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Will the nook get some honey?

Here is a thread that will be all about speculation..
I saw the honeycomb and it was smoking!!! What are the chances that the guys here will get it on the nook? And if yes, how it will run? Given that it only have a 800Mhz processor (1Ghz overclocked).
Looking forward for any opinions

I hope so, but that's a good bit away. Honeycomb uses on screen buttons, so our hardware button deficiencies would go away, if it were possible.

IIRC, Honey requires a 1Ghz processor. If we can get the overclocked kernels working with the five 9's of accuracy, then its possible. I really would like for there to be a way to strip out the nooks reader and shop apps for B&N so that I can keep the books and magazines that I've purchased. Thats pretty much a prerequisite for me.

10equals2 said:
IIRC, Honey requires a 1Ghz processor. If we can get the overclocked kernels working with the five 9's of accuracy, then its possible. I really would like for there to be a way to strip out the nooks reader and shop apps for B&N so that I can keep the books and magazines that I've purchased. Thats pretty much a prerequisite for me.
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There are no mandatory hardware requirements for honeycomb, but it will certainly run a lot smoother at 1ghz+
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paleh0rse said:
There are no mandatory hardware requirements for honeycomb, but it will certainly run a lot smoother at 1ghz+
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That's true and the more and more limitations are taken away as launch approaches..
I have no doubt it will run well, but also wonder if anyone will create a Nook version..

spikey911 said:
That's true and the more and more limitations are taken away as launch approaches..
I have no doubt it will run well, but also wonder if anyone will create a Nook version..
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why not......

elcape said:
why not......
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Well, this is just my opinion of course...
It will still be some time before we even see a 2.3
3.0 will not be out for a while and by the time that happens newer, faster, better, tablets will hit the market and catch everyone eye..
People may flock towards the newer tablets and leave the older ones behind..
I don't want to say it will never happen, but it is possible we won't see a 3.0 if the developers flock to newer tabs..
One thing is for sure, you will not see an official version from B&N.. I have my doubts there will even be an official 2.2 from them.

Is it bringing something amazing to the table? Haven't even bothered looking at honey just because the GUI stuff everyone likes looks ugly as hell.
Nook color was my first android device so I prefer the simple notification bar at the bottom, as well as using a taskmanager to kill/switch apps.
sent from a Nook Color using xda-app

spikey911 said:
Well, this is just my opinion of course...
It will still be some time before we even see a 2.3
3.0 will not be out for a while and by the time that happens newer, faster, better, tablets will hit the market and catch everyone eye..
People may flock towards the newer tablets and leave the older ones behind..
I don't want to say it will never happen, but it is possible we won't see a 3.0 if the developers flock to newer tabs..
One thing is for sure, you will not see an official version from B&N.. I have my doubts there will even be an official 2.2 from them.
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I hope you realize that the fine folks at Cyanogen are already working on a NC version of CyanogenMOD version 7 -- which is a Gingerbread (2.3) rom. Some of their best devs are on it, and they've even gotten it to boot already!
So, don't be surprised when you see 2.3 sooner, rather than later...
Sent from my Nooted friend.

Nook color: worst of all worlds?

Came across a funny older article on a fruit based website about the nook color when it first came out. After reading it i couldnt help but chuckle.
This was the best part of it,
But unlike forthcoming Android tablets like the Samsung Galaxy Tab, this device is going to be locked down and will only be able to run a limited number of B&N-approved apps such as Pandora and Lonely Planet.
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lol
Its a good read for a laugh.
I know that my nook color countinues to amaze me with more and more functionality everyday.
Its amazing what xda devs can accomplish. Take something and make it do something it was never meant to do and do it better than its competition.

That article is an unfortunate example of what a lot of tech journalists are doing these days. Hastily research a new product, then clip together a bunch of other coverage and bang out an article. By demonstrating his technical incompetence, sure he's got egg on his face now after the fact, however he also represents a large (the majority) percentage of B&N's customer base. The average purchaser would says "rooting what now?".
Amazingly, the NC has proven wildly popular and B&N's top selling item EVER, so obviously even with the limitations the author describes it's trouncing the competition. For those of use who know about ADB and scripts/img files, hey it's even better. Bought one for myself, then for my Dad (50's, tech savvy still). I rooted it, installed xeam and some apps then wrapped it back up and bang, best Christmas present ever!)

