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I am about to buy one of these babies, but I say the classaction lawsuite and I am wondering, is it worth it? Does it slow donw that much?
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depends on what you want it for business or pleasure what would you mainly use
Thanks for you answer.
I have had these type of machines, I actually use it for bothe business and pleasure. I quess the question is if it lives up to be what its soppused to be?
Do videos play well?
well mine does i think its more 3d problems people have
btw completely off topic how cool is this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5LX16zia2k
It doesn't live up to what it should.
met3ora said:
It doesn't live up to what it should.
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Oh Bull! This is seriously a great phone. Boo-hoo I can't play Quake on it. The chefs around here have made the Kaiser so much better then stock. But the same can be said for tuner cars.
If you like the features of the phone Buy it. If you are worried about a lawsuit, which if you look hard enough there is one for just about every product out there, then don't.
I dont think its slow at all, and I doubt the "lawsuit" will ever get anywhere.
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I am about to buy one of these babies, but I say the classaction lawsuite and I am wondering, is it worth it? Does it slow donw that much?
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If you want a PDA and a Phone and an MP3 player and a GPS route finder, then buy it - I just did, took delivery on Thursday last week.
I've had Ipaq's, I've had symbian phones but this thing knocks spots off the lot. It is a brilliant little device.
As with all PDA's you have to invest time and effort into them if you expect them to "organise" your life. As a phone - its OK....ish.... struggles to get a signal sometimes. As a mp3 player, its pretty good - the supplied headphones suck - wish it had a 3.5mm jack too. Haven't played with the GPS yet - need to change SIM cards
Yea, not a media device at all given its size, speaker quality, and lack of 3.5 or a 2.5 jack. As a pda I think its good, phone as well, but the main quirk is improving battery life. I'm playing w Kaiser alongside Q9h (Q Global) and so far the Q is winning due to enormous amount of time I have to spend to get Kaiser to operate decently.
guys check amazon there 3000 mah batteries available there for a small price. if you really want to get the best out you device then i recomend buying the bigger battery. im planning on it but im getting a new pc tomorrow
do i have to ask anything special to run a 64 bit vista
Thanks for all the asnwers. I quess the question goes down to this....
Can I watch a video(I know the screen is small) using tcpmp smothly?
Thanks
I think it is a fabulous device. I play movies on mine, work on it from the road, tether it to my pc in airports, use the gps to get around cities where I am new and it also shines my shoes!...just kidding on the shoe shining but it does more than my first laptop did 10 years ago. I really love the tilt. Yes you have to tweak it...but it does way more than the iphone! It is very cool device and I use it for business too.
Hello Guys ,
I 'd like to buy one laptop. Price should be around 1100 - 1200 $
Hmm I myself very much freak about technology or gadgets.
I'd like to have good processor first of all, Good RAM, Hard drive should be minimum 350/500 GB, Good graphic cards i guess at least 1GB
Dell, Sony , HP are my Choices But i've heard HP battery life is poor Is there any other good brands out there that i don't know .. i need good battery back up
What is the best brand in laptops according to you guys ?
Recommended me some nice laptops out there I will be very thankful .
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Dell, Sony , HP are my Choices
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my respect for u was multiplied by zero when i saw this
ud deserve a macbook
What no Sony???????
oh well still dell is nice, what are you looking for it to do? Business? Everyday stuff? Gaming? What about screen size?
Try alienware, its made by dell and it is my personal choice. Definitly not for Business but more for awesome looking design. Check it.
http://www.alienware.com/
why not sony?
I've always heard toshiba makes awesome laptops. That's what I'm going to get when I get my tax return
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souljaboy said:
my respect for u was multiplied by zero when i saw this
ud deserve a macbook
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I like Macbook but Macbook is complicated I can't play blu ray videos n i guess so on I prefer windows though i like Macbook
kevina90 said:
What no Sony???????
oh well still dell is nice, what are you looking for it to do? Business? Everyday stuff? Gaming? What about screen size?
Try alienware, its made by dell and it is my personal choice. Definitly not for Business but more for awesome looking design. Check it.
http://www.alienware.com/
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I like Sony but Sony is also not good in battery life. Which series should i go for if i buy a sony laptop .? I 'm looking for essential use like everyday stuff , bit gaming , Screen size 14 , 15, 17 inch is Okay
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why not sony?
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I dont know what model to buy in sony they all making me confuse
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Toshiba is something that i've never try
Whoa... just saw that you are currently in Tianjin... How's the weather there buddy?
Anyway, from the perspective of a laptop sufferer until he finally refused to use a laptop unless under extreme duress: Lenovo Thinkpad T-series. 1,000 to 1,200 USD is not much to splurge, and you can't go wrong with a Thinkpad T-series(note that it must be the Thinkpad T-series models).
Why do I recommend this series?
1. Solid build. The T series was built for business, it is designed rugged. I used to throw my company's T61 around for fun and it never broke.
2. [Insert]-[Delete]-[Home]-[End]-[PgUp]-[PgDown] cluster is very similar to a full-sized keyboard. It's a lifesaver for the spreadsheet users.
