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[Q] YouTube- Only decent via wi-fi??

So took a closer look at YouTube functionality for the first time last night. I knew there wasn't a dedicated YouTube app (dammit Microsoft!) so I downloaded the plug-in and the Lazy YouTube app I think it is..
Well to my shock the video quality was about as good a gameboy color. So I looked for some HD videos. Same thing. Connected to my wi-fi at home and it looked significantly better. Not sure about HD but better.
Now is this really the current situation or did I miss some hidden options?? I would be embarassed to be out somewhere with friends and be like "Hey check out this funny video I saw the other day" and then load it up and it looks like it's converted to 8-bit video.

Yea this all we have at the moment. Video only looks good thru wifi. I'm right next to a tmobile tower at my work and can download content faster then wifi but youtube videos still come out low quality when using 3g data. Someone please come up with hack to let app play hd thru data connection!

Yeah seriously, the HD2 didn't seem to have this problem so why on the HD7?!?

[Q] 1080p mkv/ts/m2ts refusing to play

so here's my issue. it seems the video player itself has issues displaying 1920x1080 video. 1280x720 works fine, same video. same bitrate, same everything. this seems crocked.
do we know of any workaround for getting a 1080p to work. i've heard of people pulling it off, but i've spent three hours on this and i really believe it to be the player. i've tried third party clients and they're about 5fps. it's irksome.
help plz?

You know we have two different video players right? We have video player, and we also have movie player or something else like that. Try it.
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What do you expect to get from playing such large videos on the Cappy? I transcode mine to 720X480 in .mkv and they are simply stunning with zero playback issues. The Cappy supports the low end HD resolution of 1280X720, not the Blu-Ray rez of 1920X1080. And it supports that rez in shooting video so that it can be played back on a larger screen. There's no benefit to playing back videos that size on the device. Resize them, you won't notice any difference in picture quality and you'll save a ton of storage space.

I have 315 bluray movies half are 1080p other is 720p so half of my media is watchable on my cappy and my tab. I use Tversity to stream to my ps3 and everything but if there was away to make it only transcode 720p to mobile devices or have a player that will resize it for us that would be awesome.
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May be more of a codec problem than anything else.
While I never put anything bigger than 720p on my phone (since 1080p has no appreciable visual increase in quality on the phone screen, but a MUCH larger file size), I definitely have played 1080p on my phone before. Hence why I think it may simply be that 1080p MKV w/ certain codecs might not work. Remember that media files *legally* downloaded from the internet will often have slight variations in the parameters used when converting to MKV w/ x264/VC1/etc codec. Hence just because 2 files are "720p x264" in a Matroska container doesn't mean they are actually identically encoded. And the Galaxy S can sometimes be a bit picky about what formats it "automagically" supports and which it doesn't.
And by the way, as you clearly noticed, the "Video Player" app in Android is the only one to use the GPU to accelerate video playback. Other apps might work, but they will run the CPU way harder, and give you worse battery life. Monitoring the "time_in_state" to see what the CPU is running at, I can play 720p x264/MKV files with the CPU at only 400 MHz. Obviously, sometimes the default player won't play what you want, but it's much better to use it if at all possible.

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And by the way, as you clearly noticed, the "Video Player" app in Android is the only one to use the GPU to accelerate video playback. Other apps might work, but they will run the CPU way harder, and give you worse battery life. Monitoring the "time_in_state" to see what the CPU is running at, I can play 720p x264/MKV files with the CPU at only 400 MHz. Obviously, sometimes the default player won't play what you want, but it's much better to use it if at all possible.
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This is the main reason I stick with the built-in player. I was on a flight from Ft. Lauderdale to St. Louis to L.A. on Tuesday and I watched 3 movies of close to six hours total length. Landed in L.A. with 31% battery still remaining.

my reasons for wanting to play 1080p is irrelevant to the scenario, i'd just like to see it done.
i considered a codec issue shammy, but i extracted a 60second sample from my crank copy and left it in 1920x1080mkv and tried it. no dice. i handbraked it to 1920x1080mp4 no dice. i once again handbraked it to 1280x720mp4. worked fantastical without any change in any settings except res. hence why i think its a limitation on res rather than codec/bitrate.
i am just IRKED all around at this. time to hit the irc and start screaming at people until somebody gives me an answer huh lmfao

