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[Q] Knowing what you know, would you still buy it?

So you guys have had the HD7 for a while now. I know it has bugs at the moment. Its to be expected as the OS is still new.
But would you buy it if you knew what you knew now?

Yes, most certainly. Loving WP7 completely. In terms of hardware, the size of the screen is the deal maker for me. But a surprisingly nice addition is the kick stand, which is both effective, useful and invokes an 'oooh that's cool' from people I show the phone to.

I did buy it, then I returned it.
And got an Omnia 7.

May I ask why?

Absolutley I would, yes, there are are few niggles but this is version 1 of the software and a brand new device FFS. Apple are STILL having problems withe the iphone 4 even now (alarms cannot deal with move to GMT from BST for example). With WP7 you are buying into one of the most promising new mobile phone OS's of recent times IMHO, with the HD7 in particular, you are getting a cool big screen device from a company that has built up a good name for itself in the industry. I currently own the HTC Desire and the HTC HD7. I will be keeping the Desire only until the Kindle app and HTML5/ Flash land for WP7, then that will go on Ebay.
My only fear is that because MS decided to launch without one or two features (Flash/ CutnPaste and turn by turn Nav) it will get hammered by the critics in the tech press and be stillborn. This would be a tragedy - the more competition there is in the smartphone space the better for the consumer.
I also hope the handset manufacturers give it the attention it deserves, recent reports on build quality issues with the HTC Trophy do not bode well

That's a conclusive argument
I'm mainly after one as I'm a software developer and I'm interested in the app platform. Looks good. I will go get one today

Ive had mine a day and love it. Was running andoird on my HD2 previously and loved that. But I love the HD7 more. Ye the app market isnt as large as the other major two OS but I can live with that and times will change.
I had an iphone last year and once you get over the intiial hysteria of having millions of useless apps to download and amuse yourself with its not so important.
Ive not had any bugs with the HD7 yet. What issues have people come across.
My only gripe is that Im stuck with crappy Vodafone until 2012

StaticTony said:
May I ask why?
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Sure, I loved it in the first 2 days but these 4 main reasons cropped up:
1. The phone would crash/lockup, it did this about 6 times in the week I had it.
2.The hard buttons (on/off, volume, camera) had NO click to them, they were completely soft, so I ended up pressing them all the time by accident, I launched the camera so many times when just holding the phone.
3.The case I was sold with it from the O2 store actually marked the back of it. ( a Leather one with a strap you pull to get it out, don't buy it)
4. I had huge doubts about the overall quality of the device, I really really don't think it would last for 18 months.
I understand 1 (possibly) and 3 were not the fault of the actual device but after issues 2 and 4 cropped up I just decided to return it and got a Omnia 7 instead.
So far for me the Omnia 7 is much better, seems much more higher build quality and its made from metal, the buttons have a nice satisfying click to them, and the screen is just gorgeous, aswell as it being much faster at loading apps and games.
The only reason I took the HD7 over the Omnia 7 in the first place was the double storage but that's not worth the trade off for me.

Oh Yes!!
Having bought an iPhone when they first came out and then giving it to one of our engineers within a week (he thought all his birthdays had come at once!) as deemed useless for true functionality compared with WM6. And then enjoyed my Touch HD I was in eager anticipation of the HD7.
Absolutely love it
Good OS - and looking forward to the updates
Brilliant device - everybody that sees it drools over it and rushes to renew their contract
I have been using email on my mobiles for years and have to say that the HD7 is by far the most brilliant device for actually 'doing business' on the move - big & bright and cool to use
Edit: Forgot to mention - the Office Hub is a 'killer': Was at a presentation yesterday with 2min before I stood up and realised I needed info from a spreadsheet which I thought was on my HD7 (but wasn't) - it took me 30secs to get it! - try doing that with an Android or iPhone...
Regards
CD (UK)

The only issue I have so far is the battery life but I've only done a couple of charges so hopefully that will improve.
It's early days for me but at the moment I am happier than I thought I would be. I'm trying Zune pass at the moment and really liking it. Maybe I didn't need the 16GB after all.
I though about the Omnia 7 but didn't want another 18/24 month contract and the PAYG prices being thrown around were a lot more expensive. Plus, I couldn't actually find anyone selling it on PAYG!

Had it for a bit now, had a few bugs happen, but I would not change it for any other phone out there.
Omnia 7 is a 100% no go for me because of the 8gb memory, I only have about 500meg left on my HD7 and will be ugrading to 32gb asap.
Im still not convinced in AMOLED screens, the colours never look right to me and the edges arnt smooth (looking at my sisters and aunts desires) The look stunning, but they dont look real if that makes sence? I would have loved to have an SLCD in it though. But to be honest the HD7 screen looks fantastic because I have the backlight on 100% all the time.
Battery life isnt that bad, it could be better, but it IS better than my HD2's was.
Biggest niggle is bluetooth audio streaming of music doesnt seem to be as high as quality as my HD2s theres everso slight distortion on high notes. Not that noticable, but enough to niggle me.
Once the updates start to roll out its going to be an incredible device.
Im wondering if an update will be rolled out when the US launch happens? why else would it be delayed? or at least im hoping the promised 60 xbox live that were supposed to be available at launch will be availble at the american launch.
Overall best phone I have ever used, the user experiance is fantastic, its just so nice to use every day, and that completely overruls any niggles I have had, which no doubt will be sorted very soon.

Had mine unlocked for 24h now and just learning the OS but what i'm seeing is fantastic! I've come from a HD2 where as soon as i got it i flashed a custom rom then ran adroid on it for ages but now i could never go back even after 24h!!!
there are a few niggles, coming from android where you had settings for everything there does seem to be a real lack of options just the basics to to get you through, i also cant see how to add a picture to a contact who isnt on my facebook?????
i agree with whats been posted before, this OS has the potential to be the best one out there it just needs to grow.

