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[Q] Does ROM Manager back up the ENTIRE phone?

Silly noob-like question, but I wanted to make sure before I continued messing with my phone.
Does ROM Manager back up EVERYTHING on the phone? For example, I backup my rom. Move the backup file onto my pc. Then I screw around with roms, lag fixes, etc. and totally screw it up. If I "restore" the backup made by ROM Manager, will all my apps, settings, desktop, data files, etc be exactly as they were before I started screwing around?
Or, would I need to use Odin to load the same ROM as that which was backed up and then run Rom Manager Restore?
Thanks!

Yes it does
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Here's another question regarding this thread:
I have the lagfix mod which uses the internal sdcard. When I create a backup will it and restore exactly how it was including the lagfix partition? If yes, is it the same procedures or do I have to do it a different way with the extra partition?
Thanks in advance.

Deca4 said:
Here's another question regarding this thread:
I have the lagfix mod which uses the internal sdcard. When I create a backup will it and restore exactly how it was including the lagfix partition? If yes, is it the same procedures or do I have to do it a different way with the extra partition?
Thanks in advance.
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Actually I am trying to figure out the same thing. I made a backup before I started messing around with lag fixes, different roms and so forth. Then the other day I tried to restore a rom it didn't work. Eventually I soft bricked the phone and had to make the USB Jig to get it working again. Needless to say I am very intrigued with what exactly Rom Manager does backup and its limitations but I can't seem to find it anywhere. I am thinking the reason my backup was screwed up was because of a lag fix, only problem is I can't remember what lag fix I had on it when I did the initial recovery.

Something from my experience to add here:
Scenario 1:
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I backed up the original 2.1 JH7 on my phone.
Installed 2.2 custom ROM, and played around with it.
Backed up 2.2 ROM.
Messed up with my 2.2 custom ROM.
Went to ROM manager recovery, and recovered the backed up 2.1 JH7, and ended up messing up. My phone didn't even boot up.
Then I went back to recovery, and tried restoring the backed up version of 2.2.
Phone booted up into 2.2, but, started giving a lot of FCs.
Scenario 2:
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Installed 2.2 custom ROM 1.
Backed it up.
Messed it.
Restored it - worked fine.
Installed 2.2 custom ROM 2.
Backed it up.
Restored the 2.2 custom ROM 1.
Everything working fine.
Looks like as long as the core OS is of the same version, it seems to work.
Maybe there is something in the boot sequence that's probably not being restored (???)
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Edit: I do not have CWM app installed. I use the CWM update.zip recovery manager since its the least intrusive way.

diablo009 said:
Something from my experience to add here:
Scenario 1:
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I backed up the original 2.1 JH7 on my phone.
Installed 2.2 custom ROM, and played around with it.
Backed up 2.2 ROM.
Messed up with my 2.2 custom ROM.
Went to ROM manager recovery, and recovered the backed up 2.1 JH7, and ended up messing up. My phone didn't even boot up.
Then I went back to recovery, and tried restoring the backed up version of 2.2.
Phone booted up into 2.2, but, started giving a lot of FCs.
Scenario 2:
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Installed 2.2 custom ROM 1.
Backed it up.
Messed it.
Restored it - worked fine.
Installed 2.2 custom ROM 2.
Backed it up.
Restored the 2.2 custom ROM 1.
Everything working fine.
Looks like as long as the core OS is of the same version, it seems to work.
Maybe there is something in the boot sequence that's probably not being restored (???)
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Edit: I do not have CWM app installed. I use the CWM update.zip recovery manager since its the least intrusive way.
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Interesting, it would makes sense in what you are saying. My error that I go was when I went from my original JH7 backup, installed a rom based on JH6 and then tried to install my original backup. I might have to try JH6 roms and see if I can restore to them easily or not. I will have to wait for Micro USB cables to come in as I don't have a spare since I used my only cable to make the JIG.

The kernel and modem aren't backed up, so if your backups use different ones and you try to restore them you'll have issues.

I herd a rumor that rom manager doesn't work with froyo on the captivate. But I could be totally wrong.
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peachpuff said:
The kernel and modem aren't backed up, so if your backups use different ones and you try to restore them you'll have issues.
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This is what I have read about it as well

Voodoo
There is also a different version of CWM Recovery (what Rom Manager uses to back things up) for the voodoo lag fix.

tnerb123 said:
I herd a rumor that rom manager doesn't work with froyo on the captivate. But I could be totally wrong.
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It works. I backed up and restored a few variants of Froyo ROMs.

peachpuff said:
The kernel and modem aren't backed up, so if your backups use different ones and you try to restore them you'll have issues.
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How do I backup these? Is there any way?