Square peg, round hole. Hope you find a big enough hammer.

cerjam said:
my reasons for wanting to play 1080p is irrelevant to the scenario, i'd just like to see it done.
i considered a codec issue shammy, but i extracted a 60second sample from my crank copy and left it in 1920x1080mkv and tried it. no dice. i handbraked it to 1920x1080mp4 no dice. i once again handbraked it to 1280x720mp4. worked fantastical without any change in any settings except res. hence why i think its a limitation on res rather than codec/bitrate.
i am just IRKED all around at this. time to hit the irc and start screaming at people until somebody gives me an answer huh lmfao
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Yea man I feel ya, why should you convert your movie to a realistic resolution for a 4" screen when you can ***** at other people to make it work. Doing anything yourself is for chumps.
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Its nice to be able to play 1080p why convert all your media when your ps3 and Xbox can play it at that size. Don't wish to lose quality on my other devices
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maxjivi05 said:
Its nice to be able to play 1080p why convert all your media when your ps3 and Xbox can play it at that size. Don't wish to lose quality on my other devices
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How do you lose quality by resizing for the device you'll be playing on? All those extra pixels of HD resolution on a 800X420 screen do not yield better quality, they just require more CPU/GPU to process and more storage space. Nothing is gained by playing HD-sized videos on the Cappy. Absolutely nothing.
I own a small HD video production company in L.A., but don't take my word for it.

I was talking about playing the same media file from my Ps3 on my tv. I'd rather not convert my 1080p files to 720 just for my hand held I'd rather have a better way to do all of it using the files I currently have. Tversity works good but not perfect for over 3G but when I had my iPhone it would play pretty good using airvideo over 3G but there has to be something to make it all work
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cerjam said:
my reasons for wanting to play 1080p is irrelevant to the scenario, i'd just like to see it done.
i considered a codec issue shammy, but i extracted a 60second sample from my crank copy and left it in 1920x1080mkv and tried it. no dice. i handbraked it to 1920x1080mp4 no dice. i once again handbraked it to 1280x720mp4. worked fantastical without any change in any settings except res. hence why i think its a limitation on res rather than codec/bitrate.
i am just IRKED all around at this. time to hit the irc and start screaming at people until somebody gives me an answer huh lmfao
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It would be nice to be able to do this I suppose..but if you don't mind...Why ?
If you play it on any other thing but your phone..you will not really benefit from having it this way..and also..you won't really have enough storage to hold it to be able to watch a full featured film.
Until Samsung gets off their asses and fixes the issue with making the usb-hdmi cable you will never get the output capable of seeing any difference than what you can easily do right now at 720p...If you want to ***** about something...that is what I would ***** about..They had those cables available for 1 month..and not many was ever shipped out to the stores when they introduced the phone...I've e-mailed them every week since October and the only reply is they are working on it...so...I'm not holding my breath on seeing it anytime soon since they are working on the next line of phones already..
Mac

i'll probably get xbanned by the-equinoxe for this post, but it'll be worth it.
Clienterror:
I was doing my best to not "*****" at you "other people". If I wanted to ***** i'd be obviously *****ing, not laughing about it. How about I send you my 12TB of video and you can convert it all into 480p, would that suffice for you? since you have such an issue with what I do with my device and provide absolutely no helpful solution, you do it! I sure hope you have couple dual 12core opterons sitting around, because it's gonna take you awhile. currently, encoding crank.mkv time remaining: 1h5m. now realistically i'd never convert my entire collection, just whatever video I want to watch at the time. but guess what? When i'm leaving or doing something I do not have an hour to wait. It's almost faster to download a 480p copy, you realize that right. converting while dealing with 1080p is not fast, nowhere near it. I find it unlikely you have any experience in the matter, i'm sure i've put more time and effort into this than your useless 30 second out of line response, so "chump" take the attitude and leave my thread please.
Miami_Son:
Time is gained. something new and fun is gained, every dev and intelligent person i've talked to(i'm a regular in the irc, im sure .. i've ran into a few) has tried it. Just because your personal opinion you see no reason or purpose to it, does not mean others see it that way. and not to be an ass here, but I find it surprising anybody who owns a company relating to high definition video would refer to resolution as rez.
Mac11700:
Why? Because I can. Everyone should want to do. You all see me trying to play 1080 on my phone as insane, and to me it's insane for you to NOT want to watch it on your device. I wont have enough space? i've got 32gb in my galaxys, i can fit three 1080ps. I am not stupid, and you all should not assume I am.
it's very irky that you all jump on a question without any real input on the scenario, except for the basic obvious simplest answer which really isnt helpful to the situation rather than putting in some thought and trying to solve the issue.
now: has ANYONE else made any progress with it. any input regarding 1080p on the galaxys could help solve this issue. please and thank you.

