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I have a Hero right now.
I'm debating whether or not I should buy the Nexus One now, or wait for different phones with the same speeds to come out.
What's your opinion? Is the Nexus One ahead of the game by quite a bit in terms of speed, or will it soon be matched with phones that are coming out soon?
I have heard a lot about Android Phones coming out with 1Ghz processors, but am still unsure about a lot of things.
So in short, should I wait for the newer phones coming out (with 1Ghz processors), or buy the Nexus One now?
Thanks.
All the latest Android phones that are about to come have 1GHz processors. I believe the only thing that will differ the speed will be how much available RAM each phone has, which will be less than half judging from previous events. I don't know what other factors come into play when it comes to speed and Android - probably little OS things. Really, as usual, your choice is of course going to come down to personal preference. Form factor, Android version, and etc. will be the things that will have to determine your choices.
I'm sticking with the Nexus, it of course will be receiving all the development.. like the G1 per-see.. everything that comes out will eventually find itself of the Nexus if good enough. So don't worry yourself.
Unless overclocked, all these new Snapdragon phones will probably come underclocked to 998ghz like the Nexus that has been bumped up to 1113ghz.. not that that matters nuch I would assume.
Oh yea, and the 8MP cameras that have appearing.. that will also come into play here.
Edit: to address the 1113 GHz thing.. I obviously meant 1.113GHz everyone, don't be such jokers.
I think Cyan said it best on his twitter the other day...
'"I'll wait for a dual-core.."-Steve
N1 is ahead of the game I would say. There will be other phones with the same hardware. No phone will ever be the first "superphone"!!!! N1 FTW!!!
Eclair~ said:
All the latest Android phones that are about to come have 1GHz processors. I believe the only thing that will differ the speed will be how much available RAM each phone has, which will be less than half judging from previous events.
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When you say less than half, do you mean in comparison to the Nexus?
That's another point that has me leaning towards the Nexus. It's the first phone of its kind, so it will be getting a lot of attention with updates and what not.
I kinda worded that wrong ^, when I said less tham half - I meant the amount of RAM each phone will utilize. Most Android phones don't see to use their entire amount of RAM.. though, there have sadly been phones with literally twice as much RAM as the Nexus (1GB). (I was wrong here, it was ROM actually)
I guess I will just agree with Cyanogen, until dual-core phones come out - I will be sticking with the Nexus.
I think I'll be getting the Nexus then... I just need to sell my Hero now!
Who wants to buy it? Mint condition! Comes with a Zagg full body too!
On another note, the desire, while having sense is nice, and that 50mb of ram, its not a deal breaker as the nexus has noive cancellation along with a few other goodies the Desire will not have. Also, the desire can't run on ATT 3g!!
Put your Hero up for sale in the Marketplace forum section.
Agreed: I'll upgrade when there's a dual-core phone, not before. Anything until then will be marginal, super AMOLED and 46363576 GB of RAM or not (especially considering that Android still can't make use of even 512 MB of memory fully). Everything else, like Flash and divx/xvid support, is software-based and can/will be ported. The end.
I have a Magic and will most likely be picking up the N1. For me the determining factor is development activity, I want a device that the xda community can build around. It's comforting knowing that many of the top G1/Magic devs have upgraded to the Nexus and will be working with it for the foreseeable future.
The x10, Desire, Galaxy all look very impressive but if there's not substantial developer support amongst those devices then I'm not going to invest my money in them.
Eclair~ said:
the Nexus that has been bumped up to 1113ghz
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seriously???
faraz1992 said:
seriously???
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lol, or even 9000MHZ!!
Oh, lol, you guy's knew I meant 1.113GHz. I typed that on my phone, kinda wanted to get it over with you know.
izmar said:
I think I'll be getting the Nexus then... I just need to sell my Hero now!
Who wants to buy it? Mint condition! Comes with a Zagg full body too!
On another note, the desire, while having sense is nice, and that 50mb of ram, its not a deal breaker as the nexus has noive cancellation along with a few other goodies the Desire will not have. Also, the desire can't run on ATT 3g!!
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If you want sense, the desire rom on MoDaCo runs well on the N1, just not my style. The camera has grown on me though.
izmar said:
I have a Hero right now.
I'm debating whether or not I should buy the Nexus One now, or wait for different phones with the same speeds to come out.
What's your opinion? Is the Nexus One ahead of the game by quite a bit in terms of speed, or will it soon be matched with phones that are coming out soon?
I have heard a lot about Android Phones coming out with 1Ghz processors, but am still unsure about a lot of things.
So in short, should I wait for the newer phones coming out (with 1Ghz processors), or buy the Nexus One now?
Thanks.
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Right now it's ahead of the game. But there will always be better devices on the Horizon. The Desire. The Evo. Etc...
If you keep waiting for the best upcoming phone, you'll never upgrade!
