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There used to be a mod that kept the phone on E always (for battery saving purposes) until data was required or being used, then it would switch to H automatically. Does that exist for the Tilt? I had it on my old 8525....
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ld-runner said:
There used to be a mod that kept the phone on E always (for battery saving purposes) until data was required or being used, then it would switch to H automatically. Does that exist for the Tilt? I had it on my old 8525....
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Perhaps I mis-understand what you mean but here goes... I am not aware of such a mod.
The handset can be operated in GSM (2G) or UMTS (3G). Potentially faster data connection speeds are available (at possibly higher battery drain) when you use the 3G mode (if available to you) - in this case when a 3G connection is available it may be possible to use the HSDPA data connection (automatically demanded by your hanset only when data is required) but that depends upon: whether you have that service available from your providers masts, whether they have enabled for you it and also whether your handset has the HSDPA setting enabled.
On the other hand only GPRS or EDGE (see wiki here) may be available when a 2G/GSM connection is available. EDGE is basically an enhanced version of GPRS but does not match HSDPA speeds.
So you are mixing the EDGE data indication "E" with the HSDPA indication of "H". The only way your handset can go from EDGE to HSDPA (or vice versa) is if your signal received changes to provide HSDPA from EDGE (perhaps as you change location).
Of course you can disable both 3G and seperatly HSDPA - then you are left with either G or E (use the comm manager and/or the various tweakers).
Beware - some ROMS are incorrectly showing the H instead of 3G when no data connection is active and this is a known problem.
Probably too much detail but may help .
Regards
tony.wheeler said:
Of course you can disable both 3G and seperatly HSDPA - then you are left with either G or E (use the comm manager and/or the various tweakers).
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He needs a program to switch between those modes automatically instead of manually though the comm manager, when he enables/disables a data connection..
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He needs a program to switch between those modes automatically instead of manually though the comm manager, when he enables/disables a data connection..
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yeah, that is right.
You know what I do. I use Kaiser Tweak or AdvancedConfig to tell it to Disconnect my 3G connection after 3 minutes. Then When a program needs Data it connects to The 3G network, than when It doesn't need it it disconnects after 3 minutes. Phone still works otherwise. And My battery lives for days.
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yeah, that is right.
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Let's see if I get this..
You want to run the handset in 2G (GSM) mode for normal voice comms but when you want data you want to switch to 3G (UMTS) so that HSDPA can be used?
I personally haven't seen anything that can do that automatically and understand the problem is that to change from one band to another actually requires a cycle off of the actual phone. There are plenty of programs out there that cycle the phone mode - perhaps you should put this requirement to Dani who has developed a Comm Manager Pro program - his software does this cycling of modes but based upon time and place (for instance) rather than the trigger that you want which is when a data connection is required. Try looking at this http://www.commmgrpro.com/ and asking Dani who is always on this site with the Hermes forum here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299070
Good luck .
Gotta be careful forcing the phone to Edge/HSDPA. Particularly if you force it to HSDPA.
I took a 2 hour road trip today and it took me coming back to figure out why my phone wasn't even getting a signal; it was forced to 3G. I set it to Auto in BandSwitch and it had a signal immediately.
Whoops!
speaking of road trips and HSDPA...
i took a trip today with my wife to Washington and had perfect signal the entire time.. until my battery died of course.
but HSDPA all the way..
i live in Jersey and have travelled to the NYC, the UK and Puerto Rico and have yet to get bad reception...with my old blackberry... im damn near posivtive i woulda had lag
JimmyMcGee said:
You know what I do. I use Kaiser Tweak or AdvancedConfig to tell it to Disconnect my 3G connection after 3 minutes. Then When a program needs Data it connects to The 3G network, than when It doesn't need it it disconnects after 3 minutes. Phone still works otherwise. And My battery lives for days.
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How come I have been to stupidd to figure this one out myself????? I was soo curious how folks were getting great batterylife....
Damn back to school I am.