alright ive been doing some more fiddling and came up wiht the following results.
using container mkv, and AVC as codec.
i started with 1920x1080 crank 60s sample gone through handbrake reducing it to about 6mb.
1920x1080 through
1282x726 do not play. at all. unknown file.
1280x720 and below play without issue, and play damn well.
the file is exactly the same codec and container, just resized. so i believe it to be an issue with the player.
http://cerjturb.net/u/crank_test_1080p.mkv
does this play on ANYONES device inside video player.

cerjam said:
Miami_Son:
Time is gained. something new and fun is gained, every dev and intelligent person i've talked to(i'm a regular in the irc, im sure .. i've ran into a few) has tried it. Just because your personal opinion you see no reason or purpose to it, does not mean others see it that way. and not to be an ass here, but I find it surprising anybody who owns a company relating to high definition video would refer to resolution as rez.
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Ooh, my internet shorthand has revealed me as a fraud. You got me.
Your insistence on trying to play HD videos larger than what the device is designed for brought to mind a good analogy. You sound like a guy who bought a nice sports car and is appalled at finding out he can't run it in the Indy 500.

cerjam said:
1920x1080 through
1282x726 do not play. at all. unknown file.
1280x720 and below play without issue, and play damn well.
the file is exactly the same codec and container, just resized. so i believe it to be an issue with the player.
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Could it possibly be that your video is simply beyond what the player and/or the device is designed to handle? Square peg, round hole, I say. 1280x720 is indeed within the scope of the HD specification, so there is no fraud in saying the device can play HD content. It just can't play the high end of the HD spectrum. Live with it or get another device.

He's just trying to find away to not reconvert 3,000 hours of videos... if there was away for the computer to transcode to 720p to the device but leave it 1080p for the ps3 but not make 2 files for one video.... how hard is it to want that??? Tversity works for that but it don't detect the device as a mobile device that wants 720p it either does 1080 or goes way low and looks like crap... we want it to do both 720p for they device Ans 1080p for the ps3 at the same time.
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maxjivi05 said:
He's just trying to find away to not reconvert 3,000 hours of videos... if there was away for the computer to transcode to 720p to the device but leave it 1080p for the ps3 but not make 2 files for one video.... how hard is it to want that??? Tversity works for that but it don't detect the device as a mobile device that wants 720p it either does 1080 or goes way low and looks like crap... we want it to do both 720p for they device Ans 1080p for the ps3 at the same time.
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I understand that, but it's like complaining that his old tube TV won't display HD signals. Or that his DVD player won't play BD discs. It just wasn't designed to do it. For a device to transcode 1080p to 720p on the fly would require a lot more horsepower than what the Captivate has under the hood. Accept and move on.

First, I understand why you want this; it's a matter of convenience and I don't blame you.
cerjam said:
the file is exactly the same codec and container, just resized. so i believe it to be an issue with the player.
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It may be the same codec and container, but what is the bitrate? A lot more data may have to be pumped through the i/o system and larger frames are going to have to be resampled. I'm not saying it is impossible on the hardware, but it might be. I seriously doubt that it's just a matter of some bug, oversight, or intentional disabling of 1080p without good reason.