I recently purchased my Droid Bionic, not aware that in a month's time the HTC Vigor (Thunderbolt 2 officially) would be released. I read up on many rumors of the HTC device, but they all seemed very unlikely. I asked my friend who works for Verizon about the HTC device if he knew anything about it, and he did and told me the specs of the HTC Vigor would be identical to the Bionic, noting that the rumors aren't true, and that it's most likely 1GHz or 1.2GHz dual core, with a qHD 560x940 screen. As far as dimensions or weight, he doesn't know how the HTC Vigor will do in that category. He works high up in Verzion, and I won't disclose his name just in case this info wasn't supposed to be given to me.
Should I return my Bionic and hold off for the Vigor?
I know the Bionic's PenTile screen is very disappointing, the camera is sub-par, and the battery life, while impressive, isn't as amazing as it can be (high cell standby and idle times).
How are HTC screens usually compared to others (SGSII, iPhone, Motorola)? Battery life on HTC phones? My main concern is the battery life overtime; would custom ROMs improve the battery life of the bionic?
I know the camera will definitely beat out the Bionic.
Is anyone returning their phone and waiting for the HTC Thunderbolt 2?
I was deciding if i should wait for the Vigor or Prime, but went ahead and purchased the Bionic.
I was really impressed with how little juice the screen on the Bionic pulls.
My screen on my previous phone would be around 70-80%
Bionic screen uses less than 20% That's why the cell standby percentage seems high.
All the percentages have to equal 100% It doesn't necessarily mean that the cell standby is using more juice when compared to other devices.
Wish the camera was a tad better, but it's doable. I do like how I'm able to use my phone outside in sunlight.
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I would chose the Bionic after all the problems with the Thunderbolt. I will not go back to a htc again.
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I had read, prior to purchasing the Bionic, that HTC Vigor, Prime, and iPhone 5 would all be released in October. Since I didn't want an iPhone and am not super techie that I need a pure Google phone, it was really between the Vigor and the bionic. My last phone was the HTC Droid Eris. Although with root and some fab devs producing ROMs, my l'il Eris lasted me through my 2 yr contract, it was buggy. The hardware literally fell apart and I had to replace the handset 4 times in my 2 yr contract. Although I know ppl who love their Incredibles and Thunderbolts - they ALSO complain of software bugs and hardware issues. Having weighed that, I decided to go with a Motorola product. My friends who have Moto Droids all like them and rave about them. Plus, I'm eager to see if Google acquiring Motorola Mobility will have any impact on the Bionic or proceeding products. I WOULD like to see unlocked bootloaders in the future though.
HTC Vigor:
1. It's going to be running a dual-core previous generation Snapdragon, *not* the new Krait cores which aren't even coming out until 2012. The OMAP4 in the Bionic definitely outperforms it.
2. Just going to be a Sensation on Verizon. If you want to check it out, go to your local T-Mobile store and look at it yourself.
Nexus Prime:
1. We don't really have much details on it.
2. It *might* even also have the dual-core Snapdragon the Sensation/Vigor will run. Seeing as how the T-Mobile Galaxy S2 has that instead of the Exynos, it's highly possible.
3. Eric Schmidt said Ice Cream Sandwich is coming out in October or November. This is a huge timeframe which will most likely lean towards the November area. If previous trends match up with this, the phone will come out *after* the software. Last year, the Nexus S came out 2 weeks after GingerBread dropped on AOSP. If it comes out at the end of October or beginning of November, that will be November or even December before we see the Nexus Prime.
My 2 cents before you start comparing the Bionic to the other phones coming out.
I was thinking of waiting for the Vigor till I realized it was a 1.5 Ghz based on the A8 that Qualcomm and HTC are STILL using. That is why they are pushing them all the way to 1.5Ghz, just to compete with the Exynos, OMAP4, and Tegra 2. The OMAP4 will still kill the Vigor. Granted RIGHT out of the box, the Vigor will probably score a little higher on meaningless menchmarks, most of which have not even been optimized for the new chipsets. But once we can overclock the Bionic CPU even to 1.2Ghz, I would almost guarantee it's CPU will DESTROY the Vigor
If you really plan on using Sense, wait for the Vigor.
In two days I will be replacing my Droid Eris with a Bionic. I do like the Eris, but I was very disappointed that while Android was quickly releasing new versions, I was stuck on whatever HTC had working because the Sense layer is so complicated. As soon as I could root, I did, and didn't find that I missed Sense all that much, though it is pretty.
Some of my friends, mostly Sprint customers, love HTC and Sense, and are loyal to the brand, refusing to go elsewhere. If you're one of those, wait for the Vigor. Otherwise, it's the Bionic now or the Prime later.
cdf3 said:
I was deciding if i should wait for the Vigor or Prime, but went ahead and purchased the Bionic.
I was really impressed with how little juice the screen on the Bionic pulls.
My screen on my previous phone would be around 70-80%
Bionic screen uses less than 20% That's why the cell standby percentage seems high.
All the percentages have to equal 100% It doesn't necessarily mean that the cell standby is using more juice when compared to other devices.
Wish the camera was a tad better, but it's doable. I do like how I'm able to use my phone outside in sunlight.
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I didn't think about the percentages must equal 100%, which answers my question about the call standby and the phone idle percentages being so high. Thanks for answering that for me.