3. The red nipple mouse. Often times I've used this to great satisfaction. As a pointing device, that is. It works quite well when surfing for... stuff
4. Industrial design harks back to the IBM days, when the ThinkPad was the gold standard for business laptops.
But as a business level laptop, it is quite pricey, but the build and the ergonomics are superb for a laptop. Also, the eye-candy is nothing to be proud of, but you get a solidly understated machine. So, if you have the cash to splurge a little and you're looking for a Windows laptop that lasts, go for the T-series.
I'd have gone for it if I wasn't so tied down with my desktop. My company's T-61 lasted for 2 years of abuse before I had to give it back. Completely battered, but never broken. Contrast this to my colleagues' HP which had at least 10% failure rate, the T-series was pretty darn good.
GPU might be a problem because the business-minded T-series only has a 512mb GPU from NVidia. But why are you gaming on the laptop anyway
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I like Macbook but Macbook is complicated
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Well, show me how would you overclock your GPU on a MacBook. Show me! Can it run Crysis? Can it!
^Nerd-rage for the lulz
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Hey , Thanks buddy for replying ye Tianjin weather is not that bad these days , but it got windy few days back and damn freezing
ya my one of my friend is using lenova N series since 4 years and its really working great no problem so far . He also recommended me buy lenova. I just check the site it got three categories essential use, Ideapad, thinkpad which one is best ? I like best configuration
Mm i like lenova. they offer really good configuration But Lenova laptops looks is not that much stylish . i don't know much about lenova laptops
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yeah buddy , really Mac is complicated i guess i think you using Mac . Can you tell me something about Mac OS I'm a windows user since few years I don't know much about Mac OS
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Hey , Thanks buddy for replying ye Tianjin weather is not that bad these days , but it got windy few days back and damn freezing
ya my one of my friend is using lenova N series since 4 years and its really working great no problem so far . He also recommended me buy lenova. I just check the site it got three categories essential use, Ideapad, thinkpad which one is best ? I like best configuration
Mm i like lenova. they offer really good configuration But Lenova laptops looks is not that much stylish . i don't know much about lenova laptops
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Girlfriend is freezing in Beijing, which from my understanding is less than an hour from Tianjin... Gosh she's not used to the weather there...
Thing is, I have to agree with you. It isn't flashy, nor does it have chiclet keyboards and LEDs. But the surface is matte (trust me, you'll hate a glossy surface), and the majority of the parts are well built.
To break down the Lenovo into Pros and Cons:
Pros:
1. Better keyboard ergonomics
2. Trackpad (red nipple!)
3. Solid build
Cons:
1. Business laptop not pretty
2. Poor GPU
Remember, I'm only talking about the T-series, and nothing else
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HaHa ya this time winter got out of control
Mm Thanks bro i will consider about it..Actually Chinese new year is coming so most probably i m going to buy on a new year
By the way i show really good GPU on a lenova site. they offering really Good 1Ghz ATI, Nvidia graphics
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HaHa ya this time winter got out of control
Mm Thanks bro i will consider about it..Actually Chinese new year is coming so most probably i m going to buy on a new year
By the way i show really good GPU on a lenova site. they offering really Good 1Ghz ATI, Nvidia graphics
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But methinks you should try waiting... the Sandy Bridges/AMD Fusion series will provide better gaming performance... but it's up to you... if you keep waiting:
1. Wait for new tech
2. Tech gets launched, wait for reviews from early adopters
3. Tech matures, waiting for a good deal
4. New tech announced, repeat from step one.
TOSHIBA FOR EVER!!!
Bought a dell, and although it hasn't been bad as a computer, i've had to get the mobo repaired twice...
My computer wouldn't charge, faulty power input.
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TOSHIBA FOR EVER!!!
Bought a dell, and although it hasn't been bad as a computer, i've had to get the mobo repaired twice...
My computer wouldn't charge, faulty power input.
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Yeah... heard some months ago the Tosh is quite reliable... but I hate smooth surfaces...
Ehats really pissn me off is how fast laptops get outdated, i got my laptop 2 years ago and last week my dad got a toshiba with same specs AND a better gpu for 300 bucks less...
AARRRGGHHH
Im saving up fir a nice new one though...
On a really offtopic note, what's the best STABLE overclock youve gotten on your desktop?
Sony is notoriously horrid when it comes to support. Also the overall build quality (IMO) is less than stellar for VAIO laptops.
I hate to say it but I would go with a Dell - but I'd wait for the new Intel Sandy Bridge one's to come out.
Also I have worked on a TON of Toshiba Satellites in my time. Easy to work on - easy to restore. But the battery life is so-so.
HP's are nice if you pay the extra money for the higher end models - but oh boy do they lay on the bloat ware. First thing you need to do with any HP Laptop is format and install JUST the OS/Drivers when you get the stupid thing.
