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[Poll] New "Android only" forum?

Sorry for posting this here, but I couldn't really find a suitable place since most of the Android action is right here.
These past weeks I've noticed an increase of irrelevant threads and clutter being made in regards to Android development in the HTC Dream forum and every other Android development forum on xda. A lot of Android devices out on the market now are not made by HTC. This of course is causing a problem since this forum is for HTC devices only.
Maybe it would be a good idea if a new forum was created that accounts for all native Android devices (Motorola Droid/Milestone, Motorola Cliq/Dext, Samsung Galaxy, etc...). That way, a lot of the clutter would surely be resolved and a considerate load would be taken off of this server (Gotta hate the horrible load on xda these days...).
I'm sure there are quiet a few people on here that have an HTC device and are fully satisfied with it (Me included!). That doesn't mean that everyone else has to feel the same way. People that choose to go with Samsung, Motorola, etc. for their next Android device should not be left out. That's why I believe there should definitely be a forum that serves everyone.
To put up a new forum specifically for this matter takes no time at all, but it does take participation. So if you feel like this is something you would like to see, please feel free to leave a comment.
What are you're opinions on this matter? Agree? Disagree?
Discuss.
EDIT: If there's enough people interested in this project, would there be anyone willing to help getting things started in terms of hosting space or something similar?

my thoughts are that the few changes that have been recently made should help if they are utilized. now we have a forum for general android development for devs, and the rom releases are in the device specific forums. Here was my idea, but i think they made the right choice. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4795376&postcount=1

jaaronmoody said:
my thoughts are that the few changes that have been recently made should help if they are utilized. now we have a forum for general android development for devs, and the rom releases are in the device specific forums. Here was my idea, but i think they made the right choice. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4795376&postcount=1
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It's a start. But I don't think xda is going to put up more sub forums for each new device out there. Thus, development and ROM threads for Motorola and other devices will be left out. Unless I understood your post incorrectly

no, you're right, i just dont think xda WANTS to keep up with every brand that uses android. they apparently keep their focus on HTC devices. there are gonna be a FLOOD of manufacturers utilizing droid in the future, and unless xda wants to change their focus, they will stick with one brand

jaaronmoody said:
no, you're right, i just dont think xda WANTS to keep up with every brand that uses android. they apparently keep their focus on HTC devices. there are gonna be a FLOOD of manufacturers utilizing droid in the future, and unless xda wants to change their focus, they will stick with one brand
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Yea that's exactly my point.
There WILL be a flood of Android devices from all kinds of manufacturers and it would be nice if there was a place for all of them come together. That way, everyone can keep track of specific development without having to switch between dozens of forums.
My $0.02.

good luck, my friend. Most likely it will take someone to else to start a new site to accomplish. funny, i was fooling around a couple days ago and did this. http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=176593179336&v=wall
not saying this is the solution, but you are not alone in your concerns.

I see that a few agree with me, care to share your point of view? Maybe it will spark this thing.

[Q] Is it just me?

Is it just me or is the lack of Froyo turning some people on this forum into total dicks? The flaming, ASCII text, FFS comments, etc. Is it past your bed time? Is it you're taking your home or job stress out on other people? Grow up and be considerate of people once in a while.
I spent a year on the Incite forum; it wasn't as bad. Then I spent 6 months on the Pure forum and still didn't see this type of abuse. I read the whole congition forum before jumping and didn't see it this bad. It's just here in the general section. Something about this forum, phone or android is making its users very sour!
People ask for help or fire off questions without due process. Deal with it! Some people search better than others and some people don't empower themselves at all and just fire off questions before letting them sink in. I've been doing tech support for over a decade and know people come in all types. That's why we have Call in, KB's, Forums, Email, WebEx, etc... For modifying your phone or voiding your warranty; we have forums so accept everyone as they come. You stop posting your dumb ass comments and it will filter into the older pages. A simple already posted or subtle link to something already posted is more than sufficient.

It's just you.
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It's just you. The forum has been very helpful to me.
People flame you if you ask something stupid or obvious. "Deal with it!!"
Edit: Added quotations.

Just you.
If you search from the top level of the captivate forums it searches all sub forums. Your the one with all the exclamation points. If you work in a tech support field, you should really have thicker skin then you are demonstrating.

Moved to Q&A.
Also toning the language down in the first post a tad wouldn't hurt. You can get the same point across without being quite so confrontational.