AdamNJ77 said:
I was thinking of waiting for the Vigor till I realized it was a 1.5 Ghz based on the A8 that Qualcomm and HTC are STILL using. That is why they are pushing them all the way to 1.5Ghz, just to compete with the Exynos, OMAP4, and Tegra 2. The OMAP4 will still kill the Vigor. Granted RIGHT out of the box, the Vigor will probably score a little higher on meaningless menchmarks, most of which have not even been optimized for the new chipsets. But once we can overclock the Bionic CPU even to 1.2Ghz, I would almost guarantee it's CPU will DESTROY the Vigor
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It's not 1.5GHz, its either 1.0GHz, or 1.2GHz. I'm also 100% sure if the Vigor has the A8 Qualcomm dual-core chip, that the Bionic will wipe the floor with it.
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If you really plan on using Sense, wait for the Vigor.
In two days I will be replacing my Droid Eris with a Bionic. I do like the Eris, but I was very disappointed that while Android was quickly releasing new versions, I was stuck on whatever HTC had working because the Sense layer is so complicated. As soon as I could root, I did, and didn't find that I missed Sense all that much, though it is pretty.
Some of my friends, mostly Sprint customers, love HTC and Sense, and are loyal to the brand, refusing to go elsewhere. If you're one of those, wait for the Vigor. Otherwise, it's the Bionic now or the Prime later.
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According to rumors, the Prime is supposed to sport a 4.65" screen, which honestly to me is way too big, so for me it was either the Bionic or the Vigor (TB2).
Thanks for everyone's responses, they're definitely giving me insight into both phones and their capabilities as well as how they will perform in the long run. Keep them coming!
Final hardware could still be Krait snapdragon for the Vigor but its getting more skepticle. It coule be the Krait will be in the Prime when it comes out close toward the end of the year. A 720P HD 4.3 in screen is very enticing indeed so it is a tradeoff between the Bionics' mediocre screen or something a screen better than the Retina Display.
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Final hardware could still be Krait snapdragon for the Vigor but its getting more skepticle. It coule be the Krait will be in the Prime when it comes out close toward the end of the year. A 720P HD 4.3 in screen is very enticing indeed so it is a tradeoff between the Bionics' mediocre screen or something a screen better than the Retina Display.
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It would *not* be Krait cores. Krait hasn't even been released yet and is still scheduled for a Q2 2012 release. Not even close.
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It would *not* be Krait cores. Krait hasn't even been released yet and is still scheduled for a Q2 2012 release. Not even close.
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He's ABSOLTELY correct, there is NO chance it is the Krait
I was debating this same thing for a month or so.. Everyone always wants the best available, sometimes that can be a very difficult task. I was on the HTC Evo, and absolutely loved it. So that was drawing me towards the Vigor. My friend has the Nexus S and I was able to see how awesome that can be, so that was drawing me towards the Prime. But bottom line was, I was tired of waiting. I switched to VZW in July so I could get the unlimited data, and because I knew the Bionic was coming out. I had to grab an old blackberry I had laying around to wait.
Can you see why I jumped on what I had initially been waiting on?? The biggest thing I dislike is the LED.. its not the best on the Bionic. I imagine it will be decent on the HTC. But as for the Nexus, does samsung even have a Notification LED?
Definitely different benefits to each phone, but I think as soon as some fixes come out the Bionic will be a very good phone (already is pretty awesome).
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He's ABSOLTELY correct, there is NO chance it is the Krait
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It would be ashame if the Vigor uses the same MSM8660 as in the Evo 3D only clocked higher since the Scorpion cores are getting long in the tooth.
Read this story for S4 Snapdragon Dual Core LTE
seekingalpha.com/article/280664-qualcomm-incorporated-s-ceo-discusses-q3-2011-results-earnings-call-transcript
All I know, is that if I was waiting for the vigor I would wait until the reviews started leaking out, especially after the thunderbolt battery fiasco.
Motorola makes a really solid phone. Even though I like htc and generally applaud their use of materials in their hardware, Motorola makes a seriously well built device. No cheap tolerances whatsoever.
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All I know, is that if I was waiting for the vigor I would wait until the reviews started leaking out, especially after the thunderbolt battery fiasco.
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This. The sad thing is that the Thunderbolt outside of the battery life was a pretty good phone. The screen is quite beautiful and the phone itself runs pretty fast. Hopefully HTC has learned from this so when Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) comes it'll be much better in terms of battery but retaining the screen quality of the original Thunderbolt.
Motorola makes a really solid phone. Even though I like htc and generally applaud their use of materials in their hardware, Motorola makes a seriously well built device. No cheap tolerances whatsoever.
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Except for that nasty pentile display. Seriously the Bionic could have been an complete winner if it wasn't for that. Instead I'll wait for either the Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) or Prime. Too bad for Moto as the original Droid really set the standard for Android phones.
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This. The sad thing is that the Thunderbolt outside of the battery life was a pretty good phone. The screen is quite beautiful and the phone itself runs pretty fast. Hopefully HTC has learned from this so when Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) comes it'll be much better in terms of battery but retaining the screen quality of the original Thunderbolt.
