I'm a bit confused on what the differences are between the 3 and when you'd want one over the other. I could figure out the 2nd half of the question if it was more clear the first half.
Here is what I think I've gleaned:
ClockWork backs up my ROM ...does it do installed apps too? does it grab user data? Is it the one stop recover from my own stupidity app?
Titanium backs up installed apps and their settings?
nandroid...no clue really
It would be nice to put this into a wiki
Peter
Clockwork is the ROM manager flash to your phone to allow you to get into the restore mod.
Nandroid is the backup of your entire phone at that time.
Titanium backsup your apps and app data.
Backing up your ROM is like a restore point on a computer, you reload that and your phone is back to the way it was at that point. Titanium allows you to back up your apps and reinstall all backups/app data/ or just some. Whatever your preference.
wow, I didn't think I was confused, but i guess I am now.
I understand Titanium app+data backup. No Q's there.
But as for ROM Manager, I've always been under the impression that when I choose the "Backup Current ROM" option within ROM Manager, I was performing a full image backup of the phone. Is this not the case? If not, what exactly am I backing up? As the OP inquired, what is the difference between this and the nandroid b/u?
You are correct - ROM Manager, is the big tool that encompasses the others. It uses NANdroid to do a full backup - everything. It is more of a disk image then a restore point.
You use ROM Manager to boot into a special menu that gives you NANdroid and NANdroid has access to the entire ROM and Data to back everything up.
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Howto:_Nandroid_Backup
I have been trying to sort this out in my mind as well. I think this is the case (someone please correct if wrong):
nandroid, whether done from within CWM or Rom Manager, essentially makes an image backup of your whole phone--perhaps not technically as an "image," but the end effect is the same. If you restore a nandroid backup, you get your whole phone back exactly as it was when the backup was made.
LATER: Soccer_Dad said that nandroid does not include the modem and kernel.
TitaniumBackup depends a bit on what you select at the time the backup is made, but mostly is used to backup apps and (apps data???), although it can do more than that. Typically, it is used to restore your apps back onto a phone after flashing a new ROM.
If those are correct, I have a question still--how do you backup and restore your homescreens or desktop icons? I presume they would be included in a nandroid backup, but if you do a ROM and TitaniumBackup restore, is there an easy way to get all your app icons back onto the right screen panels?
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I have been trying to sort this out in my mind as well. I think this is the case (someone please correct if wrong):
nandroid, whether done from within CWM or Rom Manager, essentially makes an image backup of your whole phone--perhaps not technically as an "image," but the end effect is the same. If you restore a nandroid backup, you get your whole phone back exactly as it was when the backup was made.
TitaniumBackup depends a bit on what you select at the time the backup is made, but mostly is used to backup apps and (apps data???), although it can do more than that. Typically, it is used to restore your apps back onto a phone after flashing a new ROM.
If those are correct, I have a question still--how do you backup and restore your homescreens or desktop icons? I presume they would be included in a nandroid backup, but if you do a ROM and TitaniumBackup restore, is there an easy way to get all your app icons back onto the right screen panels?
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Quick answer would be to backup the data of your launcher. I personaly use ADW Ex and whenever I restore it after a flash, it all comes back the way it was (beside wallpaper which isn't all too hard to change )
movrshakr said:
I have been trying to sort this out in my mind as well. I think this is the case (someone please correct if wrong):
nandroid, whether done from within CWM or Rom Manager, essentially makes an image backup of your whole phone--perhaps not technically as an "image," but the end effect is the same. If you restore a nandroid backup, you get your whole phone back exactly as it was when the backup was made.
TitaniumBackup depends a bit on what you select at the time the backup is made, but mostly is used to backup apps and (apps data???), although it can do more than that. Typically, it is used to restore your apps back onto a phone after flashing a new ROM.
If those are correct, I have a question still--how do you backup and restore your homescreens or desktop icons? I presume they would be included in a nandroid backup, but if you do a ROM and TitaniumBackup restore, is there an easy way to get all your app icons back onto the right screen panels?
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With Titanium backup select your homescreen app and backup app + data. Widgets will have to be reapplied but apps and icons should be all there when you restore.
*Cm7 Nook*
movrshakr said:
I have been trying to sort this out in my mind as well. I think this is the case (someone please correct if wrong):
nandroid, whether done from within CWM or Rom Manager, essentially makes an image backup of your whole phone--perhaps not technically as an "image," but the end effect is the same. If you restore a nandroid backup, you get your whole phone back exactly as it was when the backup was made.
