close TP2 is bigger update than X2. Anyone who says otherwise is a doofus
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Yes?? In WHAT way?
Interesting.

lol TP2 is a joke compared to the x1 farther more the x2....only feature that is dominant is the speakerphone thingy, to me its like the compass on the iphone 3gs, partially useless
have you guys seen the silver x2 in full bloom on phonearena.com?
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im starting to like it but i still wont buy unless my x1 passes away(which i hope it doesn't)

Looks quite awesome.
No matter if somebody likes X2 or not,
I think TP2 was a minor upgrade compared to X2 which,
offers some more things than it's predecessor.

the tp2 could barely stand up to the x1 (having a bigger screen that was better than the x1). the x2 is the best of the 4 phones but maybe (in my opinion) not enough to warrant a buy (at £500+ in the uk for a sim free handset) if u already own a x1. true a tp2 is better than a tp but if u are going to buy a phone from the 4, the x2 is the best of the bunch by some distance.

I don't understand why people dislike the TP2 so much in comparison to the X1.
The only true reasons X1 is better:
3.5 mm Headphone Jack
LED Camera Flash
LED Notification
Frontal D-Pad
Looks Way Better than TP2
Optical Joystick that makes scrolling so much easier than with the stylus
The other "subjective" reasons:
Panels are better than Touch Flo 3D
Touch Flo 3D is better than Panels
Similar Traits:
CPU and RAM and ROM
Internal Battery
On the other hand TP2 has:
Bigger Screen
Louder Speakers
Better Speakers
Call Muting
Tilting Screen
Accelerometer
Keyboard and Number Row with Arrow Keys and Ctrl Functionality
FN and CAP Indicators
Zooming Bar
Anyway, if HTC combines both of the Pro's from both devices and atleast a 800 MHz CPU, I would buy it for sure.

Ok, up to me actually X2 > X1 > TP2 > TP1
But, I'll introduce a wild card that in my opinion is better than all those abovementioned: Samsung Omnia Pro. Really looking into it when it will be on the shelves.

poetryrocksalot said:
I don't understand why people dislike the TP2 so much in comparison to the X1.
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its not that i dislike the tp2 but that its almost the same phone as the x1 and was released 6 months after with very few extras and it does not look as good and has some things missing that the x1 has (3.5mm jack etc). i also dont like touchflo but thats only my opinion.
but compared to the x2, the tp2 has nothing that the x2 does not have and the x2 has lots of stuff better (3.5mm jack, 8.1mp camera).
so if you were to buy one of the 4 handsets (and did not own and of the above, maybe if u owned tp1) the x2 would be the best handset by some distance.

[email protected] said:
Ok, up to me actually X2 > X1 > TP2 > TP1
But, I'll introduce a wild card that in my opinion is better than all those abovementioned: Samsung Omnia Pro. Really looking into it when it will be on the shelves.
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im not saying the samsung omnia pro will be bad but i have never had a good samsung phone (tested about 4 different ones including the tocco ultra).

TP2 was a downgrade, so X2 is more of an upgrade to the X1, compared to TP2 and TP.
Now to the OT stuff lol:
- yeah, if someone combined the X1 and the TP2, it would the greatest phone ever.
- lol @ Omnia Pro. It is good, but not good enough to be mentioned in the same thread as these devices. Plus, I have had only bad experiences with Samsung devices previously.

What are the advantages of the X2 over the X1 that can make you buy the X2?
PROS:
1) 8MP Camera (Image Stabilizer, Face Detection)
2) .2 Inches more screen
3) Accelerometer that doesn't support auto rotate
4) Windows Mobile 6.5
5) TV Out
6) Built in XVID support
CONS:
1) Same processor as the X1 (Qualcomm MSM 7200 528MHz)
2) Same amout of RAM (256MB)
3) Still no Hardware Acceleration (no ATI Imageon Drivers..)
4) NO RADIO
5) More plastic
6) Looks less elegant than the X1

DaRkMyk said:
What are the advantages of the X2 over the X1 that can make you buy the X2?
PROS:
1) 8MP Camera (Image Stabilizer, Face Detection)
2) .2 Inches more screen
3) Accelerometer that doesn't support auto rotate
4) Windows Mobile 6.5
5) TV Out
6) Built in XVID support
CONS:
1) Same processor as the X1 (Qualcomm MSM 7200 528MHz)
2) Same amout of RAM (256MB)
3) Still no Hardware Acceleration (no ATI Imageon Drivers..)
4) NO RADIO
5) More plastic
6) Looks less elegant than the X1
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1. the accelerometer will rotate the x2 in the final version but not of the tile panel. (this probably will come with a option to turn on or off)
2. x1 has hardware acceleration on the panel manager so x2 will have it too. from what we have see so far its likely that the x2 also has the ati drivers too.
3. looks are a matter of opinion.
4. there is more plastic in the x2 but i guess this is because they dont want the signal problems that the x1 has (caused by the metal in the casing).
5. the final version may have a radio (we will have to wait and see).