Also - HP and Sony laptops typically have horrible 3rd party applications that they use as "overlay" applications to run stuff that is already being done by the OS to "make your life easier" (translate: make it even more confusing and take up unnecessary resources)
If your looking for a laptop in your price range I would do some research - tomshardware, pcmag.. or some site that does hardware reviews. I wouldn't settle for anything less then at least a 17" screen, at least 4-6gigs of RAM, and a 500gig hard drive.
And although a Mac Book is awesome... having to run Apple's OS isn't if your a windows guy. Plus your going to spend twice the dough just to have everything you'll need for it.
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Thanks bro ya new intel sandy bridge is coming. I probably should wait for new one. but its gonna cost me as high as intel i7 series i guess
I won't buy HP For sure because of battery life. Dell is nice but only in some selected models
I like Macbook but Macbook is overpriced. but worth each penny for sure
Are you?
EDIT: If you're unhappy, speak up here.
Minus the little EMI interference on the earpiece, absolutely. Super fast, great battery life, beautiful design.
Exactly what he said - I only get the interference in calls and not every call. Other than that, awesome phone.
I am really happy with it as well. I came from a epic 4g to this so it is an amazing difference. Better battery life and super fast.
I think it is all relative. I am sure people jumping from much better phones like GS3 will not be as impressed with this device as I have.
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Minus the little EMI interference on the earpiece, absolutely. Super fast, great battery life, beautiful design.
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Same here.
OP, you may want to keep this poll open a bit longer considering some of the limbo/backordered people are only now getting their phones shipped to them.
With a piss poor camera and a lackluster display with it's specs I am happy for the price I paid but if this was $500-600 off contract I would stay away myself... I have a Note 2 and an S3 and my Note 2 crushes this phone IMO and the S3 is close but then again it does not offer you that pure "GOOGLE" experience either and the S3 has soo many tweaks out and better optics and display (IMO) it's just what you want out of your device but I am thrilled to own it! It will definitely be my flashaholic phone!
EDIT: Okay guys I have had it for awhile now and I DO think the screen is VERY nice so I take away my comment from above but I am kinda disappointed in the camera's but who cares really! I am charging it wirelessly as I type... Time to start flashin!
;( I wish they would let me change my vote.... lol This just goes to show that you can NEVER judge a phone or anything for that matter, before it has been FULLY tested and I admit I spoke too soon! I LOVE the N4 on my T-mobile $30 Monthly 4G plan! You just cannot compare this phone to any other!
Oops, accidentally gave the guy above me a thanks. But I'm completely happy with this device. There is absolutely nothing I would change about it.
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With a piss poor camera and a lackluster display with it's specs I am happy for the price I paid but if this was $500-600 off contract I would stay away myself... I have a Note 2 and an S3 and my Note 2 crushes this phone IMO and the S3 is close but then again it does not offer you that pure "GOOGLE" experience either and the S3 has soo many tweaks out and better optics and display (IMO) it's just what you want out of your device but I am thrilled to own it! It will definitely be my flashaholic phone!
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Opinion is just that and since he didn't ask what phone you thought was better, maybe you should have kept it to yourself? Its troll bait and as you state twice. Just your opinion.
Of course, If I spent as much as you on those two other phones (which, IMO are not even close to this phone) I would try to justify it just as badly as you have, ..
Maybe u should add something to the poll like:
"I can't evaluate this because Google is too incompetent to ship the Nexus 4"
Regards
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Oops, accidentally gave the guy above me a thanks. But I'm completely happy with this device. There is absolutely nothing I would change about it.
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Sorry, I would give it back if I could... I did give you a thanks though....
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Opinion is just that and since he didn't ask what phone you thought was better, maybe you should have kept it to yourself? Its troll bait and as you state twice. Just your opinion.
Of course, If I spent as much as you on those two other phones (which, IMO are not even close to this phone) I would try to justify it just as badly as you have, ..
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Well he did say to add comments if you are "MOSTLY" satisfied so I posted MY comments and if you don't like that then I don't know what to say but I did say I do Love the phone but I have others to compare it to and I did just that! :laugh: You don't know what I spent and I justify my purchases based on my use and everyones use is different so..... Sounds to me like you don't like me cause I have an opinion...? Try not to be such a "hater"... And I believe you stated your opinion correct?? LOL No hard feelings, I love the device but it's not the only device out there... Enjoy everyone!!
pretty happy with my n4 however my bottom left corner squeaks when squeezing it lol.... anyone else with this problem?
I read so many posts of people being upset about this or that so I was skeptical, but now that I have had it in my hands for 2 days........I love it its the best phone I ever had. I am on T-Mobile and came from a One S and a S3 and don't miss either device. The hardware feels premium, much better than the S3 and right up there with the One S which despite its shortcomings had great build quality which I missed when I moved to an S3. I will be sticking with my Nexus 4 for a while.
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Sorry, I would give it back if I could... I did give you a thanks though....
Well he did say to add comments if you are "MOSTLY" satisfied so I posted MY comments and if you don't like that then I don't know what to say but I did say I do Love the phone but I have others to compare it to and I did just that! :laugh: You don't know what I spent and I justify my purchases based on my use and everyones use is different so..... Sounds to me like you don't like me cause I have an opinion...? Try not to be such a "hater"...