I've had mine for 2 weeks now and love it! Yes some things are missing and there are a few bugs in the OS, but I'm willing to persiverre because what it does give it does really well.
I had an HD2 with Energy's custome roms for a year now and I am so over HTC Sense (I used earlier versions on my Diamond and Orbit too)and now the "new" HTC apps looks very dated amongst the WP7 Metro apps.
Email, something I could not really get working very well on my HD2, runs like a dream on WP7 and I'm turning into a sick email junkie (help!).
As for the screen, everyone keeps knocking this phone in favour of the Samsung, but in reality, the screen on the HD7 is better than the HD2 and can hold it's own. Might not look as good next to a Samsung, but who cares? Are you going to hold an HD7 and Samsung next to each other 24/7? No? Then you won't notice the difference.

Is the email better on the WP7 than Android. The email on Android drove me up the wall with its bugs and weird behaviour. I have seen a few people on this thread mention positively the email so I am hopeful.

Yes, without a doubt, sure it has a few bugs that Microsoft can fix, but these will not stop me loving this device, never going back to an iPhone again, I'll be sticking to Windows Phone or Android devices from here on in, I had the 3GS then the iPhone 4 and now it's on Ebay as I got bored with it

Super Chimp said:
Is the email better on the WP7 than Android.
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You can pinch and zoom with HTML email which is fantastically useful, and keeps the email as the sender intended. From my understanding (Neowin WP7 vs Android Communication Comparison) Android doesn't do this.

foaf said:
You can pinch and zoom with HTML email which is fantastically useful, and keeps the email as the sender intended. From my understanding (Neowin WP7 vs Android Communication Comparison) Android doesn't do this.
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The main problems I had with Android was that I often had issues setting up POP email accounts on it. Also could behave oddly when picking up messages, I used to get phantom messages or it would not pick them up correctly or in some cases at all.

oh yes i would, though tbh i would of sold my fish tank and got it on payg and unlocked it as o2 contract prices are so steep and the coverage i not as good as tmobile (not sure if this is the same everywhere but around where i live its the case). I will be honest if it wasn't for the fact all other devices are only 8gb i would not have gone for the hd7 but rather the omnia but there is no way i can live with 8gb. The only annoying thing is that when i'm playing games i sometimes touch the search button esp if i have the phone plugged in at the time due to the way i then have to hold it, but if you press back it goes right back to where you left off.
in conclusion it was not my phone of choice but my hand was forced by the internal storage but i am glad it was, the omnia is no better and my second choice mozart seems cheap and to smiler to my old desire. I love the size of the phone i was worried when i first saw it but the shape is like nothing i have ever seen and make it slip into the pocket easier then my old desire and yet i get all that screen.

Quick question guys. Does the HD7 not have a flash? I thought it does.

Yes, the HD7 has a dual LED flash (at least mine does!)

HTC HD7 vs. Samsung Omnia 7

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I have changed the original subject because I have made up mind and made my decision based on my conclusions. Anyway, that decision it’s not that important and I don’t want to affect the discussion here.
Thank you all.
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Should I replace my HTC HD7 pre-order with Samsung Omnia 7? Help needed fast ...
I need your help fast!
I know this is little "unethical" but after so many "copy-paste" reviews I must turn for your help.
Please give me a reason NOT to replace my HTC HD7 pre-order with Samsung Omnia 7.
I pre-ordered HD7 but I am slowly getting disappointed reading all the reviews.
Why?
HTC HD7 vs Samsung Omina7 shoot out, KraFT`s style ....
- HTC HD7 only Class2 SD card vs. Samsung Omnia 7 - 8GB NAND Flash memory (8GB is enough for me )
- HTC HD7 SD card class 2 / 8gb is not expandable. Its only hackable.
- HTC HD7 Plastic cover vs. Samsung Omnia 7 - almost full metal. (scroll to 2m:50sec)
- HTC HD7 has old TFT LCD ( not even SUPER TFT) vs . Omnia 7 latest Super-AMOLED LCD TFT.
- HTC HD7 11.2mm vs Samsung Omnia 7 10.99 mm;
- Display size , HTC HD7-4.3 vs Omnia7 - 4.0 (0.3 difference)
- Weight 162g vs 138g
- HD7 Crappy pink photo and video vs Omnia 7 Check yourself.
- HTC HD7 Battery 1200 vs Omnia 7 1500 .
- HTC HD7 Quiet and Mono (not stereo) vs. 20% louder Omnia 7
- For S. Omnia7 , Gorilla protection is very much possible but cant find a clear confirmation.

could always replace the crappy class 2 micro sd for a higher speed and capacity, but it seems like you want someone to blame if you dont like the phone you choose.

The only thing the HD7 has over the Omnia is the larger screen. And the possibility to remove memory and add more, but you stated you don't need it. IMO Omnia is the better pick.

frontieruk said:
could always replace the crappy class 2 micro sd for a higher speed and capacity, but it seems like you want someone to blame if you dont like the phone you choose.
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Please don’t post here anymore for obvious reasons.
I thank you for that.
K

I think for most people in the long run (regardless of whether they agree at this point in time) the decision will come down to "can you survive with 8GB space?"
The omnia 7 is maxed out at 8GB currently (16GB still yet to be seen) and once you take into account the WP7 OS and apps, you will be left with around 6GB space.
Is that enough for what you'd like to do with the phone?
Personally I won't be using my Omnia 7 as a mp3 player but if you intend on using it as your primary music player then I would STRONGLY recommend the HD7 over the Omnia 7
You can easily upgrade the HD7 to 32GB with a higher class microSD card to improve the speed..
If, like me, you don't mind carrying only a few favourite albums and a few favourite videos and no more then go for the Omnia 7.
If you anticipate that you will use more than 6GB then get the HD7.

