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hello all,
i love HTC software/ROM's (touch it from Itje), but have came across what looks to be the best software going, it is the HTC magic software, i am thinking to get rid of my xperia and getting the HTC, unless there is some amazing person who will be able to copy it to a ROM for our xperia.
have a look at following page to see for yourself:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/overview.html
thank you in advance
scorpio2008 said:
hello all,
i love HTC software/ROM's (touch it from Itje), but have came across what looks to be the best software going, it is the HTC magic software, i am thinking to get rid of my xperia and getting the HTC, unless there is some amazing person who will be able to copy it to a ROM for our xperia.
have a look at following page to see for yourself:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/overview.html
thank you in advance
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This is a phone with Andriod (Google's Mobile Phone OS) as OS system, so impossible to run on a Windows Mobile phone ..
FalkenX said:
This is a phone with Andriod (Google's Mobile Phone OS) as OS system, so impossible to run on a Windows Mobile phone ..
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Rubbish.
While we might not be there yet there is no technical reason why this is not achievable. We don't have drivers and specs and the like that are needed to do the job properly YET. There is nothing which fundamentally makes running Android/Linux impossible other than current lack of information.
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Rubbish.
While we might not be there yet there is no technical reason why this is not achievable. We don't have drivers and specs and the like that are needed to do the job properly YET. There is nothing which fundamentally makes running Android/Linux impossible other than current lack of information.
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Drivers and specs? Dude, please learn something about Andriod, its totally different as WM, so with a driver or some tweaks it is impossible to run on a WM phone, you would have to rebuild the whole os which isnt an opperation similar to cooking a rom..
have a read in the android dev forums. I think the SPL is different, but may be wrong. So i don't think it's as simple as just using an nbh (which is a pity).. The g1 is also a HTC device.. some of the guys on the G1 forums would explain exactly whether it was possible or not..
However there is continual development on building android for current devices, including a thread in this very forum.. See Xmoo for details..
Yeah, emulating another up-to-date OS...just think of all the the 15years old gameboy and NES-games that are still slow when they are emulated under Windows Mobile.
The only possibility would be to not emulate Android but boot it instead of Windows Mobile...but I don't think the hardware is built for this so you won't get everything to work as it's meant to be.
By the way...Android is ugly in my opinion.
i think it must be possible.....
cause the Magic has the same chipset like touch HD and so the hardware should be very similar.....
i know a guy who was flashing a symbian OS on an Sony ericsson W810i and it runs..... extremely slow but it runs.
i think the only thing would be the different display resolution...... and some driver things but i have no skills in programmng so dont ask me xD
Err...........
It is possible and even i the case of Vogue CDMA, most functions are working
Diamond and Raphael has managed to boot Android 1.0 and even get the radio working (though no bluetooth, wifi, 3G nor sound yet) so sending SMSs is possible and so is making calls, though you can't hear anything because there is no sound yet.
Blackstone also recently managed to fix the screen issue...
I'm sure there are more projects going on, but it's definitly possible to run Android on WM devices
Well I've got 1.0 booting on the x1.. Unfortunately I havent got the touchscreen working just yet... the onscreen keyboard does, not the screen.
I will work on it when I get a chance, but my linux box is at work, so experimenting is best when I get a chance there.
Screen colours are perfect, the screens still upside down though..
I'm still learning about how this works, but I'm learning quickly..
as to the talk of emulators, this isn't emulation..
Well it wasnt till sometime untill we had root
And from getting root, we were able to flash to a custom built ROM etc..
Also being able to use certain applications like Overclocker,Swapper,Mutitouch Browser and just stuff to make our customs built ROM's better then the stock
And now I'm wondering since we have acess to certain features like Multi Touch, Flash Player etc.
Howcome we don't take advantage of these features
(I'm not a dev or anything and I'm not forcing anyone to do anything at all)
I'm just saying howcome no one has been smart enoguh to do this
Or make a SDK spically suited for Rooted G1's
Why don't the developers of the ROM's and stuff make Games/Apps that can use these features, and then sell them to people who have rooted there G1's for cash.
I would sure fine myself buying these apps and so would (well im pretty sure everyone els) would to
But anyways if this was mentioned before sorry I haven't came across it so yeah
Because it's not that easy? lol
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so u talking like games that the iphone 3gs can handle idk if the g1 is powerful enough for that i know the 3gs has a nvidia graphics card built in ?? but that would be cool to get some games like that if we could just my 2cents
Exactly i'm pretty sure if they worked together or something
or someone dedicated there time to a SDK for rooted G1's
Or an App
They could come across something
If they could make a ROM
I think its very possible for them to make a app
they should have put a graphics card into g1 why not?? i mean just like Intel is gonna make a smart phone with android os they are putting there chip sets in it who knows we prolly will have to buy another phone for that kind of system just like the iphone user's did
are you kidding? have you ever been on the android market before? perhaps you've taken note of all of the apps marked FOR ROOT USERS ONLY, or perhaps the apps developed by people like meltus and lucidrem (who happen to be developers here).
its amazing, no matter what anyone does for people (for FREE, i might add), its never quite enough. so heres a question for YOU:
if its that big of a deal to you, why not learn up and develop them yourself?
