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Doesnt the fact there is no Micro SD slot in the Touch Diamond bug the hell out of anyone?
I understand the Pro will have a slot, but its as thick as hell. I like the slimness of the Diamond.
How are you existing Diamond users coping with the limited storage?
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Doesnt the fact there is no Micro SD slot in the Touch Diamond bug the hell out of anyone?
I understand the Pro will have a slot, but its as thick as hell. I like the slimness of the Diamond.
How are you existing Diamond users coping with the limited storage?
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Doesn't bug me a bit.
I use the TD as navigator (2GB of maps), and some other programs. I wouldn't know what for I would need the extra memory. It sucks bigtime using these sort of WM devices as music player, so no memory needed for that.
The slimness of the TD is worth far more than the optional slot. I'm amazed of how much fits inside this device as it is already. For some people this means a trade-off between device versus memory size.
I think this has been discussed over and over again, even before the official launch date.
You have to make choices between style, usability etc. What do you demand? For me 4 GB is far enough. Other people think of 4 GB as a laughter. So make up yourself what u think about it. I'm happy
since i dontplan to put any music or movies on my phone, 4gb is more then enough
most people who it bugs the hell out of are waiting for the pro so we dont have a problem here -_-
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Read somewhere that HTC is releasing ten new mobiles 'till the end of 2008. Absolutely amazing. I bet (more I hope and pray) that amongst them there'll be an updated Diamond with microSD - or at least that HTC creates a special adapter to allow us to increase memory. I know that internally the Diamond is ready for that. Is just needs to be ROM-activated to unable us to have 8 or even 16 GB.
^i read that too...so i dont know would you wait or buy the touch pro =\?!
what bugs the hell out of me is threads like these.
The Touch Pro is too fat for my liking. I will definitely not aproach it! The Compact IV will do me nicely for now - that's the why I'm going for it instead of the Diamond. The savings will be put aside for a Diamond with a microSD 16GB (by then probably even 32GB) card slot. Brrrrrr
I'm waiting for someone brave to open up the diamond and try fitting more storage capacity!!
I've come from a 16gb iPhone to this - so most of my music / videos are remaining on my PC
However - withe the poor battery life, I doubt I'd be listening to much music on the diamond anyway!
i dont want to be one of those suckers that buys a phone right before a better one is released. Like how i bought the N73 and then right after the N73ME was released then the N95. =\
to wait or not to wait..that is the question...
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^i read that too...so i dont know would you wait or buy the touch pro =\?!
what bugs the hell out of me is threads like these.
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Then why are you here?
I mean really, theres no need to act like such a jerk. With all due respect..
^^ to discuss the touch pro of course
I mean really, theres no need to act like a whiny brat. With all due respect..
The big cheeses at HTC HQ reckon that a micro SD slot would add 2mm (yes, 2mm!) to the chassis. C'mon, I can live with that. Don't mention the obese Touch Pro, please. I really do thing that a 2mm fatter Diamond will be on its way very, very soon. The Diamond already beats the iPhone in all other departments. The last bit it needs is a slot. The 16gb microSD is on its way - in fact I hope both of them will be outted at the same time. Look at the sudden fall in price for a 8gb microSD. The 16gb microSD is coming and HTC will not (fingers crossed) miss the boat.
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i dont want to be one of those suckers that buys a phone right before a better one is released. Like how i bought the N73 and then right after the N73ME was released then the N95. =\
to wait or not to wait..that is the question...
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Dude, you can wait forever then. A phone is old when it comes out.
It's quite easy: get to know what you need and what you wanna do with it.
I did it, the Diamond was available, it suits my needs, and now I don't care if there are going to be pro-pro-pro versions of it.
In fact, I get the newest phone in about 2 years again, when this one is old. That phone will be old just 6 months after that but WTH?
Just like now, got the diamond on the 8th of june and seem to be one of the first to have one.
And adding 2mm yes really would be too fat for me.
THis phone is awesome in thickness and can be carried with me like I have a normal phone instead of that poor friend of mine with his Hermes, like getting a really strong arm holding that hump to his ear
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Doesnt the fact there is no Micro SD slot in the Touch Diamond bug the hell out of anyone?
I understand the Pro will have a slot, but its as thick as hell. I like the slimness of the Diamond.
How are you existing Diamond users coping with the limited storage?
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Exactly!! Was thinking the same thing! I mean come on.. seriously. Example: Phone comes with GPS. Hence using a Tomtom / Garmin map would easily take up 1/3 of your 4gb.
If Touch Diamond were to have an external expansion slot. OMG it will be THE PHONE to own...!
I surprised they just didn't put an 8gb chip in it as an absolute minimum as the price of them now are really cheap.
Just using the latest TomTom 7.20 map takes up 1.84gb, so that's almost have the storage gone already.
4gb these days is pretty low.
Has anyone benchmarked their internal 16gig sd card on the Captivate? I just did mine and it said it was a unknown class..and gave 10 gig mbs write/15gig mbs read speeds..
Does this mean it is a class 10 or higher card?
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edited..I said gigs and meant megs
Right, I'm sure your card's reading/writing 10+GBPS.