Except for that nasty pentile display. Seriously the Bionic could have been an complete winner if it wasn't for that. Instead I'll wait for either the Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) or Prime. Too bad for Moto as the original Droid really set the standard for Android phones.
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I back the display. Its not a game changer when you can see pixels when you hold the phone up to your eye. I keep saying this - but at normal distance the display is as crisp as any.
Go looking for pixels - you'll find them. Hold an iphone up to your face you'll get the same thing.
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I back the display. Its not a game changer when you can see pixels when you hold the phone up to your eye. I keep saying this - but at normal distance the display is as crisp as any.
Go looking for pixels - you'll find them. Hold an iphone up to your face you'll get the same thing.
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Difference is that I can see the pixels even 5-10 feet away. I didn't see this on either the original Droid or even the Thunderbolt for that matter. So yes the pentile display to me is the deal breaker on the Bionic. Maybe not for you but it certainly is for me. If it works fine for you then enjoy the phone as the Bionic for the most part is a good device. I just felt that the pentile display wasn't for me.
I'm useing my bionic now, I'm about a foot away and I can't see the pixles, I've been useing Netflix with it even closer to my face and its flawless, don't know who's bionic you've been looking at but I can't see my pixles too easily
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This. The sad thing is that the Thunderbolt outside of the battery life was a pretty good phone. The screen is quite beautiful and the phone itself runs pretty fast. Hopefully HTC has learned from this so when Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) comes it'll be much better in terms of battery but retaining the screen quality of the original Thunderbolt.
Except for that nasty pentile display. Seriously the Bionic could have been an complete winner if it wasn't for that. Instead I'll wait for either the Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) or Prime. Too bad for Moto as the original Droid really set the standard for Android phones.
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I would definitely agree that the Thunderbolt was a very good phone, except for the very disappointing battery life. The Bionic's pentile display is also disappointing, but as I used my Bionic more and more, I felt like the display is very crisp and pixels are hardly noticeable unless you truly look for them, and lets be honest, on any phone if you truly look for pixels, you'll find them.
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I back the display. Its not a game changer when you can see pixels when you hold the phone up to your eye. I keep saying this - but at normal distance the display is as crisp as any.
Go looking for pixels - you'll find them. Hold an iphone up to your face you'll get the same thing.
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Normal distance is great. When I watch videos, play games, etc, pixels are hardly noticeable. In addition, the battery life saved from those pentile displays are quite remarkable. It's a somewhat good tradeoff: screen quality for battery life, and even then the screen quality isn't terrible to the point where it would be a decision changer for me.
I upgraded to a bionic from a Droid X (forced due to bootloop, but nonetheless) and also have a Thunderbolt. The pentile screen does love much to be desired, and yes, I can see pixels when holding it even at arms length.
But IMO the bionic has answered the mail on what *I believe* it was meant to be: a portable media center with a webtop bonus thrown in. I've read countless threads across many devices about people pushing their media (local or stream) from their phones to all sorts of tv's, pc's, xbox's, name your reciever. Moto made sure they put out a device that had the horsepower to accomplish that with the added benefit of a decent non battery hogging screen for those that want to use it in transit or while away from their receivers. That's primarily how I used my Droid X and can probably count in the low hundreds the number of times I actually looked at anything on the screen itself for longer than 2 mins (mainly just to set up hdmi out or a bluetooth connection to stream something).
Just my experience and opinion...
The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
So Here's my plan (this is actually how I got the cash to get the N1, albeit an iPhone 4)
Buy a iPhone 4S through At&t for $150 (refurb)
Sell it on ebay for ~$450-500
End up with an excess ~$350
Sell my N1 for ~$100
~$450 total
I can then make up the difference out of my own pocket
$500 is also roughly the amount the Galaxy Nexus is unsubsidized.
The One X looks like an amazing phone. However, the one that will be offered through At&t will be dual core 1.5GHZ, which is still better than the Galaxy Nexus' dual 1.2GHZ. However, if I'm going to have this phone for the next 2 years, it's going to be kick-ass, so I would go with the international tegra 3 quad core One X being offered unsubsidized. Right now that will run more more that $500 surely, but I'll be getting a monster.
I'm also extremely impressed with the community for Nexus devices. The ability to flash countless ROM's is a convenience I wish all phones could have, and something I do quite often. I know HTC has unlock-able bootloaders now, but I don't think they have as much community support for various ROM's, recovery's, etc. I do love the build quality of HTC devices so much more than Samsung though.
So my question to you all is, should I stay true to the Nexus line and get an extremely solid phone, or go for the One-X with almost 3x as much processing power?
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The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
So Here's my plan (this is actually how I got the cash to get the N1, albeit an iPhone 4)
Buy a iPhone 4S through At&t for $150 (refurb)
Sell it on ebay for ~$450-500
End up with an excess ~$350
Sell my N1 for ~$100
~$450 total
I can then make up the difference out of my own pocket
$500 is also roughly the amount the Galaxy Nexus is unsubsidized.