DaRkMyk said:
What are the advantages of the X2 over the X1 that can make you buy the X2?
PROS:
1) 8MP Camera (Image Stabilizer, Face Detection)
2) .2 Inches more screen
3) Accelerometer that doesn't support auto rotate
4) Windows Mobile 6.5
5) TV Out
6) Built in XVID support
CONS:
1) Same processor as the X1 (Qualcomm MSM 7200 528MHz)
2) Same amout of RAM (256MB)
3) Still no Hardware Acceleration (no ATI Imageon Drivers..)
4) NO RADIO
5) More plastic
6) Looks less elegant than the X1
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Well, I can add more cons, byt let me tackle those pros lol.
1 - Anything more than 5mpx is for pro photographers only. You will not notice the difference between 5 or 8mpx. It comes down to the hardware. A good 3mpx camera can shoot better pics than a crappy 8mpx.
2 - Good. I would prefer more, but that's not the point.
3 - Gimmick. I always keep it off on every phone that I had. No use at all for it. Rotates the screen when you DON'T want it too lol. The games are a pathetic notion, because when you turn or swivel, you loose eyesight of the screen, or are forced to tilt your head haha.
4 - We will get that for the X1.
5 - Yup.
6 - I'll reserve judgement for now.
To sum it up. We get the same device with a makeover (looks uglier lmao), they take stuff out (radio) and give us two minor upgrades - 2 inches of screen (who will notice this?) and TV-out (1 out of 20 people uses it twice per year).
I'm on the verge of calling this a downgrade rofl...

Ganondolf said:
1. the accelerometer will rotate the x2 in the final version but not of the tile panel. (this probably will come with a option to turn on or off)
2. x1 has hardware acceleration on the panel manager so x2 will have it too. from what we have see so far its likely that the x2 also has the ati drivers too.
3. looks are a matter of opinion.
4. there is more plastic in the x2 but i guess this is because they dont want the signal problems that the x1 has (caused by the metal in the casing).
5. the final version may have a radio (we will have to wait and see).
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1 - A gimmick.
2 - Conjecture.
3 - I loled.
4 - C'mon, don't try to reason their cheap design .
5 - Not relevant, yet.

SE fail... again. they tried to outperform Apple's Iphone by doing minor upgrades. But they still managed to upgrade more of the hardware than Apple did, and still, Iphone 3GS is more popular because of the minimal upgrades, lol.
Well SE, i would have upgraded if you kept the same X1 formfactor and housing and just added multitouch.... or maybe snapdragon... only one innovation is needed to keep us satisfied, the more is better of course, but X2 seems... just a melting pot of a bunch of devices, wich already seems out of date....
btw, i have a tp2 right now and i love it, so moooooooore responsive then the xperia with the skiniest rom. Actually, i am using a rom with tf3d2.5 and the difference, speedwize, is remarkable. really gorgeous big screen, much greater sound quality, the speaker is also much louder and clear, much better reception, really, i can now make calls eveywhere in my house, where xperia just let me down, down, down.
i'm sorry, i just couldn't help myself bragging about the tp2right now, but it's just so much better.
right....let the flaming begin... Orelsi, you're up first...

hyellow said:
SE fail... again. they tried to outperform Apple's Iphone by doing minor upgrades. But they still managed to upgrade more of the hardware than Apple did, and still, Iphone 3GS is more popular because of the minimal upgrades, lol.
Well SE, i would have upgraded if you kept the same X1 formfactor and housing and just added multitouch.... or maybe snapdragon... only one innovation is needed to keep us satisfied, the more is better of course, but X2 seems... just a melting pot of a bunch of devices, wich already seems out of date....
btw, i have a tp2 right now and i love it, so moooooooore responsive then the xperia with the skiniest rom. Actually, i am using a rom with tf3d2.5 and the difference, speedwize, is remarkable. really gorgeous big screen, much greater sound quality, the speaker is also much louder and clear, much better reception, really, i can now make calls eveywhere in my house, where xperia just let me down, down, down.
i'm sorry, i just couldn't help myself bragging about the tp2right now, but it's just so much better.
right....let the flaming begin... Orelsi, you're up first...
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I wish you staying happy TP2 user!
No problem. My Xperia basically is great and I read many contrary opinions.