JimmyMcGee said:
You know what I do. I use Kaiser Tweak or AdvancedConfig to tell it to Disconnect my 3G connection after 3 minutes. Then When a program needs Data it connects to The 3G network, than when It doesn't need it it disconnects after 3 minutes. Phone still works otherwise. And My battery lives for days.
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i manually control my data connection through comm manager. i always have 3g off too on comm manager. However, my battery sucks ass and it doesn't last longer than 18hrs with normal use. However, my backlight is at full blast because i can't see the screen outdoors if i don't have it set to 100%. Wish i could see the screen outside during the day and i wish the battery life lasted longer.
redbandana said:
i manually control my data connection through comm manager. i always have 3g off too on comm manager. However, my battery sucks ass and it doesn't last longer than 18hrs with normal use. However, my backlight is at full blast because i can't see the screen outdoors if i don't have it set to 100%. Wish i could see the screen outside during the day and i wish the battery life lasted longer.
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I usually cup my hand to act as a shade around the screen. I can see the screen well enough at the 3rd lowest setting.
JimmyMcGee said:
You know what I do. I use Kaiser Tweak or AdvancedConfig to tell it to Disconnect my 3G connection after 3 minutes. Then When a program needs Data it connects to The 3G network, than when It doesn't need it it disconnects after 3 minutes. Phone still works otherwise. And My battery lives for days.
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Have you noticed any kind of lag in your device when using the AdvancedConfig auto disconnect feature? I "feel" that when I have this feature turned on the device lags a bit. So instead I have the long press end key mapped to terminate data connection and I end up having to hit that so many times during the day.
Hello
This is sort of on the same lines. I use the com manager built into the custom rom im using ( L26_Kaiser_Diamond_V9 ) and throttling back from a 3G/HSDPA connection to the Edge signal. Ive noticed a huge difference battery life. Before i would only get about 4-5 hours standby because I had an application running that kept the HSDPA active previously. If you use a messenger service like IM+ I strongly suggest upgrading to a rom like L26 that has the ability built right into its com manager. It more than doubled my battery life with 0 cost to messaging performance. If i have to hop onto the net or tether, its a simple button switch to re-enable 3g
Hey guys!
I tried searching the forums on an answer to the question I'm having, but no luck. So.. here goes!
Is there a way to disable GPRS, and have only UMTS (and 3G, HSDPA) connections?
The reason I'm asking this, is that whenever I move into an area without UMTS coverage, it automaticly switches to GPRS. When this happens during a phone call, the call gets dropped! Also, while having a GPRS connection, noone is able to call me, without me noticing.
What I'd like to happen is that when there's no UMTS coverage, there will not be a data connection, at all, not even GPRS. (of course, GSM will be available at all times).
I've tried the utilities Bandswitch and CommMgr Pro (www.commmgrpro.com), but both do not seem to offer this feature.
Any idea's? Thanks in advance!
here you go, this should help( i hope ): Modaco NoData
I guess he'd want it to be automated, so as soon as the radio switches to GSM the connection gets disabled, and when it switches back to UMTS it gets enabled again.
I unfortunately haven't seen anything allowing it so far.
When this happens during a phone call, the call gets dropped!
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Can't do much about this, even with no data connection. The radio must disconnect/reconnect from the network to switch mode so the call wil be dropped anyway.
Hey you two, thanks for answering!
Unfortunatly Zee, the NoData utility actually drops the entire connection (3G included).
Maybe it's just not possible.. because to get a 3G/UMTS connection, it starts by making a GPRS connection.. at least, that's how I see it when it's trying to connect.
Still though.. I'm hoping for a way to get this working
w000ter said:
Hey you two, thanks for answering!
because to get a 3G/UMTS connection, it starts by making a GPRS connection..
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No, if your radio is in 3G mode when you establish the connection it should directly connect as 3G without going through GPRS.
It will go to 3G first before switching to HSDPA once a data transfer has started though, maybe that's what you saw.
Ah.. I get it.. thanks Kilrah! So.. it COULD be possible haha..
w000ter said:
Ah.. I get it.. thanks Kilrah! So.. it COULD be possible haha..