People can be dicks about it..but they have every right to be when one someone asked a question that has been asked 20 times already,sometimes just 1 or 2 post back from where the question is asked. I understand people get in a hurry..don't read the instructions..the dog ate their homework..but come-on..
Mac

+1 For It's Just You.
Every forum has factions that are smart asses or outright asses.
For the most part this forum is great and extremely helpful and i don't see any different tenor here than any other forum i have frequented.
+ a majority of people here have already been running froyo for sometime....so there is no lack.

+1 for its just u. I found this forum very helpful.
Edit: I never so far had to wait for even a couple hours before someone answered any question/request I posted here..

Wow.... That's all I'm saying...
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XDA >>>> androidforums.com
All I ever read on androidforums are people crying about when Froyo is released. ATT this, Samsung that, no Froyo cryyyyyy. And then none of them will flash a leaked Froyo build. It's like they are all so excited for the OTA to come full of AT&T apps which they'll just try and remove anyway.

It must be me.
The votes are in. It's just me

norcal einstein said:
XDA >>>> androidforums.com
All I ever read on androidforums are people crying about when Froyo is released. ATT this, Samsung that, no Froyo cryyyyyy. And then none of them will flash a leaked Froyo build. It's like they are all so excited for the OTA to come full of AT&T apps which they'll just try and remove anyway.
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To be fair, I do expect the official build to fix a lot of bugs we're having with the leaked roms, so I can see why people would be waiting for the official release. There's a whole thread in the general section about froyo problems, most of which haven't been resolved in the custom roms.

shawnl01 said:
The votes are in. It's just me
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lol... even still, i feel ya though.
When I first got my captivate I stumbled onto some Evo forums and thought that some of the conversations where quite a bit nastier than here. I was very pleased and thankful that I didn't have to deal with that while trying to decipher the unwritten language that seems to be somewhat unique to each Android device (which, IMO makes it hard to search for items with unfamiliar concepts or procedures and why we have people asking the same questions over and over... you know, besides just being lazy).
But I definitely don't think that's not as true anymore. It won't stop my addiction to reading, learning, and flashing new roms and kernels though!

Raider x710a?

hey guys is there any root/roms for this device yet? ive tried searching and havent come up with anything... it all seems to be for the AT&T vivid...

The Raider x710a is the HTC Vivid, at least that's what it says under my battery cover.
Does the Rogers device have the same code?
Root's always been available for Canadian Raiders as your bootloader was unlocked much earlier than ours. custom ROMs are interchangeable by region.

well its actually a bell one, same device but i tried loading the ics official RUU from AT&T and it was a no go?

set sail for fail, another day, another newb

just newb with this device, if you check my threads i use to cook roms for the magic...so stfu

shael said:
well its actually a bell one, same device but i tried loading the ics official RUU from AT&T and it was a no go?
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Learn the art of posting on XDA. This should be in general.
You asked for root and ROMs. For you, this has been available for what feels like centuries. Just looking at the dev board would have gotten your answer.
Now you're talking about ICS RUU, which is neither of those. Searching anywhere would have immediately told you that you need an OTA with the new HBOOT and the Canadian carriers have not released that yet!
Ai ya yai, it's no surprise that PG left.

ok so its rooted, and if im corrected there is no ics available to flash?

Yes.
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shael said:
hey guys is there any root/roms for this device yet? ive tried searching and havent come up with anything... it all seems to be for the AT&T vivid...
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shael sorry for the harsh greetings from others. I am not sure when decurum and sensibility were flushed from our souls bit I'd like to wish you the best from Dallas, TX USA.
Good luck with the Raider.
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willgill said:
shael sorry for the harsh greetings from others. I am not sure when decurum and sensibility were flushed from our souls bit I'd like to wish you the best from Dallas, TX USA.
Good luck with the Raider.
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A lot of it flew out the window when PG left. There were so many people who kept asking the same questions over and over, who didn't search nor follow instructions, then proceeding to come here and whine about why their phone/ROM didn't work. PG got fed up. It's part of why the development here is so weak.
This posed question really is no different. I can provide decent responses to good questions and demonstrated competence, but it's immensely tedious to try to respond to the same questions over and over when the answer is readily plastered all over the place.
It was common understanding in the old Captivate forum that one is to search before posting, then post their question. For some reason, the problem wasn't nearly as pronounced there, and all places in which it appeared was in the General section. I feel like the convoluted (by comparison) HTC setup is causing a lot of angst among those new to this, but the information to do things properly is still present on the forums as much as it was before. All people must do is read thoroughly and follow directions. Nobody is responsible for your device except you, so it's your fault if you brick your $500+ phone.