orelsi said:
1 - A gimmick.
2 - Conjecture.
3 - I loled.
4 - C'mon, don't try to reason their cheap design .
5 - Not relevant, yet.
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1. may be a gimmick but its still there and works (the guy said that it was disabled, but its not).
2. most people think the x1 is not accelerated but it is and the x2 more so.
3. i prefer the x1 too but like anything in life people have there opinions (like yours with iphones)
4 it may be a cheaper design but i would rather it be make from plastic if i have good constant signal (at the mo my x1 looses signal every time u go to text what is a piss take).
5. i suppose it depends if u really want a radio or not.
also your point about the 8mp camera is true but i have heard the sensor on the x2 is like the one on the top cybershot phone (C05 i think its called), they did not put there 12mp sensor in what is probably because its not as good as the 8mp sensor. i dont think anyone could complain about having a better camera even if u dont need it.

hyellow said:
But they still managed to upgrade more of the hardware than Apple did
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did they??????
x1 - x2 = same cpu, same ram, better camera.
3g - 3gs = doubled ram, new cortex A-8 cpu (not only running 200mhz faster but the cpu itself is in a different league) better camera.
if u dont know these simple facts its hard to take your opinion seriously.

Well I'll happy of having 8mpx camera on my device.

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A beauty behold !
It's been eight days I BOUGHT it
USED it for alot of time until now.
COLOR is Midnight Black (personally wanted this, although other colors were tempting too)
Things that necessarily require mentions:
Network Bands (4g,3g,2g)
The network strength is perfectly fine, the signal doesn't fool. It correctly takes the receptivity to the exact extent needed, you wont loose any even in remote areas. If an iphone user has a network strength like one bit in his notification bar, you too are having surely. So, here network isn't a problem with this phone.
The Weight
In today world, we could be of carrying any weights, but when it comes to the phones, the weight really matters. If it's above 180g, boy, take it in written, so much pain in hand, soo much when talking calls, soo much in holding it straight infront. Soo much in pocket too. This phone instead is only 149g, which is excellently lightweight. The utmost benefit would be for people who waited for a phone which had good specs and stands equal to others of its range aswell. For the lightweight phones preferring people, finally the wait is over
Body Built
A strong phone doesnt mean an awesome phone. A weak phone doesnt mean poor quality. Firstly, one should know there is no such thing like strong or weak in phones of major brands. It is purely specs that decide to the needs of people and make phones accordingly. This phone has Severely flaunting looks. Totally an eye catcher. The glass back is soo beautiful & makes you want to look at it rather than looking at the screen most of the time
Display Screen
The 18:9 ratio is more than you can ask for in this phone. I mean, you are getting a 428ppi screen, what more do you want expect that huge clarity and detail in this price range and phone screen This looks more crisp than the any other budget phones, i guarantee you baby, its 428ppi, you donno how good the screen gets when its 428. Most of the phones were 403ppi and looked already good enough. This is much better now.
Platform
You are not in line, like before a person or after a person. You are right next to each other, like holding hands. Which means, you are in such a thing called " Happiness comes in all sizes and quantities :victory:." Because, its HiSilicon Kirin 659 in all the phones of the honor budget class range. Which would benefit you highly in performing without causing any complexities. Games are good to play, if one knows how to tweak better, then it's kickass
Memory
4GB and 64GB, is more than enough and perfect. You wont require more for this processor and budget.
Camera
This is the core purpose of this phone. Damn, the photos are soo good, sooooo good that you will for the first time find yourself have a true "Wow" reaction on your face when you snap them. Selfies are great aswell. People mentioned alot in the comments session in major sellers websites that the nighttime shots are horrible in the rear camera. You should know one thing, you aren't carrying a DSLR or HandyCAM, its your phone. its primary utility was to communicate. You are wrong to expect it to do well in a lowlight location. Not even a DSLR with a flash can be capable of better picture quality. Even professionals use heavy lights for the good feel in a photo when movies are made. So, a phone you are expecting to do this night capable photography job is totally a myth. Think once, there is no point of expecting some heavy landscape photography over night. Even James Cameron would shoot his film in the day with soo expensive cameras. If still you arent happy then when it's night time you want to snap something, its not phone you require, that's surveillance camera you need to carry with yourself having night vision lens :laugh:
Sound
That's loud. You will be totally fine with it. Just as loud as it can fit in there. Music has clarity and crispness, bass isn't an element for music through speakers, earphones does the job well if someone needed bass.
Software
