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I realize that in an Android-centric forum branch, I risk cries of heresy, but looking at the specs for upcoming Windows Phone 7 phones, I'm wondering if it will be possible to port Windows Mobile 7 to the Nexus One.
Not knowing enough about ROM cooking, I am wondering if any devs have opinions on the feasibility of this.
I am NOT interested in opinions about Windows Mobile 7 by itself, or as compared to any other platform, Android or otherwise, so please don't bother posting "b-b-but WinMo sucks", etc.
Thanks in advance!
maxawesome said:
I realize that in an Android-centric forum branch, I risk cries of heresy, but looking at the specs for upcoming Windows Phone 7 phones, I'm wondering if it will be possible to port Windows Mobile 7 to the Nexus One.
Not knowing enough about ROM cooking, I am wondering if any devs have opinions on the feasibility of this.
I am NOT interested in opinions about Windows Mobile 7 by itself, or as compared to any other platform, Android or otherwise, so please don't bother posting "b-b-but WinMo sucks", etc.
Thanks in advance!
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Almost impossible since WP7 isn't open source.
(And it's not finished yet anyway.)
Also, Windows Mobile 7 =/= Windows Phone 7
My understanding is that Windows Phone 7 is to the WinMo platform what Centrino is to Intel-based notebooks, i.e. a set of required hardware to guarantee a certain experience.
Windows Mobile 7 (as in the OS itself) has been ported to the HTC HD2, right?
I just wondered if the same might not be possible now that the WinMo 7 SDK is out (not in final form, I know, but still...)??
winmo 7 won't run on hd2
timothydonohue said:
winmo 7 won't run on hd2
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Ok, in that case, what about dual-booting an Android phone to run WinMo 6.5?
I've seen articles on some bootloader that will let you dual boot WinMo 6.5 and Android from a WinMo phone. Is it possible to do the same on an Android handset?
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Ok, in that case, what about dual-booting an Android phone to run WinMo 6.5?
I've seen articles on some bootloader that will let you dual boot WinMo 6.5 and Android from a WinMo phone. Is it possible to do the same on an Android handset?
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It's a hell of a lot easier to port Android to a WinMo phone due to the fact that it's open source (hell, it's even been ported to iphone).
Getting any version of WinMo ported to Android would probably be possible, but incredibly difficult.
Ah, good point I hadn't thought of. I guess I just figured that even though WinMo isn't open source, enough of the hardware is common between devices these days so that drivers baked into WinMo would just work. Showing my novice, obviously.
I own a Samsung Galaxy SII T-989 and, because I come from the "Windows" side rather than Linux or Apple, I would like to be able to completely wipe out the Gingerbred ROM that came with the phone and install a "cooked" ROM based on Windows Mobile 7 or, at least Windows Mobile 6.5.
I am hoping that, all those great developers connected to this site and spending so much time on cooking roms and rooting android phones, maybe one day they would look into this project that will become, I am sure, the greatest challenge, the pinnacle of all great things ever accomplished and recorded on this amazing forum.
I'm sure that nobody will bother:
1) It's going to prove VERY complicated, to say the least. Without "inside job" with the drivers, just plain impossible.
2) It's useless. If you're after Windows Phone 7 phones - just go and buy yourself one. Installing Android on it will be much easier than the other way around, and most probably it was already done.
Because of both of the points, it won't happen. There are reasonable challenges, and there are oh-so-stupid ones. And people mostly have lives. So if I were you, I wouldn't hold on to the hope, and would just go out and buy WinPhone 7.