I've had a book 3g and then the NC which i rooted. Bottom line it rocks!!!!
Sent from my NOOTED NC using XDA App

I cannot wait for a fully functional froyo rom for the internal memory that will make this a true tablet
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sp1kez said:
I cannot wait for a fully functional froyo rom for the internal memory that will make this a true tablet
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Forgot Froyo. Gingerbread CM7. It's going to be B-E-A-UTIFUL

nicbennett said:
Forgot Froyo. Gingerbread CM7. It's going to be B-E-A-UTIFUL
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Name 5 things that Gingerbread does better than Froyo....
Anywho, I too look forward to a tablet-friendly custom ROM.. I still really like the status bar on the bottom of the screen, but the stupid B&N shortcut thing gets on my nerves when I'm typing.

khaytsus said:
Name 5 things that Gingerbread does better than Froyo....
Anywho, I too look forward to a tablet-friendly custom ROM.. I still really like the status bar on the bottom of the screen, but the stupid B&N shortcut thing gets on my nerves when I'm typing.
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You mean aside from the better Dalvik VM, better battery management, improved UI, improved hardware capabilities (improved camera handling, gyroscope, NFC), improved game API, improved audio API, new media (audio/video) support, and a new linux base kernel? I guess if you don't count those, you still have the new/updated core libraries, updated bluetooth stack, improved text selection, built-in VOIP, and of course, the better keyboard...
Seriously, i mean, really seriously, why would ANYONE have anything against getting the NEWEST OS? All our efforts should be on gingerbread, since it offers the most compared to Froyo. Its not like moving to GB has any shortcomings, so why NOT want it?

I just got my nook color last night - I've found BBuy that had it in stock about 50 miles and drove there - sure enough about 20 were on the shelve - forgot to mention I traveled actually from one state to another (about 50 miles) to get it right of the shelve ... so anyhow, I am happy with "locked" nook color has to offer - I am even more thrilled about rooting it soon and unlocking the full potential. NC here I come

Yeah, a lot of the reviews bemoaned its alleged "doesn't know what it is" status. I've rooted mine, OC'd it, isntalled dozens of apps and games. Yet I still use it primarily to read novels, and do some light web browsing. And for that, it's dead perfect.
In other words, even an unrooted NC is an outstanding gizmo. I mean that screen is just to die for.

I definitely love my Nook. People are always surprised when I tell them it was only $250. Froyo on teh emmc via dd ftw! It's much better than the stock OS.

rjsmith2007 said:
I definitely love my Nook. People are always surprised when I tell them it was only $250. Froyo on teh emmc via dd ftw! It's much better than the stock OS.
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IN regards to emmc Froyo - what about the lag? I guess it may just be my SD card, but every Froyo build i have tried, has been painfully laggy - not slow, but things like gmail can take 1-2 minutes to actually show the mail. The app drawer animations are also oddly slow. Does emmc really make Froyo more usable for you?

Divine_Madcat said:
IN regards to emmc Froyo - what about the lag? I guess it may just be my SD card, but every Froyo build i have tried, has been painfully laggy - not slow, but things like gmail can take 1-2 minutes to actually show the mail. The app drawer animations are also oddly slow. Does emmc really make Froyo more usable for you?
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Oh GOD yes. There is no lag on eMMC. Typing this comment to you on my Froyo'd NC right now

Divine_Madcat said:
You mean aside from the better Dalvik VM, better battery management, improved UI, improved hardware capabilities (improved camera handling, gyroscope, NFC), improved game API, improved audio API, new media (audio/video) support, and a new linux base kernel? I guess if you don't count those, you still have the new/updated core libraries, updated bluetooth stack, improved text selection, built-in VOIP, and of course, the better keyboard...
Seriously, i mean, really seriously, why would ANYONE have anything against getting the NEWEST OS? All our efforts should be on gingerbread, since it offers the most compared to Froyo. Its not like moving to GB has any shortcomings, so why NOT want it?
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No, I agree that Gingerbread has small incremental improvements, but nothing that'd cause me to say screw Froyo, wait for Gingerbread. Especially if Gingerbread on the NC is well off.

khaytsus said:
No, I agree that Gingerbread has small incremental improvements, but nothing that'd cause me to say screw Froyo, wait for Gingerbread. Especially if Gingerbread on the NC is well off.
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I guess what i am thinking - given that Gingerbread is already being worked on, and our Froyo build doesn't actually work that well, why not just move ALL the resources out there to GB, and the most recent right away. Why go incrementally?