TitaniumBackup depends a bit on what you select at the time the backup is made, but mostly is used to backup apps and (apps data???), although it can do more than that. Typically, it is used to restore your apps back onto a phone after flashing a new ROM.
If those are correct, I have a question still--how do you backup and restore your homescreens or desktop icons? I presume they would be included in a nandroid backup, but if you do a ROM and TitaniumBackup restore, is there an easy way to get all your app icons back onto the right screen panels?
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In case you are a flashaholic, the nandroid backup gets everything...except the modem and kernel. If you flash a bunch, and then restore an earlier nandroid backup, you could end up with some incompatibilities. I rename my backups (found in the clockworkmod directory on your sdcard) with date.rom.kernel.modem, so I know how to get a true restore (and I keep a flashable copy of the kernel and modem on my PC so I don't have to search for those in XDA, since the site is always undergoing maintenance at 10 pm PDT).
I use that a bunch, to go back to a perfectly functional Serendipity after testing out other mods/roms/etc. You will want to back up and store current tasks, calendar items, contacts, call logs, sms, etc. before your restore, to update the old rom with your recent calls/texts/etc.
Thanks. Nice additional explanation. I did not know that nandroid did not do modem and kernel. (Is there something that does?)
Will modify my previous post for future readers.
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What some best practices that have been established in regards to using Clockwork Rom Manager's Nandroid backup along with Titanium Backup of all user apps + system data?
Seems each time I update to a newer ROM/Firmware, then restore using Titanium backup the PDA version changes as seen in *#1234#
Curious to know how everyone else is using the backup apps that are available for this device.
I just backup all user apps, I dont backup system data.
I always make a nandroid backup if im going to flash anything,.,.....and once i get a rom set up to my liking, then i make a backup of that as well.
This looks like something that should be a sticky just to keep a formal standardized process people can refer to when getting into flashing new firmware or trying new ROMS.
Thank you!
I did a backup with Titanium Backup and then flashed to Cognition 3.04.
I had some memos saved that I would like to restore. Is it safe to restore the Memo 1.0 app from the backup, which I assume would also restore the data, or does Froyo incorporate a newer version of the Memo app? Alternately, is there any way to restore just the data?
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I did a backup with Titanium Backup and then flashed to Cognition 3.04.
I had some memos saved that I would like to restore. Is it safe to restore the Memo 1.0 app from the backup, which I assume would also restore the data, or does Froyo incorporate a newer version of the Memo app? Alternately, is there any way to restore just the data?
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It is safe to restore the app. Doing so would also restore the data. You can also just restore the data using titanium backup. Go to the backup/restore list in the app, find that app, click on it, and choose restore data only. However, the memo app is a system app, which titanium backup might have ignored. Check the app list to see if there is anything there for the memo app. Whatever you do, do NOT use the batch mode to restore the system data as a whole. You'll bork the rom to the point of having to reflash.
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Whatever you do, do NOT use the batch mode to restore the system data as a whole. You'll bork the rom to the point of having to reflash.
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Yes I found that out the hard way on my first flash when I used batch restore, so I redid it and was very careful to restore only the items I really needed this time, hence my question about the memos. When I clicked on that app in Titanium Backup I didn't see an option to restore the data only, just the whole Memos 1.0 app.
I do remember when I first did the batch restore all my original memos were restored, so Titanium Backup didn't ignore it, but the Memo app itself was locking up intermittently after that. But then so were other things on the phone so I don't know if that was due to restoring the Memo app itself, or just a side effect of having restored other incompatible system files causing general overall issues.
I'm loving Cognition but would rather not have to reflash it again for a stupid restore error, as the process is a bit of a hassle. Do we know for sure if the Memos app in Froyo/Cognition is still Memos v1.0?
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Yes I found that out the hard way on my first flash when I used batch restore, so I redid it and was very careful to restore only the items I really needed this time, hence my question about the memos. When I clicked on that app in Titanium Backup I didn't see an option to restore the data only, just the whole Memos 1.0 app.
I do remember when I first did the batch restore all my original memos were restored, so Titanium Backup didn't ignore it, but the Memo app itself was locking up intermittently after that. But then so were other things on the phone so I don't know if that was due to restoring the Memo app itself, or just a side effect of having restored other incompatible system files causing general overall issues.