Aus_Azn said:
A lot of it flew out the window when PG left. There were so many people who kept asking the same questions over and over, who didn't search nor follow instructions, then proceeding to come here and whine about why their phone/ROM didn't work. PG got fed up. It's part of why the development here is so weak.
This posed question really is no different. I can provide decent responses to good questions and demonstrated competence, but it's immensely tedious to try to respond to the same questions over and over when the answer is readily plastered all over the place.
It was common understanding in the old Captivate forum that one is to search before posting, then post their question. For some reason, the problem wasn't nearly as pronounced there, and all places in which it appeared was in the General section. I feel like the convoluted (by comparison) HTC setup is causing a lot of angst among those new to this, but the information to do things properly is still present on the forums as much as it was before. All people must do is read thoroughly and follow directions. Nobody is responsible for your device except you, so it's your fault if you brick your $500+ phone.
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You nailed it, while being politically correct at the same time

Aus_Azn said:
A lot of it flew out the window when PG left. There were so many people who kept asking the same questions over and over, who didn't search nor follow instructions, then proceeding to come here and whine about why their phone/ROM didn't work. PG got fed up. It's part of why the development here is so weak.
This posed question really is no different. I can provide decent responses to good questions and demonstrated competence, but it's immensely tedious to try to respond to the same questions over and over when the answer is readily plastered all over the place.
It was common understanding in the old Captivate forum that one is to search before posting, then post their question. For some reason, the problem wasn't nearly as pronounced there, and all places in which it appeared was in the General section. I feel like the convoluted (by comparison) HTC setup is causing a lot of angst among those new to this, but the information to do things properly is still present on the forums as much as it was before. All people must do is read thoroughly and follow directions. Nobody is responsible for your device except you, so it's your fault if you brick your $500+ phone.
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I can understand the intolerance for whiners, but he wasn't whining. I know the history of PG and the reasons he left.
The quick quips telling someone to search really aren't helpful. Maybe they did and it was confusing or they didn't find the answer.
For that matter, if searching is always the response at XDA, we don't need XDA since all of the same answers are available on other websites and can be Googled.
The Internet is free and we can act however we wish. My wish is for a more helpful, less critical culture.
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Same questions everywhere i look
I have been using xda for years, i never post, i do this out of respect for the devs and people who have legit questions in the tread but since i just got my HTC raider last week (i have a G-Nexus as my main device) i started to Rom and ROot this device and i have seen so much anger on these threads, brothers i have the same hate for mundane and stupid questions that can be answered by control -F-, or the search button at the top, i have found a answer to every problem i have had for almost 3 years worth of androids (G1,DEXT,DesireZ,GalaxySVibrant,MOTOAtrix,Xt860,samsung note,galaxy nexus) Just for the love of god please use the search functions that we have at our disposal so that we dont loose DEV's like PG and we continue to make these phones better than they are
lets stand up for justice in the forums
Lets stand up for clean forums
LETS STAND UP FOR SOME BLOODY ICE CREAM SANDVICH

willgill said:
I can understand the intolerance for whiners, but he wasn't whining. I know the history of PG and the reasons he left.
The quick quips telling someone to search really aren't helpful. Maybe they did and it was confusing or they didn't find the answer.
For that matter, if searching is always the response at XDA, we don't need XDA since all of the same answers are available on other websites and can be Googled.
The Internet is free and we can act however we wish. My wish is for a more helpful, less critical culture.
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I'm not talking about this isolated instance. I'm saying in general. OP didn't whine, but his second question posted a very simple and very common question whose answer is found all over the shop.
Every thread I've read ever since joining XDA has a clear instruction set. Never found any problems, and any unclear bits was usually cleaned up within at most a day. Especially for things that are guided/intuitive like RUU updating or CWM flashing. Anything deviating from that has always had clear and express instructions.
I agree with you on the searching front. It's just that by consequence, XDA is a pinnacle for Android development information and Google's search is not localized to the forum (though it can be forced), nor are all its threads indexed with the latest information on the latest issues, unlike the forum search and its ability to parse posts as they are made. Likewise, most of the information here cannot be found elsewhere unless heavily publicised.
My wish is for XDA's culture to have more autonomy and less incompetence. XDA is more of an instruction manual when it comes to knowing the ins, outs and modifications that you can do to your device.
Anyway, let's end this before it erupts. I am now abandoning this thread.

Xda developers?