You must mean "meg"
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Right, I'm sure your card's reading/writing 10+GBPS.
You must mean "meg"
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Opps..I did mean mbs..not gigs... my bad
Anyway..it does say unknown class in front..then the 10 -15 speed..
Huh. You know, that's a good question, and I, too, am interested in the answer.
I wonder if how the device mounts the card is in any way a sort of a contributing factor in the internal card's R/W and/or real-world use? Could this even be possible, in theory?—or is there some sort of a simple hardware bottleneck present in the card/chip itself, that thus constricts the efficiency of the phone's access to the card, and in some way puts it on par with a $5 USB-reader?
Is there such a thing as a more efficient, or a better-designed reader—that, if compared to a less efficient/badly-designed reader, would produce two significantly different benchmark-results for the same chip? What sorts of design-flaws could cause such an inferior result?
...Is the "internal SD" memory of the Captivate even comparable to a MicroSD chip at all?—or is it a totally different kind of flash-memory, and thus not subject to class-level designation (except for in comparison)? Perhaps that should've been our first question.
Don't get me wrong: I'm really, genuinely eager to learn how all this fascinating hardware works. Harddrives are pretty cool, too
Hard drives annoy me. I hate how 3 years ago I shelled out a couple hundred for a 300gb hard drive and now I can get a 1TB for 90 bucks!
But back on topic, should the class of the card really matter as long as there aren't seriously noticeable delays when moving data on/off the chip?
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Hard drives annoy me. I hate how 3 years ago I shelled out a couple hundred for a 300gb hard drive and now I can get a 1TB for 90 bucks!
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Haha, yeah... but I meant, "how they work". To be sure, the same price-fluctuation occurs with all sorts of fast-evolving products: video-cards, memory-chips, VG consoles, displays, and all kinds of pocket-gadgets (and so on).
Economics often frustrates me. You know, I just bought a 16GB chip for 28$ the other day, and found it on sale for $20 the next day (but mine had already shipped)—and I so much would have rather been ordering a good 32-gig chip... but most are currently on for >$100 (but will surely retail for considerably less come January). Madness!
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But back on topic, should the class of the card really matter as long as there aren't seriously noticeable delays when moving data on/off the chip?
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Practically speaking, no—you're right: knowing the supposed class-rating of the chip isn't going to improve data transfer-rates, or anything performance-based... but, I do think that such information is nevertheless useful: it will facilitate for me, and for perhaps others, a more comprehensive understanding of how this sort of hardware works. What we learn from these answers, may serve as background to future questions that we will one day formulate...
...and may even apply, perhaps, to things outside the realm of technology (it certainly has the potential to). To wax poetic for just a moment, I've always been pleasantly surprised to notice the uncanny applicability of seemingly-unrelated areas of study. Truly, what one learns in X, can almost always be extended to Y. For example, what one learns in math class, let's say, is easily extendable well-beyond the realm of algebra (which seems on the surface, to the average high school student, to be an incredibly arcane and impractical and/or irrelevant skill-set—which is hard to learn, and thus often isn't well)—however—in learning how to ninja one's way around an algebraic equation, one also learns how to think logically, and analytically, and does develop one's critical reasoning abilities, and one's memory, and one's capacity for rationality, and keeps one's mind sharp, and trains one's focus, and... so much more.
I'm not looking to marry math or anything; I just think that it's remarkable that most good programmers, strategizers, grammartarians, scientists and even philosophers are also natural mathematicians: they process thoughts in similar ways—point being, seemingly unrelated things, are often quite intertwined. Technology, to me, feels like such a relevant thing to understand fundamentally (given the age we live in, and all). The answers to these questions feel to me... applicable—and thus I seek them. That's what motivates me to.
If that was hard to get through, I apologize. Feel free to respond, or to get back on topic (and I am going to bed).
If that was hard to get through, I apologize. Feel free to respond, or to get back on topic (and I am going to bed).
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I understand what you mean..long winded and all
I have a much more simpler reasoning for my question..and that is to replicate the speed of my internal for my external sd card and to make it seamless. While this may not seem to important to some,for me it is. Having it the same will allow any transfers on or off it to be the same.Pause any hd movie loaded on a sd card and fast forward it..how long does it take to watch the movieagain ..do the same on the internal memory..and you will see just why I want it seamless and the same. A class 2 or class 4 card doesn't come close..even the vaulted class 6 isn't nearly as fast..and who knows when we will see good inexpensive class 8 or 10.The speed I got when benchmarking the internal storage lead me to believe it was a very fast flash drive and not a micro sd card as what I was told by the Samsung galaxy techs..and is most likely why I have not recieved any response back from them on where I can purchase one to match it. Getting to see this post earlier begins to confirm this to me..http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8354214&postcount=23...Also.. makes me beg the question to any Samsung represenative that may be following this..Why is it being allowed to be told incorrectly that the internal memory is a micro sd card..when it is not ?
I have a Transcend 8 gig class 6 coming tomorrow..and I'll benchmark that and time both storage to show you what I mean..
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What app do you use to benchmark it? I have a class 10 coming from a friend at the factory. We are thinking about selling them, but would have to charge $69 including Priority Mail.
