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Vibrant and Future Proofing

Hey Guys,
I'm on the fence about buying a Vibrant and I'd love some perspective from you guys, the dev community.
I saw the Vibrant, love the screen and overall performance...however, I'm concerned about the future (6-9) months out.
The device is supposed to get Froyo..but what about Gingerbread?
How is the dev-ability of this device? Might there be a custom ROM to 1) have Froyo before Samsung 'blesses us' with it...what about Gingerbread?
Thanks guys - I'm new to this scene and appreciate your perspective.

wrong section. this is not development.

phantasm714 said:
wrong section. this is not development.
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I'm confused...the breadcrumb at the top of the page says:
Samsung Vibrant > Vibrant Android Development
where'd I go wrong?

techcraver said:
Hey Guys,
I'm on the fence about buying a Vibrant and I'd love some perspective from you guys, the dev community.
I saw the Vibrant, love the screen and overall performance...however, I'm concerned about the future (6-9) months out.
The device is supposed to get Froyo..but what about Gingerbread?
How is the dev-ability of this device? Might there be a custom ROM to 1) have Froyo before Samsung 'blesses us' with it...what about Gingerbread?
Thanks guys - I'm new to this scene and appreciate your perspective.
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for future posts like this, belongs better in the general section not the development secion... link below to general
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=709
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such an unhelpful post. If you don't plan on helping, don't bother wasting the time to make a post like this, the only thing it helps is your post count and that means jack..

techcraver said:
I'm confused...the breadcrumb at the top of the page says:
Samsung Vibrant > Vibrant Android Development
where'd I go wrong?
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He means your question is not about development.

psychoace said:
He means your question is not about development.
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ok...part of it was. it was a Q to the devs about the potential to put ROMs on this device.
I read on an Android blog comment that even though the phone has been rooted, that drivers are not 'in the open' so therefore ROMs would not be possible. I'm wanting to fact-check this

rsfaze said:
for future posts like this, belongs better in the general section not the development secion... link below to general
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=709
such an unhelpful post. If you don't plan on helping, don't bother wasting the time to make a post like this, the only thing it helps is your post count and that means jack..
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boo hoo. so im not helping. it says RIGHT IN THE FIRST STICKY
"This is Development Section, not General.. Do NOT post questions here.. SEARCH the forum before posting a new thread"
sorry if im a LITTLE callous to people not reading and cluttering up dev.

techcraver said:
ok...part of it was. it was a Q to the devs about the potential to put ROMs on this device.
I read on an Android blog comment that even though the phone has been rooted, that drivers are not 'in the open' so therefore ROMs would not be possible. I'm wanting to fact-check this
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This is wrong. We will DEFINITELY see custom roms for this device.

I'm clapping my hands in joy and excitement
could custom ROMs include the possibility of Froyo, even before Samsung brings it 'officially'?

techcraver said:
I'm clapping my hands in joy and excitement
could custom ROMs include the possibility of Froyo, even before Samsung brings it 'officially'?
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No definitive answer to that, but more than likely. Almost every previous device has either received a custom unreleased or early leaked android build. No worries though, we won't be waiting long for an official 2.2 dump. FYI, this device will eventually get Gingerbread. Google has already reported that all devices running a 1ghz processor will receive Gingerbread. However, don't expect that until AT LEAST the end of the year, possibly later.

I would suspect that we will start seeing Froyo roms come out between the time Samsung releases the "official" froyo rom and T-Mobile pushing said rom to the handsets.

Rooting was available for me even before i purchased the phone. Now i found out, Cyanogen Mod 6 is on the works. I believe that is froyo. Also, Clockwork recovery is as well. I believe we are in good hands. Future looks good so far being the phone out in my hands only 5 days.

ok cool. I was holding back on buying a Vibrant because I don't want to plunk down $500 bones and then have this thing be obsolete when Gingerbread comes out.

I'm still wondering the "open source" status of the driver of Vibrant. Someone said it's closed thus may affect the custom ROM progress? Can anyone elaborate on this a little bit?