Good morning Ladies and Gents,
I'll get to the point, this is a developer site right? Well then my question is why was one of this site's best developers blacklisted from receiving his title as " recognized"? Ladies and Gentlemen this Developer has done more for this forum than anyone, he has carried the phone and I mean phone in all its forms under his wing, and made roms so stable , so fast.. so revolutionary that he has earned his stripes. He spends hours upon hours up answering questions , making instructional videos, talking on the phone or chat, for what? To make sure each persons experience with the Rom, their phone is as it should be... Amazing. I may be rambling to some, but to the others that feel the way I do , its a fact.... WILD CHILD deserves recognition for his innovations that make the phone a conversation piece, a show stopper . Ban me if you must but I'm speaking my opinion , and if that ticks people off oh well .. Bring him back and give him the title he has earned

Signed.
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Co-signed

Why does he need a title for creating roms? Even though you don't see his roms in our forums, he is still doing stuff for the vivid/raider/holiday community.
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It is about recognition. He should be recognized for his efforts by the people who run the site. He is not another poster like me, he is an actual developer and he had earned his title through hard work and endless hours of creation.
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i agree

megatronisabeast said:
It is about recognition. He should be recognized for his efforts by the people who run the site. He is not another poster like me, he is an actual developer and he had earned his title through hard work and endless hours of creation.
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I know what he has done for us thru his work. Did you ever think that maybe he doesn't care about "this status" anymore? I for one think he is much happier on his site not having to worry about the stress and drama that XDA creates.
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I know he is happy on his site but if we are using his work here on this site, wcx recovery, then he should be recognized here for his work.
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megatronisabeast said:
I know he is happy on his site but if we are using his work here on this site, wcx recovery, then he should be recognized here for his work.
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You do have a point with that . There is nothing wrong with a good discussion in the morning lol.
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Devs who contribute that much should be recognized so they feel appreciated by everyone who benefits from all the hard work...I know I do and I am relatively new to Android and HTC..but thanks so much for ALL the Devs hard work..
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doktor buknasty said:
I know what he has done for us thru his work. Did you ever think that maybe he doesn't care about "this status" anymore? I for one think he is much happier on his site not having to worry about the stress and drama that XDA creates.
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You for one herr Dr. dont know him , i personally know the B.S. this site has laid in his way... and as petty as you seem to think it is, it would mean alot... now go get buknasty lol

Totally agree the amount of support he gives is far above and beyond anything I've ever seen. He was out to dinner and took a phone call to help someone get their phone up and running. He has some tire dedication to his work and it shows in the quality
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he is top notch. I've been around for a good long while. Used his inspire from.. hell my daughter still does. He engages users on every level...not scared to be personal with users.. he is top notch and at the end of the day CUSTOMER satisfaction is paramount to him...that's right I said customer...he treats everyone like they paid 200 bucks for his roms. He is a class act. Plain and simple. His people are loyal to a fault...when I say his people I mean all the members of his forum. We all participate...we all contribute and you'll find that we will all stand up for him. He is more than a developer. Xda should see him for what he is...he should be the benchmark...
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he is top notch. I've been around for a good long while. Used his inspire from.. hell my daughter still does. He engages users on every level...not scared to be personal with users.. he is top notch and at the end of the day CUSTOMER satisfaction is paramount to him...that's right I said customer...he treats everyone like they paid 200 bucks for his roms. He is a class act. Plain and simple. His people are loyal to a fault...when I say his people I mean all the members of his forum. We all participate...we all contribute and you'll find that we will all stand up for him. He is more than a developer. Xda should see him for what he is...he should be the benchmark...
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Spot on!
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Where i greatly appreciate the compliments,as far as xda is concerned byt the last response i got with applying it was a basic none releated to anything i have or havent done here on xda....so basically it was a blow off stating i wasnt qualified or god wnough or hadnt contributed enough to be recognised as a developer here....and thats fine....no worries...this was just another reason to not develope and release on here....i still support other peoplles roms and problems here....but as far as my work goes....its just a title that they felt i wasnt deserving of no matter what i have done....if i can find the email ill post the generic response i got.....
WC
Edit Found the GENERIC response that did not apply to me at all in any aspect....
Thank you for recently applying to be a recognized developer of XDA. We regret to inform you that your application has not be accepted. But don't worry, you can still re-apply starting 1 August using this form.
We cannot accept your application because of one of these reasons:
1) you have made too few posts on XDA......(I had over a thousand posts)
2) while you are a very helpful XDA user (which we appreciate tremendously), we didn't see much actual development coming from you.(ive been releasing since the sony x1 series)
3) we noticed that you have been inactive on XDA for a long time.(I am always on here)
4) your development work has been limited to just a couple of things. Keep it up! We want to make sure that you continue to do great development work.( A couple things?? I release 5-6 ROMS with each device)
5) we decided not to accept those that make icons or themes. We realize that themes and icons take a lot of work, but we're focusing this program on those that are doing other types of development.(I dont make themes)
6) we found you to either have a history with infractions, or you might have been banned in the past for breaking XDA rules/exhibiting bad behavoir.(I had never had an infraction or a warning till this year and it was reversed since 2008)
7) most of your development work comes from an online kitchen. We encourage you to continue to cook ROMs, and to even contribute on a more substantial level to the development of custom ROMs.An online Kitchen? News to me where theres an onlie kitchen that you can cook fully functional tweaked roms)
Again, our purpose in doing this is to not set up an exclusive club, but rather to provide extra privileges to those that are making significant development contributions to the XDA community. We want you to be able to have these privileges, which is why we're happy to re-evaluate your application come 1 August.(CROCK OF BS)
Thank you for your understanding. If you feel that we are mistaken for any reason, or you want more specifics on why we made this choice, please PM me back with subject "Appeal".
- Developer Committee
You guys can make up your own minds as to these reasons which do not fit any of my criteria
WC

