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Plea to move every damn thread moaning about drivers to a new sub-category

Sorry if this is "Not a done thing", but really... every second damn thread is petitions, lawsuits, etc and poor me, my phone doesn't open a can of beans as fast as that guys!
XDA, to the best of my knowledge, was filled with intelligent, PRODUCTIVE people, improving their devices, and people being appreciative of what they can do now... but enough is enough now.
If you don't like the device - buy a damn nokia.
Your kidding yourselves - there will be NO CLASS ACTION. Grow up.
Mods - Can these threads be moved into a sub catagory of their own, so that people like me can access information without having to scroll through this rubbish constantly.
At the main Kaiser catagory, there can be:
Kaiser
Kaiser upgrading etc.
Kaiser accessories
Kaiser Waaa Waaa'íng
Ok, pick another name for the category if you must - But please... it really is getting beyond a joke with it all now...
And please, before I get lynched for going against what is all so important to you... You have your threads. I am not going to sit here and retaliate about who is owed what - I don't care.
This post is just a plea to the Mods to consider creating a place for all of these threads as it is apparently a very in demand topic.
If they say no - then so be it - Close this thread, and move on.
If they say yes, then hot damn, I can get back to enjoying this site again...
Ok, I've vented, I feel better. Now it's late here, so I'm off to bed to return tomorrow to see 19000 people have hijacked the thread asking the Mods to ban me...
I hope there is still some intelligence out there...

Respect our opinions, and we'll respect yours.
For example, I'll categorize this thread under Kaiser Waa Waa'ing also, since it's complaining the same sense that we are about drivers.

I SECOND this thread as I too am tired of every other thread mentioning this. Why not make a Kaiser Driver subforum.

met3ora said:
Respect our opinions, and we'll respect yours.
For example, I'll categorize this thread under Kaiser Waa Waa'ing also, since it's complaining the same sense that we are about drivers.
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And thats fine - Then the purpose of my thread would have been achieved.
Not bad... That was literally 20 seconds from the thread being created to the first complaint...

Ok.. 2 minutes apparently - but still!!
Fb401... bless you!

Whilst I don't agree with the full content of greeek's post, he does have a point.
When I first came to XDA-devs, the main Kaiser forum was full of useful tips, new software and user recommendations. Recently though, the pages are all full of threads about the drivers issue.
Whilst I follow these avidly in the hopes of a solution, they to tend to get in the way of using the forum. This isn't helped by the endless duplication when everyone with a question about the issue starts up a new damn thread, rather than adding to an existing one.
It might actually be a good idea to sub-categorise this, if only so there is a dedicated area where these issues can discussed. You could argue we should separate sub-fora for all discrete issues, but I think the driver issue is a special case due to amount of forum space and time it attracts - not to mention the way it polarises attitudes.
Proponents of the class action might argue it deflects attention and makes it harder for newbies to become aware of the issue or to contribute. However, chances are that if they are here on the site, they might already know - and if not, which update-seeking, mod-hungry XDA owner is going to ignore a forum called Kaiser Drivers (for example)? Not many!
So whilst I support the class action, and any other approach to improving our Kaisers, I also support maintaining the forum as a place where developers are still keen to come and contribute (so we can happily hoover up their efforts!)
Sorry for the long post - seems like reasoned and measured discussion has been replaced by instant flaming and jeering recently and I thought it was worth trying to reintroduce it.
Or, we could just watch the developers leave the site in despair and disgust, and rebrand the site to XDA-Grievances?

Me too
Surely the mods would agree that there is enough interest and enough disinterest in the drivers issue to warrant separating the issues. This would cut down on screen space wasted on personal attacks.

A sub-cat is a good idea.

Here's my vote for a sub-category.