hboos said:
I think for most people in the long run (regardless of whether they agree at this point in time) the decision will come down to "can you survive with 8GB space?"
The omnia 7 is maxed out at 8GB currently (16GB still yet to be seen) and once you take into account the WP7 OS and apps, you will be left with around 6GB space.
Is that enough for what you'd like to do with the phone?
Personally I won't be using my Omnia 7 as a mp3 player but if you intend on using it as your primary music player then I would STRONGLY recommend the HD7 over the Omnia 7
You can easily upgrade the HD7 to 32GB with a higher class microSD card to improve the speed..
If, like me, you don't mind carrying only a few favourite albums and a few favourite videos and no more then go for the Omnia 7.
If you anticipate that you will use more than 6GB then get the HD7.
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This... The main reason im getting the HD7 is because I can put a 32 gig card out of my HD into it
Why do you need a excuse? With the things you've stated, its obvious that you want the omnia... just get it

Yes, I need like 2 gigs max for all my multimedia needs. ( 10 or 20 mp3 albums max)
I have never ever watched any movies on mu mobile. Just few South Park`s and that’s all…
I do a lots of browsing, remote desktop, business applications.
I had in the past HTC diamond 1 and now Diamond 2.
HTC D1 had 4GB onboard while HTC D2 had sd card. (Class4)
The difference is huge.
I do know how to handle a screwdriver but why should I do that in the first place.
I did that with all my HTC`s but with a good reason…
Anyway, what about the total experience.
Why Dolby ? With 1200 battery? Or dual flash with that crappy picture?
And it’s the same problem that is going on for years.
Thin plastic for protection?
The video for SD card replacement shows how fragile this phone is.
One angular drop and …
I think that this time HTC failed on the big picture.
Thank you for your feedback I really appreciate it.

if you do a lot of web browsing then the HD7 will have better battery life. SAMOLED is only better for battery consumption if the screen is darker.. web pages tend to be white.
but if you think that the omnia 7 feels better and really dislike the HD7 and you don't need ample space, get the omnia 7. but have you held the HD7? it feels nice man! very good build quality!
the omnia 7 is really popular and it's showing as out of stock at quite a few places so good luck finding one

Thanks for the tip man.
I think that’s why they have a stronger battery that will do for 18 hours without any problems.
Anyway, the feel is not what I am worried about. I am sure that is ok.
Plus, Omnia is thinner, lighter ( almost 20%!) plus made from metal.
It’s the overall build quality that worries me a lot..
Anyone who dissembled HTC knows what I am talking about. Look at that video.
That is not industrial engineering.
Everything is cheap on that phone. I can’t recognize HTC build quality.
Yes, I have preordered on HD7 @ expansys ( for eastern europe countries.)
They do have omia7 on stock.
Question:
Does anyone knows if Omnia 7 screen is with “gorilla” protection? (100% sure?)

I also was pretty much 100% sure I would never be able to survive with 8GB of storage, I needed 32GB ideally and 16GB at a stretch. Because of this I decided to get the HD7 over the Omnia 7, After just over a week of owning it I returned it and got a Omnia 7 instead. I still have tones of space left too, I set all my photos to auto-upload and I subscribe to Zune Pass so can stream all the music OTA, works very well.

FooisM said:
This... The main reason im getting the HD7 is because I can put a 32 gig card out of my HD into it
Why do you need a excuse? With the things you've stated, its obvious that you want the omnia... just get it
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<<this... I just made the point that performance could be improved with some DIY, you've made you mind up that the Samsung is a better fit for you, go buy one.
But as per a previous thread you started there currently is no VNC client, so don't expect to be doing remote desktop on either handset for a while.
As to the memory ok the trophy took 4 seconds longer to boot (all my HTC phones have always taken an age to boot) and 7 seconds to load the game, but is it really that bad? A faster card would improve app loading but I doubt very much that the OS loading would improve as that's in nand or at least I'd assume else you wouldn't be able to boot the handset with a new card.
Sorry about my initial response, but it still feels like you are here to praise up the Omnia7 while trolling the HD7.

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I also was pretty much 100% sure I would never be able to survive with 8GB of storage, I needed 32GB ideally and 16GB at a stretch. Because of this I decided to get the HD7 over the Omnia 7, After just over a week of owning it I returned it and got a Omnia 7 instead. I still have tones of space left too, I set all my photos to auto-upload and I subscribe to Zune Pass so can stream all the music OTA, works very well.
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Man,
you didn’t returned it because you had extra space left on you HD7 ?
Why did you returned it in the first place?
I believe you are the only one that had both of them.
Can you confirm "Gorilla" screen and throw in some more comparison info?
Battery life, signal straight etc. Whatever you think it’s a valuable to know!
Thanks!

Can someone confirm "Gorila glass" on Samsung Omnia 7? (100% sure)
Thanks!

KraFT_mk said:
I need your help fast!
I know this is little "unethical" but after so many "copy-paste" reviews I must turn for your help.
Please give me a reason NOT to replace my HTC HD7 pre-order with Samsung Omnia 7.
I preordered HD7 but I am slowly getting disappointed reading all the reviews.
Why?
HD7 vs Omina7
Crappy class 2 SD card vs. Nand ( 8gigs is enough for me )
Cheap plastic cover vs. almost full metal.
Standard TFT (not super TFT) versus Amoled. (4.3 vs 4.0) (0.3 diference)
122.0mm vs 122.4 mm
68.0mm vs 64.2 mm
11.2mm vs 10.99 mm;
Weight: 162g vs 138g
Crappy pink photo and video on HD7 vs ( can’t find decent review)
Battery 1200 vs 1500
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the HTC is solidly built and looks really classy
the samsung is a bit of an ugly lump

KraFT_mk said:
Man,
you didn’t returned it because you had extra space left on you HD7 ?
Why did you returned it in the first place?
I believe you are the only one that had both of them.
Can you confirm "Gorilla" screen and throw in some more comparison info?
Battery life, signal straight etc. Whatever you think it’s a valuable to know!
Thanks!
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No no, I returned the HD7 because the build quality was woefully lacking, imo there was no way that thing would last for 18 months. I don't know about the whole Gorilla screen but I'm not going to start scratching it to find out
Battery life is better, but not by a massive amount, I would estimate probably a day and a half of heavy use.
Other things I have noticed, games and apps load a hell of a lot faster, the only advantage my HD7 had to my Omnia 7 was the double storage, the Omnia is much much better built, has a far better screen and is faster too.