Divine_Madcat said:
I guess what i am thinking - given that Gingerbread is already being worked on, and our Froyo build doesn't actually work that well, why not just move ALL the resources out there to GB, and the most recent right away. Why go incrementally?
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I'd agree with that.. If the effort is the same for both, go with Gingerbread. However so far we have Nookie Froyo which is "mostly" there and I haven't heard of Gingerbread on the NC at all.

Just to add how amazing this gadget is I'm typing this comment using SlideIT and it has taken mea fraction of what it used to.
Sent from my rooted Nook Color

khaytsus said:
I'd agree with that.. If the effort is the same for both, go with Gingerbread. However so far we have Nookie Froyo which is "mostly" there and I haven't heard of Gingerbread on the NC at all.
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WEll, there is a gingerbread branch that is being worked on here: https://github.com/fat-tire/android_device_bn_encore
And there is plenty of talk that CM7 is on its way (though, i admit that i still fall into the see it to believe it camp). http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/11127-nook-color/page__st__40
But regardless, the froyo build really isn't that usable - its laggy, market is like sludge, etc. I really think that the devs working on it, should take the froyo lessons, and focus totally on GB. Let froyo be the sandbox for others to learn on, and let GB be the first real OS upgrade for the NC.

[Q] Basic Question in regards to why

I would start this off by giving all the developers a big thank you! I'm not the only person here that appreciates what they have done for the community of Android and other OS based phones and tablets.
But to the question at hand. Why would I need to customize the Nook color? I can understand rooting it, but why modify the system in such a way as to turn it into an over glorified phone?
Why hasn't someone come up with a rom that mimic's the original purpose of the nook? What I mean by this, is create a rom that for all intents and purposes looks and acts like the original nook with the rest of the features hidden?
Again, this is just me, I still give thanks to all the developers and appreciate their hard work.

I'm not a dev, but I don't really understand your question...you want a ROM that acts just like the stock nook now but with features hidden? If this is what you want then why bother rooting, just keep it as is. I, personally, don't know why you would want to hide more features, the purpose of root is to unhide or add features

Hi,
Depends what you want from the Nook Color...
The Google Android market is not available under the stock B&N ROM, so that
is one wonderful feature either rooting or changing ROMs can you give you.
(Rumors say the next version of B&N software will have an limited B&N market)
If you use NC mainly for an eBook reader - Market access lets you also use
Amazon Kindle eBook reader, FBReader, various PDF readers and many others.
Of course there are games, music players & video players, web browsers, news
readers, weather apps, alarm clocks etc. too. Once you start installing applications
it can be interesting to change the base user interface and/or the performance of
the system - customizing & personalizing the NC can be fun too!
Or you can just use it as is, plenty of productive uses for the un-modified NC!
Peter

FroztIkon said:
But to the question at hand. Why would I need to customize the Nook color? I can understand rooting it, but why modify the system in such a way as to turn it into an over glorified phone?
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What you are missing is that modifying the system does not turn it into an over glorified phone.
It turns it into a Galaxy Tab that costs half the price.
The Nook Color is a tablet - onto which B&N then installed a special-purpose color e-reader operating system. By removing that operating system and installing a more general purpose Android operating system, one then has a 7 inch web tablet.
The Nook Color is well-suited to this, because B&N put a lot of their hardware $$ into a very high quality multi-touch display.
That allows the 7-inch size to show that it is the best compromise between portability and visibility.
Like a Kindle e-reader, the NC can be easily held with one hand, fits into a small bag or purse, or large coat pocket, but is large enough to clearly display a full page of text - or else a much bigger portion of a web page than a phone.

hxh103 said:
I'm not a dev, but I don't really understand your question...you want a ROM that acts just like the stock nook now but with features hidden? If this is what you want then why bother rooting, just keep it as is. I, personally, don't know why you would want to hide more features, the purpose of root is to unhide or add features
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The purpose of the device was as a reader. Why root it, change the rom only to have to download the nook app for the nook? Which is kinda the reason of the question why. Why change the entire thing, then have to download an application that makes it do what it was meant to do.
I'd love to find a rom that has all the same features of Froyo or Gingerbread that doesn't remove the B&N functionality of the reader. Meaning, its a reader without needing to download the nook app.