I suggest we also make a subcategory called "Kaiser Waa Waa'ing about Waa Waa'ing", just to cover those who complain about people complaining.
At this moment in time Kaiser driver issue is the biggest and most worrysome issue for the most Kaiser owners on this forum. Don't believe me - look at signature/money fund threads.
So, no wonder forum is filled with people talking about it. That's what the forum is for - people talking about their PPCs. Obviously, when this all gets solved/not solved, there will be something else. There's always some topic that is popular and that will fill up the forum. So what? Don't see a problem. There's PLENTY of other threads not even touching the drivers, it's not like nothing else siezed to exist..
So stop Waa Waa'ing.

What he said. Not going to bother quoting the entire post, but seriously...I came to XDA on the Uni section and helped where I could, and took it by the bucketful. Nowadays, I get bored by page 2 of 4 of the days new posts (set to 100 per page) and just give up looking for posts I might be able to help on because I'm sick of the driver and I'm off type posts.
Seriously, chuck the posts in a sub forum of some sort, and maybe leave one sticky "My Kaiser from rip-off HTC is slow" type thread pointing people to the sub-forum. I'm sure if the driver issues are ever resolved you could post it in the "Wallaby accessories" forum and it would still be all over the world in seconds!
Sorry for agreeing with the moaner about the moaners, moaning!

OK, I'm now opening the betting pool on Godwin's. I'll take Page 5...
FWIW I don't think a Sub-cat is needed, but I wouldn't object if one was created.
James

Yeah, it gets annoying filtering through all those threads about a problem that will likely never get solved due to the Broadcom injunction against Qualcomm. (Which last I read, forbids Qualcomm from even giving support for covered chipsets to their customers - this includes the MSM7200. This may not be the case any more - they are still making Tilts after all...)
HTC is probably contractually bound not to blame Qualcomm in any public response for not providing chipset documentation, and Qualcomm is now legally bound not to provide that documentation (as it would be "support" as defined in the Broadcom patent injunction).

It's an important issue, and I'm more than willing to fight a battle I'll never win, as long as it makes an impact somehow, and I believe it has. We've gotten coverage on Engadget and other mainstream tech news sites. At very least it SHOULD let HTC know that some of their customers are smart and will fight to get what they've paid for. It's important for users to log into the Kaiser forum and see all of the complaints, as it really gets people looking into their own devices to see if they are experiences these same slow downs as other people are reporting, and if they are, they too can join the fight. I'm not sure how painful it might be for you to just skip over a thread about drivers that will make you hit the next page button a thread earlier, but it's not as ridiculous as you're making it out to be. In fact, right now on Page 1 of the Kaiser forum, I see 5 out of 20 threads about the drivers, one being your own complaint about the complaining. I also included the thread entitled, "Is your Kaiser grusomely slow" which I haven't read, but I assume isn't only about drivers.
The point is, you complaining adds yet another thread, and since you're so concerned with forum real estate, that's only hurting that. The percentage of threads about the drivers just shows anybody who looks, just how serious we are about this issue. Please respect our right to complain about the drivers by merely skipping over the threads and don't read them.

So we want 2 new sub categories? "6.1" and a "Waa WAAA"?

I have to say i almost avoid the whole kaiser thread cause the quantity of threads slagging the phone.
Whilst I agree that the driver issue is not good, i dont want to read 40 threads about it.
I vote for a seperate section too.
MM

since we're creating new subcategories..........how about one for ppl with 1 post who go........"HELP I INSTALLED WM 6.1 AND MY PHONE DOESNT WORK!!!!" i dunno wat the subcategory should it be called.........maybe "i'm a tool and i didnt do enough research and i b0rked my phone"
and then another subcategory for ppl happy with their phones and call it Kaiser WEE WEEE. and one more for ppl who want to complain cause there's too many subcategories

Geez, come on people... "Waa waaaa I ignore this thread cuz there are people here complaining".
If you don't like to read these threads... I got a simple solution for you.
DON'T READ THEM.
There's plenty of threads that discuss many, MANY other topics that have nothing to do with drivers whatsoever.
And christ, stop complaining you poor things.