As a moderator I recently endorsed him being bestowed with the Recognized Developer title. This was done before we became friends, at the time when the forum was going through a lot of turbulence & all the developers were leaving.
The following comments are my own & only represent my views. Yes WC can be hard headed, opinionated & argumentative. That's also probably why we get along, we understand each other.
There are some Cooks that have the RD title that really don't deserve it.
I personally never used anything WCX before the Vivid. Since the Vivid section started having issues with rudeness & kanging I reached out to many of the developers about forming a developmental group & WC was the only person that took the time to respond. Since that time, we have become friends along with J4n87 & together things have been coming together. WC does currently participate in the xda Vivid forum. He answers questions & helps users with tutorials & instructional Videos. You think cooking a rom makes you a developer? No, it does not. For every Vivid related WCX release or rom, there are hours of work & collaboration on many items. Most of the development is done over the phone, gtalk & via email. While I never really used WCX Windows Mobile roms, I was a mod & followed most of the developers & cooks. I just read this response letter & while I do truly love XDA, I feel it is important to make comments in reply to the letter he posted.
You will find my comments below in blue.
Wild Child said:
Where i greatly appreciate the compliments,as far as xda is concerned byt the last response i got with applying it was a basic none releated to anything i have or havent done here on xda....so basically it was a blow off stating i wasnt qualified or god wnough or hadnt contributed enough to be recognised as a developer here....and thats fine....no worries...this was just another reason to not develope and release on here....i still support other peoplles roms and problems here....but as far as my work goes....its just a title that they felt i wasnt deserving of no matter what i have done....if i can find the email ill post the generic response i got.....
WC
Edit Found the GENERIC response that did not apply to me at all in any aspect....
Thank you for recently applying to be a recognized developer of XDA. We regret to inform you that your application has not be accepted. But don't worry, you can still re-apply starting 1 August using this form.
We cannot accept your application because of one of these reasons:
1) you have made too few posts on XDA......(I had over a thousand posts)
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WC has been cooking roms & developing items for the roms pre-WM6. I saw his work in the Kaiser, Raphael, Rhodium & Xperia forum threads. I think number of posts is a silly factor. Imagine if pof only had 100 posts, but all of the posts were for S-Off or CID unlock for 100 different devices. Would that not be worthy development? WC has nearly 2500 posts & has averaged nearly 2 posts a day since November 2008.
2) while you are a very helpful XDA user (which we appreciate tremendously), we didn't see much actual development coming from you.(ive been releasing since the sony x1 series)
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As I stated, he has been developing roms since Kaiser at least, but also contributed roms to Xperia, Raphael, Rhodium, Inspire & HD2 forums.
3) we noticed that you have been inactive on XDA for a long time.(I am always on here)
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I see WC contributing in many ways & he has numerous posts that are development related & just generally helpful, answering questions & helping out new users with issues.
4) your development work has been limited to just a couple of things. Keep it up! We want to make sure that you continue to do great development work.( A couple things?? I release 5-6 ROMS with each device)
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A couple of thing? Well, most of the posts are roms, the roms all include other developments (many of which get kang'd) & each of the roms was supported & updated regularly. Unlike some cooks, WC still updates & supports older device roms. Many cooks here just close their thread as soon as they get someone to donate them a new device.
5) we decided not to accept those that make icons or themes. We realize that themes and icons take a lot of work, but we're focusing this program on those that are doing other types of development.(I dont make themes)