The One X looks like an amazing phone. However, the one that will be offered through At&t will be dual core 1.5GHZ, which is still better than the Galaxy Nexus' dual 1.2GHZ. However, if I'm going to have this phone for the next 2 years, it's going to be kick-ass, so I would go with the international tegra 3 quad core One X being offered unsubsidized. Right now that will run more more that $500 surely, but I'll be getting a monster.
I'm also extremely impressed with the community for Nexus devices. The ability to flash countless ROM's is a convenience I wish all phones could have, and something I do quite often. I know HTC has unlock-able bootloaders now, but I don't think they have as much community support for various ROM's, recovery's, etc. I do love the build quality of HTC devices so much more than Samsung though.
So my question to you all is, should I stay true to the Nexus line and get an extremely solid phone, or go for the One-X with almost 3x as much processing power?
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You never get 100$ for a used nexus one. More like 40~50$. They go new for around 100$
Read the comparisons between Tegra 3 and MSM8960. The dual-core One X will most likely be more powerful and less battery-eater than Tegra 3 one. The number of cores doesn't equal performance. You can get it through AT&T and that would make your plan much simpler.
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Read the comparisons between Tegra 3 and MSM8960. The dual-core One X will most likely be more powerful and less battery-eater than Tegra 3 one. The number of cores doesn't equal performance. You can get it through AT&T and that would make your plan much simpler.
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Thanks for that. So would you choose the One XL over the Galaxy Nexus?
I might not be a good example. After a year with Nexus One, mostly running Enomther's ROM (somewhere between AOSP and CM), and trying some CM7, I grew really fond of Sense, especially after using Sense 3 for a while (running Sense 3.5 on my MT4G now). Stock Android has so many stupid quirks and limitations that I can't stand it. Plus, I completely dislike stock ICS look, it's awful IMHO, and I didn't particularly like Gingerbread either, Froyo was much closer to my taste - and Sense reminds me of it. So I would definitely take a phone that can run Sense ROMs over a phone that can't, but as you can see, it's my subjective opinion.
There is one more lesson I learned from Nexus One: user base counts. With Galaxy Nexus, all you get is a new OS 1-2 months ahead, and relatively small user base - while most likely having devs, but also more likely to jump to another, newer phone quite fast. On the other hand, on One X for 1-2 months delay in OS update you'll get more variants - in addition to stock Sense there will be AOSP, CM and MIUI variants like for any other phone, and most of all - you'll probably get A LOT more users, which eventually equals much better support community. Look at Nexus One development versus the good old Desire. If I'd pick Desire back then - I'd still be using it now.
Seems to me the choice is clear.....lol
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Wait, what? The HTC One X isn't dual core. It's got a quad core processor.
Theshawty said:
Wait, what? The HTC One X isn't dual core. It's got a quad core processor.
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Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
This one is for dual core Snapdragon S4, I believe.
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Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
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Dafuq? Why do they make two versions of it?
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Theshawty said:
Dafuq? Why do they make two versions of it?
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Because Tegra3 does not play nicely with LTE.
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XSafire said:
The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
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http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...wtSlotClick=1-007D1Y!903920-1-1&rel=nofollow#
SGS2, $10 if you buy it today, with two year contract. $100 otherwise... Your plan seems silly.
I Am Marino said:
Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
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No the tegra 3 still outperforms it in raw power by like 70 percent, but the dual core that i has is a beast no doubt about that
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ray3andrei said:
No the tegra 3 still outperforms it in raw power by like 70 percent, but the dual core that i has is a beast no doubt about that
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That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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Are you being serious.. do you trust the bull**** on amandtech.... honestly you didnt hold the device in your hands to see how it performs, nor did you see a clip of it being benchmarked. Its impossible how 2 cores 1.5Ghz can beat a quad core 1.6Ghz the the arm in the s4 doesnt give double the performance compared to the arm in tegra 3... seriously, its like comparing an intel core i5 to a amd phenom 2....
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That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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I also saw pics of a galaxy nexus cooked and all that kitchen stuff i saw PICS only that doesnt prove anything, i own a transformer prime and its really good but it tends to lag when it switches from companion core to the actual cores, i saw benchmarks where the ram in the one x (s4) completely crushes the ram in the prime which is almost impossible because the ram in the prime runs at twice the clock speed. But it is single channel compared to dual channel in the s4 on paper the tegra 3 is faster.. by a lot ...
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Are you being serious.. do you trust the bull**** on amandtech.... honestly you didnt hold the device in your hands to see how it performs, nor did you see a clip of it being benchmarked. Its impossible how 2 cores 1.5Ghz can beat a quad core 1.6Ghz the the arm in the s4 doesnt give double the performance compared to the arm in tegra 3... seriously, its like comparing an intel core i5 to a amd phenom 2....
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
P.S. It's funny that you assumed that I "didn't hold the device in my hands".
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
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Haha....i didnt say a9 did I, you seem to be really pissed dude... show me a vid where the one x gets benchmarked.. and im not a fanboy.. in fact i like my nexus more than my prime..