I have to agree with the OP, however, I wouldn't have stated it in quite those words. I agree that the driver issue is an important issue, and should be talked about and discussed, but I also agree that the number of posts about it is completely poluting this category.
I have recenting come to the realization that if I wanted to read topics from happy owners to browse the Upgrading section, and if I wanted to read about people irritated and p!ssy about their device then read this one.
Yes there are a lot of "idiot" threads and a lot of WM6.1 threads, but it doesn't even begin to compare. This category isn't even worth browsing anymore.
Just my 2 cents.

So, just re-reading this thread and I noticed something. Correct me if I'm wrong but now we have:
people complaining, about people complaining, about people complaining about the driver issue!
Sheer farcical brilliance! It's like watching a Marx brothers' sketch. Or a session of Parliament. Either way, this thread has become a bit of light-hearted relief in a sometimes v serious forum. Keep 'em coming!

why do people here love to argue and follow you around to start sh*t

I remember when I 1st came here , i started looking for games and apps. I found a whole bunch of freeware I liked. On my own time I started learning how to program games on my own. I work normal job and didnt have alot of time to learn how to code. When I made games for myself , I decided to upload them here to share. Most of the games I made where short 1-3 levels, thats all the time I had. Of course you have people who dont like the game and say its sucks. After a while you get tired of it , and respond like ok it sucks so why dont you make a better one.
Then its like people start following you around and fXXXX with you. Then I go to another website and they follow me there to start more shXt. Honestly its like alot of people are sick in the head. If you dont like the games I make,why follow me around and download more of my games and so ohh it sucks. Its like if you dont like what I do, why keep searching my name.
What I hate the most is if I respond , then more people jump in and say Iam wrong. Now I'll admit when I go off , i go off the deep end. Iam wondering is it just windows mobile users or is it like that everywhere.
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zarpy said:
I remember when I 1st came here , i started looking for games and apps. I found a whole bunch of freeware I liked. On my own time I started learning how to program games on my own. I work normal job and didnt have alot of time to learn how to code. When I made games for myself , I decided to upload them here to share. Most of the games I made where short 1-3 levels, thats all the time I had. Of course you have people who dont like the game and say its sucks. After a while you get tired of it , and respond like ok it sucks so why dont you make a better one.
Then its like people start following you around and fXXXX with you. Then I go to another website and they follow me there to start more shXt. Honestly its like alot of people are sick in the head. If you dont like the games I make,why follow me around and download more of my games and so ohh it sucks. Its like if you dont like what I do, why keep searching my name.
What I hate the most is if I respond , then more people jump in and say Iam wrong. Now I'll admit when I go off , i go off the deep end. Iam wondering is it just windows mobile users or is it like that everywhere.
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Hello, Zarpy.
I'm brand new as a member here, although I've derived a lot of information at this site.
I belong to many forums, as you do to, I gather. Some are well moderated, often with aggressive staffers who are dedicated to keeping the types of behaviors you mention out of the threads. Those are the forums I prefer.. they are not perfect; we'll still see a bit of it before it's caught by a mod, and we'll also see language such as you're using, which I find crass and immature.
If complaints to the administrators of a forum cluster such as this one do no good at all, I'd rethink my participation there, especially if being stalked and harassed by users as you say you are.

because people are XXX.. dont worry about them just keep doin what you're doin
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mike72686 said:
because people are XXX.. dont worry about them just keep doin what you're doin
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Yeah, that too.

mike72686 said:
because people are a*****s.. dont worry about them just keep doin what you're doin
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zarpy said:
I remember when I 1st came here , i started looking for games and apps. I found a whole bunch of freeware I liked. On my own time I started learning how to program games on my own. I work normal job and didnt have alot of time to learn how to code. When I made games for myself , I decided to upload them here to share. Most of the games I made where short 1-3 levels, thats all the time I had. Of course you have people who dont like the game and say its sucks. After a while you get tired of it , and respond like ok it sucks so why dont you make a better one.
Then its like people start following you around and f***ng with you. Then I go to another website and they follow me there to start more s**t. Honestly its like alot of people are sick in the head. If you dont like the games I make,why follow me around and download more of my games and so ohh it sucks. Its like if you dont like what I do, why keep searching my name.
What I hate the most is if I respond , then more people jump in and say Iam wrong. Now I'll admit when I go off , i go off the deep end. Iam wondering is it just windows mobile users or is it like that everywhere.
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Good day Zarpy...please be carefull with your lenguage...this is a family oriented site

Closing thread as will only lead to flame.
If you have a user causing flak following you around being rude, performing actions against XDA Rules do not respond, click the triangle and one of the mod team will deal with it.