This is akin to asking why if you already own an iPhone would you buy an iPad2 or an iTouch.

Atahachi said:
This is akin to asking why if you already own an iPhone would you buy an iPad2 or an iTouch.
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No, I'm being more specific to just one device. I have a Captivate, so according to you, why would I want a modified nook color.
The true purpose of the question, which if you read up, was why modify it, just to download the app for it's purpose.

Well, for me there are two reasons....
Flash
Rooted Stock can be kinda... painful... at times. The settings is a perfect example. The stock version of android was customized to the point where it can be almost annoying to use as a tablet.
As to the purpose of reading, I agree. the nook app doesn't compare to the 'app(s)' that came stock. But while I do miss them, I much prefer to have a more true android experience.

hololight said:
Well, for me there are two reasons....
Flash
Rooted Stock can be kinda... painful... at times. The settings is a perfect example. The stock version of android was customized to the point where it can be almost annoying to use as a tablet.
As to the purpose of reading, I agree. the nook app doesn't compare to the 'app(s)' that came stock. But while I do miss them, I much prefer to have a more true android experience.
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I agree. It is painful and missing the stock reader is painful as well. I guess I'm missing the point of the full Droid experience.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA Premium App

You modify or upgrade it firmware is to UPGRADE its functionalities, if you want to use it more than a simple eReader. You'll turn it into a tablet, and/or replace many functions of your phone which it'll be better with the large screen.

the answer can quite simple actually. alot of people didn't buy it to be a reader. they bought it because they knew it could be rooted to be a fairly competent tablet.
afaik, nothing can be really done to make it what you want (stock b&n apps with froyo/gingerbread features) until B&N releases a newer version with Froyo. Its not a matter of the devs wanting to get rid of all the stock apps. if it were possible to maintain the stock apps and incorporate them into a froyo or gingerbread build i'm absolutely sure it would have been done. but i for one don't want the community standing still waiting for B&N to update its stock rom to froyo while great roms like CM7, and Nookie Froyo go undeveloped.
you're free to stay on autonooter (stock rooted) if that's what you want.

In other words: Why on Earth would anyone want to buy something and then make it much better... for free?

Barrist said it best. I didn't buy a nook for the ereader, I bought it for the potential to make it into an Android Tablet, and I'm very happy with it. Also there are MUCH better apps for reading than the Nook app or Kindle app, which is another reason I am happy. If you're interested in the features of different ereader apps, check out the post in the nook color themes and apps section (i'll be posting it later today)
And to answer a question that was implied, there is a dev working on a launcher that will mimic the stock ROM while flashed to another ROM. Although it has caused many issues (that they are trying to resolve) progress is going pretty well from what I understand. Unfortunately, it's not as simple as porting an app over to work, the dev actually has to modify the programming and I don't think he has much help. I think it's just one guy with advice from the community.

For me the purpose is because I don't want a ebook reader. I want the world's first affordable tablet, which a hacked Nook Color is. I never read books, but I use my Nook Color tablet for hours everyday (lots of fruit to cut).
For others the reason is because the stock B&N program only works on Eclair, and frankly Eclair sucks. No Flash, no hardware composite, no bluetooth support on Eclair.

Now that the official 2.2 froyo update is available.....

What are the chances of getting the stock NC Launcher/App working in custom 2.2-2.3 roms?
I'm not @ home atm so I am unable to tinker with it myself for the time being.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/u/noo...ue Inc-_-k175726-_-j12871747k175726-_-Primary
Software Updates - Version 1.2.0
Barnes & Noble is providing a major firmware update for NOOK Color that contains exciting new features, addresses key customer requests and provides ongoing performance improvements. Among the enhancements, NOOK Color v1.2 now offering popular NOOK Apps�, NOOK Email�, an enhanced web experience, NOOK Kids� Read and Play� titles, enhanced NOOK Books, and more. The software update will be automatically downloaded to devices that are registered and connected to Wi-Fi�, beginning the week of April 25 and over the coming weeks. There�s no need for you to take any action. The software update is also available immediately via a manual download offered here. Please refer to the instructions below for the manual download. To check the current software version of your NOOK Color, please click here for additional instructions.
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msgnyc said:
What are the chances of getting the stock NC Launcher/App working in custom 2.2-2.3 roms?
I'm not @ home atm so I am unable to tinker with it myself for the time being.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/u/noo...ue Inc-_-k175726-_-j12871747k175726-_-Primary
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Just as good of a chance at getting Sense UI on any device that isn't HTC. Slim.