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What app do you use to benchmark it? I have a class 10 coming from a friend at the factory. We are thinking about selling them, but would have to charge $69 including Priority Mail.
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sorry to bump an old thread but i couldn't find anything on speed testing on the phone and same goes for the market other than a paid app
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I have changed the original subject because I have made up mind and made my decision based on my conclusions. Anyway, that decision it’s not that important and I don’t want to affect the discussion here.
Thank you all.
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Should I replace my HTC HD7 pre-order with Samsung Omnia 7? Help needed fast ...
I need your help fast!
I know this is little "unethical" but after so many "copy-paste" reviews I must turn for your help.
Please give me a reason NOT to replace my HTC HD7 pre-order with Samsung Omnia 7.
I pre-ordered HD7 but I am slowly getting disappointed reading all the reviews.
Why?
HTC HD7 vs Samsung Omina7 shoot out, KraFT`s style ....
- HTC HD7 only Class2 SD card vs. Samsung Omnia 7 - 8GB NAND Flash memory (8GB is enough for me )
- HTC HD7 SD card class 2 / 8gb is not expandable. Its only hackable.
- HTC HD7 Plastic cover vs. Samsung Omnia 7 - almost full metal. (scroll to 2m:50sec)
- HTC HD7 has old TFT LCD ( not even SUPER TFT) vs . Omnia 7 latest Super-AMOLED LCD TFT.
- HTC HD7 11.2mm vs Samsung Omnia 7 10.99 mm;
- Display size , HTC HD7-4.3 vs Omnia7 - 4.0 (0.3 difference)
- Weight 162g vs 138g
- HD7 Crappy pink photo and video vs Omnia 7 Check yourself.
- HTC HD7 Battery 1200 vs Omnia 7 1500 .
- HTC HD7 Quiet and Mono (not stereo) vs. 20% louder Omnia 7
- For S. Omnia7 , Gorilla protection is very much possible but cant find a clear confirmation.
could always replace the crappy class 2 micro sd for a higher speed and capacity, but it seems like you want someone to blame if you dont like the phone you choose.
The only thing the HD7 has over the Omnia is the larger screen. And the possibility to remove memory and add more, but you stated you don't need it. IMO Omnia is the better pick.
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could always replace the crappy class 2 micro sd for a higher speed and capacity, but it seems like you want someone to blame if you dont like the phone you choose.
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Please don’t post here anymore for obvious reasons.
I thank you for that.
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I think for most people in the long run (regardless of whether they agree at this point in time) the decision will come down to "can you survive with 8GB space?"
The omnia 7 is maxed out at 8GB currently (16GB still yet to be seen) and once you take into account the WP7 OS and apps, you will be left with around 6GB space.
Is that enough for what you'd like to do with the phone?
Personally I won't be using my Omnia 7 as a mp3 player but if you intend on using it as your primary music player then I would STRONGLY recommend the HD7 over the Omnia 7
You can easily upgrade the HD7 to 32GB with a higher class microSD card to improve the speed..
If, like me, you don't mind carrying only a few favourite albums and a few favourite videos and no more then go for the Omnia 7.
If you anticipate that you will use more than 6GB then get the HD7.
hboos said:
I think for most people in the long run (regardless of whether they agree at this point in time) the decision will come down to "can you survive with 8GB space?"
The omnia 7 is maxed out at 8GB currently (16GB still yet to be seen) and once you take into account the WP7 OS and apps, you will be left with around 6GB space.
Is that enough for what you'd like to do with the phone?
Personally I won't be using my Omnia 7 as a mp3 player but if you intend on using it as your primary music player then I would STRONGLY recommend the HD7 over the Omnia 7
You can easily upgrade the HD7 to 32GB with a higher class microSD card to improve the speed..
If, like me, you don't mind carrying only a few favourite albums and a few favourite videos and no more then go for the Omnia 7.
If you anticipate that you will use more than 6GB then get the HD7.
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This... The main reason im getting the HD7 is because I can put a 32 gig card out of my HD into it
Why do you need a excuse? With the things you've stated, its obvious that you want the omnia... just get it
Yes, I need like 2 gigs max for all my multimedia needs. ( 10 or 20 mp3 albums max)
I have never ever watched any movies on mu mobile. Just few South Park`s and that’s all…
I do a lots of browsing, remote desktop, business applications.
I had in the past HTC diamond 1 and now Diamond 2.
HTC D1 had 4GB onboard while HTC D2 had sd card. (Class4)
The difference is huge.
I do know how to handle a screwdriver but why should I do that in the first place.
I did that with all my HTC`s but with a good reason…
Anyway, what about the total experience.
Why Dolby ? With 1200 battery? Or dual flash with that crappy picture?
And it’s the same problem that is going on for years.
Thin plastic for protection?
The video for SD card replacement shows how fragile this phone is.
One angular drop and …
I think that this time HTC failed on the big picture.