[Q] Suggestions for improving Forum Etiquette

This is my reply to the mess of a thread located at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=781513
I hope my suggestions are taken in the very helpful spirit that they were typed.
Thanks folks.
I'm gonna be all trolly here and what not. Is there not a way to simply FORCE people to read? As in, you can't post for 3 weeks after you join? It wouldn't stop people from being stupid, but it would help train them to Search & Read in the 3 weeks that they desperately wait for a Rom to drop.
This thread has the train wreck effect... I couldn't not read the whole damn thing. (I am actually very interested in getting the originally mentioned feature, btw.) And yes my post is Off-Topic, yet ridiculously relevant. I have quietly been a member of this forum for years and haven't seen this kind of wasted space ever. Maybe I should stop recommending people "Go check out xda developers online..." I am partially responsible for getting these people here. But, I believe a strong, open community is the best way to get results. Perhaps, all new members trying to post new threads outside of the General/Q&A forums get redirected to the Advanced Search page unless verified by a mod as a legitimate dev contributor? I am sure that would require coding a module for the forums... And since I don't know how to do any of that I will end my trolliness now. Oh wait, maybe a simpler solution - A "Wrong forum button" where if enough people vote the post gets moved. Seems simple enough and the mods can get the help they need without have the more - zealous - members of our community take matters into their own hands.
Thanks for your time and attention to my suggestions. I will now look for an appropriate place to post this in the main forum.
-Memo

See that's why I voted "against" xda samsung section, you'll see it will be even worse when we get an lg and istick sections
This place is becoming just like other places only flaming and "your problems are stupid because this is alright for me". Luckily there are still a lot of decent people around here which make me stay.

poll looks pretty inconclusive to me

Very umm, intellectual thread read that was.
But you know when inviting a couple of close friends over turns into a full blown Hizouse Partaaay a couple of fights are gonna break out...
Actions as such in that thread aren't very rampant but can make for an interesting read. But comparing contributions, join date and or post count in any situation is pretty moronic.
Has there ever been a thread where it ended happy and all party's posted:
Like, man I'm sorry man I was drunk.
Oh no man it's cool, man my wife was gettin on me about the garbage and kids were nagging.
So are we cool?
Yeah man. Can I invite you as a friend?
Oh totally!
That would be awesome to see...
good day.

I have seen many happy ending threads actually.
And honestly, I didn't really understand your ideas on what is being discussed. I think that if the actions were rampant then this site would be dying as many have before. XDA has a very long legacy, and it should be protected BEFORE it becomes a problem. Just how telling a 15 y/o that suddenly his backtalk is not acceptable would have no effect, telling the new influx of users being drawn by the boom in mobility that they have to behave in the forums when everything they see is "IS.HE.THE.DADDY.DNA.TEST-Developers.com" would be ineffective. Needs to be taken care of early. Prevent the problem. Don't waste tons of resources trying to fix it.
And just to be clear were you at all trying to be offensive, snarky, or sarcastic? Just curious.
- Memo

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It's a wealth of information! Perhaps we need to stick people into the Brain Training room from Lost. ...I'll go look for my lab coat.