I'm loving Cognition but would rather not have to reflash it again for a stupid restore error, as the process is a bit of a hassle. Do we know for sure if the Memos app in Froyo/Cognition is still Memos v1.0?
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I THINK you'll be fine (GRAIN OF SALT!). When you click on the Memos v1.0 to restore, it will prompt you and say something like restoring only data, which is what you want. If it sayS something else, then don't go through with it.
When I went to restore it this time I got the option to restore data after all, and it worked fine. And it looks like the Memo app is still at v1.0 in Cognition.
Thanks for the replies.
I'm new to rooting. Just got my moto droid (1) rooted yesterday using superoneclick. Worked Flawlessly. I've installed barnacle wifi teather utilizing my newely establish root 'superuser'.
I've been reading up on custom roms, removing bloatware, ect and am anxious to give it all a go HOWEVER first things first, I need to make a copy/backup of my stock phone's rom right?
I need to be rooted to make a backup right?
Now I've heard about nandroid and titanium back. From what I've gathered titanium backs up all ur apps and there settings to reintall after flashing a new rom,...right? (Since flashin wipes internal memory)
I think, Nandroid is needed for installing new/custom roms and/or reverting back to my stock rom.....nandroid is a program correct?
Am I following this correctly?
Id really appreciate your time to answer my elemenatry questions.
Thanks!
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Basically, nandroid is a disc image.
You can restore your entire OS quite quickly.
Titanium is simply a very good program for backing up your apps along with data so all your settings are saved.
Restoring with titanium can take a long time though since each app gets installed one by one - and that's when it is working properly. For me, it just keeps closing itself after restoring a singe app.
I haven't seen it recommended but I HIGHLY recommend SuperManager for for backing up and restoring. It doesn't ask any questions. It just puts all your stuff back and it doesn't crash.
So I use SM for restoring the whole shot, and Titanium when I'm being more selective.
if you use nandroid to backup then after you have flashed your new ROM then you can put the nandroid files in the sd/openrecovery/nandroid/ folder, boot into open recovery and pick the nandroid files to install.
I got super manager and backed up my apps to sd card.
Next I got rom manager...now my problem is I cannot get rom manager to back up my stock rom. Flashed the clockworkmod via rom manager and tried booting into recovery,..I only get stock recovery.
Went back into rom manager and flashed the alternative recovery SPRecovery, still no luck booting into an aftermarket recovery.
What the heck am I doing wrong?
Thanks in advance.
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I haven't gotten ROM Manager to work consistently, but I find that after a few attempts at booting into Clockwork Recovery, it'll eventually go through. Maybe someone can point out a way to make the process take less time.
Got up this morning and thought id try again.
Flashed the clockwork recovery then instantly hit reboot in recovery and voila!! It worked! Weird tho. Made my first nandroid.
Does anyone have a suggestion on what rom to give a try for a motorola droid (1)?
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kmcgill88 said:
Got up this morning and thought id try again.
Flashed the clockwork recovery then instantly hit reboot in recovery and voila!! It worked! Weird tho. Made my first nandroid.
Does anyone have a suggestion on what rom to give a try for a motorola droid (1)?
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If you want 2.2 you should try CM6 or Froyomod 2.5.0
If you want 2.3 you should try Shadowmodbrv.2.3.2 build 3. It's the fastest rom i've tried so far....or CM7 which works quite good.
On all of these roms the battery life is really good...Many people say that their battery life sucks with custom roms but actually they havent had their battery status calibrated correctly. For example, the battery percentage shows 30%, when actually it has 60%.
Search on the forums about calibrating yours if you want...
Hope I've been helpful...
Cheers, vladstercr!
vladstercr said:
If you want 2.2 you should try CM6 or Froyomod 2.5.0
If you want 2.3 you should try Shadowmodbrv.2.3.2 build 3. It's the fastest rom i've tried so far....or CM7 which works quite good.
On all of these roms the battery life is really good...Many people say that their battery life sucks with custom roms but actually they havent had their battery status calibrated correctly. For example, the battery percentage shows 30%, when actually it has 60%.
Search on the forums about calibrating yours if you want...
Hope I've been helpful...
Cheers, vladstercr!
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I've heard the CM name around a lot. When I go into rom manager I see the CM 6 but I'm still lil nervous to give it a shot. This is my only phone. Soo,....maybe a few more tutorials to review the process once more..just cuz
Now when I flash, say, CM6 I don't need to worry about root or superuser permission anymore do I?