Thank you for your feedback I really appreciate it.
if you do a lot of web browsing then the HD7 will have better battery life. SAMOLED is only better for battery consumption if the screen is darker.. web pages tend to be white.
but if you think that the omnia 7 feels better and really dislike the HD7 and you don't need ample space, get the omnia 7. but have you held the HD7? it feels nice man! very good build quality!
the omnia 7 is really popular and it's showing as out of stock at quite a few places so good luck finding one
Thanks for the tip man.
I think that’s why they have a stronger battery that will do for 18 hours without any problems.
Anyway, the feel is not what I am worried about. I am sure that is ok.
Plus, Omnia is thinner, lighter ( almost 20%!) plus made from metal.
It’s the overall build quality that worries me a lot..
Anyone who dissembled HTC knows what I am talking about. Look at that video.
That is not industrial engineering.
Everything is cheap on that phone. I can’t recognize HTC build quality.
Yes, I have preordered on HD7 @ expansys ( for eastern europe countries.)
They do have omia7 on stock.
Question:
Does anyone knows if Omnia 7 screen is with “gorilla” protection? (100% sure?)
I also was pretty much 100% sure I would never be able to survive with 8GB of storage, I needed 32GB ideally and 16GB at a stretch. Because of this I decided to get the HD7 over the Omnia 7, After just over a week of owning it I returned it and got a Omnia 7 instead. I still have tones of space left too, I set all my photos to auto-upload and I subscribe to Zune Pass so can stream all the music OTA, works very well.
FooisM said:
This... The main reason im getting the HD7 is because I can put a 32 gig card out of my HD into it
Why do you need a excuse? With the things you've stated, its obvious that you want the omnia... just get it
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<<this... I just made the point that performance could be improved with some DIY, you've made you mind up that the Samsung is a better fit for you, go buy one.
But as per a previous thread you started there currently is no VNC client, so don't expect to be doing remote desktop on either handset for a while.
As to the memory ok the trophy took 4 seconds longer to boot (all my HTC phones have always taken an age to boot) and 7 seconds to load the game, but is it really that bad? A faster card would improve app loading but I doubt very much that the OS loading would improve as that's in nand or at least I'd assume else you wouldn't be able to boot the handset with a new card.
Sorry about my initial response, but it still feels like you are here to praise up the Omnia7 while trolling the HD7.
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I also was pretty much 100% sure I would never be able to survive with 8GB of storage, I needed 32GB ideally and 16GB at a stretch. Because of this I decided to get the HD7 over the Omnia 7, After just over a week of owning it I returned it and got a Omnia 7 instead. I still have tones of space left too, I set all my photos to auto-upload and I subscribe to Zune Pass so can stream all the music OTA, works very well.
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Man,
you didn’t returned it because you had extra space left on you HD7 ?
Why did you returned it in the first place?
I believe you are the only one that had both of them.
Can you confirm "Gorilla" screen and throw in some more comparison info?
Battery life, signal straight etc. Whatever you think it’s a valuable to know!
Thanks!
Can someone confirm "Gorila glass" on Samsung Omnia 7? (100% sure)
Thanks!
KraFT_mk said:
I need your help fast!
I know this is little "unethical" but after so many "copy-paste" reviews I must turn for your help.
Please give me a reason NOT to replace my HTC HD7 pre-order with Samsung Omnia 7.
I preordered HD7 but I am slowly getting disappointed reading all the reviews.
Why?
HD7 vs Omina7
Crappy class 2 SD card vs. Nand ( 8gigs is enough for me )
Cheap plastic cover vs. almost full metal.
Standard TFT (not super TFT) versus Amoled. (4.3 vs 4.0) (0.3 diference)
122.0mm vs 122.4 mm
68.0mm vs 64.2 mm
11.2mm vs 10.99 mm;
Weight: 162g vs 138g
Crappy pink photo and video on HD7 vs ( can’t find decent review)
Battery 1200 vs 1500
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the HTC is solidly built and looks really classy
the samsung is a bit of an ugly lump
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Man,
you didn’t returned it because you had extra space left on you HD7 ?
Why did you returned it in the first place?
I believe you are the only one that had both of them.
Can you confirm "Gorilla" screen and throw in some more comparison info?
Battery life, signal straight etc. Whatever you think it’s a valuable to know!
Thanks!
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No no, I returned the HD7 because the build quality was woefully lacking, imo there was no way that thing would last for 18 months. I don't know about the whole Gorilla screen but I'm not going to start scratching it to find out
Battery life is better, but not by a massive amount, I would estimate probably a day and a half of heavy use.
Other things I have noticed, games and apps load a hell of a lot faster, the only advantage my HD7 had to my Omnia 7 was the double storage, the Omnia is much much better built, has a far better screen and is faster too.
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No no, I returned the HD7 because the build quality was woefully lacking, imo there was no way that thing would last for 18 months. I don't know about the whole Gorilla screen but I'm not going to start scratching it to find out
Battery life is better, but not by a massive amount, I would estimate probably a day and a half of heavy use.
Other things I have noticed, games and apps load a hell of a lot faster, the only advantage my HD7 had to my Omnia 7 was the double storage, the Omnia is much much better built, has a far better screen and is faster too.