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And honestly, I didn't really understand your ideas on what is being discussed.
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Actually just noticed the [Q] on the thread title, your post didn't really reference adding on to your suggestions. So my bad for not seeing the [Q]. Wrong forum button does have some potential. But the experienced xda user should know who his forum mod is and send a pm outlining any gripe with link to thread before turning it into a public chest puffing competition where in the end all who participated look like morons.
Is it feasible to have an ethics moderating committee that would monitor the content and actions of the first 15 posts of a new member? But it all still comes down to an individual showing that they have the utmost respect for xda and its users. Members involved in your example are not spring chickens and should be a little ashamed. Because a new user might think that is the norm for the forum.
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And just to be clear were you at all trying to be offensive, snarky, or sarcastic?
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No. The house party statement does hold a lot truth though. Even 3 years ago the "smart phone" was seen as a business tool. Even you brought up the influx of new users as result of the mobile boom. I'm 36 now and didn't even get a cell phone till I was 23. Now I see children with devices that I would die to have or be able to afford. The age demographic of this site has changed so dramatically over the last couple of years. And as elder members we can only protect the image of xda by policing our own actions and utilizing the forum mods for what they are intended for.
Since it is off topic I still feel like I need to have a little fun.
Boobs....... o.k. I'm done.
good day.

a good start would be requiring everyone to add a nice greeting to the end of their posts according to the time of the day

ive talked to the mods about this in the past and they liked the idea, but havent added it yet:
requiring a signature to be set up upon first signing up to xda including current phone/s, rom, recovery, hboot, kernel...
having set up so that registering could not continue without filling out these fields (of course there would have to be a "how-to" option to help those that dont know what those are or how to find out what they have)
this would stop the
"can someone help me please! my phone wont boot"
"what phone do you have?"
"G1"
"what rom are you running?"
"stock 1.6"
"what hboot?"
exchanges which take up half the posts in a lot of threads

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requiring a signature to be set up upon first signing up
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This would also help create that pause for reflection and research that I think would really help the new members get oriented. Right from the start they learn they have to provide as much info as possible, if they are ever to get a response.
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Actually just noticed the [Q] ...
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Actually, I should have restructured the post. I just straight copy/pasted from a related thread where the info would have been read in context.
chopper the dog said:
Is it feasible to have an ethics moderating committee that would monitor the content and actions of the first 15 posts of a new member?... Members involved in your example are not spring chickens and should be a little ashamed. ...
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I don't know that it would be feasible. I was even thinking of perhaps a Volunteer Buddy Moderation, where you have to submit your first 5 posts for approval from a mentor. The mentor would be in charge of making sure the protocol was followed - Search And Read, Label subject line correctly, and provide full info... I just don't know that anyone is willing to work on the actual Forum Coding... And adding more work to the mods wouldn't be a good idea. If they had the time to constantly be vigil, they would kill the problem posts as soon as they are noticed.
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The age demographic of this site has changed so dramatically over the last couple of years. And as elder members we can only protect the image of xda by policing our own actions and utilizing the forum mods for what they are intended for.
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I guess it can be expected from the youngins, but how do you get the grumpy, reactionary elders to nod feed the flames?
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Since it is off topic I still feel like I need to have a little fun.
Boobs....... o.k. I'm done.
good day.
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Butts.
Good day to you too, sir.

Happy Ending. Don't see many of these. HERE
good day.

chopper the dog said:
Happy Ending. Don't see many of these. HERE
good day.
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That did work out rather nice... But they weren't being completely nasty to each other.
Not like these guys...
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/7993-ffc-for-the-vibrant/
Some people have every intent of being offensive. Don't really get the point but hey.

Kids will be kids
What i see is a lot of kids (15-30) in this forum tend to think since they know...... you should too. Forums should encourage newbies to get involved and once they are communicating then, reroute them to the right forum etc. this kind of considerate rational act would improve and make this forum WAY better, but then, I digress.
Requiring the signature probably would be helpful, but I think the moderator being vigilant and remind the sarcastic, inconsiderate they once were Newbies may be just as effective. People need to remember that not all here are devs, programmers or really techies. A lot are here for the education..... but then....my wife always said i was too much an idealist

WOW hit a new level HERE.
good day.