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No no, I returned the HD7 because the build quality was woefully lacking, imo there was no way that thing would last for 18 months. I don't know about the whole Gorilla screen but I'm not going to start scratching it to find out
Battery life is better, but not by a massive amount, I would estimate probably a day and a half of heavy use.
Other things I have noticed, games and apps load a hell of a lot faster, the only advantage my HD7 had to my Omnia 7 was the double storage, the Omnia is much much better built, has a far better screen and is faster too.
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sorry, the build quality on the HD7 is excellent
the screen is glass
the band round it is smart and makes it feel sturdy
the back is soft and lovely to hold and pretty firm. A new battery back can be bought from HTC in any event.
in terms of the speed, I simply don't believe you. I think some reverse justification is going on here. My HD7 is the fastest phone I have ever used

KraFT_mk said:
Yes, I need like 2 gigs max for all my multimedia needs. ( 10 or 20 mp3 albums max)
I have never ever watched any movies on mu mobile. Just few South Park`s and that’s all…
I do a lots of browsing, remote desktop, business applications.
I had in the past HTC diamond 1 and now Diamond 2.
HTC D1 had 4GB onboard while HTC D2 had sd card. (Class4)
The difference is huge.
I do know how to handle a screwdriver but why should I do that in the first place.
I did that with all my HTC`s but with a good reason…
Anyway, what about the total experience.
Why Dolby ? With 1200 battery? Or dual flash with that crappy picture?
And it’s the same problem that is going on for years.
Thin plastic for protection?
The video for SD card replacement shows how fragile this phone is.
One angular drop and …
I think that this time HTC failed on the big picture.
Thank you for your feedback I really appreciate it.
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what plastic on the hd7. I played with one yesterday for about 30minutes, it's a solid metal feeling phone.

nrfitchett4 said:
what plastic on the hd7. I played with one yesterday for about 30minutes, it's a solid metal feeling phone.
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The back is made of soft touch plastic, something I prefer over shiny metal. And the phone build quality is excellent. It feels as strong as Iphone 4, which also means you don't want to drop the phone because the screen is also of glass.

colonel said:
sorry, the build quality on the HD7 is excellent
the screen is glass
the band round it is smart and makes it feel sturdy
the back is soft and lovely to hold and pretty firm. A new battery back can be bought from HTC in any event.
in terms of the speed, I simply don't believe you. I think some reverse justification is going on here. My HD7 is the fastest phone I have ever used
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When I said it is faster I meant at loading apps and games, it is much faster.
And as for the build quality I guess its slightly subjective, but I would say if you have only had it for a couple days wait till you have had it for over a week. The hardware buttons on my one were truly awful, the have no click to them and I would press the camera and volume buttons all the time without even realising.
The back plastic was marked after 1 week by the case I was sold with it from the O2 store, and the black plastic back is not as sturdy as the full metal back of my Omnia 7.

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When I said it is faster I meant at loading apps and games, it is much faster.
And as for the build quality I guess its slightly subjective, but I would say if you have only had it for a couple days wait till you have had it for over a week. The hardware buttons on my one were truly awful, the have no click to them and I would press the camera and volume buttons all the time without even realising.
The back plastic was marked after 1 week by the case I was sold with it from the O2 store, and the black plastic back is not as sturdy as the full metal back of my Omnia 7.
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I don't notice any difference in the buttons between this and other HTC phones to be honest.
I use an HTC case and its fine. A bad case can mark any phone.
A metal back will be more sturdy, sure, but I have no complaints about the HTC HT7 one

HD7S - 1700mAh battery

Well right now my Samsung Captivate is my phone. I hate it to death. I find Android way too buggy. I don't like Apples hardware (small screen, so boxy) and the iOS looks too busy to me. Blackberry doesn't have enough apps and Palm (I'm sorry, HP), well, lets just leave them out of this.
So that leaves Windows Phone. I've been researching it for awhile, and being a graphic designer, I really love how the os looks and how it functions. I am on AT&T, and have heard good things about the HD7. The HD7S for AT&T brings the better screen, and I've also heard the camera is improved (although still 5MP.)
However....I've heard lots of horror stories about battery life. I'm not sure if NoDo improved it at all, that would also be nice to find out. Googling it has been inconclusive. The HD7S comes with the same 1230mAh battery, so I'm wondering if anyone has any experience specially with the HD7 and this (or a similar) 1700mAh battery? Any help, thoughts, comments will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!
edit: Apparently since I'm new I can't post links. But anyways, just type in "1700mah battery hd7" on ebay, and it should come up, from Great Britain.

My suggestion would be to purchase it, and test it for a days against the original, and then post your results back here.
Although it will fit without the need for a back cover, I highly doubt it has a charge life of 1700mAh! But im willing to be proved wrong if you want to buy and test for the community...

He doesn't own the phone yet though he says he's thinking of getting it. Adam you're right to be a bit concerned about the 1230 battery. If you use the phone heavily it will struggle to last the day. But if you check Amazon the reviews day the 1500 batteries are in fact worse coz they're not as good quality as OEM HTC. I'd recommend yo leave the hd7 and look at the Samsung omnia 7 I wish id done this
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My suggestion would be to purchase it, and test it for a days against the original, and then post your results back here.
Although it will fit without the need for a back cover, I highly doubt it has a charge life of 1700mAh! But im willing to be proved wrong if you want to buy and test for the community...
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Yea, probably a good idea. I've heard some people are fine with the battery life.
He doesn't own the phone yet though he says he's thinking of getting it. Adam you're right to be a bit concerned about the 1230 battery. If you use the phone heavily it will struggle to last the day. But if you check Amazon the reviews day the 1500 batteries are in fact worse coz they're not as good quality as OEM HTC. I'd recommend you leave the hd7 and look at the Samsung omnia 7 I wish id done this
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Hmm. That phone does look great. And for an unlocked price it's quite affordable. I also like that it has a super AMOLED screen. That's what my captivate has, and it's the best screen I've ever seen on a mobile device (besides the iPhone 4.) The blacks just blend into the bezel, the colors are vibrant, and the viewing angles are fantastic. Will this phone fully work with AT&T 3G? (7.2MBP). If it does, I think it just replaced the HD7 for Windows Phone candidate.
Also, I'm not going to lie, I'm slightly starting to have second thoughts. Although I love everything about the Windows Phone OS, I'm still slightly worried about the extreme lack of apps on the marketplace. What do you guys think? Are there apps for most things, or do you feel like theres a lot missing still? And is there any indication as to a developer pick-up on for Windows Phone?