If Ron Manager does backup the kernel and modem why would so many people have problems restoring back to different Roms? This is why I am so puzzled with this software.
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Rom Manager can backup EFS folder ??
i lost my imei and the only backup that i have its from Ron Manager

Absolutely it does there!

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but best bet is backup from recovery. Saves everything down to browser login data. Can't go wrong with a full backup! I make one every time I flash just about anything.
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Rom Manager vs CWM Recovery
yes Rom Manager can do backup of phone..but why not just do
a Nandroid Backup from CWM Recovery..
never had problem with Nandroid Backup from CWM Recovery :victory:

dobi3 said:
yes Rom Manager can do backup of phone..but why not just do
a Nandroid Backup from CWM Recovery..
never had problem with Nandroid Backup from CWM Recovery :victory:
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Agreed!
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[Q] Backing up Stock ROM noob question

I'm really a noob in hacking my captivate. So please bear with me with all my questions.
I've tried my best to educate myself about different mods, especially clockworkmod and nandroid. But I couldn't understand what each of these does. I did "Backup Current ROM" in ROM manager recently. (1) Is that considered to be a ROM backup that I can use in the future if I want to restore to stock ROM?
If so, (2) what is the different between that backup method and Nandroid method? I didn't do Nandroid backup because I don't understand how to install it.
(3) If not, am I screwed? Cause I already performed several mods: Voodoo lagfix and ATT app removal. But my captivate is running fine.
I just wanna make sure I can restore back to my Stock ROM when 2.2 update is available. (4) Do I need to restore stock ROM in order to receive and install 2.2 update?
Please educate me on this matter. Thanks!

I use nandroid once I installed a firmware or ROM and apps (Titanium Backup User apps + System data and restored on the ROM Missing Apps + Data) to make a backup.
Now I can restore Nandroid and all my settings/apps are there.
Use Titanium backup to get your apps/settings onto a newly flashed firmware or ROM.

2 good options... My favorite is to use rom manager to do a rom backup.
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hwibowo said:
I'm really a noob in hacking my captivate. So please bear with me with all my questions.
I've tried my best to educate myself about different mods, especially clockworkmod and nandroid. But I couldn't understand what each of these does. I did "Backup Current ROM" in ROM manager recently. (1) Is that considered to be a ROM backup that I can use in the future if I want to restore to stock ROM?
If so, (2) what is the different between that backup method and Nandroid method? I didn't do Nandroid backup because I don't understand how to install it.
(3) If not, am I screwed? Cause I already performed several mods: Voodoo lagfix and ATT app removal. But my captivate is running fine.
I just wanna make sure I can restore back to my Stock ROM when 2.2 update is available. (4) Do I need to restore stock ROM in order to receive and install 2.2 update?
Please educate me on this matter. Thanks!
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1) clockwork mod and nandroid (ROM Manager) are the same thing.
2) as clockwork stands RIGHT NOW (should be changing soon), backing up your current ROM does NOT change your kernel or modem. clockwork is also incompatible with voodoo (you have to disable voodoo to use clockwork, and you can restore voodoo once you're done)
3) to restore to stock "out of the box" state, you will need to use the odin one-click downloader for the Captivate.
4) the process for updating to 2.2 is unknown at this time, we won't know more until the option starts rolling out.

Kaik541 said:
1) clockwork mod and nandroid (ROM Manager) are the same thing.
2) as clockwork stands RIGHT NOW (should be changing soon), backing up your current ROM does NOT change your kernel or modem. clockwork is also incompatible with voodoo (you have to disable voodoo to use clockwork, and you can restore voodoo once you're done)
3) to restore to stock "out of the box" state, you will need to use the odin one-click downloader for the Captivate.
4) the process for updating to 2.2 is unknown at this time, we won't know more until the option starts rolling out.
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Thanks alot! That clears a lot of my confusion.