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Yeah, You see the " " at the end of the statement. Its so you know I was being sarcastic. But anyways
Not that it matterts, but, I don't dislike you, I like you just as much as everyone else I have never met. :laugh:
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Yeah, You see the " " at the end of the statement. Its so you know I was being sarcastic. But anyways
Not that it matterts, but, I don't dislike you, I like you just as much as everyone else I have never met. :laugh:
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LOL Wel I think of you as my XDA buddy so let's just be cool and I should have caught that sarcasm but I put a lil in myself... Enjoy your new device man!! :good:
Better than my GNex for sure , only bummer is that Android still produces low volume through the headphone jack
I came from an S3 and I have to say, I'm enjoying the Nexus 4 a lot more. As soon as I'm able to get my backups installed (Ubuntu and Android don't seem to be playing well unfortunately) I'll be able to enjoy it a lot more.
I'm coming from an Infuse 4G, so it's a big step and I'm definitely happy. The only real issue I have so far is that the phone slides if it's on a smooth surface that isn't completely flat. Like my laptop in its dock is a hair higher in the back than the front, and the phone doesn't stay put, it slides toward me. Same on tables, mouse pads, etc. Needs a little bit more friction.
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I'm coming from an Infuse 4G, so it's a big step and I'm definitely happy. The only real issue I have so far is that the phone slides if it's on a smooth surface that isn't completely flat. Like my laptop in its dock is a hair higher in the back than the front, and the phone doesn't stay put, it slides toward me. Same on tables, mouse pads, etc. Needs a little bit more friction.
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Hoping some of the front/back skins I get will help. Also a minimal case.
I've had a TF201 for a long time but it is now almost dead (smashed screen, dents, slowdown, random reboots).
The TF701T looks like the direct replacement but I suspect it won't get a production Lollipop update.
I am no stranger to flashing custom ROMs and would happily do so again but CM12 development doesn't look quite stable yet although the unofficial ROM in the dev threads looks promising
Question/Poll:
Get a TF701T for form factor and ignore lack of official Lollipop
Get a Nexus 9 with Keyboard and ignore price
Get something else (Asus X205TA Atom for example)
I love mine. With the dock it is basically a laptop replacement for me. Using CM12 as a daily driver with no issues, seems super stable to me.
I was considering a Nexus 9 but decided against it for 2 reasons:
1. no sd card and I use my tablet for a lot of textbook pdf's for school and also emulator roms
2. 4:3 screen and I like widescreen
The keyboard dock on the tf701 is sweet
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I love mine. With the dock it is basically a laptop replacement for me. Using CM12 as a daily driver with no issues, seems super stable to me.
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Same here, just sometimes Dock connection trouble
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Any idea if they are releasing a model for 2015? I can't find any news if there is a new release or this is the end of line for the transformer line
Slim-bacon
Another contender was announced yesterday at MWC 2015
Sony Z4 tablet with keyboard dock
I'm glad to see someone making a high end android device with a keyboard dock.
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Another contender was announced yesterday at MWC 2015
Sony Z4 tablet with keyboard dock
I'm glad to see someone making a high end android device with a keyboard dock.
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Interesting, although it seems to be a Bluetooth keyboard without an extra battery to charge the tablet, rather than a Transformer-style keyboard.
OP, I'm in the exact same market at the exact time
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Interesting, although it seems to be a Bluetooth keyboard without an extra battery to charge the tablet, rather than a Transformer-style keyboard.
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True question, but Asus products are all over the place these days. This particular tablet 701t should have been an absolute killer in sales, but it just didn't amount to much. After not such stellar sales on android, microsoft was right up their alley. The transformer tablet concept is just the best IMO. It definitely beats all Apple/Surface keyboard concepts I've seen. It makes sense for them to consider moving to windows. 2in1 windows devices seem to get a lot of help at least from microsoft and trying to push their way into small home office and hospital environments. Lot of that junk still running xp, so there is a big fat corporate market out there. As android goes, it's just too fickle on the high end to predict a standout winner.
Really too bad that asus didn't have a tf702-t or infinity-redux lined up for 2015. I'd be all over that, but no way I'm going to windows. Considering the Sony is waterproof and their android interface is nice and stock-like, I'm going to go for the z4 instead of the asus at this point. Definitely more expensive, but I want ac-wifi and waterproof anyway (not just perks, but things I wish Asus had)
As to battery life, looks like the z4 is reported to be in the 701t+dock territory all on it's own. Sure the dock will suck a little juice, but bt4-LE for keyboards is pretty efficient. I would be surprised if it drained more than an hour in a day. Maybe not, I'll buy it and see
Yep, even Asus's newer tablets like the TF103C no longer have a battery in the dock (although it connects physically rather than Bluetooth), so maybe that's the way things are going. And given how unreliable the dock connector is on the 701, maybe Bluetooth isn't such a bad idea!
I'm also very tempted by the Z4 tablet. I see it will be £499 in the UK, including the keyboard, though, which is a lot more than the 701 initially was priced at, I think.