Performance

I'm looking at possibly getting an Android tablet for some pretty basic use. Mainly browsing websites over wifi (or tethered to my DX), reading books, comics, maybe watching some TV/movies, etc. My main concern though is watching the videos...most of the movie files are HD video, 720p or 1080p rips. What kind of video playback performance does a rooted NC have?
I've just started thinking more about getting a NC and rooting it with a custom ROM, instead of getting a Xoom or the new 10.1 Galaxy Tab (mainly because of the price), but if it won't be able to reliably play my videos, that's out. I can always shrink the resolution down with Handbrake if needed, that's not a problem, I just don't want the playback to be all jittery/stuttering.

video performance will depend on which rom you go with. I believe DSP codecs are enabled in nookie froyo, but can't comment on the performance as i haven't used it.
cm7 is starting to get dsp support but video such as from the youtube app is still shakey.
but i actually tested some regular TV rips (avi) in MoboPlayer and they seem to run fine.

The Froyo version works very well with youtube and movies stored on the sd card. They look good to me and i am happy with the NC on Froyo.
I just installed CM7 last night so i can't really comment on that yet but i did read that youtube is not working right and videos have issues. I will try this tonight hopefully.

Videos do play in the newest CM7 nightly, albeit mainly around 15 fps, but it is pretty constant in this early face.

You will without a doubt have to encode your HD videos again in order to watch them on the nook without stutter and audio sync issues. With the hardware limitations the nook has videos need to be encoded in h.264 baseline format at a resolution of 854x480 or less. There is a handbrake preset thread on the forum that works well.
When the subject of video playback comes up often on these forums what you'll get are people chiming in that this and that will work. When in doubt press them hard for what their tolerance level is regarding playback quality. For some of us "it works" can mean that video plays and audio is heard well enough to be watchable but artifacts and stutter and audio sync issues exist. Others demand full framerate with no stutter and zero audio sync issues. Personally I fall into the latter so I resolve myself to adhere to the use or my handbrake preset and am satisfied.
If cost is a factor then be aware of the old adage that you get what you pay for. The nook is no POS by any means but is also not a Xoom or iPad 2. Its a fantastic value and works well for the purposes you describe provided you're willing to accept the compromises like re-encoding videos for smooth playback or tethering via adhoc wifi due to lack of 3g etc.
Devs are making great strides in the development of cm7 and it won't be long before a fully functional version is out that's suitable for daily use. They're not quite there yet though so compromises have to be made and you can read about those in the cm7 dev and user threads.
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Thanks for the very informative replies, espcially muzzy996. I'll probably wait a bit and see what happens with CM7, or if the prices on the new Galaxy Tab 10.1 or Xoom drop down to a more acceptable amount before CM7 is good for daily use. Plus, now that I think about it some more, a 7" tablet isn't THAT much larger than my DX...I may just end up waiting on a decently priced 10" tablet regardless...

In my opinion:
No matter the kernel, build, processor, etc....Nook color (and Android in general) is going to struggle with sync (audio and video) issues of video encoded in a format that is not "native" to Android (The "infamous" iPod video format.) Anything else is decoded via software -- and will display less than desirable results. Like I said....I have noticed this on all 4 of the different Android devices I have owned...it is not specific to the Nook.

Well, I've had no problems with watching divx rips on my DX, but I haven't tried, that I remember, watching any HD video (mostly because the majority of my video files are several gig's, and I don't have that much room free on my memory card).

I am very picky about video playback and I find when videos are encoded for the Nook theg look and play wonderfully on rooted stock and Froyo.

sog1971 said:
In my opinion:
No matter the kernel, build, processor, etc....Nook color (and Android in general) is going to struggle with sync (audio and video) issues of video encoded in a format that is not "native" to Android (The "infamous" iPod video format.) Anything else is decoded via software -- and will display less than desirable results. Like I said....I have noticed this on all 4 of the different Android devices I have owned...it is not specific to the Nook.
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I've read that TI isn't exactly open about the DSP. If it were otherwise you would probably see much more flexible hardware decoding.

[Q] HDMI 1080p for Photos

I currently have CM7 installed, and the HDMI mirroring works great. But when I view photos, the resolution is not 1080p, it's the resolution of the screen. Is this possible to view photos at 1080p resolution over HDMI on CM7 or stock ROM?