On paper the tegra 3 is better and even if it uses arm a15mp core it still wouldn't match sorry im done here
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
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If i look at thr quadrant benchmark it gets 8500, on my prime i get 11000.. so the t3 is faster.. sorry
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I would choose the nexus only because of the screen, stock ics, and 1st to get updates, anything else go for the one x regardless of the version you get
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Looking for a fully featured 7 tablet, that I will be using for web browsing, gaming (intense ones ) and studying.
Planning on using this device for a couple of years before replacing I am assuming 3 to 4 years?
Our family currently has the Tab 2 7.0 and I reckon it's a bit sluggish, is the Nexus 7 exceptionally smooth?
Should I get it?
It's a Nexus device so will be supported for a couple of years at least with the latest and greatest Android.
It will already be a upgrade from the Tab, as it runs Jellybean.
Nothing in the world is future-proof more than a few years (notable exception being my PS3, which is stil bang upto date despite being bought in 2006).
In terms of processing-power it's right up there with the Nexus 4 and the Galaxy SIII, so you're not looking at problems playing games in the near future.
Also, you got an active development community for the device, so even if Google decides to not support the tablet with new versions of Android, you can still keep up to date with what the devs are pumping out.
I've been using mine almost all the time when i'm not sitting in front of my rig, and it has never let me down.
I might say it is likely to be future proof for at least 2 years. It has the hardware, and Google is known to support their nexus line for quite a while. My guess is that it will be in the front line of the upcoming key lime pie update tier.
It's not really possibly to future proof a device until performance can only be increased by a change in architecture, and even then only marginally, much like in the pc category.
Software wise it's a nexus, it will rule the roost for 2-3 upgrades
Hardware wise I'll give it till the new Tegra 4, snapdragon 800 and the exynos 5 octa come out
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It's not really possibly to future proof a device until performance can only be increased by a change in architecture, and even then only marginally, much like in the pc category.
Software wise it's a nexus, it will rule the roost for 2-3 upgrades
Hardware wise I'll give it till the new Tegra 4, snapdragon 800 and the exynos 5 octa come out
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I know that the new chips introduced at CES 2013 are a few times more powerfull than the Tegra 3. What I ment was that future apps and games will work OK for 2 years. The average life span of a phone and table is 2 years, if it's a flagship device at the time you make the purchase. And the thing is if you fear buying a new device just because it's not future proof, you'll end up never buying anything. 200 dollars isn't a lot of money for what you're getting with this tablet.
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I'd prefer u get the tab 2 rather than the nexus 7. Since the tab has a better build quality, screen.
Both are 1ghz and 1gb ram, so no comparison there.
And Samsung has apps like Memo, s Suggest, etc,
But in terns of futureproofing the Nexus 7 fits well
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The N7 is faster than a Tab, its processors clock at 1.3 GHz and in terms of build quality i'd say they are on equal levels.
I know there are a few stories out there about screen lift on early batches of the N7, but since I can only speak from personal experience, I can say that the build quality of mine is exceptional.
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I'd prefer u get the tab 2 rather than the nexus 7. Since the tab has a better build quality, screen.
Both are 1ghz and 1gb ram, so no comparison there.
And Samsung has apps like Memo, s Suggest, etc,
But in terns of futureproofing the Nexus 7 fits well
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You probably shouldn't try to provide an answer when you don't know what you're talking about. The nexus 7 is a 1.2ghz quad core processor, tab 2 is 1ghz dual core, not the same. As for apps Samsung forces on users, there's always plenty of alternatives on the play store.
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It's a Nexus device so will be supported for a couple of years at least with the latest and greatest Android.
It will already be a upgrade from the Tab, as it runs Jellybean.
Nothing in the world is future-proof more than a few years (notable exception being my PS3, which is stil bang upto date despite being bought in 2006).
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I hope so. I just bought one off of Ebay and I'm waiting on delivery. I'm a little skeptical of the performance of the N7. I have a SG3 that has higher Quadrant scores, so I hope it has enough processing power to go beyond KLP.
If I were you, I wouldn't give a rats ass about Quadrant scores, as they usually say jack-s**t about the speed or usability of a device.
Same deal with PC-Benchmarks really, they are a marketing tool to get you to buy new hardware.
2 years for a 250$ device seems like more than enough to say that it paid for itself. Most probably the games development will skyrocket, better specs will be required, better screens, more storage space. So, as I said, for me 2 years is a good estimate.
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If I were you, I wouldn't give a rats ass about Quadrant scores, as they usually say jack-s**t about the speed or usability of a device.
Same deal with PC-Benchmarks really, they are a marketing tool to get you to buy new hardware.
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Greed, that's is what i bought one.
I bought my wife a TF300 several months ago, it is on par with the N7's performance but the N7 cost almost half the price.
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Its a 1.3 GHz quad core.
Just buy it. It should be future proof for at least 1 year. Its cheap anyways
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It's a 1.2 quad core, 1.3 is single core mode.
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It's a 1.2 quad core, 1.3 is single core mode.