Kaik541 said:
3) to restore to stock "out of the box" state, you will need to use the odin one-click downloader for the Captivate.
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Thing is, this isn't EXACTLY "out of the box" state. This is a new install of the stock ROM, but it's missing some things that are on the original phone like the file with the easy to get unlock codes.
What I would like to do is backup the entire device as is when it comes out of the box. Basically create an image of the existing device. That way, if I have to revert at any point I know I'm not just reinstalling the stock ROM, but actually reverting to this phones original state.

static416 said:
Thing is, this isn't EXACTLY "out of the box" state. This is a new install of the stock ROM, but it's missing some things that are on the original phone like the file with the easy to get unlock codes.
What I would like to do is backup the entire device as is when it comes out of the box. Basically create an image of the existing device. That way, if I have to revert at any point I know I'm not just reinstalling the stock ROM, but actually reverting to this phones original state.
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Hmmm, good question. The only way to back up that I know of is to use ROM Manager. Since that requires rooting the "damage" may already be done.

The date of the kernel is different from the stock one as well, someone else tried to flash the original stock kernel but said while Odin showed the kernel took, the phone still shows the same with the different date. It would be nice if there was a way to get a completely original stock ROM, so if you have to exchange or something at ATT. I don't know how in depth they get at the store so maybe we'd be able to get away with just the Odin One-Click and they will accept it. If they check the kernel date though, you're screwed. Either way though, once the update comes out, rest assured that someone will post it on here for those of us not running completely original out of the box stock, which I always appreciate.

Comprehensive Backup and Subsequent Restore after a Reflash

I currently have Cognition beta 6 installed and want to reflash or update to beta 9. How can I backup my apps, settings and media? It’s my understanding that TiB is for only apps and will not do non-app-phone-settings (possibly not app settings ether?)? Correct me if I’m wrong on that. Also, should I use Nandroid?
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From the CogWiki:
Can I do an Nandroid Backup when the install is done?
If you are running CogYo beta 6 or later OR Cognition for Eclair, yes, as we can once again get back into Clockwork Recovery.
If you are running beta 5.5 or earlier, no, you can't currently do a clockwork nandroid backup as its not compatible with 2.2's new recovery (3e) without performing the "kernel swap" trick. You can update to a newer version of CogYo or revert to Eclair to re-institute this functionality.
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I am at CogB6 so this applies but I’m not entirely sure what it means.
In summary what can I do to get a comprehensive backup and subsequent restore after a reflash?
Thanks,
JOe K.

Several different things to address first your main question. Yes you need titanium backup. Its a great app and a lifesaver. As for moving phone settings thats when things get tricky. I tried restoring system apps and had horrible luck. It is going to mess things up bc the settings won't be the same and will cause funky bugs. Save your self some time and don't try to move your system settings from version to version.
2nd question clockwork basically makes a complete copy of your phone with all settings apps texts contacts etc. but it is only useful if you screw something up and need to restore your phone to a previous version
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Any way to *fix* a nandroid backup?

Hey guys, new here but I have been lurking for a while.
On Androidforums I have a longer thread detailing what I did, if you want details pm me, I can't post a link yet as I am a noob on this forum.
To make a long story short:
1. I had stock eclair, then rooted with "ryans oclf" and used the lagfix.
2. I decided to try a version of cognition (unhelpfuls kernal). So I backed up my current "rom" using rom managers (which was the stock kernal).
3. Realized that I didn't back anything up so I tried to revert to my backup.
4. relized that I didn't undo the lag fix, and because of this my stock eclair wouldn't restore via rom manger's update.zip file
5. was forced to get cognition running again
6. extraded the files from the .img nandroid bacups from my stock eclair (which is a PITA since the .img files aren't regular mountable .img files - took about an hour of searching)
7. Found the sql databases to restore my text messages and contacts from my stock eclair to this new cognition.
NOW, after a long intro, my question:
The .img files I extracted contained a file named linux.ex2. I assume that this file is where ryans oclf must have been storing the stuff that is causing the restore to fail (it actually completes, but never boots)
Is there any way I can manually repair this nandroid backup? I would like to so that I have a nandroid backup of my stock eclair rom.
BTW, I am pretty good at this kind of thing, but I am not a computer programmer.
I don't have a lot of background info directly related to andorid phones but I am learning quick. I am a Senior in electrical and computer engineering so I do have a light background in programming. luckily I knew enough about sql and command prompts and such to get as far as I did with recovering my contacts/text messages.
If what I want to do is possible I would love to give it a shot. Any help/tips/ideas from you guys would be awesome!
Thanks
-Chad