CM6 for vibrant is being actively developed right now, its in an alpha0 stage, and should be finished(within a week hopefully) as for Gingerbread, I have no clue whether we will get that working on the vibrant, dont know the requirements, but since the vibrant is the fastest handset currently available, im thinking gingerbread will happen. Also we have plenty of space, plenty of ram, and a 1ghz processor, we'll be seeing dual core handsets at the end of the year/early next year, until then im happy to be getting my vibrant tomorrow shipped to me by tmobile.
some french guy already got froyo working on the galaxy s, its being worked on and will happen.
I'm also very happy tmobile has a Equiptment installment plan for me, since ive been using the G1 since October 08, im very happy to upgrade to this device

t1n0m3n said:
I would suspect that we will start seeing Froyo roms come out between the time Samsung releases the "official" froyo rom and T-Mobile pushing said rom to the handsets.
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Since CM6 is froyo, we'll definitely see that before we see the official froyo rom from samsung. It'll be stock android--just like the nexus one style of look-- but at least it's android 2.2.
Once froyo (touchwiz ui) from samsung is released, we will definitely get a lot of froyo ROMs from our community, or if you're still stock then you can get the official update

Min. requirement for gingerbread.
1 Ghz Processor
512 mb RAM
3.5" Screen
Anybody know exactly how many mb of RAM Galaxy S have?

sl8125 said:
Anybody know exactly how many mb of RAM Galaxy S have?
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A simple Google search tells me 512...

So, do people get flamed for posting dev or theme stuff in the GENERAL section? Just pondering...

ryanolson7 said:
Since CM6 is froyo, we'll definitely see that before we see the official froyo rom from samsung. It'll be stock android--just like the nexus one style of look-- but at least it's android 2.2.
Once froyo (touchwiz ui) from samsung is released, we will definitely get a lot of froyo ROMs from our community, or if you're still stock then you can get the official update
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And where would the aforementioned CM6 be?

Are there any roms better than stock for this phone?

There was such a good selection on the desire.there appears to be such a limited selection on the galaxy s...none seem that good.
Can people recommend which is best and why? Looking for a fast and stable rom.

My rom is xxjm1 by the way.

Not yet, stock is still the most trouble free for now. Won't last long though.

Its my understand (and hopefullness) that most devs FroYo. Most (if not all) are just themed and optimized roms at the moment.

We want froyo !
Yes, most devs are waiting for froyo, just because everyone will want to upgrade, and there is just no justification to make a custom rom with 2.1 just for a few weeks.

Have you not tried SamSet? Dude there are about 4 different Custom ROMs on XDA :| how can you say there are no good ones as you haven't even tried any?
Devs are waiting for FroYo and Cyanogen Mod, that'll increase the ROM majority. The Desire has FroYo (Official) AND Cyanogen Mod, so there are tons of ROMs. Stock isn't the best atm, SamSets is the best for now.

MAMBO04 said:
Have you not tried SamSet? Dude there are about 4 different Custom ROMs on XDA :| how can you say there are no good ones as you haven't even tried any?
Devs are waiting for FroYo and Cyanogen Mod, that'll increase the ROM majority. The Desire has FroYo (Official) AND Cyanogen Mod, so there are tons of ROMs. Stock isn't the best atm, SamSets is the best for now.
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first off, 4 roms is nothing.
Secondly, setzuna or whatever he is called produced a bog standard rom for the desire.
I want quality original roms. Hopefully asop pure roms like cyanogen.
The galaxy s roms are poop at the moment.
Really...

Desire has 6month head start, also helps when the desire is clone of nexus one which is reference dev gadget so what do you expect. Have look at other latest devices that came out in last 2 months and tell me if they even have roms yet, you have been spoilt.
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Agreed, ROM selection for the Hero (my last phone) were much better. I've tried HackEclair, Doc's StockRomMod and SamSet (currently the one I'm using).
From reading the forums, it really does look like all the devs are just waiting on the official Froyo release. I also read somewhere that the ROMs must be based off of official firmwares or else they won't work, which would make sense why it's difficult to get Sense-like interfaces on the phone.
Either way, it's only a few weeks - if that - until the official Froyo!

jaketurbo said:
first off, 4 roms is nothing.
Secondly, setzuna or whatever he is called produced a bog standard rom for the desire.
I want quality original roms. Hopefully asop pure roms like cyanogen.
The galaxy s roms are poop at the moment.
Really...
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Seriously? did you not even read my post at all?
you CAN'T produce a 'bog' standard ROM for the SGS yet, It's been done for the other Galaxy S version(s) (ASOP ROM) but that's in BETA stage and some features don't even work. We have to wait for Cyanogen.
If you really want 'quality' original ROMs make them yourself. The devs here do it in their free time and aren't doing this to tailor your every suit and need, and you don't pay them for it and they do it out of sole interest. SetENZA makes ROMs because he obviously enjoys it and the challenge, and shares it with the community, and you can't compare the SGS and Desire development, they're both entirely different and the SGS is newer, meaning the Desire has more backing.
How are they 'poop' if you haven't even tested a single custom ROM?
I agree that we need more development but seriously, if you are implying that no dev is making a good custom ROM at the moment then you are VERY wrong. SamSet is the most stable one for now, DocRambone is stripped entirely so check his ROMs out. You need to read up a bit more, we all know that there is slow ROM development and for a REASON.

Hurry up Sammy.