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WC does not make themes. His roms are really stock like & made for folks that want to do their own customizations on a solid, high performing base rom. He does not just unzip a rom & remove bloatware, but actually ports items from other devices he works on & adds perfomance enhancing tweaks & mods. His roms are not flashy like some of the early RD cooks, but they work as well & much of the time even better. I also love that I don't have to have some cooks gaudy graphics & his name all over my device & boot screen.
6) we found you to either have a history with infractions, or you might have been banned in the past for breaking XDA rules/exhibiting bad behavoir.(I had never had an infraction or a warning till this year and it was reversed since 2008)
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I looked. There are no infractions. There was one this year that was given in error because of a mistake a mod made & it was overturned & deleted by the issuing mod. The only thing I can think of is that I know there was a disagreement between WC & one of the flashy Cooks/Mods. While this person makes pretty roms, they always left a lot of orphaned files & registry entries behind.
7) most of your development work comes from an online kitchen. We encourage you to continue to cook ROMs, and to even contribute on a more substantial level to the development of custom ROMs.An online Kitchen? News to me where theres an onlie kitchen that you can cook fully functional tweaked roms)
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This one really upsets me, as It is a flat out lie. If you go through WC's posts, you can see him starting out & inquiring on how to manually port XIP & SYS files questions about other areas of development. None of the roms I dl'd & looked at were cooked using the Modaco online kitchen.
Again, our purpose in doing this is to not set up an exclusive club, but rather to provide extra privileges to those that are making significant development contributions to the XDA community. We want you to be able to have these privileges, which is why we're happy to re-evaluate your application come 1 August.(CROCK OF BS)
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Yes, WC does not boast about all of the work that goes into the devices he works on & he doesn't do it all himself. However, there are many things that he has ported from one of the devices in his collection to another that has been of benefit. He ported some thermal related libraries & drivers from the LG Nitro HD to the Vivid & that is one of the reasons his roms don't suffer the thermal heat issues that many of the other do. Yes, the posts just look like a rom release because he isn't bragging about the mods & that is partly out of humility & partly out of the fact that people don't ask permission & hate giving credit & just kang anything that is new.
I'd also like to point out that when I first went to the Android OS, I had an Inspire that was my gal's. I found the WCX Inspire rom & contacted WC. He called me on the phone & walked me through a few issues. He stayed on the phone with me from unlock/s-off, all the way to flashing the WCX Inspire rom. We probably talked for 90 minutes.
I'd also like to add that all of the development work I have done with the mod & the Tweaks app, probably never would have been done without WC working with me & j4n87. There are a lot of things going on development-wise for the Vivid that are not known yet & that are being developed via gtalk & email & if it weren't for a few bad eggs, WCX roms & development would be back here at xda. The WCX site is a smal non-commercial site that primarily serves a place to host the rom downloads. I would like to see him receive RD status & back here with XDA as a primary outlet for his work. Respect is the only thing I can see that is preventing that from happening. Users are disrespectful & to not be recognized for his work is just one more slap in the face, the proverbial straw that broke the camels back.
Thank you for your understanding. If you feel that we are mistaken for any reason, or you want more specifics on why we made this choice, please PM me back with subject "Appeal".
- Developer Committee
You guys can make up your own minds as to these reasons which do not fit any of my criteria
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Wow... Just wow. I'm speechless.
All I can come up with is to thank you both for everything!
Well that and I truly hope you guys have the best recoveries possible.