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Um. What? It's a quad core 1.3ghz. The companion core is is 500Mhz.
let me put this in perspective... technology changes at a rapid rate. since the n7's release just 6 months, there are now a few devices that outperform it in games (the galaxy note 2 is a great example). play some intense games like need for speed on the n7 and galaxy note 2 and you will see how laggy the n7 can get compared to other devices. the n7 is already becoming an outdated device, hardware-wise. games will only become more demanding, they're not gonna just hit a plateau for two years or wait until the n7 has had a good shelf life. games are already lagging on the n7. if you want something future proof for the next year or two, then good luck, that will never happen with tablets because of the growing rate of the software market. your best bet is to buy the latest and greatest when it's released. that's the only way to "futureproof" yourself.
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Its a 1.3 GHz quad core.
Just buy it. It should be future proof for at least 1 year. Its cheap anyways
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maybe not..
http://www.nu.nl/gadgets/3016117/asus-maakt-tweede-nexus-7-tablet.html
or in english: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130128PD222.html
it depends on when google wil release the next nexus 7.
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I'd prefer u get the tab 2 rather than the nexus 7. Since the tab has a better build quality, screen.
Both are 1ghz and 1gb ram, so no comparison there.
And Samsung has apps like Memo, s Suggest, etc,
But in terns of futureproofing the Nexus 7 fits well
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Wrong on so many levels. Is this why you wanted to hang out in here even though you don't have a N7?
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let me put this in perspective... technology changes at a rapid rate. since the n7's release just 6 months, there are now a few devices that outperform it in games (the galaxy note 2 is a great example). play some intense games like need for speed on the n7 and galaxy note 2 and you will see how laggy the n7 can get compared to other devices. the n7 is already becoming an outdated device, hardware-wise. games will only become more demanding, they're not gonna just hit a plateau for two years or wait until the n7 has had a good shelf life. games are already lagging on the n7. if you want something future proof for the next year or two, then good luck, that will never happen with tablets because of the growing rate of the software market. your best bet is to buy the latest and greatest when it's released. that's the only way to "futureproof" yourself.
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This is contrary to everything I read about the tab 2 before buying my N7. Almost every reviewer complained about the Tab 2 being noticeably slower than the N7 in gaming.
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This is contrary to everything I read about the tab 2 before buying my N7. Almost every reviewer complained about the Tab 2 being noticeably slower than the N7 in gaming.
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i never mention the Galaxy Tab 2 in my post.
It's a Nexus device, so it will be supported going forward for quite a while, and since it is easy to unlock, the developer community will support it for quite a while.
It probably won't be the best gaming device in 2 years, since that pushes hardware well beyond most other tasks, but if it starts to get a bit slower, you can always push the clocks. It seems most of the N7s will push the cores to 1.4 or 1.5 without any issues, and 1.6 is doable for burst before hitting thermal limits, with some chips able to run even faster. The GPU pushes quite well too.
I'd fully suggest one as a reasonably future-proof device. Plus, they'll likely still resell for $50-$100 in 2 years, which means you're paying $50-$75/yr for a Nexus device. That's pretty good.
I am thinking of getting a HTC One. But, after seeing the spec sheet of Snapdragon, comparing the Snapsragon 600 (used in HTC One) vs the Snapdragon 800 the latter seems to be far better than the 600 series. Also, in the spec sheet the SD 600 is categorized under mid-high end phones, where the SD 800 is intended for super premium phones, tablets and smart tv's. Source: Spec sheet and Qualcomm Press Release
So, I'd like to know your opinions. Should I go for the HTC One, which seems a great phone overall, just not the best possible SOC (but great enough for a phone I reckon), or should I wait for one of the first Snapdragon 800 devices?
These days no matter which phone you buy, few months later something better will get released.
And besides that, at the moment snapdragon s4 pro is best soc available(until htc one comes out) and snapdragon 600 is suppose to be 40% better in performances, so I would definitely go for it...
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I don't think we will see the 800 on phones at least not until a new chip can beat the 600.....
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at this point i honestly feel like phones don't really have a need to get any faster for day-to-day usage. it's more about software features. 1080p is nice, but it's not a MUST HAVE over a 720p. snapdragon 800 is a great bonus if you're in the market for a smartphone when it comes out, but getting the s4 pro or the 600 will probably not give you any lag or speed problems. i mostly root and install stock android on most of my phones so the 2 things i always look for are:
1. battery life
2. design
that's it. though i wonder if i'd rather stay on htc sense if i ever get an htc phone. everyone always bashes it but i find sense to be extremely good looking (even better than stock).
S800 will come around Q4..And there isno end to it.I am sure when it comes out there will be talksof anoher high end soc..S900 maybe..Its only bcoz u know about it that you are waiting..you should not wait and besides s600 is blazingly fast and the fastest chip so far!
after the S800 the S900 then the S1000 etc... every few months there will be something newer and faster just like dual core, quad core and now the supposed 8core chips that are being developed or already developed ... as well as the SGS3 then SGS4 then SGS5 , note 3, then note 4 etc.. you get the idea if you wait for the newer thing thats "about to come out" then your gonna always end up waiting and never have anything ...