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If you want to get your hands dirty you could experiment with .NET CF
zeezee said:
If you want to get your hands dirty you could experiment with .NET CF
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Been thinking about that.. but nah.. too time consuming and I'm no wizkid either
But if you feel that developing such tool is your destiny, then by all means, go ahead ! hehehe
w000ter said:
Been thinking about that.. but nah.. too time consuming and I'm no wizkid either
But if you feel that developing such tool is your destiny, then by all means, go ahead ! hehehe
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Naw, i dont know enough about the technicalities of the cell phone to work with it, sorry
offtopic// Senior member!
zeezee said:
Naw, i dont know enough about the technicalities of the cell phone to work with it, sorry
offtopic// Senior member!
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I'll just get my hands dirty on other stuff then..
w000ter said:
Hey you two, thanks for answering!
Unfortunatly Zee, the NoData utility actually drops the entire connection (3G included).
Maybe it's just not possible.. because to get a 3G/UMTS connection, it starts by making a GPRS connection.. at least, that's how I see it when it's trying to connect.
Still though.. I'm hoping for a way to get this working
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As mentioned in the thread, if you switch between EDGE/GPRS and 3G, your call and data are both dropped. This is why I stopped doing auto-switch with BandSwitch as I was always getting random call drops as it switched.
ie: I stay on EDGE, but I want to do 3G for a few minutes to download something. Then I get a call. The 10 minute switch timer I set expires, bam, call dropped.
khaytsus said:
As mentioned in the thread, if you switch between EDGE/GPRS and 3G, your call and data are both dropped. This is why I stopped doing auto-switch with BandSwitch as I was always getting random call drops as it switched.
ie: I stay on EDGE, but I want to do 3G for a few minutes to download something. Then I get a call. The 10 minute switch timer I set expires, bam, call dropped.
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So that's basicly the other way around..
I'd like to avoid EDGE/GPRS all together, my calls not only get dropped when a GPRS connection is established, but also when data is being transferred. In fact, if I'm sending/receiving data on a GPRS connection, people are unable to call me, and I dont even notice.
Yeah.. this is why I really dislike GPRS, and love UMTS
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if I'm sending/receiving data on a GPRS connection, people are unable to call me, and I dont even notice.
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Yep that's normal EDGE behavior, if you have a connection active but no data being transferred at the moment you get a call it will go through, but while data is going through the call gets dropped.
kilrah said:
Yep that's normal EDGE behavior, if you have a connection active but no data being transferred at the moment you get a call it will go through, but while data is going through the call gets dropped.
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Thanks for confirming that Kilrah, it took me quite a while to figure out why that happens haha.
Will this allow me to set conditions for standard connection and Roaming Connection?
ie. i want to to use my UMTS connection when connected via 3G,
but when roaming, i want it to switch automatically to my alternate connection.
My Carrier : Connection 3services
Roaming : Connection 3netaccess
Is that possible?
How can I keep applications like skype, IM+, ebuddy etc running for any length of time? Even with settings for always on and no power save, they seem to disconnect after a while, either just after a long time, or immediately after I start using the browser or other applications. And then some, like IM+, wont conenct anymore unless I force close and restart.
kkhalil76 said:
How can I keep applications like skype, IM+, ebuddy etc running for any length of time? Even with settings for always on and no power save, they seem to disconnect after a while, either just after a long time, or immediately after I start using the browser or other applications. And then some, like IM+, wont conenct anymore unless I force close and restart.
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Are you using Edge or 3G? As far as I know, without 3G or 3.5G, you can't talk on the phone and keep the internet connection live. YMMV.
Well I have 3G switched on, but the strange thing is that when no 3G signal is available, or it's weak and drops for a bit, then the phone switches to G (gprs) rather than E (edge), or does the phone just not display E?
Having said that, it disconnects the apps regardless of whether I'm using the phone or not
kkhalil76 said:
Well I have 3G switched on, but the strange thing is that when no 3G signal is available, or it's weak and drops for a bit, then the phone switches to G (gprs) rather than E (edge), or does the phone just not display E?