Also what apps, if any, will be pre installed with CM6? (I have backed up my apps with super manager)
I really appreciate everyones help! THANK YOU!
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Since you did a nandroid, you have very little to worry about.
But, just to be super safe, you can copy the nandroid to your computer.
If anything goes wrong, you have an instant restore handy.
About Super Manager - I forgot to mention that to save all your user data along with your apps and to also have a quick restore process, back up using the smbk option.
When you flash CM6, you will stay rooted and be overclocked to 900 mhz.
There is no bloat installed with CM6 but all the essentials are there.
I don't know anything about ROM Manager stuff because I can't use it on my Milestone.
vladstercr said:
If you want 2.2 you should try CM6 or Froyomod 2.5.0
If you want 2.3 you should try Shadowmodbrv.2.3.2 build 3. It's the fastest rom i've tried so far....or CM7 which works quite good.
On all of these roms the battery life is really good...Many people say that their battery life sucks with custom roms but actually they havent had their battery status calibrated correctly. For example, the battery percentage shows 30%, when actually it has 60%.
Search on the forums about calibrating yours if you want...
Hope I've been helpful...
Cheers, vladstercr!
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is this the shadwmod you're referring to? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=939555
will this work for the droid 1 (as long as i flash the proper baseband)? i've tried a fair # of gb builds but not this one and wanna give it a shot. thanks
I've had a few questions about nandroid. So far I do a full back up so I can revert if a new ROM is playing up. If I decide to stick with a new ROM, can I just restore elements of that full backup to get my data (I.e. texts, call logs and apps) back? Or is it all or nothing?
At the moment I just put up with starting fresh but it would be helpful to retain some of that data. (I'm getting bored starting angry birds over and over again!)
Cheers
S
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skribzy said:
I've had a few questions about nandroid. So far I do a full back up so I can revert if a new ROM is playing up. If I decide to stick with a new ROM, can I just restore elements of that full backup to get my data (I.e. texts, call logs and apps) back? Or is it all or nothing?
At the moment I just put up with starting fresh but it would be helpful to retain some of that data. (I'm getting bored starting angry birds over and over again!)
Cheers
S
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nandroid is only useful for a FULL restore of your entire phone's state. it backs up everything in IMG format, and then re-flashes it *in whole* in the event of a restore. so, short answer, no... you can't restore bits and pieces from a nandroid backup.
HOWEVER, Titanium Backup is my app of choice for backing up applications and app data (because no one should have to start over at angry birds!). The donate/Pro app is TOTALLY worth the few bucks, and it's very easy to use.
To use Titanium Backup: download from market (i really suggest the Pro version), click "Batch" then "backup user apps". When you start fresh with a new ROM, cancel all your active downloads, re-download Titanium Backup from the market and select batch>restore missing apps + app data. This way you restore the data associated with your apps, but not a previous ROMs system data. If you are unable to cancel your downloads, there is also a batch method to uninstall all backed up apps, that way you can make sure that you install your backup and not a "fresh" copy from the market.
A quick note about angry birds using Titanium Backup on GB -- with most GB ROMs, Angry Birds will install by default to the sdcard. They, however, will not run on the sdcard. As soon as you've done a restore using Titanium, just go to Settings>Applications>Manage Applications, and click Angry Birds and select "Move to Phone". Then you should be good
vuarnet said:
nandroid is only useful for a FULL restore of your entire phone's state. it backs up everything in IMG format, and then re-flashes it *in whole* in the event of a restore. so, short answer, no... you can't restore bits and pieces from a nandroid backup.
HOWEVER, Titanium Backup is my app of choice for backing up applications and app data (because no one should have to start over at angry birds!). The donate/Pro app is TOTALLY worth the few bucks, and it's very easy to use.
To use Titanium Backup: download from market (i really suggest the Pro version), click "Batch" then "backup user apps". When you start fresh with a new ROM, cancel all your active downloads, re-download Titanium Backup from the market and select batch>restore missing apps + app data. This way you restore the data associated with your apps, but not a previous ROMs system data. If you are unable to cancel your downloads, there is also a batch method to uninstall all backed up apps, that way you can make sure that you install your backup and not a "fresh" copy from the market.
A quick note about angry birds using Titanium Backup on GB -- with most GB ROMs, Angry Birds will install by default to the sdcard. They, however, will not run on the sdcard. As soon as you've done a restore using Titanium, just go to Settings>Applications>Manage Applications, and click Angry Birds and select "Move to Phone". Then you should be good
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thanks very much for such useful advice!
skribzy said:
At the moment I just put up with starting fresh but it would be helpful to retain some of that data. (I'm getting bored starting angry birds over and over again!)