adamvk1 said:
Also, I'm not going to lie, I'm slightly starting to have second thoughts. Although I love everything about the Windows Phone OS, I'm still slightly worried about the extreme lack of apps on the marketplace. What do you guys think? Are there apps for most things, or do you feel like theres a lot missing still? And is there any indication as to a developer pick-up on for Windows Phone?
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Completely understand that. When I got my HD7 I was amazed by the OS, and the UI, but after a couple of months it does wear off and then you care more about the apps which are lacking. Some blow the iPhone/Android versions away like IMDB and Facebook. But then there's no Amazon app in the UK yet and the eBay app is a bit iffy. Games are another problem, there's the odd good indie gaming coming through like NinjaBoy and Mars Runner, but not many others. Rest of the games are Microsoft's xbox-branded titles but they are usually very overpriced.
The reason I'd recommend the Samsung is the great screen like you say, and the touch screen will hopefully be better than the HD7 which isn't perfect.

adamvk1 said:
Yea, probably a good idea. I've heard some people are fine with the battery life.
Hmm. That phone does look great. And for an unlocked price it's quite affordable. I also like that it has a super AMOLED screen. That's what my captivate has, and it's the best screen I've ever seen on a mobile device (besides the iPhone 4.) The blacks just blend into the bezel, the colors are vibrant, and the viewing angles are fantastic. Will this phone fully work with AT&T 3G? (7.2MBP). If it does, I think it just replaced the HD7 for Windows Phone candidate.
Also, I'm not going to lie, I'm slightly starting to have second thoughts. Although I love everything about the Windows Phone OS, I'm still slightly worried about the extreme lack of apps on the marketplace. What do you guys think? Are there apps for most things, or do you feel like theres a lot missing still? And is there any indication as to a developer pick-up on for Windows Phone?
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The HD7S doesnt have a SAMOLED screen... it just has a superlcd screen... lot different.

BlitterTwisted said:
Completely understand that. When I got my HD7 I was amazed by the OS, and the UI, but after a couple of months it does wear off and then you care more about the apps which are lacking. Some blow the iPhone/Android versions away like IMDB and Facebook. But then there's no Amazon app in the UK yet and the eBay app is a bit iffy. Games are another problem, there's the odd good indie gaming coming through like NinjaBoy and Mars Runner, but not many others. Rest of the games are Microsoft's xbox-branded titles but they are usually very overpriced.
The reason I'd recommend the Samsung is the great screen like you say, and the touch screen will hopefully be better than the HD7 which isn't perfect.
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Well, I was playing with the HD7 today in the Microsoft Store, and I do really like the phone. Plus when I just read an article by Computer World saying:
Android will dominate global smartphone operating system sales over the next four years, while Windows Phone-based Nokia devices will displace other platforms to surge to second place in 2015, Gartner said in a forecast issued Thursday.
The latest Gartner forecast also shows the Apple's iPhone OS will drop to third behind the Windows Phone software in 2015, while Research in Motion's will dip to the fourth spot that year. IDC has forecast the same overall 2015 rankings.
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But Windows Phone's move into second place by 2015 is the biggest change from prior forecasts. "Gartner has revised its forecast of Windows Phone's market share upward, solely by virtue of Microsoft's alliance with Nokia," Gartner said in a statement.
Gartner analyst Roberta Cozza explained the Windows Phone growth, noting that Nokia will be able to sell Windows Phones at lower prices than many smartphones sold today and to sell them globally through an extensive sales channel.
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So these make me feel more confident that more apps are going to be coming. Also, apparently the Omnia 7 is the Samsung Focus in the US, and the Focus looks butt ugly in my opinion, so I'm gonna stick with the HD7S I think. I could import it from the UK, but then it would be more expensive since it wouldn't be on contract.

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So these make me feel more confident that more apps are going to be coming. Also, apparently the Omnia 7 is the Samsung Focus in the US, and the Focus looks butt ugly in my opinion, so I'm gonna stick with the HD7S I think. I could import it from the UK, but then it would be more expensive since it wouldn't be on contract.
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I'm pretty sure the cases are different and the Omnia feels a lot more expensive to hold in the hand, if that helps at all.
I'm annoyed with my HD7 as I'm considering selling it, but the sharp edge at the bottom has some chips in it even though I've looked after it. That's gonna affect trade in value and it's only a few months old. Think it will always happen due to the design of the phone.

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I'm pretty sure the cases are different and the Omnia feels a lot more expensive to hold in the hand, if that helps at all.
I'm annoyed with my HD7 as I'm considering selling it, but the sharp edge at the bottom has some chips in it even though I've looked after it. That's gonna affect trade in value and it's only a few months old. Think it will always happen due to the design of the phone.
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What do you mean by it had chips in it because of the sharp edges?

adamvk1 said:
What do you mean by it had chips in it because of the sharp edges?
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Look at a picture of the HD7 and you'll see the top and bottom have grills surrounded by a sharp edge of metal. This is painted, so it chips easily - well it does on my phone anyway.
Knowing this I wish I'd put my phone in a case but my iPhone wasn't in a case and held up much better.