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sorry, the build quality on the HD7 is excellent
the screen is glass
the band round it is smart and makes it feel sturdy
the back is soft and lovely to hold and pretty firm. A new battery back can be bought from HTC in any event.
in terms of the speed, I simply don't believe you. I think some reverse justification is going on here. My HD7 is the fastest phone I have ever used
KraFT_mk said:
Yes, I need like 2 gigs max for all my multimedia needs. ( 10 or 20 mp3 albums max)
I have never ever watched any movies on mu mobile. Just few South Park`s and that’s all…
I do a lots of browsing, remote desktop, business applications.
I had in the past HTC diamond 1 and now Diamond 2.
HTC D1 had 4GB onboard while HTC D2 had sd card. (Class4)
The difference is huge.
I do know how to handle a screwdriver but why should I do that in the first place.
I did that with all my HTC`s but with a good reason…
Anyway, what about the total experience.
Why Dolby ? With 1200 battery? Or dual flash with that crappy picture?
And it’s the same problem that is going on for years.
Thin plastic for protection?
The video for SD card replacement shows how fragile this phone is.
One angular drop and …
I think that this time HTC failed on the big picture.
Thank you for your feedback I really appreciate it.
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what plastic on the hd7. I played with one yesterday for about 30minutes, it's a solid metal feeling phone.
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what plastic on the hd7. I played with one yesterday for about 30minutes, it's a solid metal feeling phone.
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The back is made of soft touch plastic, something I prefer over shiny metal. And the phone build quality is excellent. It feels as strong as Iphone 4, which also means you don't want to drop the phone because the screen is also of glass.
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sorry, the build quality on the HD7 is excellent
the screen is glass
the band round it is smart and makes it feel sturdy
the back is soft and lovely to hold and pretty firm. A new battery back can be bought from HTC in any event.
in terms of the speed, I simply don't believe you. I think some reverse justification is going on here. My HD7 is the fastest phone I have ever used
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When I said it is faster I meant at loading apps and games, it is much faster.
And as for the build quality I guess its slightly subjective, but I would say if you have only had it for a couple days wait till you have had it for over a week. The hardware buttons on my one were truly awful, the have no click to them and I would press the camera and volume buttons all the time without even realising.
The back plastic was marked after 1 week by the case I was sold with it from the O2 store, and the black plastic back is not as sturdy as the full metal back of my Omnia 7.
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When I said it is faster I meant at loading apps and games, it is much faster.
And as for the build quality I guess its slightly subjective, but I would say if you have only had it for a couple days wait till you have had it for over a week. The hardware buttons on my one were truly awful, the have no click to them and I would press the camera and volume buttons all the time without even realising.
The back plastic was marked after 1 week by the case I was sold with it from the O2 store, and the black plastic back is not as sturdy as the full metal back of my Omnia 7.
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I don't notice any difference in the buttons between this and other HTC phones to be honest.
I use an HTC case and its fine. A bad case can mark any phone.
A metal back will be more sturdy, sure, but I have no complaints about the HTC HT7 one
Hey All,
I'm having a very hard time deciding whether to get the HTC HD7 or the Samsung Focus and was wondering if any of you could help out.
I'm going to post this in the Samsung Focus Forum as well to get their side of things so I mainly want to know from the HD7 owner's side of the story.
HTC HD7
Large 4.3" Screen (the main reason I want to get it)
Really nice design - mainly screen (Focus has too much plastic around the screen)
16GB Built in memory with option to void warranty and upgrade
Kickstand which will be useful since there are no docks available.
Dual LED flash - not too important for me as I hear the HD7 camera isn't too great.
Heavier than the Focus - seriously, I do prefer a denser phone
Comes with free GPS Navigation Software.
Samsung Focus
Amazing 4" SAMOLED display (although it is smaller than the HD7). I have a Zune HD and the quality of that screen is amazing.
Design is OK, a little plasticky for my taste
Very light, this is an advantage (even though I prefer a denser phone) as it is less noticeable in your pocket.
8GB NAND memory which appears to be much, much faster than the HD7 with the option to upgrade to 40GB with a 32GB card without voiding warranty. 16GB is probably enough for me but 8GB is definitely too small.
According to reviews, has an excellent camera.
Now my decision is even harder because I will not be able to see the devices until I buy one as I live in South Africa and will be getting a relative to send the device out to me. I will be immigrating to the US in less than a years time so if I get the HD7 I will be going with T-Mobile and if I get the Focus I will be going with AT&T as my SP. (Is one better / cheaper than the other?)
I hope you guys can provide me with some information to sway me either way
Thanks,
Jonno
Hi Jonno!
I kind of understand how you are feeling right now because I was also in this situation and when WP7 launched on 11th October I wanted to buy the Omnia 7. It depends what you really need/want from a phone.
Personally , I am not into S-AMOLED screens because of the lower sharpness and I am also not too overwhelmed by having the guy next to me reading all my messages etc. Vibrant colors is cool but you'll get bored of this pretty fast.
The official micro-SD support one the most important advantages if you ask me and NAND is indeed faster BUT I also think apps are not yet optimised for HD7's memory and might see an update soon ,because let's face it, the hardware is there and it can help.