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I have found that TitaniumPro doesn't always restore setting properly. Sometimes you have to go into the individual app and do a manual restore. I am not sure why this is, but just FYI.
mfratto said:
I have found that TitaniumPro doesn't always restore setting properly. Sometimes you have to go into the individual app and do a manual restore. I am not sure why this is, but just FYI.
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titanium CAN restore system settings / apps, but it's a little bit of a different process to make sure that you don't restore a previous ROM's data, which can cause some pretty serious instabilities if done improperly.
here are some How-Tos for using Titanium Backup: http://www.moddedlogic.com/pe/howto.php
these methods are a little more advanced, and if done improperly can cause instability. these methods can be used in conjunction with restoring "missing apps + app data" like i mentioned above.
skribzy said:
I've had a few questions about nandroid. So far I do a full back up so I can revert if a new ROM is playing up. If I decide to stick with a new ROM, can I just restore elements of that full backup to get my data (I.e. texts, call logs and apps) back? Or is it all or nothing?
At the moment I just put up with starting fresh but it would be helpful to retain some of that data. (I'm getting bored starting angry birds over and over again!)
Cheers
S
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Its neither. Its both. You can't pluck ur call log txt ect data from a nandroid to my knowledge.
I'm new to this but I have the understanding a nandroid is a snapshot of EXACTLY everything you have on your phone, including txt, call log,ect. So as I'm sure you've read its always suggested to creat a nandroid of your original rom before installing a custom rom. Then u can go back in time if need be.
As for restoring your data after installing a new rom you need to backup your apps, I used super manager via smbk file, once you install the new rom go to market (or its pry saved in sd still) reinstall super manager and use the restore button to reinstall all your apps in one fell swoop.
Contacts, calendar, and email r on the google cloud so that will auto resync once u sign into your phone. I still lost my txt, call log, ect but I didn't care about that.
Now that u have your apps back and get a few settings confgured i decided to make a nandroid of my newly installed Rom just in case I F something up and can't figure out how to g back. With the new nandroid created I can revert back to my stock rom or modded rom annd all apps & data will be exactly how I left it.
Hope that helps.
Anyone plz feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
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Its neither. Its both. You can't pluck ur call log txt ect data from a nandroid to my knowledge.
I'm new to this but I have the understanding a nandroid is a snapshot of EXACTLY everything you have on your phone, including txt, call log,ect. So as I'm sure you've read its always suggested to creat a nandroid of your original rom before installing a custom rom. Then u can go back in time if need be.
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It's *possible* but not easy. Nandroid is a **disk image** (.img file) backup, not a file-by-file backup/file dump. While it's *possible* to dissect it and flash bits and pieces, it would be quite advanced since it would have to be flashed using adb or a terminal emulator ...and even then i'm not sure it would actually work without running the full binary scripts from the recovery restore processes. And even if you did get the binaries to run and flash the .img files to the right places, you would run the possibility that the old data would be incompatible with your current ROM / system.
You can unpack the img file in linux if you know how and push pieces of it using adb shell, but that's still sort of going out of your way for something relatively simple. To unpack an .img file in linux:
# Make a directory where you want the file mounted:
sudo mkdir /image
# Then mount the image on the directory:
sudo mount -o loop /path/to/file.img /image
# Then you could open the directory with nautilus:
nautilus /image
# When you're done, unmount the img:
sudo unmount /image
Nandroid is a backup of a STATE of your phone, not pieces. To backup apps and data, just use a program, there are a bunch out there. You can also do as I do and pull /system and /data from your phone and backup to your computer. You will need the android sdk though. Just connect via USB and make sure USB Debugging is enabled (settings>applications>development) and run in terminal:
cd [android sdk directory/platform-tools/]
adb devices
(make sure your device shows up)
adb pull /system [local directory]
adb pull /data [local directory]
voila. you now have copies of your /data and /system folders on your computer. you can even do your whole internal storage if you want and can create the proper permissions. however, as a caveat, these will not restore a broken system to stable state like a nandroid will, it's pretty much just for restoring individual apps if you lose them or delete something.
bottom line: nandroid is great for what it's intended for. outside of that, there are reasons why there are backup tools / apps for backing up pieces of your ROM. use them each for what they're intended and you'll be good. nandroid backup/restore is like 3 clicks. same for app restore programs. use the appropriate tools for the appropriate jobs and you'll be juuuuust fine.