The Android 8.0 is soo well designed, it would understand your interests. Even would show you few that you wouldn't have imagined to find them in phone. There are all the modifications possibly existing in every popular custom ROM readily available in this honor phone stock ROM itself. The settings hold various toggles to change according to your liking. Below they are listed...
Huawei ID It takes care of backing up all the contacts, messages, calender and necessary stuff to the cloud provided by Huawei.
Wireless & Networks Lte, VoLTE configurations can be modified, data usage with specific networked apps is added advantage.
Apps & Notifications Apps to uninstall or disable, enable is available. Default apps, App twin & notification mods such as network meter, etc are here too.
Battery setting In this option, there is a power saving mode that can give you more than 4days standby if stuck to only few basic utilities with the phone.
Display setting Eye Comfort which can exchange color of screen to cool, warm feel. Screen resolution modification which is only in honor that enables to reduce screen density which can result in great power save.
Storage setting You get around 52GB free out of 64GB internal space. The RAM Management is nice too. There is always somehow 2.4GB RAM remaning in 4GB available though around 13apps are in the multitasking window. The software of honor does the RAM allocation very well for tasks processing.
Security & Privacy Fingerprints soo fast (0.25sec), file safe to hide files, App lock, Screen Pinning.
Smart Assistance setting Double tap to wake screen or lock screen.
System setting inside here, there are data transfer, backup & restore, reset, update, etc.
Themes These look soo beautiful and give a punchy look to the phone.
The Magazine Lockscreen This is the best part of the phone when you unlock, the pictures are soo beautiful that just by looking at them, your mind strikes at wow which really is relaxing and refreshing all the time you want them.
Navigation Buttons the onscreen buttons can be exchanged places from right to left which is way convenient for southpaw's.
Battery & Power Consumption
The moderate usage of phone can last a whole day, from 100% in the morning, you can use the phone till next day until same time u charged if you are only on 4g data usage and checking messages, attending calls, by then your battery will be around 10%. In the night, the percentage of drop in non usage is only 2% which is super less. The charging time is alot, but there's something honor's very concerned about, it takes alot of time to charge because, the module of charge input itself is designed by honor in such a way it takes charge slowly (Not to mistake as snail slow) to not spoil the battery life. Hence, this doesn't heat up phone very much. It keeps cool and does its job CooL without messing around. It takes 2hrs15min for full charge. This is same with many mobiles, almost 2hr15min is common with most mobiles.
Wifi, bluetooth, GPS, OTG are all working flawlessly too.
Frankly speaking, cost is soo low, quality we get is really good, more than pleasing for the price we pay for.
Mentions that need to be considered:
I know the camera in our phone is enough capable to get the exact software enhancements i find in HonorV10 Camera app. I clearly see honor is trying to limit these enhancements for the sake people would fall dull that they invested double the price and got exactly the same software loaded in half priced model (which is ours). Sure, many people might question this out. But, Please, middle class people require somebody to bother them. It's us who suffer the loss or gain equally and still keep calm without having no other choices rather than to convince ourselves we cant get more, nobody cares. The rich complain, they sue, you bother them. We request, we ask things soo much, we are many & loud but unheard (-_-) , you have established soo well in our country market this time, the what we have lost (beauty, power, feel ) in xiaomi phones, we found in yours. Your phones made us feel alive. I felt soo good looking at my Honor 9 Lite, it was worth all the effort you put on. I didnt even buy a Xiaomi phone for myself until date, i felt like us were being played by that company. It didnt feel good. They sold cheap stuff with good software tweaks. It was Hugo Barra who designed software, only because of this Xiaomi phones were a hit. You lagged at it alot in the past until Honor 6X. I never bought any Xiaomi device, i loved the Honor 4x, but found there were no updates. But this time you came superawesome into the market, your software is wayyy better than Xiaomi in looks and feel, all that it finally require is bug fixes, proper tweaks to utilize the whole capacity of the hardware, you do everything from scratch and created us this antique designed masterpiece phones. You should be proud. All you require is massive tweaking in the software, thats all. The processor's are superb, the screen buttersmooth, sound clear crisp and loud. Its the tweaking that's missing. I really wish honor this time you keep alot of effort in giving us customers in the country who bought your phones a huge happy smile. Ask how?? Here's how, we like gifts, gift us like 2 or 3days before festivals an OTA update that solves all the bug issues in our honor phones and then look at the news, scroll down, check the comments session. You would be very well liked. We'd then even feel honored to have had you bothering us and all together. Straight outta heart, we would be TRULY overjoyed that you did care for us this time on.
Dear Honor,
The world is a happy place for as long you, atleast hereafter consider to help us better .​​