Also a larger battery the 1500 one but the S-AMOLED screen kinda compensates the bigger battery and good sAR values but honestly I wouldn't mind having a 1500 in my HD7
For me, when I pay big cash for a phone I want to have a good-looking one and I might refuse a bit better specs for a gorgeous design which HD7 clearly has.
So, if you want a phone that simply has the specs go for the Samsung, if you want a sexy phone with a BIG display go for the HD7.
P.S. Are you saying you will be buying it in an almost 1 year time ? Ouch , by then you will have a better OS and other devices as well
Hi yly3,
Thanks very much for that advice.
I'm not necessarily after the best specs, I just want to be happy with my decision and I will never be happy until I research all of the options and am sure that I know what I want to do.
Yeah, I'm not too worried about the viewing angles (would also rather have poor angles so that I have my phone to myself). I just noticed in the Focus videos that the display seems almost surreal - the visuals just appeared on the top of the device as if there was no screen.
I'm also wondering about the speed of the two devices. If I get a Focus I will most likely be adding a SD card to it anyway so it'd be interesting to know the performance changes when a card is added to the Focus.
Yeah, as long as the battery lasts me the whole day I'm fine. Will charge it at nights anyway.
I would like this phone to act as a bit of an ambassador for the platform as I'm not sure when it's going to be launched in this country.
Oh, and no, I will be moving to the States in a year but hopefully purchase the device before the end of the month.
S-AMOLED or not the battery will last a little bit longer than HD7's one. Although reading through Microsoft forums I saw that there is not much of a difference between the batteries, Samsung might win in standby mode or using the phone only as a phone.
About the cards, it seems Microsoft is on this one and recommends we wait for the "official seal of approval cards" from them for the best performance. When those will be available , there is no word yet , in my opinion somewhere in Q2 if you ask me but that's just a wild guess.
A small reminder is that the Samsung has slightly less RAM (512 vs HD7's 576) but I am sure it's not a deal breaker anyway ..
If this helps you with anything Bill Gates' phone is the Focus
Yeah, as long as the performance of the HD7 is not a problem, and from what I've read it isn't, then I don't really mind.
If you add a card to the Focus and fill it up I doubt the performance will be any better that the HD7. As MicroSD cards improve it may be possible to upgrade to faster cards anyway.
Does anyone have any experience on how much bigger the 4.3" screen is than the 4" screen? From the pictures it looks to be quite a bit smaller.
Since the big deciding factor is the screen display, please take the time to read this thread I posted regarding AMOLED color representation
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=840883
Also, watch some review videos comparing the two!
Here's a good one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTLfGbvNATA
Also, since the phones are so similarly spec'd with the main difference being the screen, you should focus (pun!) more of you decision on which carrier is better.
For example, where are you moving to in the US? ATT has a stronger signal in the northeast but tmobile is much better in the south and west coast. The 3g speeds also vary depending on your location and if you use a lot of mobile data, expect to pay more for ATT since they no longer offer unlimited data plans.
Overall, you can expect to pay about 10 dollars less for the same plan on Tmobile vs ATT.
But like I said, service and reception should be your ultimate deciding factor since both phones are almost identical and priced the same.
Good luck with your decision!
One thing that I must say about the Samsung Focus that most people leave out of their reviews is that the back of the phone scratches very easily. Compare it to the iphone chrome rim and you get what I mean. It's been a week since my friend bought his focus and the back has already shown some wear and tear and he pretty much babys his phone. So if you do plan on getting the focus make sure you get a case or whatever.
Also, if you are looking for an "ambassador" device, always go with htc since developers on xda focus more of their time developing on htc devices. I mean the HTC XDA II was the reason why this forum was created!
About prices: everything unlimited- Text, Minutes, & Data.
On T Mobile you ll be paying between $80-$90 a month. But 3g is spotty and indoor 3g sucks with T mobile and I live in south florida. Every time I call to complaint they say their working on it, and thats been for three years now.
On AT&T you will be paying between $135-$145 a month for same service.
only difference is At&T has 3G coverage in way more areas than T mobile.
and they dont have the indoor problem with their 3G.
I have till Monday to return my HD7 and Im still debating on what to do cause Im off contract already. I love the phone but what I like most is the OS, Microsoft has done a beautiful job. Still needs a little touch here and there but awesome start I think. I would love to get the samsung focus phone from AT&T but as you see the prices are way more, I guess thats the price you gotta pay for better service. and Verizon is just as expensive. Sprint is the cheapest but the W7 phone they are coming out with is to small for my taste.
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S-AMOLED or not the battery will last a little bit longer than HD7's one. Although reading through Microsoft forums I saw that there is not much of a difference between the batteries, Samsung might win in standby mode or using the phone only as a phone.
About the cards, it seems Microsoft is on this one and recommends we wait for the "official seal of approval cards" from them for the best performance. When those will be available , there is no word yet , in my opinion somewhere in Q2 if you ask me but that's just a wild guess.
A small reminder is that the Samsung has slightly less RAM (512 vs HD7's 576) but I am sure it's not a deal breaker anyway ..