The only kinds of apps that really require root are low level utilities, like those mentioned by kusotare... and there are TONS of them. A few are on the market, many are not since the market mainly caters to the typical consumer who doesn't go for root.
Things like GAMES don't need root, so why would you want to restrict them to rooted phones?
Last 2 posters said it all. And as far as flash games they are already out.
Hello all. This phone mainly got my attention because i read up that it can run android OS.
I am currently using a tmobile g1. the only reason i'm giving it up because tmobile won't let me use my cheap data plan with it. They want me to upgrade to an expensive one. (I had t-zones unlimited working on iphone for awhile)
So i decided to look into an at&t phone and hope that it can be unlocked and i can set up my t-zones internet on it as i did on the iphone (also from at&t)
Here are my questions:
1) Is it easy to unlock the htc tilt? Or do i get it unlocked from someone else?
2) Once loaded, does Android os have all its features on the HTC tilt?
3) Will I be able to set up EDGE with tmobile WHILE on android? (and will it work? lol)
Thanks everyone, i really appreciate ur help guys
jadi929 said:
Hello all. This phone mainly got my attention because i read up that it can run android OS.
I am currently using a tmobile g1. the only reason i'm giving it up because tmobile won't let me use my cheap data plan with it. They want me to upgrade to an expensive one. (I had t-zones unlimited working on iphone for awhile)
So i decided to look into an at&t phone and hope that it can be unlocked and i can set up my t-zones internet on it as i did on the iphone (also from at&t)
Here are my questions:
1) Is it easy to unlock the htc tilt? Or do i get it unlocked from someone else?
2) Once loaded, does Android os have all its features on the HTC tilt?
3) Will I be able to set up EDGE with tmobile WHILE on android? (and will it work? lol)
Thanks everyone, i really appreciate ur help guys
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Wow.
This is so silly on so many levels, but the overriding thing is this.. Android on the Tilt is a cute hack. No more than that. You gotta boot WM first, then Android. You have to kludge around to get voice and/or data to work in Android. It's not as stable as Android is natively. Some of the hardware doesn't work....
just.. no...
Yes, here's what I used: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375583
http://www.androidonhtc.com/kaiser/port_status, the camera is the only piece of hardware that isn't working at all, most others have partial or full capability. Wi-Fi is still experimental, and GPS is kind of tempermental.
Yes, once SIM unlocked, you should be able to set up and use APN's through config.txt/startup.txt, and Android itself.
However, keep in mind that Android is still not fully functional or stable, and you must boot Windows Mobile in order to run the Android bootloader. Android is still kind of beta, and may stay that way for a while. I don't currently think I could run Android full time on my device without any issues. So that's some stuff you need to think about before you buy a Kaiser just for running Android. In your situation, I personally wouldn't.
Dave
Yes, it is easy to unlock...
And jsut stick with WM, it just works better right now
khaytsus said:
Wow.
This is so silly on so many levels, but the overriding thing is this.. Android on the Tilt is a cute hack. No more than that. You gotta boot WM first, then Android. You have to kludge around to get voice and/or data to work in Android. It's not as stable as Android is natively. Some of the hardware doesn't work....
just.. no...
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I thought your response to his question was pretty silly..its a hack like u said so of course it isnt going to work with flying colors just yet..though im sure it's much better than you picture in your head. There even more advantages of booting from SD card we can run the hero rom nearly as much as hero itself. Plus more androids phone will support our qvga screen in the future.
Well i dont really like winmobile, maybe cuz i'v never really used it. i always thought it was for business ppl. anyway, thanks for ur help. can anyone recommend another phone?
jadi929 said:
Well i dont really like winmobile, maybe cuz i'v never really used it. i always thought it was for business ppl. anyway, thanks for ur help. can anyone recommend another phone?
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Dude, at some point you are going to have to bite the bullet, so to speak. With the increased capabilities of the phones to download greater amouts of info faster and faster, the carrier companies are going to charge or structure their data packages according to the amount of data you access as opposed to the time you spend " online ".
If you like android , then you need to stick with a phone the runs it natively, like your G1. To want to get rid of your G1, to buy a non android phone and then hack android on to it, is kind of " silly " despite what ajclai08 says and how " cool " it is to run Android on a phone that is not meant to run it.
You can spend the next month trying to fudge the phone you want with the OS you want , with a data package that violates your carrier's TOS, but in the end it " is " going to cost you and why be stuck with a phone and OS that you are unhappy with.