EDIT: it's also possible to do an advanced nandroid restore of a certain partition, but it's *highly* advisable not to in almost all circumstances. it will most likely screw up more stuff than it fixes. it's really only helpful if the backup and your current ROM are the exact same.
for instance, if I have a nandroid backup of CM6, and i screw something up in my /data folder, and i'm still running the same version of CM6, then i could advanced nandroid my /data partition back in recovery. outside of that, it's pretty much useless and would do more harm than good.
Hi
I'm sorry to jump in in the discussion like this but reading this discussion confused me a little regarding a possible usage of a nandroid backup.
Given the fact that this type of backup is a full image of the system, can I transfer this backup on another motorola droid and restore it also on there? Or each nandroid is associated to a specific phone (even if the model is the same)?
Thank you so much!
No a nandroid wouldn't necessarily be phone specific.
But it would be OS specific.
There would likely be problems if you restored a CM6 rom (froyo) on a phone that still has eclair on it.
zeppelinrox said:
No a nandroid wouldn't necessarily be phone specific.
But it would be OS specific.
There would likely be problems if you restored a CM6 rom (froyo) on a phone that still has eclair on it.
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it's not necessarily "phone" specific, but it is *device* specific. you wouldn't be able to use a Droid nandroid on a Droid X, for instance. The md5 sum check would fail.
so yes, you would be able to restore a nandroid restore on a backup that you manually moved onto another phone, as long as the device was the same (moto droid to moto droid).
Hello,
I've been running Perception 10.1 for quite a while now. There's really nothing wrong with it, I guess I'm just bored. I'm thinking about putting CM7 on my phone.
Everytime I've changed ROMs in the past I've tried to do a NAND backup with Rom Manager and everytime I install the new ROM on there and then I do a NAND restore, none of the apps come over with it and I usually have problems and crashes. So, to me, CWM is basically worthless. I have made tons of backups and not one single one of them restored without errors and crashes. Worst program ever.
So, now I have bought the Pro version of Titanium Backup. I'd like to do a full backup so that way when I finish the flashing process to get my new ROM on there, I can just use that to restore all my apps and settings. I'd hate to have to go and download all my apps all over again, I have over 100 on there now.
What type of backup should I do with Titanium Backup so that migrating to a new ROM and restoring is as seamless as possible?
Thanks!
derek4484 said:
Hello,
I've been running Perception 10.1 for quite a while now. There's really nothing wrong with it, I guess I'm just bored. I'm thinking about putting CM7 on my phone.
Everytime I've changed ROMs in the past I've tried to do a NAND backup with Rom Manager and everytime I install the new ROM on there and then I do a NAND restore, none of the apps come over with it and I usually have problems and crashes. So, to me, CWM is basically worthless. I have made tons of backups and not one single one of them restored without errors and crashes. Worst program ever.
So, now I have bought the Pro version of Titanium Backup. I'd like to do a full backup so that way when I finish the flashing process to get my new ROM on there, I can just use that to restore all my apps and settings. I'd hate to have to go and download all my apps all over again, I have over 100 on there now.
What type of backup should I do with Titanium Backup so that migrating to a new ROM and restoring is as seamless as possible?
Thanks!
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Go on Backup & restore, open the menu and select batch.
Run: Backup all user apps + system data.
Once you restore although, don't restore system data as it will mess up with your new ROM.
BWolf56 said:
Go on Backup & restore, open the menu and select batch.
Run: Backup all user apps + system data.
Once you restore although, don't restore system data as it will mess up with your new ROM.
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Ok, thanks. Let me ask you a question then... You say to run the batch backup all user apps + system data, but only run the restore user apps. Why? Is there a difference between doing it your way, and just running the batch backup user apps, then doing the batch restore user apps? What is the purpose of backing up system data, if its not going to be restored? Just curious why to backup the system data if not restoring it. I think I have read somewhere else to not restore the system data on the new ROM cause it'll cheese it up.
Titanium Backup seems like a powerful program, although I havent been able to find any user manual or really anywhere that details what all the options do.
if going between different roms dont do all system data only the green ones and user apps. not all system data is compatible between different frameworks and options
create a label for "my sys data" and assign the green ones to it.
make sure to have tibu backup its settings as well in the settings menu.