Specifically for point 1: Microsoft certifies all the HW that is licensed to work with their OS, and all the drivers are made ONLY for this HW, and not for anything else. VERY CPU- and board-specific. Seeing that you have a Samsung phone, which doesn't have this HW or anything like it, I'd say that the chances of hell freezing over are higher than your phone getting Win7 port. Well, at least until your specific CPU (which happens, unlike most other SGS2 ones, to be of the "right" brand for Win7 phones) and phone motherboard (which might never become a base for Win7 phone) gets certified and has drivers done for it - happens only if exactly the same base will be used for Win7 phone - and Microsoft outsourcing them. I'd bet my money on hell freezing over
Good day,
I am wondering about alternate OSes on Captivate. I know this won't happen for a long while, but what are the odds of:
- Linux (perhaps Ubuntu, as this has been ported to the Nexus One)
- Bada (due to similarities with the Wave phone also by Samsung)
and, to the chagrin of many posters here,
- Windows Mobile 6 (or 7?)
Is there any chance some or all of these will be ported to the Captivate? I know Windows Mobile sucks, and I love Android, but the idea of experimentation is exciting to me. No flames please. (Ok, just one flame, no more than that.)
YOU SUCK!!!!
Yay i got the one flame.
Since afaik there is no ports of any of these oSes to any android phone with similar hardware(*note very similar) it would be a much more challenging job than just porting lets say the linux on the nexus.
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YOU SUCK!!!!
Yay i got the one flame.
Since afaik there is no ports of any of these oSes to any android phone with similar hardware(*note very similar) it would be a much more challenging job than just porting lets say the linux on the nexus.
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interestingly, the leaked shots of the GT-i8700 looks a LOT like the GT-i9000 (4" SAMOLED screen, front and rear cameras, etc). and considering samsung's affinity for taking the same hardware, tweaking it, and releasing it as a new phone (the Galaxy S line is a GREAT example of this)... it's very possible this is just a Galaxy S phone running windows phone 7... and if that's true, I imagine it'll be like how the HD2 can run android except the other way around...
but the possibility for that is WAY off
The only issue i see of a quick port of Windows to a Samsung Android phone is that MS requires a certain button config - they have in the past. If this doesn't match up with a Galaxy S android phone, then it could porting more difficult.
alphadog00 said:
The only issue i see of a quick port of Windows to a Samsung Android phone is that MS requires a certain button config - they have in the past. If this doesn't match up with a Galaxy S android phone, then it could porting more difficult.
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windows phone 7 requires 3 physical buttons: a "search", a "windows", and a "back" button
we have four buttons (they're not required to be physical buttons), so capacitive counts. and, like I said, the GT-i8700 looks to be almost a near identical beast except running windows
Is there any cooked windows mobile ROM for this phone, i9000?
does anyone know if Samsung will release ROMs for Galaxy with WM7?
This doesn't make any sense. Why would on install wm on the GS? Just get an HD2 or wait for a WM7 device.
Lol this is too funny.
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The problem is you are not likely to find support for anyone doing this for 2 main reasons.
1) Most people prefer Android.
2) It would be illegal, Windows Mobile has a licencing fee that was not paid for with your phone. (You see Android ports on WM phones because Android is free, it isn't allowed the other way around)
So you should not maintain any hope that it will never happen.
Samsung has other phones in the works that will support Windows mobile. They've just announced a blackberry styled windows mobile at the commincaAsia conference this year.
I highly doubt their windows mobile line will come any where close to what their Galaxy (Android) family.
h_bekhit said:
Is there any cooked windows mobile ROM for this phone, i9000?
does anyone know if Samsung will release ROMs for Galaxy with WM7?
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Cooked windows mobile ROM for Galaxy S i9000 will be performed in the future.
Can't believe that people still wants Windows mobile, I'm currently stuck with windows mobile and i get frustrated every day. Waiting for my Galaxy S to arrive =)
Like to microsoft use the the galaxy s as a test device for wm7?
Like how they are doing with the i8910 Omnia HD.
I think it would be interesting to see how it performs with the hardware in the SGS. I do miss some of me apps on me Touch hd which is why I've kept it, tomtom for 1 and its easier to get flash support (cant wait for Froyo).
Also easier to change the system setting such as the bluetooth's minimum bitpool coz my sgs sounds rubbish in the car.