Since I get a new phone every 2 years I could wait a couple of months for better, newer hardware though. SD800 devices are said to use Quick Charge 2.0 and Voice activation, which are ONLY available only for the SD800 devices. I read somewhere that there are already 55 SD800 devices in the works (source), so waiting a couple more months for a significant performance boost, even lower battery drain, and charging the battery up to 75% faster seems logical to me. (Not to mention encode/decode of 4K HD content, 50% boost in graphics and 100% boost in performance due to Adreno 330, 50% faster LTE bandwidth and clocked to 2,3GHz) Those are a lot of high percentages! Voice activation could be interesting, but I rarely use voice so that's not a big deal for me. Maybe in the future when Google Now becomes available in the Netherlands though.
The comments are understandable that you should not wait for the next best thing as you will end up having nothing. But a few more months for such a performance and feature boost, to me, is a better insurance my phone will keep up the next 2 years (hardware wise).
But thanks again for the replies!
Well, I've had early access to one running a final build in Canada. If it's performance you're worried about; I've ran Nenamark 2 on it, and it never went below 60 FPS. The result was 60.2 average.
The only major thing that could have made me wait though is the quicker charging feature, however I mostly charge my devices at night so charging times makes little difference to me.
Don't take my word for it though, I'm biased towards the One. I've been following it since it was just a rumor and had already pre-ordered it.
Its the most poerful device rite now..what else do u want? Evn s4 wont be that big a difference..and plasticky
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Life is short, buy the best one that is offered in the given moment!
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LC, will we see your work on hTC One??
I'm definitely getting 600 snapdragon and past 800,1200. And getting 1600. LOL. There's always gonna be a better phone, I'm not gonna wait forever.
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i take now, is away more powerfull than my gs3 and better construction
HTC One + will be out in a couple of months after the S4 release, as HTC always does.
And XDA will be there to make sure there would be no difference between the two (maybe apart from storage).
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And XDA will be there to make sure there would be no difference between the two (maybe apart from storage).
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Well, 'no difference' would be a little weird since they always upgrade something in the hardware department, otherwise it's just the same phone. I'm still hoping HTC will release a new One model, like the One+, but hopefully with the SD800 (and all the perks that go with it). That would be the perfect phone I think..
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Well, 'no difference' would be a little weird since they always upgrade something in the hardware department, otherwise it's just the same phone. I'm still hoping HTC will release a new One model, like the One+, but hopefully with the SD800 (and all the perks that go with it). That would be the perfect phone I think..
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Until a couple of months down the line when something else that makes us drool is released.
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S800 will come around Q4..And there isno end to it.I am sure when it comes out there will be talksof anoher high end soc..S900 maybe..Its only bcoz u know about it that you are waiting..you should not wait and besides s600 is blazingly fast and the fastest chip so far!
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According to some rumours there may be S800 phones out as early as July. I don't think anyone really knows.
I say you wait, that's what I'm doing. Q4 we are going to see the snapdragon 800 and tegra 4, hell we might even see the Exynos 5 make its way to America maybe in the next Note (assuming it becomes LTE compatible). but these processors far out class what you would be getting in the One or S4, so what's 3 months.
And the Results are? :::drum roll:::
Greetings, Bramgg. After Googling the SAME question... it brought me to your post and this forum. I was fascinated by some of the insightful comments you got on this post, Bramgg. i'm a AT&T customer in the US and unless i plan on losing my fishing partner (and more importantly his boat!! lol) i'm pretty locked in with my service provider! Lol.
I currently am using an HTC Vivid (pausing for those reading this to groan) and i'm primarily still using that phone because i have been dragging my feet waiting for the Snapdragon 800. i happen to REALLY like HTC even though i can't deny the sluggish performance and lag times on the Vivid have been verrrry frustrating. I guess my frustration is part of the reason i have dragged my feet in selecting a new phone but honestly, i can't take it any more!! i need a new phone.... hopefully in the next few days.
I have a real fascination with the Snapdragon 800... and am curious if you waited for it or went with the 600 as you were contemplating? Are you pleased with the speed? This is kind of embarrassing to admit on an advanced user forum but i'm not even aware if the 800 is out yet and available on HTC devices. I'm not completely locked into HTC i guess, but i do like the 'Shortcut to Four Apps' feature on the lock screen and i do think they build a high quality phone compared to many of the other companies who flood the market with phones and discontinue them three months later.
Thanks in advance for any help you or others reading this can provide... i'm very anxious to have a phone that responds more quickly.
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Shadow, I'm fascinated (and slightly jealous! lol) of your knowledge on processors. i told Bramgg (in a post below on this thread) a few details about what i'm contemplating and why. May i get your thoughts please... when time permits, of course. i suppose i could wait a week or so if something specific had already been announced but i'm not sure i can wait much longer for a new device as i'm verrrrrry frustrated with the lagging on the HTC Vivid. The Vivid has a 1.2 GHz dualcore processor with 1GB of memory... but it's not cutting it. Texts, Apps opening... all verry slow.
Thanks in advance.
Steven
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I say you wait, that's what I'm doing. Q4 we are going to see the snapdragon 800 and tegra 4, hell we might even see the Exynos 5 make its way to America maybe in the next Note (assuming it becomes LTE compatible). but these processors far out class what you would be getting in the One or S4, so what's 3 months.
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