[Q] Petition to Samsung about Bada-os

Hello Friends!
I'm admin of polish fan site about Samsung Wave, which is in some way banned here in xda, because I could not find any topic about it
Anyway, we are aware of Samsung that starting to behave like other big company's in terms of 'user feedback'. A lot of customers that bought Wave are complaying about several, not repaired until today issues/bugs, these are :
1. RAM issues - It has got 512MB, but it goes like it would have 128-256MB.
user who tooks his device from the box sometimes can't even open a website without 'error, no memory, close some apps to free more' - but user than sees, that there is nothing else than webbrowser opened!
2. Lack of office-files editing options avalible in the phone. This is what I use a lot. On my forum there are two main voices - one half says "if you want it, pay for it", second half thinks like me - device for this cash, should have it built-in.
3. Treating users, and their opinions by Samsung - We stated our demands 3-4 moths ago. Samsung never reveals changelogs in his fw - moreover, when we claerly said 'answer our questions with something more than <<we will talk this internaly>> <<we will think about that>> etc... What they did ? Yes, they answered us just same way as always, God!....
There should be some great apps in SamsungApps, where are they ? Why can't we get more than 1 app running at the time ? Imagine using SPB Mobile Shell, and nothing more, because this is how phone behave. It just restarts the secondly and more apps to their "first splash screen". So Yes, you can run multiply instances of programs, but in REAL time (and thats what multitasking means) you can run just ONE APP....
Other words : Samsung Wave with his issues is still being used by thousends of people. Me and my friends we got many so-going issues with out Waves and I personally cannot belive, that this is not a problem of every single user.
That stated I must say, that I liked Wave v.much, by I was pushed by Samsung to sell it. RAM/Multitasking is worse than in old NokiaN95-2.
So if you agree with us, or got 30 seconds to spent, please help us all and sign/like this.
This is petition link :
petitionspot.com/petitions/ImproveSamsungBADA
Your sincerly
Bart

Samsung, in my opinion anyways, are well known for pushing some bad firmware to devices, and having no transparency about issues and what is going on to resolve them. IN the 4/5months that I had an Omnia HD I8910HD I had many issues, all were meant to be fixed by a magical firmware upgrade that was meant to be released about 4 days after I got the phone. They never released it, it got pushed back and back, and I still do not know if they have released it. Its a shame, as I know their TV support is well equipped.
Basically, I feel this will fall onto death ears, and samsung will just continue repeating themselves.

worst/lamest/corniest name ever for a software meant to be bought by millions

It's not badass

Not to offend you [OP]. But as an admin do you allow the same exact thread to be posted twice? For shame.
good day.

chopper the dog said:
Not to offend you [OP]. But as an admin do you allow the same exact thread to be posted twice? For shame.
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Haha
And LoL @JimJam

Something I noticed on an iOS site...

Just an observation, not bagging on anyone, but literally 90%+ of the posts in their General section and General Jailbreaking sections were "This doesn't work," "Help Me with this," "This is broken," "What am I doing wrong?" etc. There were maybe two to three threads per page out of around 30 that were devs or users posting some tidbit or program or work-around.
Again, this is not only in the mods section, but also in plain old general iOS discussion. Kind of funny that the thing that "just works" doesn't really seem to. I know a big part of the limited reporting of iOS issues is that sites like CNET and such pander so heavily to anything Apple that it would never cross their mind to speak up about unsavory experiences, but seemed pretty interesting how many issues people really run into with iOS.
I also noted that it has to suck having so much difficulty doing things like creating full backup images of the phone or even just backing up all the data for easy restoration. When someone asked about where text messages are stored by the system what seemed to be experienced users were telling him to check Google for where individual assets were located and that it can be pretty difficult to track them down in iOS.
Just one man's musings.

Happens here all the time, we just have better mods.
Sent from my coffee pot.