Wait for WM for SGS????
Wait for WM for SGS???? Don't hold your breath... LOL
(Running WM in SGS is like putting a "fiat punto" engine in a ferrari...)
Why would someone want something as outdated as WM? This OS is dead. WM7 is years behind Android...
I've been using WM for the last 7 years. My last WM phone was a Omnia 2 - The phone is great but I regret so much investing money in a device which OS is no longer supported by Microsoft... My only hope is Android for my WM phone.
Why you ask ? For the fun of it, of course !
Of course WM is outdated, but it's be "fun" to play with it on the Galaxy S, that's all ^^
Prot windows mobile 7 on i9000
Hi. I am makeing a new open boot loader for galaxy. Ill upload a source soon
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This should be interesting!
Can WinMo actually be ported to other devices? I read somewhere that this is next to impossible since WinMo is closed.
Im guessing youre not spamming. Since youre registered since 2007.
I wonder how to make all the drivers? Although I've heard rumors that a SGS similiar device is coming for win mo. 7 so those could be used I guess.
*sigh* Closed source probably isn't a problem. If anything, it can actually be a good thing sometimes. It only generally benefits those who want to modify the core of a system (because it isn't extendible enough), or security patches.
For instance, even on Windows, IFS allows EXT3/EXT4 drivers to be developed without Windows source code, and Microsoft have actually evolved past Linux in regards to backwards compatibility (you don't need to recompile their modules every kernel release).
What's important is that the OS is designed for ARM, and their driver development SDK is comprehensive enough. So is it?
Right now im just makeing open bootloader to make it actually run. Else for drivers and all we need more developers. And this will take time
As i have gone through loader can be run since i have access to read n write on nand.
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Where is it? I can't wait any more....
i would rather NOT run WM in my SGS
it'll defeat the whole purpose of getting the SGS
However if we can do Dual Boot, then it'll be intersting to play around with WM7 on the SGS
Since i have many programs that i still can't find replacement for in Android
it'll be handy to be able to Dual Boot to WM to run the old software
Now, before I get started I just want to say please don't yell at me going "WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU WANT THAT?" This is just a simple question:
Could it be possible to port WP7 onto the Nexus One? I noticed we have development for things like Ubuntu and Meego.
xxjoshuaaxx said:
Now, before I get started I just want to say please don't yell at me going "WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU WANT THAT?" This is just a simple question:
Could it be possible to port WP7 onto the Nexus One? I noticed we have development for things like Ubuntu and Meego.
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The difference is, OSes like Android, Meego and Ubuntu are all based on open-source Linux. That means we can try and squeeze them onto devices that weren't designed for it without running into huge legal repercussions, and if something is incompatible we can just recompile it with changes.
WP7 is closed-source and designed for specific hardware. I don't think it'd be easy, it definitely wouldn't be legal, and I don't think you'll find a lot of people here who care to see it happen anyway
cmstlist said:
The difference is, OSes like Android, Meego and Ubuntu are all based on open-source Linux. That means we can try and squeeze them onto devices that weren't designed for it without running into huge legal repercussions, and if something is incompatible we can just recompile it with changes.
WP7 is closed-source and designed for specific hardware. I don't think it'd be easy, it definitely wouldn't be legal, and I don't think you'll find a lot of people here who care to see it happen anyway
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Add in to the fact that it's not even released yet, so how would anyone know anyway? Yes, xxjoshuaaxx it's possible, but it's nothing like getting Ubuntu to run on the N1. It would require a lot of custom driver code to be written. Nobody will care enough to do this though, so while yes it is possible it won't happen. Same reason you don't see Symbian or BB OS running on an N1, or any Android phone. Unless the hardware is extremely similar it's not worth trying.
One possible exception might be - if a manufacturer produces an Android and a Windows phone that are 99.9% the same hardware with different OSes slapped on them. In that case it *might* be possible to reflash one to the other. But don't count on it!