MAMBO04 said:
Seriously? did you not even read my post at all?
you CAN'T produce a 'bog' standard ROM for the SGS yet, It's been done for the other Galaxy S version(s) (ASOP ROM) but that's in BETA stage and some features don't even work. We have to wait for Cyanogen.
If you really want 'quality' original ROMs make them yourself. The devs here do it in their free time and aren't doing this to tailor your every suit and need, and you don't pay them for it and they do it out of sole interest. SetENZA makes ROMs because he obviously enjoys it and the challenge, and shares it with the community, and you can't compare the SGS and Desire development, they're both entirely different and the SGS is newer, meaning the Desire has more backing.
How are they 'poop' if you haven't even tested a single custom ROM?
I agree that we need more development but seriously, if you are implying that no dev is making a good custom ROM at the moment then you are VERY wrong. SamSet is the most stable one for now, DocRambone is stripped entirely so check his ROMs out. You need to read up a bit more, we all know that there is slow ROM development and for a REASON.
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hi,
Please don't make these assumptions. I have tried a couple of the roms and am back to my original stock rom now because none of them seem better than it.
I also wasn't suggesting that people weren't making roms or that things won't get better. I am just disappointed its taking a long time. I had good 2.1 roms within a month of me having a desire, asop 2.2 within 2 months.
Anyhow, the roms have a long way to go it seems... They aren't the best at the moment but I'm sure they will be great soon enough.

jaketurbo said:
hi,
Please don't make these assumptions. I have tried a couple of the roms and am back to my original stock rom now because none of them seem better than it.
I also wasn't suggesting that people weren't making roms or that things won't get better. I am just disappointed its taking a long time. I had good 2.1 roms within a month of me having a desire, asop 2.2 within 2 months.
Anyhow, the roms have a long way to go it seems... They aren't the best at the moment but I'm sure they will be great soon enough.
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Okay, fair enough
Yeah but with patience we will see a fair share of ROMs in the next month, i guess these things take time, the Desire did get pretty popular though as it is HTC and Samsung is known for being crap with updates, but now the SGS is getting better and slowly it will overtake the Desire, i assure you.
Once Froyo is released, i think we can expect more than 4 ROMs

MAMBO04 said:
Okay, fair enough
Yeah but with patience we will see a fair share of ROMs in the next month, i guess these things take time, the Desire did get pretty popular though as it is HTC and Samsung is known for being crap with updates, but now the SGS is getting better and slowly it will overtake the Desire, i assure you.
Once Froyo is released, i think we can expect more than 4 ROMs
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Impt point to note is when Froyo is released by Samsung, because Samsung is known for its delays and lack of enthusiasm, that we all take for granted from HTC =( I miss my HD2 and Desire

jana999 said:
Impt point to note is when Froyo is released by Samsung, because Samsung is known for its delays and lack of enthusiasm, that we all take for granted from HTC =( I miss my HD2 and Desire
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Disagreed.
Yes, Samsung has been crap in the past but with this phone they're pushing a lot out. We are yet to see how they respond to the Froyo update and how they maintain it, so you may be right, but i think that in this case Samsung will release it and *hopefully* maintain it, if not then XDA is here to maintain all phones, of course
HD2 has potential for Android as it's been ported, but WinMo is horrible and the Sense interface just makes it that little bit better, so glad i ditched WinMo for Android. Desire is awesome but the inferior screen and sensitivity made me get the SGS because the hardware is just that little bit better

Questions about the AT&T Galaxy Note/Roms

Hey everyone,
I'm going to be a brand new Galaxy note Owner soon, out of box fresh stock from ATT...
I've "flashed" roms i guess before on several Android devices... i'm still not 100% in tune with all the LINGO everyone uses these days.. and I gotta say it's become more and more confusing as days go by.. so it's hard to determine and understand "whats out there" available...
Anywho.. to the reason for my post,
I'm pretty sure i'm NOT going to be happy with the stock experience provided by samsung and also all the BLOATWARE...
What's the best rom out there for me to get that would be the closest to stock Ice Cream sandwich? the fastest and smoothest, and also has the easiest process to Root and Rom into?
Any help anyone can provide would be MUCH Appreciated. =)
Thanks.

If it is fresh from ATT it probably isn't an international model. So you need to go to the Galaxy Note ATT version forum on XDA.