I do not believe that the Omnia 7 will work in the US at all. I may be wrong on this but I know that it will not work here in Canada at all.
The Hardware, etc of the Samsung Focus is indeed the same as the Omnia 7 and the one plus about the Focus is that it has an external sd card slot to expand memory where the Omnia 7 does not however... I agree... The Focus is one UGLY phone!!!
I have an HD7 with regular screen and yes... After having my Galaxy S and my Nexus S with SAMOLED screens, you can definitely tell the difference in color, brightness, etc but it is really NOT all that BAD so at this time I would recommend the HD7S with the S-LCD screen from ATT and I think you will be happy.
PS... Buy me one with the S-LCD screen and ship it to me here in Canada... LOL!!!

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I do not believe that the Omnia 7 will work in the US at all. I may be wrong on this but I know that it will not work here in Canada at all.
The Hardware, etc of the Samsung Focus is indeed the same as the Omnia 7 and the one plus about the Focus is that it has an external sd card slot to expand memory where the Omnia 7 does not however... I agree... The Focus is one UGLY phone!!!
I have an HD7 with regular screen and yes... After having my Galaxy S and my Nexus S with SAMOLED screens, you can definitely tell the difference in color, brightness, etc but it is really NOT all that BAD so at this time I would recommend the HD7S with the S-LCD screen from ATT and I think you will be happy.
PS... Buy me one with the S-LCD screen and ship it to me here in Canada... LOL!!!
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Haha yea, that's the plan. (Not shipping it to Canada though ) It comes out June 5, but I'm gonna wait until June 6 to buy it since Apple is having their conference, and I want to see what the the new iPhone will have to offer.

At&t htc hd7s

Local AT&T store just called. HD7S stock just arrived and they have my name on one for a Sunday pick up. After three plus years of Energy ROMs on a Fuze then a Tilt 2, I'm movin' on up. Life is good.

Lol u will love it! Life is good with an OS like wp7

You will have to let us know how it compares to the Fuze, screen apparence, physical keyboard vs the on screen. How is the vibration comparitively? Supposedly they upgraded the camera also, so will you let us in on all the hardware goodies, pretty please?

Got it !!
The HD7S is not a bad PDA - I am happy. Nice workmanship, feels solid. The vibrator is lighter than the Tilt 2 and the Fuze, but I can still feel it in my pocket. The screen is definitely bright enough for me (my eyes seem to be having some sort of increasing birthday issues) and the font crisp and well contrasted. The phone works and gets good reception at the house. (NOTE: The reason I use AT&T is that after trying others they consistently give me 2-3 bars at home vice 0-1 with the others). Call quality is good.
The only negative surprise is minor. The USB connection on the HD7S is micro not mini, so I have to get a mini-to-micro adapter or a second USB cable so I can charge it at night at bedside (so I can also answer it) and have a cable connected to the PC to sync with.
I have a LOT of work to do to configure and get WP7 the way I want it, but that is the fun of owning a new phone.
I will likely miss NRG and the new ROM loads 2-3 times per month, but a (much) faster, more capable PDA and operating system is not a bad thing. Besides, my wife now has the Tilt 2 so I can still install new NRG ROMs to my heart's content.
For now, I'm a happy camper.

You might be surprised to find that you don't in fact miss installing ROMs . WP is nice like that.
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Quick question guys i went out yesterday 5 and got the hd7s from att but question is i have windows xp 32bit computer how can i unlock this beast please can i get a little insight here thanks in adavance .

Awesome thanks, keep us posted on how it is working hardware wise, congrats. Enjoy.

I just picked up an hd7s yesterday on launch day.. awesome phone.
I was an Android developer with 2 apps in the top 20 of their categories until google banned my developer account so I decided to go with wp7. I would definately say this hd7s absolutely blows away any android phone out. Everything is responsive and fast, with all android phones there was always a very slight but noticable lag with everything you did such as button presses, swiping, etc.. The screen on this phone is awesome, I have it sitting next to my nexus one right now which has a super amoled screen, and it definately blows it away.. I'll try to post some comparison pics later
My rating for the hd7s: 9.5/10

I am really glad you like your WP7 phone -- welcome to the family .
I'm surprised to see you say that the HD7S screen "blows away" an AMOLED one...
I have a Dell Venue Pro and an HD7 and concluded that the HD7S doesn't even come close to the DVP's AMOLED screen, and is only marginally better -- if at all -- than the old-fashioned TFT LCD on the HD7.
Regardless of the characteristics of the screen though I agree that the whole experience is more fluid than even very powerful Android phones I've seen.

Happiness continues
Wow, I am super impressed with the Bluetooth and WiFi ease of use and speed and strength of connection when compared to both the Fuze and Tilt 2. (Yes, both both the latest, most bestest radios ... forgive slaughter of the English.) The GPS response on the HD7S is also much better and faster.
I knew in advance that WP7 and Outlook did not communicate well and had already set up the Zune and WindowsLive accounts to assure quick and "automatic" sync of Contacts and Calendar. This worked exactly as advertised (whether you like it or not). It did sync and within minutes of activating the phone and telling it what my Windows Live address was it synced and calendar and contact info populated the HD7S.
What I did not anticipate is that the "other" info on both calendar and contacts did not populate and there is no way for it even to show up in wp7. Yet I know that the calendar and contacts are fully and identically readable on Windows Live/MSN. For example, I use the "Notes" portion of a calendar item to copy the inviting e-mail, or directions or maps or - most importantly - the agenda for a meeting. These things do not sync for some reason (or I screwed something up or "there is an app for that" and I just haven't found it yet.)
Minor, but a pain in the....uh, never mind, I don't want to be accused of doing a Weiner.
Mango to solve?

Welcome to the WP7 family lol. I for one do not in any way miss flashing a new rom every 2 weeks or so. When I finally got fed up with winmo, I briefly switched to android by flashing my HD2 with dft's nand magldr. IDK exactly what it was about android that never gave me that "fulfillment" that winmo gave me but I gave WP7 a try and I never looked back!