I was wondering the price as well. Fortunately electronics don't ever seem to price at the transfer rate anyway. FWIW, I'd bet it launched within in $50 of that exact number of pounds rather than the equivalent exchange rate
I don't recall the price of the 701t at launch either. I thought it was something like $399 and no clue on the dock msrp
I think eventually we will see Asus come out with something big.
It may not be too soon. I think they learned their lesson about putting stuff out soon.
For a lot of what Asus makes quality is very important. But pushing out too many tablets too soon has reduced buyer confidence.
They will wait when they have a high spec device that smashes all other competition.
Yeah the tegra4 arrived ahead of the "pack" in the 701t. No reason to think they'll release yesterday's news with a k1 Denver. They seem to be in bed with Intel which is making progress, but compared to nvidia and Qualcomm. . . Intel feels like they are stuck in molasses. Lib-houdini was big, and a joint effort between Intel and Asus primarily (it seems, iirc) hopefully the lull is paving the way for something big and Intel will be aosp friendly
The TF701 will probably be getting official lollipop ROM according to semi-reliable rumors.
I have a TF701 and a TF103C.
If you don't need the higher specs of the 701 you will be happy just using the 103 and saving a bit of money. 103 screen resolution is just fine for normal everyday use, youtube etc. One thing I don't like about the 701 is that it runs kind of hot. On the back upper left where the Tegra CPU is. Battery life is not all that great either. The TF103C with it's Intel CPU does not have the heating issue and seems to be better on battery life. They changed the keyboard option on the 103C. It's a different part# that does not include a battery. So if you want to use the keyboard you will probably be better off with the 701.
One benefit of the keyboard change on the 103 is they moved the USB port to the side and just use a standard micro USB connector for that now. I don't use the keyboard option so one thing I really don't like about the 701 is that proprietary USB connector on the bottom designed for the keyboard. The case I use does not have a hole in the bottom so I cannot close it when charging. Could easily cut a hole I suppose. The other problem with that location is it's very very difficult to use it when plugged in. That connector at the bottom sticks out a ways and is fragile so it would't take much to break. The TF103C location is much better on the side and it's just micro USB that doesn't stick out too far so easier to use while plugged in and less likely to break.
You will be happy with either one I think and I'm pretty sure they will both get official lollipop. Can always use custom ROM lollipop which is available now for the 701.
get the tf701t and ignore the fact that there is no official lollipop yet. the inofficial cm12 is very good, I'm using it all the time. no problems till now
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get the tf701t and ignore the fact that there is no official lollipop yet. the inofficial cm12 is very good, I'm using it all the time. no problems till now
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Are there any serious competitors to consider to the 701? I can get it with the dock for $295 from Amazon right now and unless I am missing something out there or coming out soon - there seems to be nothing even close to that price with this performance AND a keyboard without spending $500...
Am I missing something? I ask because looking at a birthday present to myself and want something that has a keyboard and is Android. I will mainly be using it with keyboard for web browsing as a "laptop", watching videos on trips, reading, and some gaming here and there but nothing major. Seems to be a MUCH better alternative and more flexible than the chromebook I was looking at.
Hey guys I'm about to buy a refurbished Xperia Z from Amazon, but I'd like you guys to give me some advice. Do you recommend me? My main concerns are battery, display(they say blacks are grayish), camera and sound. I come from a galaxy s3 and lumia 640 XL(maybe someone has/had one of these smartphones and could give me some thoughts). I suppose the performance is great. I also noticed the device has some pretty good community and development(which the s3 lacks a bit)-which is also very important to me... am I right? Also, how does AOSP-based lollipop(may I dare and also say marshmallow ) run on it? Sorry guys for too many questions and also sorry for my english.
Best regards!!
What can I say...
FIRST- if you're buying it for $100 or less maybe it is till a good deal, otherwise maybe it is better to see at other low-to-mid-range
SECOND- yes, the performance is good, even better with lollipop, screen looks better now (maybe sonybravia got better, maybe because lollipop has more white in it and the white is being displayed better), but anyway you have to UNDERCLOCK it in order to get a decent battery life
THIRD- battery life is very disappointing, you HAVE to underclock it and root it and greenify it to get any good battery life, unless you can charge it every 12 hours
FOURTH - the device is getting older and so the interest in this device (im talking about support from devs)
FIFTH - the phone gets hot, like really really hot when you're using it playing games (unless you underclock it), and since the back cover is only a adhesive line, when it gets hotter with the help off the Nfc antenna (which is set to push against the backcover) the backcover gets up and looses its waterproofness
SIX- the flaps - the damn flaps- they're everywhere - and you need to open them every-time you charge the phone, put on the headphones, remove the sim, remove the microSD, and they tend to get loose with time especially the one of the charger since you need to charge it frequently
NOW... that I told you about it downsides, its not a bad phone nowdays, it has a big and very beautiful display, connectivity is like the best i've ever tried, performance is pretty good (cpu + gpu ), camera performs really well - especially in macro, dev support for now is good.