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Ok, thanks. Let me ask you a question then... You say to run the batch backup all user apps + system data, but only run the restore user apps. Why? Is there a difference between doing it your way, and just running the batch backup user apps, then doing the batch restore user apps? What is the purpose of backing up system data, if its not going to be restored? Just curious why to backup the system data if not restoring it. I think I have read somewhere else to not restore the system data on the new ROM cause it'll cheese it up.
Titanium Backup seems like a powerful program, although I havent been able to find any user manual or really anywhere that details what all the options do.
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Simply cause you want a full backup if u ever wanna go back to a certain ROM. Also, doing a full backup is safer, the program won't miss anything and when you restore your apps, you can restore your apps's data (which I personnaly love).
You don't have to backup your system data, I simply suggest it as you never know if you'll change your mind
I think backing up system data is just a precaution in case something goes wrong.
Trusselo said:
if going between different roms dont do all system data only the green ones and user apps.
create a label for "my sys data" and assign the green ones to it.
make sure to have tibu backup its settings as well in the settings menu.
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Trusselo, you're being too helpful lol - everywhere I try to help some1, you're right there doing so too
Love to see ppl with experience still helping the newbie with patience
Just back up user apps and data (also dialer storage for texts).
I never make full backups of my rom. Just Tibu backups for apps.
qwertyaas said:
Just back up user apps and data (also dialer storage for texts).
I never make full backups of my rom. Just Tibu backups for apps.
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@ OP - I believe it's up to you. Full backup is safer if something goes wrong but not necessary as mentionned by others. I do it cause I can
The only thing to remember, if that's what you decide to do, is to not restore system data if you flash a different ROM.
Ok, I got it. Thanks to you all.
For future reference, a NAND backup in CWM is not worthless, you are just using it wrong.
It is not meant to restore apps/data it is a complete image of your phone as it was when you took the backup. it is designed so that you can jump between roms easily by just restoring nandroids of your setups. it is not and dont think it was ever designed to 'restore apps' but restore the entire system. your problems before with it were likely because you were trying to go between 2.1 and 2.2 roms? a nandroid does not backup the kernel or modem so it makes it a little difficult to bounce between 2.1/2.2 etc there are ways, but its just easier to start fresh and restore a Titanium backup batch job
regarding Tibu and nandroid.
Full system / everything backup is good for backing up your system AS IS if you are going to mess around with what you have or try a rom for a few hours but want to go back to exactly how it was.
thats why the green ones are green in tibu its the bare minimum that will work across all roms.
@Bwolf56 - ya im on here alot. just finishing coming off comp for nearly taking my thumb right off.
i try to help. but get into crap often... still try to help regardless!
Something I've learned from flashing you can NEVER have too many backups.
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I am trying to restore all of my apps from my Nandroid backup.
The thing is after analyzing TWRP backup it is showing all the apps that needs to extract.
1. There is no smiley on the right side of the app list, Smiley indicates the app is already installed.
2. Select missing apps does nothing.
3. When I select a single app (for example Solid Explorer) to extract it says Processing 0% after few seconds everything closes and there is a notification "Batch restore finished." But the app never get installed I even tried rebooting the phone after the restore there is no app restored.
Can someone help me with this issue please.
I really need those apps from that Nandroid backup.
P.S. I even tried that Nandroid Manager, it only restores the app not the data.
I'm confused, if you use Titanium, why did you just backup your app data with Titanium?
I've never used the function to extract from nandroid. But it would seem to me, not as simple or reliable as just using Titanium to backup.
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I'm confused, if you use Titanium, why did you just backup your app data with Titanium?
I've never used the function to extract from nandroid. But it would seem to me, not as simple or reliable as just using Titanium to backup.
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The thing is I don't have a back up from Titanium and my phone got formatted while updating it and I only have a Nandroid backup so, I need to recover the apps from nandroid backup only.
Hope this clears it up.
ManikandanGuru said:
The thing is I don't have a back up from Titanium and my phone got formatted while updating it and I only have a Nandroid backup so, I need to recover the apps from nandroid backup only.
Hope this clears it up.
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Got it. I often will do a batch backup with Titanium, then copy the Titanium folder to my computer. Especially before updating, ROM flashing, etc. Maybe a lot of extra work (and some may consider it a bit paranoid) but it would have avoided the current situation. I don't completely trust the internal storage will not be wiped (even though it isn't "supposed" to be) and you see for good reason, in this case.