It's the best you can get for the price with some small compromises
Let's start with not so good stuff before we get on to the great stuff!
I've got the 3GB variant and Midnight Black Color, I'm using it now for about 23 days.
Memory Management - Well the RAM/Memory management on this device is very aggressive, Here's how I was watching some dope stuff on YouTube and few Minutes in and I got a call and was talking for about 15 - 20 Mins and after the call ended, I was hoping the youtube app will be in the same state I left it! But, no The app was closed completely and I had to relaunch the app again, and also if you are running music in the background you get this stupid notification saying the app is running in the background and drains battery which can annoy anyone!
Hopefully, they will fix these in future software updates.
And (Not sure whether it's the Memory management or the app's problem), I'm running NOVA Launcher as default After 2 or 3 days, it automatically switched back to the default Launcher, well this only happened twice and after that, I didn't face this problem anymore, I thought it was worth mentioning.
Camera - Well the only thing that I felt weird was with the rear camera when I switched to Portrait mode or Wide Aperture mode It Changed the Resolution to 8MP, but the same with the front camera it was 13MP and there is no option to switch to 13MP, and maybe that's why most of the Tech YouTubers say the front cam of this device is good then the rear.
And also I wish it had EIS hopefully, in future software update we will get it!
It would really help the video quality!
Well, that's the things that annoyed me the most, now let's get to the good stuff!
Design and Build Quality - Well, you might have heard a lot about this, but the device screams Premium, They have nailed the design with this device, it's absolutely gorgeous and It's really light to hold tho, some people may like it, and people like me may want a heavy device (Personal preference).
OS and UI - Well it's really smooth didn't have any lag issues or any of such kind, it's snappy and didn't face any heating issues or so, the only thing is RAM management which I mentioned it earlier and apart from that, it's really good.
Battery and charging speed - I could easily get through a day, I have no complaints about the battery it's really good and I'm happy with it. From 20% to 100% the charging time it took was somewhere around 1hr 15 mins to 1hr 40mins, which is reasonable for a 3000mAh battery, it doesn't support fast charging but I don't think that's an issue as I can get a day's worth of battery and I have no complaints about it, But I did wish it had a Type - C port, it's fine not a big issues but it could've had a Type - C
Speaker and Headphone output - The speaker is loud and clear, there is no Distortion at full volume, there is a bit bass which you can feel and its' good but a finger can cover it and the whole sound can be lost, that's the only issue and that's the issue with all mono down facing speaker.
And for the headphone output, I don't own a premium headset, I have a cheap one and it worked fine with it, it was loud and clear.
Call and Network - Call quality was really good, No issues Tried with Jio, Vodafone and BSNL didn't face any issues, the receiver was able to hear me clear and loud and the data was also at a good speed and with 4G it didn't affect the battery much as I thought it would, Wifi Bridge is one of the really cool features and it works really good.
and Finally
Camera - Well I've already told the problem I faced apart from that I don't have any issues,
It focuses really fast and also takes photos really fast, it's super snappy! I really loved the quality of images that I got in this price segment.
The Pro Photo and Pro Video mode are really good if you know to use them well, There are several other modes The food mode is also good and Timelapse is awesome.
Well, the front cam in portrait mode does fail sometimes to recognize people's face if there are more than 2 persons in the shot, it just happens sometimes and not every time. And I wish it had a Slo-Mo Mode tho.
The images are of really good quality tho, good enough to post on Social Networking sites.
Conclusion - I think it worth the money I paid, It does have some minor issues which can be fixed via Software Update apart from that it's a really good device and I'm Lovin it.
PS - I had actually added images and since I'm a new member XDA doesn't allow new users to post links.