heres a perfect example....4 hr phone call for tech support for user kelnhofer,then another 30 min call while out too dinner with him again.....smh....
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heres a perfect example....4 hr phone call for tech support for user kelnhofer,then another 30 min call while out too dinner with him again.....smh....
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hahaha, that's dedication, mobile tech support

"Senior member" lol, didn't even realized it doesn't say dev, wtf... I have your roms like 3 yrs ago on my tilt2... And who are those "developer committee" anyways? other devs?
You, sir are definitely a dev for me, don't care what xda says!
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Thank You to A great developer for a great ROM DjangoManoucheX by carburano

I did not know of carburano's work with the LG Optimus 2X for GB but with ICS I do have to say I really appreciate the time and effort he has put into the development. His thread in the development section is one of the most read and posted thread. I believe it is almost as large as the JB threads and in some cases larger. Even his old GB thread is still being posted to and growing monstrous in size.
I have tried to keep up with his ICS thread but it is so hard with the large number of posts everyday, some seeming to be constant repeats of previously asked questions or small replies to others. In some cases people just quote someone else and add lol. Everything I see points to carburano being very dedicated and committed to his work and followers. I can understand the difficulties he has sifting through the posts looking for good feedback and positive replies to his hard work. I am certain that he reads over every post and each one takes up some of the time he sets aside for us all.
Being such a large and popular thread I was surprised not to see more threads on DjangoManoucheX (yes I even used the search feature) where people would discuss everything from how a particular ril performs to which baseband people are using with his rom. But than again without them being started by the creator of this fabulous rom few people may take them seriously and in some cases may not take the time to search for them.
@carburano thank you for breathing life into my phones have never worked better. I have 3 LG2X's and some nights I may install roms with different kernels to see how they work for a few days, taking note of particular things I like better than others and how things are implemented. I enjoy this type of playing with the phones, I spent many years as a electronics and computer technician and finding something that keeps me this excited is beyond words to explain. Yet after many tests I keep coming back to your rom as the standard.
Please take the popularity of your thread and rom as I hopefully believe it is meant to be, a positive show of how much everyone appreciates your work. Some people may get over excited like kids in a candy store waiting for the store keeper to restock the shelves and sometimes this may lead to them typing to fast or some things lost in translation. Seeing your work and any new release you put out is like Christmas time all over again.
I would have tried to post this on the DM rom thread as I could find no other thread praising your work but 2 things stopped me
1. I am new so can not. I have lurked in the shadows for to long watching and
2. I need to try and figure out what the "on topic" topic's are. So hopefully in the general area is where I should put this.
Thank You again carburano I believe things could not be better with you keeping the phone and your followers so well looked after.

Heya, I'm glad you liked his ROMs but the thing is carburano is not a developer, he is a "rom cooker". . He "cooks" a rom using the preferences/addons/themes etc.. he likes.
Other than that, I support this post. I think he is a great contributor to this community.
thanks carburano.

Thanks
I appreciate the clarification in terminology. I am behind and need to catch up some.
My main goal was to try and express my gratitude and maybe others for the work he puts in to make our life and phones better and easier.

Hello...
Carburano is a great cooker, and even so good that we could say developer, at least he's able to give Roms as good as he was a 'developer'.. And a good person as far as I 'know' him
But the community deceived me a lot theses days because they didn't really understand the meaning of XDA and of what he is doing, for FREE.
He would not provide his update to everyone because some have though his thread was a general/Q&A thread... and what some replied ?! "Ok, no problem, we don't care, if you don't provide us a even better Rom every week we switch to an other". But boys tell me, what's are the problems that 'everybody' encounter with the 1.4 ? It is fully and absolutely working, stock based and theme with a kernel that LG was dreamimg to build but wasn't even able to.
So what do theses guys want... every developer deserve respect for what they are giving to our phone which was at the beginning made for the developer's phone only, so you can't complain of anything about what Carburano is doing
@Carburano: Thank a lot for what you gave us, giving our old phone an extended life

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I'm sorry but i cannot continue with this environment, i've stolen many days to my private life not to hear that i must release soon otherwise i'm an id***... I prefer to continue dmx privately and if things will be fine i will give you links. I promised to avoid open a new thread for my roms and i will keep this promise. Ciao guys. This is it
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A sad day it is.
When we take something for granted that was given for free and than expect to be treated like we paid for it.
carburano and other developers / chef's / cookers already have enough things to do with there own life that their free time and evenings should be spent doing the things they love because they want to and not because people try to make them feel bad about not giving all their time to one thing.
I have stayed off forums on many different websites and out of the conversation because I am more than happy to patiently wait for the next release or happy to work out all the bugs that I can on my own before I bother anyone, but now it is to late I should have joined earlier if for nothing else than to click on the thanks button.
@carburano because of the great work I have seen in your rom it has peaked my curiosity to maybe give it a try myself and see what I can do with my phones. It is a good thing there are high quality developers and chefs on XDA that I can try to seek guidance from. I would expect there are alot of people who do create their own custom roms but also keep them private to avoid the stress that seems to be taking over.
I learned from playing addictive online games that Real Life takes priority and you need to take the time to ensure it does not slip past you while you look at the computer screen.

No problem man.. You are absolutly true, the community have been really disrespectful towards you and your life that we all know very busy, and I really hope that your decision will make some minds change..
Again, thank for your work..