Why so slim a chance?
I see custom Sense Roms all of the time for HTC devices.
I'm not meaning getting the NC stock launcher/app onto other tablets, but into Custom Roms for the NC itself.

They hack up the framework for their custom launcher/apps. Without the source code to their launcher there is little hope for running that on AOSP builds.
Now someone can make a custom 2.2 rom (winzippers) like you see for HTC, but those are not AOSP based. They are also in an illegal grey area....
With the exception of magazines there are a lot of alternatives to the stock reader. I don't see what the obsession with the stock software is.

Read to me Kids books is another feature, much more so than magazines (IMO) that makes stock worth holding onto for some, like me, that have children and actually use NC for books.

I like the layout of the stock launcher.
The Magazines are a plus,
The storefront is better then the marketplace nook app and since I do have alot of B&N books It is nice being able to actually read them. Cant with 3rd party readers and the Nook App in the marketplace BLOWs. Especially if you've alot of side loaded books. No cover art for sideloaded books and the layout sux.
I also LOVE the fact that nomatter where I am or what I am doing, there is a page icon at the bottom of the screen that takes me directly back to were I left off in the book I am reading, Also shortcuts that take me directly to the B&N Store or my Library from where ever I am are always present. It is integrated extremely well.
[edited]^^ Read to Me Kids Books is pretty darn cool to. My nieces and nephews love it.

msgnyc said:
I like the layout of the stock launcher.
The Magazines are a plus,
The storefront is better then the marketplace nook app and since I do have alot of B&N books It is nice being able to actually read them. Cant with 3rd party readers and the Nook App in the marketplace BLOWs. Especially if you've alot of side loaded books. No cover art for sideloaded books and the layout sux.
I also LOVE the fact that nomatter where I am or what I am doing, there is a page icon at the bottom of the screen that takes me directly back to were I left off in the book I am reading, Also shortcuts that take me directly to the B&N Store or my Library from where ever I am are always present. It is integrated extremely well.
[edited]^^ Read to Me Kids Books is pretty darn cool to. My nieces and nephews love it.
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+1, the regular android nook app blows. It doesn't even have a built in dictionary.
Would be great if we could port the nook library/store to other roms.

I am very curious as to why everyone thinks that the new update will make it easier to pull out the custom nook application. As Nemith pointed out, the apps rely on heavily modded framework, which means you can't just grab the APK and go. Despite being a 2.2 upgrade, i don't expect any difference there; the custom launcher shows that they are still heavily changing the Android framework..
I think the bigger issue is the big divide in users. As a tablet user, one of the first things i was happy to get rid of, was B&N's horrific interface changes (notification bar, etc), via CM7 (and Froyo before that). The "Read to me" feature was neat, but certainly not worth keeping in light of the horrible UI. But that is me, since i do not want it as an eReader. I guess others are more ok with it..

Well, it would be "easier" to work on porting from 2.2 to 2.2/2.3 rather then it would be from 1.6-2.2/2.3 as a whole.
Not that it would necessarily be "easy"
I never really had an issue with the B&N interface myself. Well, after installing ADW that is.
That's just user preference. Not everyone likes/dislikes the same thing.
I don't mind my tablet interface being slightly different from my phones.

My plan is to run stock on the EMMC and CM7+ from SDcard. Just need to take the leap and get them to dual boot and share the same Sdcard partition.
Homer

Why not just dualboot your EMMC? The process takes no time whatsoever, and it will still run the updated stock without a problem. Flash to stock 1.1, upgrade to 1.2, prep dualboot, migrate stock 1.2 to second partition and install CM7 nightlies unmodified to the primary partition. Its what I do, and what I'm planning on doing when 1.2 is rooted. Seems senseless to me to boot off an SD when you can do it all internally
-Wheeled Wonder

nemith said:
With the exception of magazines there are a lot of alternatives to the stock reader. I don't see what the obsession with the stock software is.
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You can only access the large library of "Nook Kids" color books using the stock reader. A few of the Kids titles will load on the B&N Nook app, but most will not as they are made specifically for the stock reader.
Once B&N releases their updated tablet reader app that is supposed to support Nook Kids books like the one for the iPad does, this won't be an issue anymore. So those of us that use the Nook Color (and Nook Kids books) to read to our kids, are stuck using the stock reader. My daughter LOVES the "Read-to-me" feature of Nook kids, and I would not be on her good side if i got rid of it just to run a custom ROM.
I dual boot Honeycomb on my MicroSD card, but the "Nootered" Stock ROM is what I use on a daily basis, as I use the stock reader a lot.