Not very impressed with the Honor 9 Lite.
I did online research and read lots of review on the Honor 9 Lite.
What convinced me was a comparison some reviewer did with his current daily driver, a 1+3t, and was, as he put it, 'pleasantly surprised'. Since my current daily driver is also a 1+3t I relented and bought one, the 3+32GB version.
After using the Honor 9 Lite I don't think it comes anywhere close to a 1+3t. Now I appreciate and understand that it is cheaper than my 1+3t (even at its current value) but I'm not very impressed, especially with the way EMUI 8 completely rapes Android stock ! I knew this going in but never realised to what extent EMUI restrict customisation.
Let me give examples.
1. First thing I always do with every phone i buy is disabled all apps I don't need/use. Some of the apps on the Honor 9 Lite are cooked in and without root cannot be disables, frozen or removed; e.g. Files, Huawei Mobile Service, Themes.
2. Next thing is to replace any homelauncher with my favourite 'Nova'. Well as soon as you do this on the 9Lite you get a pop-up message stating something like 'changing home launcher uses more battery'...What ? Anyway you can force it through and then just change the default home launcher to Nova. Then some of the EMUI widgets, like weather, don't work anymore. That's ok, I expected that, what I did not expect is for it to show up as available but when you try to add it to your homescreen you get a FC and Huawei launcher is back, in effect removing your default launcher you just set.
3. Huawei badges also obviously don't work under Nova; again as expected.
4. Next I fired up Chronus widget so i can get a replacement for the now non-working Huawei weather service (which at least you can disable). Chronus now does not update the alarm. So you set an alarm in clock but Chronus does not pick up the changee unless you go into chronus change something and save it. This was even after i loaded up Google clock and set alarm through that.
All the above works flawlessly in my Oreo based 1+3t.
5. Lag..yes it is a lot worse than my 1+3t, now like i said because of the price difference i did not expect the Kirin659 to be on par with the Snapdragon 821 but the lag difference was much more noticable on the Honor9 lite than i expected.
6. Since Nova was basically non functional I had to return to Huawei's own launcher.
7. No way of hiding status bar. By the way I also tried play store apps, like GMD Full Screen, but it did not work properly.
8. Battery life is one day on normal use.
9. Cameras are acceptable but no better than my single camera 1+3t.
Conclusion:
Not impresssed, it looks great, weight is spot on for me, size is also great so is the screen brightness, but everything else is nothing special and that EMUI8 man, it just restricts you from most customisation which is the reason we all love android. If i wanted restrictions i would have gone for an iphone.
Why should i have to unlock BL and root to be able to do simple things like use full immersive mode. I'd like to keep android pay functioning so don't want to unlock,root and battle with magidisk to hide root. I just want control back of my phone.
Anyway, thought i would put this together outlining my experience with the Honor 9Lite, hopefully yours will be better and find acceptable.

Well, I bought this device as my ex-device was quite old enough(I was using grand 2 as my daily driver).Next,when I was searching for new devices,I was looking for a device which is better in all aspects(camera,looks,sound,performance,signal quality) and also in a moderate price.Then I stumbled across Honor 9 Lite.It was the old phone in my budget range which was able to cater to my demands.It looks gorgeous as ever.The glass body,its colour (I got the Sapphire blue one) and its modern looks with minimal borders made me order the phone without even checking for other details(I already knew it supports 4G and fingerprint sensor) .When I got the phone,I found that it is not too heavy but is indeed slippery due to glossy back,so I applied the cover to increase friction and to prevent falling .
These are the following pros and cons of the phone I found:-
PROS
1.Camera->Both the front and back cameras are awesome and can even capture good amount of detail even in low light condition.Maybe the 4 cameras(2 in pairs does the trick)
2.Android OS->Being latest is the best.This device packs with Android Oreo which many 2017 flagships like S8(they got it but Samsung removed the OTA update) haven't recieved properly
3.Processor->I haven't heard about this processor's name earlier but was shocked by its insane frequency(greater than 2 Ghz) so I decided to do an Antutu benchmark and found that this processor's performance is comparable with Snapdragon 625.
4.Display->Display is awesome.Nothing to say about it
5.Battery->Battery life is a bit-tad low (It lasts 9 hrs for me),so I need to charge atleast once a day.No fast charging support and no USB C was a dissappointment
6.Storage and Ram management-Plenty of Ram(3 GBs) and storage(around 22 GBs),so no complaints there