Still OK ?
Things still going well integrating the HD7S and WP7 into my life. And, surprisingly, there is a life after weekly WM6.5 ROM loads. NO issues and the one I did have reading my contact and calendar notes seems to have disappeared since I can now do so, but not PDFs and pictures. So I make sure that the agendas and directions etc I put into calendater "notes" are in plain text etc. And what the heck, a pretty agenda is no more informative than it is in plain text. But those are WP7 issues.
With the HD7S itself I see no issues with "new" stuff: the screen is a bit better and present me with no problems. The "pinking" of the photos taken on the HD7 do not appear to my eyes and the goldish color underneath the kickstand is not peeling (unless HTC or AT&T tells me it's real gold, then they will have big time peeling issues with your phones, not mine.)
Looks like we can just fold into the HD7 forums seamlessly and rest assured that any problems that affect it will affect the HD7S and vice versa.
What's your experience?

Quick question deryl, I just received mine in the mail and it is a beautiful piece of machinery, however I find that my power button is spongey like has no click feeling... Do you or anyone else who owns this phone feel the same?

ibby03 said:
Quick question deryl, I just received mine in the mail and it is a beautiful piece of machinery, however I find that my power button is spongey like has no click feeling... Do you or anyone else who owns this phone feel the same?
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It's not supposed to click.
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truckerdewd said:
It's not supposed to click.
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Exactly the answer I was looking for lol Thanks

To click or not to click...
Truckerdewd is correct.
Our phones on/off do not click crisply as do some, but softly and not even with a "click". There is a difference between the HD7 and the HD7S in that the complaints from some about the on/off button being too difficult reach and maneuver in the HD7, was solved by slightly raising the button heighth but not so much that it will activate in the pocket. I learned that from a utube or podcast review of the HD7S a few weeks ago.
I am also told that the camera button was also a bit difficult to activate. Supposedly it works ok, just hard to engage since it sat a bit low in the housing. But it seems that they raised that button as well because it works just fine for me. The proof will be in the pudding since taking a nice still of Mt Rainier is not the same as capturing a bank robber in the act. Not that I plan to take the latter picure.

derylmccarty said:
Truckerdewd is correct.
Our phones on/off do not click crisply as do some, but softly and not even with a "click". There is a difference between the HD7 and the HD7S in that the complaints from some about the on/off button being too difficult reach and maneuver in the HD7, was solved by slightly raising the button heighth but not so much that it will activate in the pocket. I learned that from a utube or podcast review of the HD7S a few weeks ago.
I am also told that the camera button was also a bit difficult to activate. Supposedly it works ok, just hard to engage since it sat a bit low in the housing. But it seems that they raised that button as well because it works just fine for me. The proof will be in the pudding since taking a nice still of Mt Rainier is not the same as capturing a bank robber in the act. Not that I plan to take the latter picure.
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I have an HD7 from T-Mobile and don't have any problems with the buttons. Got it at the end of April and have had no problems at all with it. I also have a myTouxh 4G and have no problems with the buttons on it either, the power button doesn't click on it either. Nor did the HD2 I had before these. I think you'll find that HTC makes a quality product. I've never had any problems with any HTC phone
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Any way to enable modem tethering on this phone like with the T-Mobile HD7?

HS7S Pocketnow Review
Adam Z Lein today did a pretty full review of our AT&T HD7S on the Pocketnow website. It includes a rehash of some of the HD7 (T-Mobile) complaints (buttons, pink pics, etc) and some unboxing vids as well as some pretty good hands-on and use comparisons. All-in-all Adam did a fair and unbiased review that exposed both warts (screen in sunlight not that much better than HD7, color banding not much improved) and smiles (battery life and button operation).
What I especially appreciated is Adam seeming to confirm what I was beginning to suspect: for my same usage patterns, the HD7S battery life is way way way better (even though it has a smaller capacity battery - 1500 mah versus 1230 mah) than my much beloved by me Tilt 2.

derylmccarty said:
Adam Z Lein today did a pretty full review of our AT&T HD7S on the Pocketnow website. It includes a rehash of some of the HD7 (T-Mobile) complaints (buttons, pink pics, etc) and some unboxing vids as well as some pretty good hands-on and use comparisons. All-in-all Adam did a fair and unbiased review that exposed both warts (screen in sunlight not that much better than HD7, color banding not much improved) and smiles (battery life and button operation).
What I especially appreciated is Adam seeming to confirm what I was beginning to suspect: for my same usage patterns, the HD7S battery life is way way way better (even though it has a smaller capacity battery - 1500 mah versus 1230 mah) than my much beloved by me Tilt 2.
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I don't have any of these reported issues on my HD7
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XT890 / Razr I case in the UK

This phone has been out for like a month now (i think) yet there are no specifically designed cases for it!
I don't want mine getting damaged and I don't want a pouch/sock for it as they are useless!
Anyone found any in the UK? All I want is a simple silicon case for protecting the back/sides

mrapoc said:
This phone has been out for like a month now (i think) yet there are no specifically designed cases for it!
I don't want mine getting damaged and I don't want a pouch/sock for it as they are useless!
Anyone found any in the UK? All I want is a simple silicon case for protecting the back/sides
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Hi. I start a similar treat a few days ago
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1928618

looks good but where can I get one from in the UK?

mrapoc said:
looks good but where can I get one from in the UK?
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I've been looking with no luck yet for a UK distributor. I'm just looking for a simple gel case for a couple of quid, but can't find anything. Strange since I think that there will be quite a good market for this excellent little handset.

chronicle said:
I've been looking with no luck yet for a UK distributor. I'm just looking for a simple gel case for a couple of quid, but can't find anything. Strange since I think that there will be quite a good market for this excellent little handset.
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The phone deserves to sell well, but I am not sure it quite has the distribution to make it a success. I've tried my best by giving it a good (and totally deserved) review, and other reviews on the net are all positive too.
However, you'd have thought someone would have made a case by now, especially as it's essentially the same as the Razr M so the Chinese (and even UK factories that make cases) knew the dimensions in advance.
We also need to get a docking station (I am sure there must be one for the M) and the in-car holder, which - if it's the same as the one for the Atrix and original RAZR - is excellent.