Having said that, it disconnects the apps regardless of whether I'm using the phone or not
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hey there)
firstly about 3G <-> Edge/Gprs switching. literally speaking edge is a piece of hardware equipment embedded into the base station. afaik not every base station has it, so in case you see G that means that either you are served by above mentioned base station or all the channels are occupied by other subscribers which rarely happens nowadays, because carriers expand the capacity of the base stations in order to provide full range of services to their subs. in other words if 3G is not available you would see G or E, you can't manually force your handy to use Edge only, it's an improved version of GPRS so to say
as for the im apps disconnets. i personally use Meebo and it never signs me off. it doesn't matter if i use the phone or switch to other apps. it runs in the background as a service until i choose to sign off manually. give it a try. if it keeps running in the background then maybe Im+ have an option to keep connection alive in its configs. otherwise it can be a bug in the ROM you are using.
Hope it helps
Thanks, I'll give Meebo a try. I guess I found the 3G/G/E thing weird cause the last 2 phones I had did change from one to the other in sequence, so I assumed that this one was skipping a stage, especially as it is slower than my last phone when browsing.
bjai said:
Are you using Edge or 3G? As far as I know, without 3G or 3.5G, you can't talk on the phone and keep the internet connection live. YMMV.
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edge/gprs (2G/2.5G) does not allow you to transfer data and to use voice service simultaneously. because it uses the same timeslots as voice does. but it won't disconnect you.
Thanks again for the recommendation, very stable and overall much better than previous apps I've tried for msn. The only few times I was signed off it signed me back in automatically.
how long can you browse or stream on 3g before the connection dies when you have full signal?
I'm getting three or four pages, then I have to enable airplane mode to reset the connection. actual speed is great, and signal strength good, but connection time is never over five minutes. does froyo contribute to this?
i'm using the default (no root, nothing special) froyo with the included radio on a stock non-root n1.
So far, I don't see an upper limit on how long my connection will last. It has never cut out on me. So I say I can load an infinite amount of pages before it cuts out...
What Radio/Software are you using?
I'm on stock rom, stock browser on Fido. Latest Radio.
ohgood said:
how long can you browse or stream on 3g before the connection dies when you have full signal?
I'm getting three or four pages, then I have to enable airplane mode to reset the connection. actual speed is great, and signal strength good, but connection time is never over five minutes. does froyo contribute to this?
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Newest 2.2 Froyo and newest radio. No 3G dropping issues on ROgers in Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Clarkster said:
So far, I don't see an upper limit on how long my connection will last. It has never cut out on me. So I say I can load an infinite amount of pages before it cuts out...
What Radio/Software are you using?
I'm on stock rom, stock browser on Fido. Latest Radio.
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i should have input my current config... updating original post
it doesn't matter if i use the default browser, or dolphin, or any other application. after 4-5 views/pages/whatever it will end up with a non working connection. it appears that the is UP travel, for 30 seconds to a minute or more, but no DOWN travel at all. during this time pages will disply "No Connection at this time, try again later" or a similar message.
I'm using my n1 on tmobile, with 3-4 bars of 3G coverage, while stationary. doesn't seem to matter if i'm on a tower i usually use @ my home, or at work, or where. it's a pretty consistant failure of traffic.
I can go hours. In fact I've never had this issue I've read about.
It sounds like you've eliminated all other options. i.e. does the same thing no matter where you are or what the signal strength is.
Which normally should mean it is on your end. Do you have any apps installed that could interfere? Maybe some data transfer meter, or some apps that are auto syncing?
Ive had this same problem no matter what rom or radio im using. My phone shows a 3g connection with full signal but pages wont load.
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It sounds like you've eliminated all other options. i.e. does the same thing no matter where you are or what the signal strength is.
Which normally should mean it is on your end. Do you have any apps installed that could interfere? Maybe some data transfer meter, or some apps that are auto syncing?
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none nope
hmmm
My connection could get stuck some times, but that was before I updated to Froyo. What would happen was that it would seem to be constantly uploading and I couldn't use the connection for anything so I had to go airplane-mode and back.