Decided For the Pixel 4 - vs all the others (Samsung, Apple, and etc)

I am very excited. I really think it's a special phone, at least from a first glance. The phones that Samsung, Apple, LG, and others put out year after year are all.. carbon copies of one another. I always choose an outsider if I have the option for anything outside of the mainstream - you know, especially if everyone has it.
I had HTC m8 when Samsung ruled Android all alone. Than I opted for OnePlus when I broke my HTC.. because, why not right? Cheap, and as good as the twice as expensive ones.
Anyway!!
That was probably the main reason I decided to go with Pixel. On top of guarantee of getting new Android OS probably before anyone else, I also like the lack of a company skin, and bloatware. I mean root does take care of that but you shouldn't need to root to get rid of apps from a device that you OWN.
When I get it, hoping the order process goes without a hitch, I will write my first impressions here.
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^^ Hoping the estimate is very close to accurate.
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I didn't spend much time on the forum but from a few reviews I read.. it seems pretty mixed. Some hate it, others love it. Care to enlighten me, please?
Greatly appreciate any effort to that question..
Cheers, Amer

The sound quality will blow you away.
Phone calls are clear and crisp, no complaints, people can hear me great too.
Small but pleasant surprises:
The vibrating motor has an interesting kick to it. It's hard to ignore.. (if you've used phones set to vibrate and still missed calls you didn't notice you'd understand what I mean)
I'm coming from a P30, so battery life in comparison is certainly an issue (or at least precieved to be an issue.)
To counteract this I ordered an iotie wireless charger for the car.
Face unlock: yes we all heard its bad, cause it doesn't require "attention" to unlock.
I don't have trust issues or major security requirements. However....
When you put this in the car holder... If it catches a glimpse of your face for even a second... The screen unlocks and stays open (very annoying) also if you have the screen off and it somehow gets a glimpse of your face... Screen unlocked... Now your fingers are doing all sorts of things on the phone that you don't want to happen.
Having said that.. We all know google will patch in the "attention" feature for face unlock. I'm not happy about the delay... But I can certainly wait.
Bottom line, could it have been better... Absolutely.... Do I have any regrets? No.
I'm very happy with my purchase. And I've had it since the 26th of October. So literally 1 week.
I love having a comparable screen to iPhone, gestures, and stock android. And the camera is better than I need it to be. (yup not a pro phone cam user.. I mostly take pics of my pets or business cards or important notes..) for anything else I have a dslr.
This is highly subjective... So I hope you'll be happy with it. And if not.. That's fine... Just return or sell and go with something that makes you happy =)
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Very quickly, I am absolutely happy with my Pixel.
Face unlock, I really do think this is a storm in a tea cup. If your life leads you to worry about people sneaking in to your bedroom and presenting your phone to your face whilst you sleep... You have much more serious issue to deal with than the pixel's biometric supposed shortcomings.
More annoying is that it doesn't work with all those apps that I just got used to working with my fingerprint.
Don't understand about it opening when it catches sight of your face instantly? Mine doesn't, I have to press the power button before it activates? Probably something I've misunderstood. (Edit - I get it now actually. Soli wakes the phone up and then your face unlocks it. Doesn't seem to happen that often unintentionally though)
It does just work 100% of the time (so far at least) really, really quickly.
The battery. It is 19:05 here, the phone was charged up yesterday, I left it off the power overnight, to see how it would fare (it lost 8%) and I'm on 33%. I charged it fit approx 10 minutes in car earlier.
It could be better, but really it doesn't impact anywhere near as much as done would have you think.
The camera is simply brilliant.
Scrolling around is super smooth. Noticeably smoother than my old Huawei P20 Pro. To use some other company's tag line - it just works.

I agree with everybody else in that it does have it's shortcomings but overall I love the phone. I mainly like it because of the size. It just feels so much more comfortable in the hand vs larger form factor phones like the 4 XL. It's also a very unique phone in that it is the only small form factor phone with a 90hz display right now, every other phone that has a 90hz display is on the larger side.
Battery life is relatively bad compared to other phones, I'm getting about 4 hours of screen on time with light-medium usage, which includes youtube videos and scrolling through social media. It's not much of an issue for me though because I always charge my phone in my car and I always carry a portable charger with me.
I just can't get over that 90hz display, it's so smooth.