This is the main problem of this STUPID hdmi out. It's only mirroring. that means the resolution of the screen is the ONLY resolution in OUTPUT.
then the 800x480 resolution is upscaled.
Viewwing photos or video we had the same problem: also video in full hd that this phone can play smoothly, BUT the hdmi out is ONLY 800x480...so...it's useless that this phone can decode full-hd video....

When watching video over HDMI is look better than 800x480?

When I record an HD video on my phone, the play it via HDMI out, it seems to be full HD. I was hoping there was a way to do that for photos... I guess not. Perhaps it can be a feature in CM7 or something.

just last sunday i was watching 1080P on friends TV. no problems!

Or you think you did.
Everything is downscaled to phones screen resolution (480x800) and then on HDMI out stretched to 1080p just so that our TV's don't have problems with it. That's why it is not pure 1080p, and that's why it doesn't really make sense to force HD videos on phones.
Use PC, media players or anything else HD capable instead.

Dac0908 said:
Or you think you did.
Everything is downscaled to phones screen resolution (480x800) and then on HDMI out stretched to 1080p just so that our TV's don't have problems with it. That's why it is not pure 1080p, and that's why it doesn't really make sense to force HD videos on phones.
Use PC, media players or anything else HD capable instead.
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No. True for photos displayed on the phone, yes, but not for video. When playing video (at least with the stock player) it no longer does mirroring, it outputs a true hd-image.

Dac0908 said:
Or you think you did.
Everything is downscaled to phones screen resolution (480x800) and then on HDMI out stretched to 1080p just so that our TV's don't have problems with it. That's why it is not pure 1080p, and that's why it doesn't really make sense to force HD videos on phones.
Use PC, media players or anything else HD capable instead.
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you know you can see on 55" led tv if you are wathing 1080p or something ells!

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No. True for photos displayed on the phone, yes, but not for video. When playing video (at least with the stock player) it no longer does mirroring, it outputs a true hd-image.
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Well that's an improvement then. Good news, for some people.
HDMI was for me one of biggest advantages O2x had few months ago, and now I find it almost useless. Yes, it's there and it totally works, I bought the cable and HDMI coupler so I can extend it with another one - but never really use it. Photos were always too blurry to care (when displayed on TV, camera is decent), videos are not so practical even though they work better than I expected, some using stock player and some using MX Video Player.
I have PC connected to TV, Picasa, media server, and PS3 which work far better. Oh well. Still, phone makes a damned good remote controller

It's not an improvement. It's been that way since the phone was released.
Still its a pain in the ass that it won't work with photos.

Dac0908 said:
Or you think you did.
Everything is downscaled to phones screen resolution (480x800) and then on HDMI out stretched to 1080p just so that our TV's don't have problems with it. That's why it is not pure 1080p, and that's why it doesn't really make sense to force HD videos on phones.
Use PC, media players or anything else HD capable instead.
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your information is wrong, it outputs in full hd.
If it were outputting at just 800by400 on your hd tv you would bloody notice because it would be pixelated and difficult to make anything out if it had been stretched that far to fit a large tv..... .

OMG seriously, really?
My post was already debunked by TrymHansen. Try to write something useful, ok? Quoting it again is just counterproductive
Anyway, part about HD video is debunked, I was wrong and life goes on. But I still stand behind blurry low-res photo gallery and that is the topic here.

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OMG seriously, really?
My post was already debunked by TrymHansen. Try to write something useful, ok? Quoting it again is just counterproductive
Anyway, part about HD video is debunked, I was wrong and life goes on. But I still stand behind blurry low-res photo gallery and that is the topic here.
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I'm totally with you at this. I can not help the fact that most of the people are blind and can not recognise the quality and resolution of a picture or video.
The hdmi output for the photos are totally unusable, it displays the photos in low resolution and low color depth.

480p in Youtube TV and Amazon Video

Anyone else experience issues with Standard Video on applications such as YouTube TV or Amazon Video? BOLD support is useless, sent ticket in on this 2 weeks ago and then called and the girl was clueless.
Too bad seems like s software issue otherwise the phone is great but its getting returned, no point with this amazing screen to watch 480p video...oddly enough regular YouTube does support 1080p.

Yes. YoutubeTv is 480p on mine as well. I wonder why. Normal YouTube does 1080p so I don't see why tv couldn't.