If this helps you with anything Bill Gates' phone is the Focus
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It seems that for cards right now, the ones to get are sandisk class2, those are the ones that people have gotten to work in the hd7s and the ones that are now coming out microsoft certified.
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Yeah, as long as the performance of the HD7 is not a problem, and from what I've read it isn't, then I don't really mind.
If you add a card to the Focus and fill it up I doubt the performance will be any better that the HD7. As MicroSD cards improve it may be possible to upgrade to faster cards anyway.
Does anyone have any experience on how much bigger the 4.3" screen is than the 4" screen? From the pictures it looks to be quite a bit smaller.
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Also, since the phones are so similarly spec'd with the main difference being the screen, you should focus (pun!) more of you decision on which carrier is better.
For example, where are you moving to in the US? ATT has a stronger signal in the northeast but tmobile is much better in the south and west coast. The 3g speeds also vary depending on your location and if you use a lot of mobile data, expect to pay more for ATT since they no longer offer unlimited data plans.
Overall, you can expect to pay about 10 dollars less for the same plan on Tmobile vs ATT.
But like I said, service and reception should be your ultimate deciding factor since both phones are almost identical and priced the same.
Good luck with your decision!
One thing that I must say about the Samsung Focus that most people leave out of their reviews is that the back of the phone scratches very easily. Compare it to the iphone chrome rim and you get what I mean. It's been a week since my friend bought his focus and the back has already shown some wear and tear and he pretty much babys his phone. So if you do plan on getting the focus make sure you get a case or whatever.
Also, if you are looking for an "ambassador" device, always go with htc since developers on xda focus more of their time developing on htc devices. I mean the HTC XDA II was the reason why this forum was created!
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Definitely want to keep the carriers in mind. At&t will get you signal just about anywhere, but doesn't have the best 3g/4g network so your data may suffer.
Tmobile isn't as widespread as the others, but if you live in a city chances are you are good. I live in San Antonio and always have reception (hspa+)
Yeah i also need an advice. Thinking between Samsung Omnia 7 or HTC HD7
HTC HD7
-better design
-bigger screen
Samsung Omnia 7
-better screen
-better battery life
can anyone help me to choose?
Hmm.. It definitely seems like I'll be going with T-Mobile then as AT&T sound too be just a little too expensive.
Thanks for the link on the Color Reproduction, very interesting!
Also interesting to hear about the Focus scratching, I imagine they used too thin a plastic to make it terribly durable.
Since I'll be stuck in South Africa for another year, the carrier isn't too much of an issue for me right now and I will only be able to fully determine which is best once I've tried them out in the places I'll be.
The HD7 always stuck out as me as the phone to get and I think as I look at it, it's turning out to be the better choice.
Does anyone think it's better to hold off till later next year? Maybe better devices (dual core, etc)? Looks like quite a few more coming next year according to http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/how-htc-and-samsung-look-at-their-windows-phone-7-futures
But then again I can't wait until the next best thing comes out as there will always be some better coming out.
Thanks for all of the responses!
Regarding your concern about waiting another year for updated specs, you will feel the exact same way next year when your buying your newer phone. Think about it in the perspective of an iPhone user...they know for a fact that a new upgraded iphone is coming out in a year but nonetheless theres no talk about waiting another year to see what might be released whether its dual core or 10mp cameras.
The truth of the matter is technology will always be doubling in specs at an exponential rate so theres not point in waiting for a year cuz of course there will be better phones and hardware.
Ever since I bought my first G1, I always upgrade my phone in a year or sometimes less either due to better hardware released or just because I get bored easily. And after I buy the newer phone, I just sell my old one. At most i'll be spending about 100-150 to "upgrade."
For example. I sold my iphone 3gs on craigslist for 350 this summer and bought an iPhone 4 for 450 which was a pretty good deal. I then sold my iphone 4 for 500 and bought an hd2 for 250. And then I recently switched to the hd7 buying it for 450 with no contract.
So don't worry about holding off on buying a phone. They seem to improve at a faster rate than computers/tvs so its really not worth keeping around older hardware that grows more obsolete day by day.
Thanks for that.
Good to hear that you can sell them again for a respectable price.
One problem with technology is that very few people want to buy the old stuff if they have a choice so it's nice to know that it is not so for smart phones.
HD 7 for sure. The differences in AMOLED or whatever is not enough to make up for the sheer 4.3 inch size on the HD7. I loved it on my HD2 and told myself I would never go back to anything smaller. And I meant it. The HD7 is hands above as far as stylish looks and the "WOW" factor when you or someone else picks it up. Bottom line is, better looking phone with about the same performance across the board due to the OS just being that much more efficient.
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Thanks for that.
Good to hear that you can sell them again for a respectable price.
One problem with technology is that very few people want to buy the old stuff if they have a choice so it's nice to know that it is not so for smart phones.
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Last generation Android (Moto Droid, Nexus One, Desire) and iOS phones are usually in great demand since most people won't pay $500+ premium prices for the top of the line phones.
The majority of XDA community make up the small percentage of hardcore phone users that are willing to shell out however much for the newest spankn phones.
For your situation, as long as WP7 doenst end up flopping like the Palm webOS, you can expect the resell value of the HD7 to be pretty good in a year.