jonmorris said:
The phone deserves to sell well, but I am not sure it quite has the distribution to make it a success. I've tried my best by giving it a good (and totally deserved) review, and other reviews on the net are all positive too.
However, you'd have thought someone would have made a case by now, especially as it's essentially the same as the Razr M so the Chinese (and even UK factories that make cases) knew the dimensions in advance.
We also need to get a docking station (I am sure there must be one for the M) and the in-car holder, which - if it's the same as the one for the Atrix and original RAZR - is excellent.
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I agree, it's a very solid phone. I bought one as a stop gap after my SGS2 decided to die on it's ass. I actually much prefer it to the SGS2, the construction is top notch, it's very fast - i have noticed no difference in the OS speed compared to the SGS2, indeed I have noticed that the Razr i is a hell of a lot faster in the browser & camera department. I can see myself keeping hold of this for quite a while.
The only annoyance is the silly swipe right to get to the short-cuts instead of dragging down from the top, and there is no shortcut to turn off auto-rotate screen easily. Would prefer a user replaceable battery but I'm finding that this lasts about 4 hours longer than my SGS2 does with the 2000mah extended battery.
I'm sure cases will become available soon. If not then i'll just get a Razr M version instead. Top phone, pleasant surprise. 9/10

chronicle said:
I agree, it's a very solid phone. I bought one as a stop gap after my SGS2 decided to die on it's ass. I actually much prefer it to the SGS2, the construction is top notch, it's very fast - i have noticed no difference in the OS speed compared to the SGS2, indeed I have noticed that the Razr i is a hell of a lot faster in the browser & camera department. I can see myself keeping hold of this for quite a while.
The only annoyance is the silly swipe right to get to the short-cuts instead of dragging down from the top, and there is no shortcut to turn off auto-rotate screen easily. Would prefer a user replaceable battery but I'm finding that this lasts about 4 hours longer than my SGS2 does with the 2000mah extended battery.
I'm sure cases will become available soon. If not then i'll just get a Razr M version instead. Top phone, pleasant surprise. 9/10
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Get another launcher for a more traditional launcher experience, without the left hand settings panel (which is actually quite useful - but I agree would be nice to toggle on/off). You can however still get to settings from the pull down notifications - it's the star at the top right (next to the X to close all notifications).
The only annoying thing for me is the stuttering for the animation when you zoom out to view all the pages, which isn't even something I'd want to do - but I can't turn it off.
Oh, and not being able to change the shortcuts from the lock screen. I'd rather be able to quickly open GMail than the camera, which I can fire up at any time anyway.
But these are minor issues and overall I'm extremely happy with the phone and don't even feel like I'm missing out on the 1280x720 pixel display I had before, or even care about the PenTile matrix display - given how nice it is overall.

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We also need to get a docking station (I am sure there must be one for the M) and the in-car holder, which - if it's the same as the one for the Atrix and original RAZR - is excellent.
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I have found a charge cradle/dock that fits and works for the Razr i. It's for a Motorola Droid 4 XT894 BC77 on ebay and item number 261086930145. Works a charm.

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The only annoying thing for me is the stuttering for the animation when you zoom out to view all the pages, which isn't even something I'd want to do - but I can't turn it off.
Oh, and not being able to change the shortcuts from the lock screen. I'd rather be able to quickly open GMail than the camera, which I can fire up at any time anyway.
But these are minor issues and overall I'm extremely happy with the phone and don't even feel like I'm missing out on the 1280x720 pixel display I had before, or even care about the PenTile matrix display - given how nice it is overall.
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So it does. I hadn't held the home button down until now, I see the animation stutter slightly in both directions as it pans in & out. Obviously that needs a tweek, although Jelly Bean will hopefully be along before too long.
It's odd that we can't change the shortcuts on the home screen, I was looking for that feature for a while. I'd like to replace camera with an email shortcut too.

Just got a reply from mobilefun.co.uk - Looks like all the usual accessory paraphernalia for this phone will become available within the next 2 weeks.
Thank you for your email,
I am sorry to hear that you can not find any products for your phone however have some great news.
Please check back in the next 2 weeks at which point we should be live with a selection of motorola razr i products.
Hope this helps

Razr i case
I have just got a case from Amazon for my Razr i, & it fits almost perfectly.
I went around the local phone shops & compared sizes. The closest I got was a Nokia Lumia 800. This case is leather, extremely well made, & looks great.
It was, wait for it........................£4.99 for a real leather case with free delivery. Bargain!
It is a teeny tiny bit small, but the clasp closes with no problem, all the buttons & sockets are not covered, & it is securely held. To be honest, it looks like it was made for the Razr.
Search for "Terrapin Lumia 800" on Amazon & it is the second one down (leather with cream inside). Can't post links yet.
Mark

Not a great pic, but it should give you some idea

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Not a great pic, but it should give you some idea
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Hii! can you post a screenshot of your home screen please? =D

This ok?

Nice homescreen
Did you changed launcher ? (say it because of the icons from the dock)

chronicle said:
Just got a reply from mobilefun.co.uk - Looks like all the usual accessory paraphernalia for this phone will become available within the next 2 weeks.
Thank you for your email,
I am sorry to hear that you can not find any products for your phone however have some great news.
Please check back in the next 2 weeks at which point we should be live with a selection of motorola razr i products.
Hope this helps
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good to know! mobilefun are my number 1 choice when buying accs for any given phone

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Nice homescreen
Did you changed launcher ? (say it because of the icons from the dock)
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Yes, it's Nova Launcher. Much better.

Mobile Fun
Mobile Fun website is down for almost a week now.
My Razr i on his way and i can't find any cases out there..
any news about skins and cases?

shai347 said:
Mobile Fun website is down for almost a week now.
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working fine here in uk for last week, i've been checking each day too

i go to google and look what i find!!!!!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gel-Case-...90-RAZR-i-Screen-Protection-Kit-/170936654370 or
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_o....m570.l1313&_nkw=xt890&_sacat=20349&_from=R40
its not hard go to google and type what your looking for!!!
all the best moley