Overall for someone who has it I think it can take another one or two years, but I personally would not buy it unless I find it for cheap or cannot buy a used phone. Personally I would look into a HTC M8 or a LG G3, maybe even used.
You decide
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What can I say...
FIRST- if you're buying it for $100 or less maybe it is till a good deal, otherwise maybe it is better to see at other low-to-mid-range
SECOND- yes, the performance is good, even better with lollipop, screen looks better now (maybe sonybravia got better, maybe because lollipop has more white in it and the white is being displayed better), but anyway you have to UNDERCLOCK it in order to get a decent battery life
THIRD- battery life is very disappointing, you HAVE to underclock it and root it and greenify it to get any good battery life, unless you can charge it every 12 hours
FOURTH - the device is getting older and so the interest in this device (im talking about support from devs)
FIFTH - the phone gets hot, like really really hot when you're using it playing games (unless you underclock it), and since the back cover is only a adhesive line, when it gets hotter with the help off the Nfc antenna (which is set to push against the backcover) the backcover gets up and looses its waterproofness
SIX- the flaps - the damn flaps- they're everywhere - and you need to open them every-time you charge the phone, put on the headphones, remove the sim, remove the microSD, and they tend to get loose with time especially the one of the charger since you need to charge it frequently
NOW... that I told you about it downsides, its not a bad phone nowdays, it has a big and very beautiful display, connectivity is like the best i've ever tried, performance is pretty good (cpu + gpu ), camera performs really well - especially in macro, dev support for now is good.
Overall for someone who has it I think it can take another one or two years, but I personally would not buy it unless I find it for cheap or cannot buy a used phone. Personally I would look into a HTC M8 or a LG G3, maybe even used.
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Thank you so much for your elaborated answer You really made me think about it.
FIRST- it costs me about $160(in a very good condition) and I really can't pay any more than this for a smartphone. It's actually a pretty good deal for what it normally costs in my country. If you/somebody could recommend me a better phone for this price point(taking into consideration the development community)...
SECOND- good to know.
THIRD- well I have to say it sounds dissapointing. Underclocking...doesn't sound that good to me... although I'd have no problem using greenify. 12 hours with 4g on? What's the usage?(heavy...moderate...)
FOURTH- this is the first thing I look when looking for an android device. If it doesn't allow custom ROMs and doesn't have a decent community behind then I don't buy it.
FIFTH- the "gettin really hot" thing sounds also really dissapointin. I'm not a heavy gamer but I do like to play graphic-intensive games from time to time. So is it really that annoing? About the waterproofness... really not important to me.
SIX- pretty annoing huh? Especially the headphones thing. What if you cut them out? You think there'd be any inconvenience on doing this aside from loosing the waterproof thing(and design of course)?
Well... so yeah some bad news for me here. But I can't find a decent phone wich also has community behind for this price. And another which makes me go for it are the 2GB of RAM.
So I wait for some other answers too guys
Also read my first post's EDIT.
Buying today XZ is stupid... seriously.
When I bought my XZ price of Z1compact was almost the same and it still is, its 20$-30$ difference for most of time(New XZ cost about 180$ z1c 200$)
And for that price you can buy WAY better phones, starting from Galaxy S4 to LG G series. And you want to stick to Sony you can get even z1 or used z2
As far as I love this phone I would not recommend it to anyone, battery is below average, camera is worst than my old Arc S, and those cover flaps are pain in the A##
This is best example of phone that look good, but those small bugs in everyday usage make it annoying to use...
And yes I still use it :] Because after using new phones... I found out that most of them are the same: average battery, and looots of small bugs that make them annoying after some time. So I decide to change phones once per 3-4 years...
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For that price NO! Performance with LP is good, camera not so good even with LP. Didnt have issues with overheating, connectivity is good. Screen and colors looks pretty nice for me.
MultiPDev said:
Thank you so much for your elaborated answer You really made me think about it.
FIRST- it costs me about $160(in a very good condition) and I really can't pay any more than this for a smartphone. It's actually a pretty good deal for what it normally costs in my country. If you/somebody could recommend me a better phone for this price point(taking into consideration the development community)...
SECOND- good to know.
THIRD- well I have to say it sounds dissapointing. Underclocking...doesn't sound that good to me... although I'd have no problem using greenify. 12 hours with 4g on? What's the usage?(heavy...moderate...)
FOURTH- this is the first thing I look when looking for an android device. If it doesn't allow custom ROMs and doesn't have a decent community behind then I don't buy it.
FIFTH- the "gettin really hot" thing sounds also really dissapointin. I'm not a heavy gamer but I do like to play graphic-intensive games from time to time. So is it really that annoing? About the waterproofness... really not important to me.
SIX- pretty annoing huh? Especially the headphones thing. What if you cut them out? You think there'd be any inconvenience on doing this aside from loosing the waterproof thing(and design of course)?
Well... so yeah some bad news for me here. But I can't find a decent phone wich also has community behind for this price. And another which makes me go for it are the 2GB of RAM.
So I wait for some other answers too guys
Also read my first post's EDIT.