Amer28 said:
I am very excited. I really think it's a special phone, at least from a first glance. The phones that Samsung, Apple, LG, and others put out year after year are all.. carbon copies of one another. I always choose an outsider if I have the option for anything outside of the mainstream - you know, especially if everyone has it.
I had HTC m8 when Samsung ruled Android all alone. Than I opted for OnePlus when I broke my HTC.. because, why not right? Cheap, and as good as the twice as expensive ones.
Anyway!!
That was probably the main reason I decided to go with Pixel. On top of guarantee of getting new Android OS probably before anyone else, I also like the lack of a company skin, and bloatware. I mean root does take care of that but you shouldn't need to root to get rid of apps from a device that you OWN.
When I get it, hoping the order process goes without a hitch, I will write my first impressions here.
^^ Hoping the estimate is very close to accurate.
View attachment 4864161
I didn't spend much time on the forum but from a few reviews I read.. it seems pretty mixed. Some hate it, others love it. Care to enlighten me, please?
Greatly appreciate any effort to that question..
Cheers, Amer
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I don't agree putting LG with Samsung and Apple. In fac I can tell you that carbon copy is Apple and Pixel when it comes to main camera sensor module. They both share an Sony imx363 but assembled and with lenses from LG Innotek . So who's copying who? Apple has f1.8, pixel f1. 7 and lg the more advanced f1. 5 since lg v40 ThinQ. That's 1 year before.
Regarding photovideography my V50 kills both the iPhone and the pixel.
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Regarding sound quality, saying the pixel has sound quality without reffering to the best in class... Quad dac, LDAC, dtsx, hardware MQA, 32 bit audio processor and so on...
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Design?
Just take a look at the V50 Korean model. Under glass most advanced and best on the planet triple camera system. LG has done it. Pixel apple and Samsung are dreaming.

Inerent said:
I don't agree putting LG with Samsung and Apple. In fac I can tell you that carbon copy is Apple and Pixel when it comes to main camera sensor module. They both share an Sony imx363 but assembled and with lenses from LG Innotek . So who's copying who? Apple has f1.8, pixel f1. 7 and lg the more advanced f1. 5 since lg v40 ThinQ. That's 1 year before.
Regarding photovideography my V50 kills both the iPhone and the pixel.
Regarding sound quality, saying the pixel has sound quality without reffering to the best in class... Quad dac, LDAC, dtsx, hardware MQA, 32 bit audio processor and so on...
Design?
Just take a look at the V50 Korean model. Under glass most advanced and best on the planet triple camera system. LG has done it. Pixel apple and Samsung are dreaming.
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LG's flagship devices are meh at best.
Camera? Can only take average at best in detail. f1.5 means nothing if image processing is mediocre.
Under glass camera? LG wasn't the first to do that and they can only do so because they are using smaller camera sensors (aka. for midrange)
Design? This is subjective. LG phones are always a clone of Samsung but look plain and boring.
There is no real character in their phones. Let's not talk about LG's hideous notch because it's not even funny to begin with.
Sound quality? They should thank HTC for being bankrupt, else, HTC will continue to dominate this space.
Videography? I am not a fan of iPhone but everyone will agree that they rule this piece even without pro mode.

Yeah, right. I'm telling you. LG V50 kills everything in both photos and videos.
Regarding design:

How about this? Got it since 04 December.
I've heard there are pixel 4 xl out there with like September and October security patch.
Intresting how times changes...
Regarding the camera aspect don't forget that LG Innotek makes them both for iPhone and Pixel. No way iPhone is taking better videos than V50. They're dreaming.

Ah. I forgot to mention I'm getting 10-12 hours SOT with my V50 4000mah.
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Inerent said:
How about this? Got it since 04 December.
I've heard there are pixel 4 xl out there with like September and October security patch.
Intresting how times changes...
Regarding the camera aspect don't forget that LG Innotek makes them both for iPhone and Pixel. No way iPhone is taking better videos than V50. They're dreaming.
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Pixel 4 xl with Sept security patches!? You do realize the pixel 4 wasn't released until October ? Let me guess this coming from the grapevine right.