I actually thought that iTunes (ugh) made a complete back up of the system on an iThing (at least it was an option)
Also, AFAIK Their big time devs focus mainly on jailbreak/unlock scenarios and then there are the Cydia devs....
I could be completely wrong about all of this as I would rather be hung upside down and stung by a thousand wasps before owning one of those.....devices.
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using xda premium

MissionImprobable said:
I also noted that it has to suck having so much difficulty doing things like creating full backup images of the phone or even just backing up all the data for easy restoration. When someone asked about where text messages are stored by the system what seemed to be experienced users were telling him to check Google for where individual assets were located and that it can be pretty difficult to track them down in iOS.
Just one man's musings.
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No need to have backup images since iTunes backs up everything like contacts, SMS, apps + data and so on. If an iPhone fails it's easy to just hit "Restore" in iTunes and it'll reinstall the OS and then restore the backup so it's exactly like it was before you restored.
The shocking thing though is that very few people actually know about the restore button in iTunes. I've gotten a lot of questions from friends with iPhone's about these things.
- "OMG! My iPhone is doing this and that, i have to send it to Apple for repairs".
No you don't, and i then proceed with opening iTunes, connect the phone and hit restore. "Wow! What did you do?!". Kill me now.
I've also gotten soft bricked iPhone's in. Not as easy as just pressing a button in iTunes, but it only takes 10 minutes and it's up and running again.
Conclusion: iPhone people just aren't that technical. The same applies to most Android users, but with Android we do actually have some controll over things. If something seems wrong we can easily make a dump (stop laughing) and actually understand what's causing this/these problem(s).

LordManhattan said:
No need to have backup images since iTunes backs up everything like contacts, SMS, apps + data and so on. If an iPhone fails it's easy to just hit "Restore" in iTunes and it'll reinstall the OS and then restore the backup so it's exactly like it was before you restored.
The shocking thing though is that very few people actually know about the restore button in iTunes. I've gotten a lot of questions from friends with iPhone's about these things.
- "OMG! My iPhone is doing this and that, i have to send it to Apple for repairs".
No you don't, and i then proceed with opening iTunes, connect the phone and hit restore. "Wow! What did you do?!". Kill me now.
I've also gotten soft bricked iPhone's in. Not as easy as just pressing a button in iTunes, but it only takes 10 minutes and it's up and running again.
Conclusion: iPhone people just aren't that technical. The same applies to most Android users, but with Android we do actually have some controll over things. If something seems wrong we can easily make a dump (stop laughing) and actually understand what's causing this/these problem(s).
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So, what your saying is that I was only partially wrong?
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I'm not sure what you are, but you're not wrong

I think the deal with the backups was that certain issues came up if you only wanted to restore information to the phone vs resetting everything back like you would with a full Nandroid. It just seemed like every user found a new way to make things difficult despite half a page of stickies giving out about every seemingly-likely scenario. Half of the threads were people having major, major issues post-jailbreaking.
I was also a bit perturbed when I read their "Apple vs Android" thread. I understand that there are closed-minded people in the world but I swear most of them were on that forum and the arguments were just idiocy. One guy liked iOS better because all his apps are on his home screen, even if he has to go through screen after screen to find what he's looking for because they are in no particular order. He dumped on Android for having an alphabetized app drawer, saying it just didn't make sense to him.
My fault for even going on there, but it made me not want to live on this planet anymore =p

People who use iOS are stupider than those who use android.... FACT!

MissionImprobable said:
I think the deal with the backups was that certain issues came up if you only wanted to restore information to the phone vs resetting everything back like you would with a full Nandroid. It just seemed like every user found a new way to make things difficult despite half a page of stickies giving out about every seemingly-likely scenario. Half of the threads were people having major, major issues post-jailbreaking.
I was also a bit perturbed when I read their "Apple vs Android" thread. I understand that there are closed-minded people in the world but I swear most of them were on that forum and the arguments were just idiocy. One guy liked iOS better because all his apps are on his home screen, even if he has to go through screen after screen to find what he's looking for because they are in no particular order. He dumped on Android for having an alphabetized app drawer, saying it just didn't make sense to him.
My fault for even going on there, but it made me not want to live on this planet anymore =p
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AshtonTS said:
People who use iOS are stupider than those who use android.... FACT!
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So it's exactly like every other forum, including XDA

AshtonTS said:
People who use iOS are stupider than those who use android.... FACT!
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And on that note, I think we've all had enough of the iThread. Please continue iOS related discussions on the xda iPhone specific site.
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