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Well,
ONE - if you want a phone with good Dev community support and with that budget you'll have to take a look at ex-flagship devices, like HTC One M7 (this one remains IMHO one of the best devices ever), LG G2(very good camera from what I've been told, and powerful cpu), Samsung Galaxy S4(well because it is a Samsung and everybody has one so many developers...)
THREE - Underclock means you lower the frequency of the Cpu (example. it goes from 1.5 Ghz quad-core to 1.1 Ghz quad-core), I like more uncerclock than greenify, and underclocking at 1.1 Ghz in my opinion gives the best performance/battery life/heat ratio. Usage is normal, 1 hour browsing; 1 hour listening to songs (in 3g, even when 4g is available I disable it); 1 hour 9gag and gets at evening with 30-35%...
FOUR - many custom roms for now, and quality is really good, im using currently the 5.1.1 modified and runs pretty good.
FIVE- when you underclock (which I recommend!) you give your device better battery life but also it heats less. If you don't mind the waterproofness then it's better because I wouldn't call Waterproof a really thin bezel of adhesive (They're crazy !!!)
SIX- yeah, they're annoying but anyway you can live with that, and design is really good and would be a shame if you removed them.
So my list woud be;
1.Htc One m7
2.Lg g2
3.Samsung S4 or Xperia Z
(and btw where do you live? maybe i can see smth for you)
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For that price NO! Performance with LP is good, camera not so good even with LP. Didnt have issues with overheating, connectivity is good. Screen and colors looks pretty nice for me.
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Well it seems the camera is not that good as I thought. Do you think moto g 2/3 has better camera? Although they only have 1GB or RAM.
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Well it seems the camera is not that good as I thought. Do you think moto g 2/3 has better camera? Although they only have 1GB or RAM.
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As an XZ owner i would definitely recommend you to go with Moto G2/3. Beside better camera there will be MM support for both the 2gen and 3gen Moto, while not for XZ.
aaronkatrini said:
Well,
ONE - if you want a phone with good Dev community support and with that budget you'll have to take a look at ex-flagship devices, like HTC One M7 (this one remains IMHO one of the best devices ever), LG G2(very good camera from what I've been told, and powerful cpu), Samsung Galaxy S4(well because it is a Samsung and everybody has one so many developers...)
THREE - Underclock means you lower the frequency of the Cpu (example. it goes from 1.5 Ghz quad-core to 1.1 Ghz quad-core), I like more uncerclock than greenify, and underclocking at 1.1 Ghz in my opinion gives the best performance/battery life/heat ratio. Usage is normal, 1 hour browsing; 1 hour listening to songs (in 3g, even when 4g is available I disable it); 1 hour 9gag and gets at evening with 30-35%...
FOUR - many custom roms for now, and quality is really good, im using currently the 5.1.1 modified and runs pretty good.
FIVE- when you underclock (which I recommend!) you give your device better battery life but also it heats less. If you don't mind the waterproofness then it's better because I wouldn't call Waterproof a really thin bezel of adhesive (They're crazy !!!)
SIX- yeah, they're annoying but anyway you can live with that, and design is really good and would be a shame if you removed them.
So my list woud be;
1.Htc One m7
2.Lg g2
3.Samsung S4 or Xperia Z
(and btw where do you live? maybe i can see smth for you)
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It seems the decision is getting harder and harder, although I already bought it because I don't wanna loose the deal. It's not available anymore at this price after buying it. I'm waiting for it to arrive in about two days I'll test it and if it doesn't satisfy me I'll return it.
ONE - Those devices are about $50 more expensive.
THREE - Maybe underclock could do the job, but will it still run smooth at lets say 1.2ghz? Anyway I think for the usage you described the battery doesn't sound that bad.
FOUR - Yeah, I'm looking at the hacking section and I'm stunned
FIVE - well, I'll happily underclock it if it doesn't affect performance too much. Maybe setting to the normal clock when gaming. And for the waterproofness thing... I'm shocked Anyway... I don't mind.
SIX - I guess...
From those devices you mentioned the only one I can afford is the Xperia Z. I really can't pay more than that for a device.
So, do you think I should buy a low end device from this or last year like the moto g 2014? I'm scared of the 1GB of RAM.
I live in Spain and price is a bit high here in Europe. I can buy from Amazon.es/fr/de/it... but I think I only have two options: buy a low-end device with no support from community or an exflagship device with support like the Xperia Z. I also think having 2GB of RAM is important right? I can't spend more than 150€/$160... ad I guess I'm asking too much from a device for this price. I really appreciate your help.
icrunchbanger said:
As an XZ owner i would definitely recommend you to go with Moto G2/3. Beside better camera there will be MM support for both the 2gen and 3gen Moto, while not for XZ.
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Isn't 1GB of RAM too low nowadays?
Akinaro said:
Buying today XZ is stupid... seriously.