Does anyone know exactly what's changed in the magazine reading?

corruption42 said:
Why not just dualboot your EMMC? The process takes no time whatsoever, and it will still run the updated stock without a problem. Flash to stock 1.1, upgrade to 1.2, prep dualboot, migrate stock 1.2 to second partition and install CM7 nightlies unmodified to the primary partition. Its what I do, and what I'm planning on doing when 1.2 is rooted. Seems senseless to me to boot off an SD when you can do it all internally
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No offence to those who duel book their NCs, but I see no point in it whatsoever.
I really dont want to have to continuously reboot my NC just to boot an alternate version of the same OS.
I would much rather have the one. I never have to turn off my NC as is. I rather have everything on the one OS rather then have to boot back and forth just to use what I have on one or the other. Takes no time whatsoever? That does indeed take time everytime you have to power down and reboot back and forth.
I'm just waiting for the official update to be rooted now. XD

Homer_S_xda said:
My plan is to run stock on the EMMC and CM7+ from SDcard. Just need to take the leap and get them to dual boot and share the same Sdcard partition.
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That's what I did with my modified SDcard install, base download and all the notes in;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1022786
Hopefully will save you some time...

To each their own -- I was simply providing another route of administration for someone who, unlike you, IS interested in dualbooting. Some of us have a point to it -- for example, I have magazine subscriptions held over from my original nook -- I like reading the things I paid for. Can't read them in the market version of the Nook app. That leaves me with one option: the stock install. However, it doesn't take care of my desire for a tablet operating system. CM7 does that perfectly. You know how long a reboot takes? 45 seconds. Its not the end of the world, and for those of us who DO have a purpose for it, it certainly isn't pointless.
Your comment, however, kinda was.
-Wheeled Wonder

So was your seeing as I said "I see no point in it"
Doesn't mean other people don't have a reason for it.
Thank you for your also pointless post.

msgnyc said:
Well, it would be "easier" to work on porting from 2.2 to 2.2/2.3 rather then it would be from 1.6-2.2/2.3 as a whole.
Not that it would necessarily be "easy"
I never really had an issue with the B&N interface myself. Well, after installing ADW that is.
That's just user preference. Not everyone likes/dislikes the same thing.
I don't mind my tablet interface being slightly different from my phones.
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1.6?? The nook by stock runs 2.1. And i still say that no, it doesn't really make it easier, since we don't have the source code to see what B&N really changed. Sure, we can keep trying to run it, and grab files are we find them, but then you are overwriting other files which isn't desirable. Realistically, the only way we are safely porting the apps, is if:
1) B&N's app stops relying on modded framework; everything is neatly tucked in the apk
2) We somehow got B&N's Froyo source code (which they are under no obligation to release) and see what is being used and how to put it in CM7 code.

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1.6?? The nook by stock runs 2.1. And i still say that no, it doesn't really make it easier, since we don't have the source code to see what B&N really changed. Sure, we can keep trying to run it, and grab files are we find them, but then you are overwriting other files which isn't desirable. Realistically, the only way we are safely porting the apps, is if:
1) B&N's app stops relying on modded framework; everything is neatly tucked in the apk
2) We somehow got B&N's Froyo source code (which they are under no obligation to release) and see what is being used and how to put it in CM7 code.
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Bleh, my mistake on that one. lmao
I see where you are coming from. Still doesn't hurt to ask what the chance of it happening are. Know what I mean. Answers to questions are always a good thing.

msgnyc said:
So was your seeing as I said "I see no point in it"
Doesn't mean other people don't have a reason for it.
Thank you for your also pointless post.
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Nein -- you see, my original post was constructive and provided an alternative option. Your post provided negativity and nothing to add to the conversation. Mine had a point
Either way, as long as we all own the most cost effective tablet on the market, its all gravy
-Wheeled Wonder

What's next for stock rooted development?