To me it sounds like your screwed. You did a double bummer.. (backup with LF on, restore a backup with LF ON on your already LF ON rom).
Will see if any other more experienced with backup can help you out, but my answer to you is to go stock and redo sorry.

yeah, well I am willing to try a few different things. I forgot to mention that right before I installed cognition the first time, I did remove the lag fix, I just undid the lagfix before I made the backup.
I have been using cognition for about a week now. I don't really mind it as it seems to work just fine, as It is in fact faster.
Last night after posting my post here I removed the voodoo lag fix and then I made a backup of my current installation of cognition.... So if I have any issues trying to do this I at least have a working/functioning cognition rom.
BTW: I have an unrelated question that is slightly related. If I have to use the odin one click restore at some point, does it clear my internal sd card as well? I see that it says it will clear user data, but doesn't specifically make a clear separation of the internal SD card on the captivate and the 2 gb they setup for the android partition.

A far faster method would be to Odin back to stock, root, then take a nandroid backup right away, then flash back to what ever rom you want. Time consuming, yes, but faster and easier than trying to mod a backup.

Will flashing a new ROM wipe everything?

My main question is that I want to go to the ROM F1 Galaxy S II V6 - SP1 [Look & Feel Of Galaxy S II] or to another updated ROM.
I am coming from froyo 2.2 JK2 (with VooDoo). If I do this flash will I loose all my app data/other data? Is there a way to flash the ROM and save this data? I don't mind losing messages or bookmarks, I just don't want to have to install all of my apps again.
Thank you!

aznhybrid said:
My main question is that I want to go to the ROM F1 Galaxy S II V6 - SP1 [Look & Feel Of Galaxy S II] or to another updated ROM.
I am coming from froyo 2.2 JK2 (with VooDoo). If I do this flash will I loose all my app data/other data? Is there a way to flash the ROM and save this data? I don't mind losing messages or bookmarks, I just don't want to have to install all of my apps again.
Thank you!
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each rom is different, some are wipe version, some are non-wipe. There are a lot of good arguments for cleaning your phone and doing a clean install every time you change rom -- although most people don't, hence the length of threads with people having issues from legacy data and programs having incompatibility issues.
As a general rule prior to flashing any new rom or kernel you should:
1. do a complete nandroid backup in recovery
2. backup your apps using Titanium backup or similar
3. copy the Titanium backup, your photos, music, contacts etc. to your PC
4. then flash, clean and reformat as required without fear of being able to recover important data and files.
Again, some do this. Many don't. Depends how frequently you are flashing and how replaceable your files are.

+1 to that, I highly recommend you do a full wipe, Its not that difficult with apps such as titanium backup, It does all the hard work for you.
Doing a wipe ensures no bugs will be carried over and you will get the best result.
i wouldnt say a wipe is necessary when upgrading to a newer version of the same ROM

lgsshedden said:
each rom is different, some are wipe version, some are non-wipe. There are a lot of good arguments for cleaning your phone and doing a clean install every time you change rom -- although most people don't, hence the length of threads with people having issues from legacy data and programs having incompatibility issues.
As a general rule prior to flashing any new rom or kernel you should:
1. do a complete nandroid backup in recovery
2. backup your apps using Titanium backup or similar
3. copy the Titanium backup, your photos, music, contacts etc. to your PC
4. then flash, clean and reformat as required without fear of being able to recover important data and files.
Again, some do this. Many don't. Depends how frequently you are flashing and how replaceable your files are.
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ahh thanks! exactly what I was looking for

Will and nandroid backup and titanium backup save the contact data? As in the links to the facebook accounts?
If not what can i use is it possible?
Thanks

Talon26 said:
Will and nandroid backup and titanium backup save the contact data? As in the links to the facebook accounts?
If not what can i use is it possible?
Thanks
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You can sync your all your contacts with your Google account and then just install and re-sync Facebook after flashing need Rom..
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Nandroid backs everything up. It makes a disc image of the current rom. When you restore a nandroid backup, you restore the entire image.
You won't be able to restore the facebook links using titanium backup. Samsung updated the contact app when upgrading from Froyo to GB. I tried restoring data from Froyo apps to GB apps, and I got so many force close I ended up having reflash the rom. Note this only applies to stock apps. You can restore your market apps without any problem.