Had the same problem.
Solved, but wont tell you how
->> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833140
I have been a avid android user and supporter for some years now but lately some of the models has started to let me down as time as has started to pass. Presently there are no Android phones that really gets me going and at the same point I would like to try out Windows Phone 8, but then problem comes; which phone to choose >.<
I ideally want one which has a MicroSD card slot, since I have a 64 gig card in my 9305 (SGS3 4g) that I want to transplant over, but hopefully at the same time not being forced to stick with an inferior WinMob model or version compared to what is already around and available. I am living in Europe which naturally also puts a hamper on the available models to me.
But any recommendations?
The top-end Windows Phone handset that also offers microSD support is the Samsung Ativ S. It's basically identical hardware to the GS3, though you might get better performance than was possible with Android (WP7 was better than Android on the same hardware, not sure about WP8). The best WP8 devices in general are going to be the Lumia 92x (920 and the recently-announced 925 and 928) models, but while these come with up to 32GB of internal storage they lack microSD cards, and their CPU/GPU/RAM are basically the same as the Ativ S (resolution is very slightly higher, 1280x768 instead of 1280x720).
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I have been a avid android user and supporter for some years now but lately some of the models has started to let me down as time as has started to pass. Presently there are no Android phones that really gets me going and at the same point I would like to try out Windows Phone 8, but then problem comes; which phone to choose >.<
I ideally want one which has a MicroSD card slot, since I have a 64 gig card in my 9305 (SGS3 4g) that I want to transplant over, but hopefully at the same time not being forced to stick with an inferior WinMob model or version compared to what is already around and available. I am living in Europe which naturally also puts a hamper on the available models to me.
But any recommendations?
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Well, do you have a budget in mind? Although the Samsung Ativ S is a good phone, they lack of any particular support from Samsung is damning. As a result, as of now, if you really want a high end Windows Phone which will also get supported from the maker, then that has to be the Lumia 920 (although it doesn't have a card slot). The other option would be to get hold of the Lumia 720 (incredibly sleek as well as having a card slot), though not really high end, but in many opinions, better than the Lumia 820 (which does have a better screen aspect ratio).
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Well, do you have a budget in mind? Although the Samsung Ativ S is a good phone, they lack of any particular support from Samsung is damning. As a result, as of now, if you really want a high end Windows Phone which will also get supported from the maker, then that has to be the Lumia 920 (although it doesn't have a card slot). The other option would be to get hold of the Lumia 720 (incredibly sleek as well as having a card slot), though not really high end, but in many opinions, better than the Lumia 820 (which does have a better screen aspect ratio).
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The OS support mainly comes from Microsoft may be Nokia has some more features but all OS updates come from Microsoft for all the devices AFAIK
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The OS support mainly comes from Microsoft may be Nokia has some more features but all OS updates come from Microsoft for all the devices AFAIK
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Yes that is true. MSFT will send out the updates and they do sport the same features, but what I meant was by the way of differentiation. Nokia with its various apps (especially Here Maps and Here Drive) amongst other stellar apps is really making a difference to the ecosystem. They regularly update their apps, as well as sporting many games and apps which are Nokia exclusive. Just look at the recently announced Hipstamatic app. It will first come to Nokia for an exclusive period.
All I meant to say was, by and far, Nokia is the only phone developer who is taking the ecosystem seriously and furthering its development.
Currently the Ativ S is the only top-tier WP8 phone with an SD card slot, but it is nigh impossible to get in the states, and I'm not even sure what carriers whould support it. Plus, WP8 is an afterthought to Samsung, so don't expect much in the way of support for the phone.
Nokia is a fantastic company, makes great phones and absolutely supports them beyond what any other cell phone company does. Their flagship phones (i.e. the 920 and variants) are unsurpassed, but they lack SD card support.
The highest end Lumia with SD card support is the 820/822, which is flagship minus the camera and big, high-res screen. Performance is at least as good as the 920 series and better than any Android phone.
The 8X is also an excellent phone, not quite up to par with the 920s but still extremely good. It lacks SD card support and the app support Nokia provides, but is more svelte and "fashionable" if you will.
There are two variants of the Ativ S. The SGH-T899M can be imported from Canada (easily and not particularly expensively), pre-SIM-unlocked and with no external (and very minimal internal; you have to go look for it) carrier branding. It works flawlessly on T-Mobile's bands (including their LTE). It will also work on AT&T, not quite as well (not all of AT&T's LTE bands are supported, I think, but some places are) but well enough.
The Nokia 92x line is definitely the "best" aside from the lack of expandable/removable storage. They have the highest-resolution displays, the most internal storage, the best cameras, and the best apps.
If you like swype keyboards, you'll miss them. Otherwise, the only real nitpick I have is haptic feedback not able to be disabled on the permakeys (back, win key, etc). I only got a Windows phone for app development though. My galaxy nexus is still my normal phone, even if Android is a bit more laggy and eats more battery.
Samsung phones are able to disable the feedback using an OEM app. Other phones would be capable of it if we can break out of the sandbox (yet another thing we had in WP7 and are missing in WP8, at least in the current state of homebrew).