I'm very happy with the manualnooter setup for the new update. I like the stock feel and apps while having the ability to overclock, use the market, etc. After all, I do use it for reading. But is there nothing more to develop with this setup until B&N releases a new update? Maybe the ability to merge specific CM7 features with it to gain performance if nothing else?
Honestly, I'm not seeing any reason these days to switch back to CM7. The only thing currently on my wishlist is better flash browsing performance. But that's more of a hardware issue than anything from what I've read.

Kayak83 said:
I'm very happy with the manualnooter setup for the new update. I like the stock feel and apps while having the ability to overclock, use the market, etc. After all, I do use it for reading. But is there nothing more to develop with this setup until B&N releases a new update? Maybe the ability to merge specific CM7 features with it to gain performance if nothing else?
Honestly, I'm not seeing any reason these days to switch back to CM7. The only thing currently on my wishlist is better flash browsing performance. But that's more of a hardware issue than anything from what I've read.
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Thankfully, all of the current developer resources are being spent on more fruitful ventures like CM7. Sorry, but sticking with the old OS is silly, unless you specifically need the nook app features. CM7 has more hardware features enabled, a new OS, and a good classic Android experience (none of B&N's blah framework).
I think the best that stock users can hope for is some newer kernels every now and then, but ill be honest; i really hope he keeps up with CM7 first and foremost. Again, it is the better OS, and more deserving of the development time.

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Thankfully, all of the current developer resources are being spent on more fruitful ventures like CM7. Sorry, but sticking with the old OS is silly, unless you specifically need the nook app features. CM7 has more hardware features enabled, a new OS, and a good classic Android experience (none of B&N's blah framework).
I think the best that stock users can hope for is some newer kernels every now and then, but ill be honest; i really hope he keeps up with CM7 first and foremost. Again, it is the better OS, and more deserving of the development time.
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Bluetooth thats not very useful/practical. Decreased battery life. No stock B&N reader app (the market one doesn't have near the stock's polish).
I'm not sure why this makes the ROOTED stock OS "silly." This is, of curse, coming from a non-developer/programmer. Standing plainly from a consumer perspective, I don't see the "blah" framework nor do i care since the performance seems to be nearly the same. I'm not getting into a Quadrant score argument here either .
That being said, honeycomb would be deserving of my attention....with the B&N reader. haha.
*I realize this might read as being negative, but I promise you it's not. I'm just carrying a conversation of the pros/cons. I obviously appreciate the development, whichever way it goes, because it benefits everybody.*

Kayak83 said:
Bluetooth thats not very useful/practical. Decreased battery life. No stock B&N reader app (the market one doesn't have near the stock's polish).
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Sorry, but that is crazy. The bluetooth is incredibly useful. It allows me to use the Nook as a standalone nav device (and let me tell you, nav on a 7" rocks), or use my bluetooth speaker set. The battery life is fine for what it is. even overclocked, i have never run out of battery in a heavy days use. Charge at night, and i am good to go. I understand the reader, which is why i gave it as the one exception.
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I'm not sure why this makes the ROOTED stock OS "silly." This is, of curse, coming from a non-developer/programmer. Standing plainly from a consumer perspective, I don't see the "blah" framework nor do i care since the performance seems to be nearly the same. I'm not getting into a Quadrant score argument here either .
That being said, honeycomb would be deserving of my attention....with the B&N reader. haha.
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I am talking as a consumer as well. I hated the changes B&N made to the Android look and feel. I understand it was done with the goal of making it an eReader, but given an alternative, i had no desire to keep it. Even benchmarks aside, Ginerbread has always felt faster (and has better app and memory management).
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*I realize this might read as being negative, but I promise you it's not. I'm just carrying a conversation of the pros/cons. I obviously appreciate the development, whichever way it goes, because it benefits everybody.*
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I have no problems with discussion.