Hi carburano, i really reeeally reeeeeeeally love your work on DMX. I always come back to your rom when i try others rom's. That speed, smoothnes, battery life.
Well, now its over because some idiot's. :banghead:
But if you relese newer version's of your DMX, can you please send me links?
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This forum is dying anyways got the O2x for 2 years now and i ordered my Nexus 4 thanks for keeping this phone alive devs but i think this is just the end for the O2x.
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carburano said:
I'm sorry but i cannot continue with this environment, i've stolen many days to my private life not to hear that i must release soon otherwise i'm an id***... I prefer to continue dmx privately and if things will be fine i will give you links. I promised to avoid open a new thread for my roms and i will keep this promise. Ciao guys. This is it
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Take the advice of your quote and live well, your work speaks for itself. If you decide to share any further work I know there are dedicated people who are more than willing to provide positive feedback to what works and does not work. My wife gets mad at me when I change her phone because I see something I want to test out on it so I will have to just keep playing with my other 2 LG2X's for now.

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This forum is dying anyways got the O2x for 2 years now and i ordered my Nexus 4 thanks for keeping this phone alive devs but i think this is just the end for the O2x.
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Not for me. I want my O2X to live forever.
I've just had my power button replaced, and I'm even considering buying a new battery for it just so I can make it feel new.

Welll guys...
Life goes on.....
Thx Carbo,one more time...
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Carbru bro what I am seeing this?
Please dont!
You are a greatest dev and contributor since years for our 2x. You've made a great effort. We miss you please come back:/
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Carbru bro what I am seeing this?
Please dont!
You are a greatest dev and contributor since years for our 2x. You've made a great effort. We miss you please come back:/
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Last months my thread became o2x trashbin.. It was my fault too... So i took this decision.
I alteady miss xda but i cannot continue in this way
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carburano said:
Last months my thread became o2x trashbin.. It was my fault too... So i took this decision.
I alteady miss xda but i cannot continue in this way
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Man, this is sad because of a few stupid guys, we lose a great dev like you ! :crying:
I've been a fan from your first ICS release, I loved your jokes during install, like the cookie recipe and the fake windows install !
Now I have DM X1.2 and can't update anymore
Can you send a link for us who enjoyed all your hard work ? :good:
Thanks for your time and work Carburano, don't let stupid people upset you !

But Carburano, why so many of us have to be punished this way like the bad ones? I'm still at Stock 2.3, when I see the news about DjangoManouche X 1.5 I see the perfect rom to my phone. I just hope some day I can use your rom, because to me, your rom seem to be the best one. We will miss you man!

carburano said:
Last months my thread became o2x trashbin.. It was my fault too... So i took this decision.
I alteady miss xda but i cannot continue in this way
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Hey mate,
I do have one suggestion which you might want to try.
Create an Q&A or userthread in the general section, where people can post more freely.
Add big fat red lines at your op stating that every kind of offtopic needs to get posted there and only posts for bug reports etc. are allowed in your dev thread.
Then consequently report users who break the ground rules.
If someone does it continuously ask the mods if they could hand him an infraction.
This forum is about development and contributions - not about dumbasses who can't keep their mouth shut and think they need to clutter threads in the development section.
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I tried to find Waldo and failed
Well I looked in the official release thread for DM 1.5 link and I think I found the post where carburano had placed his link but I think it has already been removed or maybe moved to a new post due to the problems that thread was having. No one wanted to be subjected to the same problems he was having. That is sorting through all the extra off topic posts.
For some people I hope it opened their eyes to the problem, for others all they could do was complain about it even though carburano posted the exact page where he shared.
I'am happy playing with 1.4 it works great.
@carburano good job in the way you posted the link, if even a few people now think twice before they post threads or where they post them I would say you accomplished the task of educating them.
I will keep looking in my spare time, maybe get lucky one day.

I need link for Dm1.5?Thnks.

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Hey mate,
I do have one suggestion which you might want to try.
Create an Q&A or userthread in the general section, where people can post more freely.
Add big fat red lines at your op stating that every kind of offtopic needs to get posted there and only posts for bug reports etc. are allowed in your dev thread.
Then consequently report users who break the ground rules.
If someone does it continuously ask the mods if they could hand him an infraction.
This forum is about development and contributions - not about dumbasses who can't keep their mouth shut and think they need to clutter threads in the development section.
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I read rc/rd pm... And it's a good idea but now i will wait until things come back to normality and then i will think about it
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