I would guess the way it happens is that you take a phone 7 device with a similar hardware device sporting android and then install android on the phone7 device and dual boot. It was the wild west with windows mobile up to now but with phone 7 I expect to see apple style policing of the OS meaning developers fiddling with putting it on a non native phone 7 device and offering up such a rom will be seeing a cease and desist order very qickly.
Hello everyone,
Is it possible to run dual OS on the galaxy S tab? Like Android and Apple !?
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yahase said:
Hello everyone,
Is it possible to run dual OS on the galaxy S tab? Like Android and Apple !?
Bionix 1.3.1 - Hard Brick Samsung Vibrant 3/4/2011
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Is that a serious question?
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Seems like a legitimate question to me, ViewSonic's ViewPad 10 already does Android-Windows dualbooting, and XDA itself has a thread about dualbooting the HD2 with WM and Android.
If the OP's asking about Android and iOS specifically though, then probably the answer might be no. If someone could do it though, it might actually be a good thing for the Android crowd: shows the Apple fans that choice and customizability is a good thing.
I was thinking the other day that my Tab would be pretty cool if running Windows Thin PC, saw info and a download on the MS site the other day while working on my wifes netbook.
I dont see a problem with either a full working version of Ubuntu or Windows on the GT and Android, or just the full OS. Seems reasonable to put an OS on what is essentially a tablet PC.
I would think its just a matter of a bios, and loading the OS, but I am not a programmer, so I could very well be wrong.
But....I'd load Windows or Ubuntu on the tab if it gave me the 3G ability as well as all other functions.
oldmacnut said:
I was thinking the other day that my Tab would be pretty cool if running Windows Thin PC, saw info and a download on the MS site the other day while working on my wifes netbook.
I dont see a problem with either a full working version of Ubuntu or Windows on the GT and Android, or just the full OS. Seems reasonable to put an OS on what is essentially a tablet PC.
I would think its just a matter of a bios, and loading the OS, but I am not a programmer, so I could very well be wrong.
But....I'd load Windows or Ubuntu on the tab if it gave me the 3G ability as well as all other functions.
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IIRC I think there's already a thread on XDA on bringing Ubuntu to the Tab. With Windows it might be trickier. The ViewSonic ViewPad 10 runs on Intel Atom, which is already used by other netbooks that run Windows. Windows might not be designed to run on ARM however, which is used on many Android devices. Processor design differences may be the key factor in porting the OS. (I've gotten Gingerbread to run on my Atom netbook though, alas I still couldn't get the touch screen to work)
Would be the first to jump onto dualbooting Android with Windows if it ever comes to fruition though; I'm a Windows developer and it'll be cool if I could write small apps and use them on my Tab.
oldmacnut said:
I dont see a problem with either a full working version of Ubuntu or Windows on the GT and Android, or just the full OS. Seems reasonable to put an OS on what is essentially a tablet PC.
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You can't run Windows because there is currently no ARM version, though MS say that they will support ARM in Windows 8, but by the time this sees the light of day, the Tab will be obsolete.
There is a thread in the dev forum about porting Ubuntu to the Tab, but I believe it is still a long way from fully functional.
Regards,
Dave
I already posted the question about fully functions in ubuntu for the tab. Specially the phone and sms functions but they denied it. I keep following and hope some day it will work
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Thanks for the responses guys. Let's hope one day it would be possible!
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since both iOS and Android are ARM based in most cases, you could probably make it happen.
Both Android and iOS are Unix based, so we could achieve this.
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It could be easier to port iOS than Honeycomb because iOS source code is avalaible for public, for improvements and bug seeking.
So, Yes, we could have dual OS on the tab, it could be windows, Ubuntu, Maemo, iOS and even Symbian
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It could be easier to port iOS than Honeycomb because iOS source code is avalaible for public, for improvements and bug seeking.
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iOS source code is most certainly not available!
Regards,
Dave