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I understand the reader, which is why i gave it as the one exception.
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Yeah, but the reader is a pretty big exception depending on what you use the Nook Color for. While I can't see myself going back to stock OS from CM7, I have to say that the B&N reader in the market blows in comparison to what comes stock on the NC. Most critically, opening a book with highlighting can take 1 1/2 to 2 minutes on the App, wheras it's instant on the stock reader.
My Nook Color journey will be complete and I'll finally be able to use this thing the way I truly want when (1) Movies play as well on my NC as they did on BN OS 1.1, and (2) the Nook App for Android opens books as quickly as the stock reader does.

dsf3g said:
Yeah, but the reader is a pretty big exception depending on what you use the Nook Color for. While I can't see myself going back to stock OS from CM7, I have to say that the B&N reader in the market blows in comparison to what comes stock on the NC. Most critically, opening a book with highlighting can take 1 1/2 to 2 minutes on the App, wheras it's instant on the stock reader.
My Nook Color journey will be complete and I'll finally be able to use this thing the way I truly want when (1) Movies play as well on my NC as they did on BN OS 1.1, and (2) the Nook App for Android opens books as quickly as the stock reader does.
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The reader is the only reason I can justify having a tablet. The Transformer is REALLY tempting but I can't really find a specific use aside from the "because I can," attitude.

Hate to say it, but I tend to agree with Madcat on this one. CM7 is a constantly growing project with lots of development support. Stock is... Well stock... You may never see another update for it and I don't feel it comes with anywhere near as much customization.
If you're truly happy with an "eReader" than updates are silly past Manualnooter. It's overclocked and you can read just fine. If you want a "tablet" that's why there's CM7.
That said, had I just wanted an eReader, I would have just bought a Nook or Kindle, battery life is far better for those, and you can easily read your books. Like Madcat said, it's very easy to use the Nook Color heavily (overclocked to 1.3ghz on .29 kernel/Debateable on .32 till PBD is fixed) for a whole day and charge at night. I don't think you're going to see much better even on Stock...
Bluetooth... Silly? LOL, the only thing missing from the Nook color is video out, and I would have a highly portable video game system for vacations, family get togethers, etc.. As Madcat also mentioned, bluetooth gps is pretty awesome on this screen, makes me regret recently buying a TomTom.
But you're also forgetting USB host support that will soon be baked in, allowing the nook to use external usb keybords, mouses, webcams(possibly?), video game controllers and hard drives!
Something goes wrong with CM7 you have a lot of dev support and other user support. Something breaks in Stock and you have the manual spoken to you in verbatim, with an Indian Accent and an American name.
My Nook Color journey will be complete and I'll finally be able to use this thing the way I truly want when (1) Movies play as well on my NC as they did on BN OS 1.1, and (2) the Nook App for Android opens books as quickly as the stock reader does.
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Not sure why it hasn't ended for video... Overclock it and use Moboplayer and you can easily watch videos. That or learn to encode videos with handbrake to the specs of the nook color for hardware acceleration.
As far as the Nook App goes... I don't really read books outside of pdfs, so correct me if I'm wrong... But couldn't you use other programs like Kindle? or Moon Reader or Aikido?

I'm a little confused about the Bluetooth usability comments. Has the extremely short range issue been resolved and I missed it?
Personally I did want a device that was mostly an eReader with added capability. A rooted/over-clocked Nook Color running Smart Taskbar, Button Savior and a few other goodies fits that bill. Sure the user interface is not Android but that wasn't my intent from the start.
If the Bluetooth range can be/has been resolved, that would be icing on the cake if it gets ported to the rooted NC.If Bluetooth range while using WiFi is still sub par, I wouldn't describe it as very useful even if I were running CM7.
Even though we're on XDA, not all of us are interested in constantly tinkering with our toys all the time. If that is your thing, I say more power to you but there is no call to ridicule others who are looking for something different. Hopefully we can rise above such rudeness and treat each other with common courtesy.
-Joe

PuterGeek said:
Hopefully we can rise above such rudeness and treat each other with common courtesy.
-Joe
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Who's being rude? Seems pretty civil so far.

I just nooted last night with the lastest MN and Dalingrin's 2.6.32 OC kernel and let me tell you I am as happy as I can be. I did consider CM7 or Phiremod which I think are great but then I realized I am using this baby more for ereading than anything else.
I do like the BN reader launcher and I want to enjoy it a little bit more, the OC brings new life to it (is laggy as hell out of the box). I have now installed around 50 apps including ADW EX, customized it to my taste and to be frank regarding UI I have it to the level CM7 or Phiremod is. I can't imagine it faster than it is (it actually beats my Cognition 4 Samsung Galaxy S in feel and in Quadrant 1800 vs 2300 for the nook).
So I might change later but my needs are fulfilled for now, same situation with my Galaxy S, until CM7 is stable over there I'm sticking with stable froyo Cog goodness.