I have installed the SDK and Eclipse. I have created an AVD and run through the little tutorial. I can start the emulator using the (windows) command line. How do I run a "cooked" ROM in the emulator? If there is a better place to post this question, please let me know. I am particularly interested in the Hero (CDMA, Sprint).
The sdk emulator emulates an older ARMv5. I for one don't think it's very practical for developing custom roms on but it has been done before. I remember hearing a couple people saying they had Sense UI running on it. Cool but kind of pointless if you ask me. Anyways:
http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/emulator.html
has just about all the info you'll need to do it.
Speaking of emulators. I merged zen and emulator to get my name zenulator back when I messed around with console emulators for the ps1 and dreamcast. Before android took over
Zenulator,
Thanks for responding. That's exactly the page I was using. Can I simply replace userdata.img with the boot.img from the ROM? I'm just curious to see what the various ROM's will look and act like. (I do not yet have a smartphone; I've got a stupid one. My wife promised my a new phone when she upgrades hers, and the Hero looks really good to me.)
WarpSpeed said:
Zenulator,
Thanks for responding. That's exactly the page I was using. Can I simply replace userdata.img with the boot.img from the ROM? I'm just curious to see what the various ROM's will look and act like. (I do not yet have a smartphone; I've got a stupid one. My wife promised my a new phone when she upgrades hers, and the Hero looks really good to me.)
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Ah I see. I'd get the evo if your planning on buying a new smart phone.
Also no you cant just swap out parts from the roms postrd in the forums since the emulator runs off a yaffs system image and also it doesn't run a boot.img. It uses a separate kernel and ramdisk.
Zenulator,
Thanks again, particularly for preventing me from wasting my time over an impossible task. One cannot help lusting over the EVO. However, I carry my phone in my pocket, and the EVO might be a bit too big for that. Furthermore, I don't really use a phone all that much, so it's hard to justify the extra expense. I have suggested to my wife that she get one.
Are there any other emulators or virtualization techniques I might use to display a ROM's function on a computer monitor? Do those guys who create the ROMs simply try them out on their own phones, or do they have software which will allow them to first test their creations on the computer? I fiddle with Linux, and have used VMWare under Windows and Linux. Took a stab at Zen once, but didn't have the right hardware.
just an idea.. It wouldnt be hands on but you could youtube the different roms and see what they look like
Furthermore, I don't really use a phone all that much, so it's hard to justify the extra expense.
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Aw man, you would sooo use your phone 300x more if you had a smart phone of any kind, though I'm partial to Android ; ) . I can't remember what i did before my first BB.... Ahhhhh the memories.
Easily justifiable expense. LOL
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I used my phone like 20 minutes total throughout the day when I had a dumbphone.
My Hero gets used and abused hours each day.
You all are preaching to the choir! I want a new phone so bad that I can taste it. I've been scouring the forums, learning as much as I can, and I can hardly wait. The Hero looks just right for me, and I'm really looking forward to using an open file system. It looks like Sprint will be dropping the Hero soon (price is going down) and replacing it with a "Hero 2," apparently essentially the same thing as the htc Legend. We'll see. Anyone heard any other news?
I probably play more on my phone than I text or talk, but don't regret paying $25 more a month than I was with MetroPCS. I can't see myself paying nearly $100 a month just for the Evo as I am on a plan by myself.
This is not completly on topic, but there is the Android OS for computers. You think I could take the kernal and ramdisk, etc from the Hero and swap it out with the ones from the Android OS
http://gadgets.softpedia.com/news/How-To-Run-Google-039-s-Android-OS-On-Your-Windows-PC-3897-01.html
&RoidRage,
Thanks for the link. I followed it out and downloaded the complete iso. I will look inside it and play with it, maybe live, maybe virtualized. It might be fun to see if some components can be swapped out, though I doubt it will work.
Dual processors running at 1.5 GHz seems overkill for a cell phone, but then, that's why we're here.
Hi all
I'm trying to load a ROM into the emulator, how can I do that ?
Kcarpenter said:
Aw man, you would sooo use your phone 300x more if you had a smart phone of any kind, though I'm partial to Android ; ) . I can't remember what i did before my first BB.... Ahhhhh the memories.
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seriously, my dumbphone was on like 20 minutes a day
and my hero is overused easily (especially in class)
how i run roms that dont have the system.img ?
Hi, i am a relative noob to android phones, but my gf went and got herself a LG Optimus(swift) and i have decided i would quite like an android device aswell. However as much as i like her touchscreen, i cant use it as a typing device due to a little medical problem, so i thought the hard keyboard would be great, but the G1 does not have alot of features and is limited. I recently found out that you can "root" a device and install newer versions of Android, would this give the phone more features than it initially had?
thanks for any help you might be able to offer, i have tried to find out on google but i have not been able to find anything out, its rather infuriating LOL
thanks again,
Bullitmagnet
Look in wiki on this forum. If you want me to throw you a link let me know
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