Don't really know what the issue you have is though, especially since mine went away with Froyo. I've been browsing for _long_ periods of time after I got Froyo without any issues so...
After flashing CM6RC2 I can see that the data connection keeps switching between 3G and H, while it does this, my connection goes on and off, and I believe it's killing my battery as well.
I'm pretty sure it's not the ROM because the connection goes on and off while I was on stock. The ROM just made the difference of showing the data changing.
Is there a way I can make it go between only Edge and 3G, or just Edge and H? Like to try it that way for a few days and see how it goes.
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No and no. Your connection does nothing wrong, you have data streaming - that's why you see H coming on. If you want to save your battery - look for the application that pulls the data constantly. HSDPA is extension of UMTS (3G), it works when you're connected 3G.
Jack_R1 said:
No and no. Your connection does nothing wrong, you have data streaming - that's why you see H coming on. If you want to save your battery - look for the application that pulls the data constantly. HSDPA is extension of UMTS (3G), it works when you're connected 3G.
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Can you give me an example of "pulling data constantly"? Like setting up Twitter to check for updates every 15 min?
Everytime my battery goes low and I check usage, the top two are Display and Cell Standby, with Display having a huge lead.
That's what you're going to have. Your battery status looks ok.
Example - setting a widget to update every minute, or setting a widget to update when it can't access whatever it needs to access. Also, if I'm not mistaken, data usage shows as a part of "Voice calls" or "Phone idle", and not as a part of "Cell standby" or "Display". I'll try to verify it later today.
Now this is curious to me, I just recently unlocked/rooted and flashed to CM6 RC1, on a Nexus One. I'm on a ATT Microcell and previous to root always had 3G at pretty constant speeds around 1.5/1.6 Mbps. Since flashing I see the H i'm guessing probably 60/70% of the time and after looking at the DalviK Debug Monitor Logs i'm pretty sure I know what widgets/apps are keeping the data connection alive. The thing is though when the H is displayed the highest speeds I see using the Speedtest app are around 0.2/0.3 Mbps which seems pretty lousy. If I go to *#*#info#*#* and click WCDMA only I seem to lose my connection altogether, although I didn't leave it there long. I'd like to go back to 3G only but not sure how to go about this, it was never an issue before root/flash, and I really like The Cyanogen Mod, my device is more stable now then when I was running stock 2.2 FRF91. Any ideas? or am I stuck with this situation until I flash something else, or go back to stock (ain't gonna happen, the stock thing).
Cyan ROMs automatically set your build prop file hsxpa to 1, but stock value is 2. This probably is limiting your speed. I know it caps my upload speed to 0.3 Mbps so I edit the value back to stock of 2.
BTW, if this thread is still up - I've checked, and the data (at least when I tether) falls under "Voice calls" category.
Is it possible to adjust build.prop to only use H and Edge?
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productofusa said:
Now this is curious to me, I just recently unlocked/rooted and flashed to CM6 RC1, on a Nexus One. I'm on a ATT Microcell and previous to root always had 3G at pretty constant speeds around 1.5/1.6 Mbps. Since flashing I see the H i'm guessing probably 60/70% of the time and after looking at the DalviK Debug Monitor Logs i'm pretty sure I know what widgets/apps are keeping the data connection alive. The thing is though when the H is displayed the highest speeds I see using the Speedtest app are around 0.2/0.3 Mbps which seems pretty lousy. If I go to *#*#info#*#* and click WCDMA only I seem to lose my connection altogether, although I didn't leave it there long. I'd like to go back to 3G only but not sure how to go about this, it was never an issue before root/flash, and I really like The Cyanogen Mod, my device is more stable now then when I was running stock 2.2 FRF91. Any ideas? or am I stuck with this situation until I flash something else, or go back to stock (ain't gonna happen, the stock thing).
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what you are seeing is the way the microcell works, i think it only operates at a certain frequency and registers with the phone at whatever rate is displayed when the cyanogen icon is displayed for 3g, the slower data speed is because the microcell uses your own internet pipe when you use data from the cell
nope to both!