When I bought my XZ price of Z1compact was almost the same and it still is, its 20$-30$ difference for most of time(New XZ cost about 180$ z1c 200$)
And for that price you can buy WAY better phones, starting from Galaxy S4 to LG G series. And you want to stick to Sony you can get even z1 or used z2
As far as I love this phone I would not recommend it to anyone, battery is below average, camera is worst than my old Arc S, and those cover flaps are pain in the A##
This is best example of phone that look good, but those small bugs in everyday usage make it annoying to use...
And yes I still use it :] Because after using new phones... I found out that most of them are the same: average battery, and looots of small bugs that make them annoying after some time. So I decide to change phones once per 3-4 years...
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Unfortunately I can't afford those devices. I barely can afford the Xperia Z because I found a good deal.
MultiPDev said:
Isn't 1GB of RAM too low nowadays?
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It all depends of usage but i wouldn't worry about it so much. Motorola comes with almost pure Android.
icrunchbanger said:
It all depends of usage but i wouldn't worry about it so much. Motorola comes with almost pure Android.
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Thanks, I'm considering the moto g 2.
MultiPDev said:
Thanks, I'm considering the moto g 2.
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Moto G (2nd generation) doesn't stand a chance to Xperia Z!
XZ has better specs, better screen, better CPU, more Ram, more internal memory ecc.
Yes, the Moto G (2nd generation) is being updated to Marshmallow but really with all the support from the Dev's we can still get unofficial AOSP Marshmallow Roms.
PS.: one more thing, I currently live in Italy and in big cities it is really easy to find used phones from people that sell them at a local website. I've been checking the prices for some time because I wanted to get a better phone and phones like the LG G3 go as low as 200 euro. Htc One M7 can be found for 150 euro in really good condition, one thing is that you don't have warranty, only if they give you the bill of the phone, then it is as you had bought it(be careful though not giving you a printed bill from the internet.) if you can live with that, that would get you a really good phone with low money.
aaronkatrini said:
Moto G (2nd generation) doesn't stand a chance to Xperia Z!
XZ has better specs, better screen, better CPU, more Ram, more internal memory ecc.
Yes, the Moto G (2nd generation) is being updated to Marshmallow but really with all the support from the Dev's we can still get unofficial AOSP Marshmallow Roms.
PS.: one more thing, I currently live in Italy and in big cities it is really easy to find used phones from people that sell them at a local website. I've been checking the prices for some time because I wanted to get a better phone and phones like the LG G3 go as low as 200 euro. Htc One M7 can be found for 150 euro in really good condition, one thing is that you don't have warranty, only if they give you the bill of the phone, then it is as you had bought it(be careful though not giving you a printed bill from the internet.) if you can live with that, that would get you a really good phone with low money.
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Yeah, XZ specs are really impressive for me, but the problems mentioned worry me. The screen seems a bit poor to me from what I read. Maybe the Moto G has a better screen and battery(camera also? I doubt it). Anyway... the XZ is on its way and I can't wait to test it!!!
The biggest problem I have with buying a used phone from people is, aside from the warranty- which is also important, the fact that I can't return it if it doesn't satisfy me. Thank God for Amazon!! lol :victory:
Hey what about speakers sound?
Yeah amazon has its benefits.
Sound speakers? Hah! That tiny little thing that barely makes a sound? ?
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Yeah amazon has its benefits.
Sound speakers? Hah! That tiny little thing that barely makes a sound? ��
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Disappointing. It seems the device has lots of flaws.
MultiPDev said:
Unfortunately I can't afford those devices. I barely can afford the Xperia Z because I found a good deal.
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In that case welcome to the club
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In that case welcome to the club
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Thanks buddy I hope I stay here for long
aaronkatrini said:
What can I say...
FIRST- if you're buying it for $100 or less maybe it is till a good deal, otherwise maybe it is better to see at other low-to-mid-range
SECOND- yes, the performance is good, even better with lollipop, screen looks better now (maybe sonybravia got better, maybe because lollipop has more white in it and the white is being displayed better), but anyway you have to UNDERCLOCK it in order to get a decent battery life
THIRD- battery life is very disappointing, you HAVE to underclock it and root it and greenify it to get any good battery life, unless you can charge it every 12 hours
FOURTH - the device is getting older and so the interest in this device (im talking about support from devs)
FIFTH - the phone gets hot, like really really hot when you're using it playing games (unless you underclock it), and since the back cover is only a adhesive line, when it gets hotter with the help off the Nfc antenna (which is set to push against the backcover) the backcover gets up and looses its waterproofness
SIX- the flaps - the damn flaps- they're everywhere - and you need to open them every-time you charge the phone, put on the headphones, remove the sim, remove the microSD, and they tend to get loose with time especially the one of the charger since you need to charge it frequently
NOW... that I told you about it downsides, its not a bad phone nowdays, it has a big and very beautiful display, connectivity is like the best i've ever tried, performance is pretty good (cpu + gpu ), camera performs really well - especially in macro, dev support for now is good.
Overall for someone who has it I think it can take another one or two years, but I personally would not buy it unless I find it for cheap or cannot buy a used phone. Personally I would look into a HTC M8 or a LG G3, maybe even used.
You decide
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in my country a NEW xperia z costs around 280-300 euro, i think people still prefer it