Never actually tried it, but restoring in Titanium from a nandroid seems tricky to me. Just adding more points of failure/complication.
If you try to install an app by other means (Play store, etc.) than restore app data only, does it work?
Another workaround (although convoluted) may be to restore the nandroid, either data only (may cause problems on the updated ROM, I know); or restore the whole thing and make a Titanium backup and then go back to the "updated" ROM. So yeah, like I said, convoluted. I would also consider making a nandroid of the current setup (to restore to as needed) before doing any of the above. Lots of steps I know, but a workaround, nonetheless.
I've definitely had to resort to restoring a nandroid, since I forgot to backup apps with Titanium. So flip flopping back and forth, backing up and restoring with Titanium, etc. Yes, it's a pain, but it works.
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Got it. I often will do a batch backup with Titanium, then copy the Titanium folder to my computer. Especially before updating, ROM flashing, etc. Maybe a lot of extra work (and some may consider it a bit paranoid) but it would have avoided the current situation. I don't completely trust the internal storage will not be wiped (even though it isn't "supposed" to be) and you see for good reason, in this case.
Never actually tried it, but restoring in Titanium from a nandroid seems tricky to me. Just adding more points of failure/complication.
If you try to install an app by other means (Play store, etc.) than restore app data only, does it work?
Another workaround (although convoluted) may be to restore the nandroid, either data only (may cause problems on the updated ROM, I know); or restore the whole thing and make a Titanium backup and then go back to the "updated" ROM. So yeah, like I said, convoluted. I would also consider making a nandroid of the current setup (to restore to as needed) before doing any of the above. Lots of steps I know, but a workaround, nonetheless.
I've definitely had to resort to restoring a nandroid, since I forgot to backup apps with Titanium. So flip flopping back and forth, backing up and restoring with Titanium, etc. Yes, it's a pain, but it works.
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Yeah, whatever you said were true and I used to do your method couple of years back and all of my recurring dirty flashes went without any issues and I completely ignored the Titanium backup and went with the Nandroid backup only.
About this thread I got tired and installed all the apps from play store
More than 100 apps I think. Lot of work but a great lesson. I am going to make a Titanium Backup before every update from now on.
Thanks for the reply buddy. :good::good:
if it doesnt work with TB you can just restore your nandroid and then take the backups with TB.
maybe still easier than reconfiguring 100 of apps.
I actually can't restore my nandroid backup successfully.
When it's restored, the screen won't come on (all black) but recovery works and what's weirder is, that when I hold the pwr button, the icons for 'turn off' and 'reboot' come up, but I can't see the wallpaper, no lockscreen, nothing
Installed OS from scratch and now I'm trying to recover all my apps from the nandroid backup without messing it up again
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I want to chime in for anyone who arrives from google search: I had the same problem.
The solution? Install the APKs first, be it from Google Play or manually, and then restore only data from the nandroid. That worked for me.
SOLUTION (working on lineage 14): restore apps with Nandroid Manager and restore data with Titanium Backup.
Just so everyone is on the same page:
Nandroid Manager only seems to be able to recover Apps, but hangs on Data.
Titanium Backup can recover both, but the button to select Missing Apps doesn't work.
B also requires that you copy your backup to the internal SD, or else it will not be discovered.
Fix: Select missing Apps in Nandoid Manager > restore only App > take a note of the apps that you restored > use Titanium Backup to restore the data.
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Fix: Select missing Apps in Nandoid Manager > restore only App > take a note of the apps that you restored > use Titanium Backup to restore the data.
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Since the app has been pulled from playstore and not being actively developed, do you think it still works? My phone went into a bootloop when restarting and I made a nandroid backup of data. I flashed the same rom again after clearing the system and data partion. I started the phone and booted up just fine. But when I went to twrp again to restore the data backup, it went into bootloop again. I want to extract and restore the data only for few apps, do you think this method would work?
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Since the app has been pulled from playstore and not being actively developed, do you think it still works? My phone went into a bootloop when restarting and I made a nandroid backup of data. I flashed the same rom again after clearing the system and data partion. I started the phone and booted up just fine. But when I went to twrp again to restore the data backup, it went into bootloop again. I want to extract and restore the data only for few apps, do you think this method would work?
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Yeah I think it will still work!
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I want to extract and restore the data only for few apps, do you think this method would work?
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I found this solution! "Automate individual app restores from an android TWRP backup" https://github.com/joshuabragge/twrp-manual-restore