It takes time and research to safely jump into the root/flash pool. I've been doing it for a couple of years and still i'm confused by a lot of the lingo these rom developers use, but they are mostly pretty good about explaining the rom, and safe practices in the posts so you will pick up on it.
You should probably ask this question in the AT&T note section. The international note has a different chip set so as far as i understand the roms won't be interchangable. http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1513
Some roms are on multiple devices so i can recommend some of the big ones. CM9 is my favorite, its coming along nicely and has a good amount of customization. Kang is also pretty good and has more customization than Cm9. those are probably the two biggest roms that are close to ICS AOSP (which i'm assuming you mean by stock rather than touchwiz stock). I havent received my note (N7000) yet so i havent been able to try these out, but i hear ya lose your SPen integration on these roms. I ran CM9 on the Galaxy Nexus from day one.
Hope i helped

Another S4 vs One thread, BUT Different

I have been reading a bunch of HTC One vs S4 threads and been watching them. And I feel like everyone is making the comparisons on each stock, which makes sense. But I was wondering which is better when rooted and both having a custom rom and kernel. Since I know that having a custom rom and kernel can make the overall performance better.
For Example, people were complaining about the lag on the S4 so they switched to the One. But I feel like if those people would've have rooted it and put a custom rom or kernel, it might have helped the lag.
So which device do you guys think is better with custom rom and kernel improvements?
Which one has a bigger improvement with custom roms and kernels?
Thanks guys And if there is a thread like this comparing the roms and kernels of each device against each other, then post a link and I can ask to close this thread.
Posted this in the S4 forum as well to have opinions on both sides and not just on one side, which isn't fair.

choboii said:
I have been reading a bunch of HTC One vs S4 threads and been watching them. And I feel like everyone is making the comparisons on each stock, which makes sense. But I was wondering which is better when rooted and both having a custom rom and kernel. Since I know that having a custom rom and kernel can make the overall performance better.
For Example, people were complaining about the lag on the S4 so they switched to the One. But I feel like if those people would've have rooted it and put a custom rom or kernel, it might have helped the lag.
So which device do you guys think is better with custom rom and kernel improvements?
Which one has a bigger improvement with custom roms and kernels?
Thanks guys And if there is a thread like this comparing the roms and kernels of each device against each other, then post a link and I can ask to close this thread.
Posted this in the S4 forum as well to have opinions on both sides and not just on one side, which isn't fair.
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It's not different at alllllllllllll.
It's not allowed, and everyone here will say the HTC One.
There's no point to this, promotes arguments and trolling. Don't start it.
All your questions require knowledge and use of both phones. I know a few people have both but a lot of people here haven't spent £1000 on 2 phones, so will only own the HTC One. Therefore the S4 answers will be a load of crap

I am getting tired of reading about comparisons and threads turning into arguments because of such issues. Bottom line is, devices should be fairly compared on a stock basis and not with custom ROMs or kernels. There are benchmark tests and others available online, just use Google and you'll find everything you're looking for. They are both great devices and that competition in the latest technology, features and market price are what make the world of smartphones better, which in turn benefits us.

choboii said:
For Example, people were complaining about the lag on the S4 so they switched to the One. But I feel like if those people would've have rooted it and put a custom rom or kernel, it might have helped the lag.
So which device do you guys think is better with custom rom and kernel improvements?
Which one has a bigger improvement with custom roms and kernels?
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This is not different. Please use the search feature and ask your question in an already existing thread.
To answer your questions though, I switched from the HTC One(running TrickDroid/ARHD, Bulletproof kernel) to the Galaxy S4(running WanamLite, ktoonz kernel) and now back to the HTC One(ARHD, Beastmode kernel). The HTC One has, by far, been the better experience. It's smoother, faster, and more responsive than my S4--on top of that, I actually used the "unique" features of the One(Blinkfeed, Zoe, etc) whereas on the SGS4 in an effort to smooth it out, I turned most of it's "unique" features off. Overall, I found most of it's "unique" features to be very gimmicky.
Here's what it comes down to: Neither phone is better than the other. There is no "best" phone. The closest you can get is picking a phone that has the features YOU want and that are important to YOU.

[Q] Original Android Dev Roms stable?

Hi I know this is covered in the FAQ regarding the definition of Original Android Development but I can't find the answer to this: are "Original Android Development" roms less stable and more risky than the regular Android Development roms? Should I be expecting much more risk if I use a rom like PAC Man instead of something from the Android Development forum?

Any rom can be risky lol.
Most roms in the Origanal Dev section are build from source meaning pure android no crap over-layed(sense) You will see custom kernels there, also which are also built from source.
As long as you are flashing roms from the Sprint forums to a Sprint One you will be fine just make sure you have a nandroid backup just in case there is a problem

Stock roms are more stable for my experiences.
Sent from my HTC ONE swg

In my opinion, there is very little that is truly 'original' these days; it's like rock n roll, everything has been done at least once. But, as a rule, custom non-Sense or HTC based ROMs will typically be more cutting edge, but will also have more bugs. More stability will usually be found on stock or stock-based ROMs.

It depends on the device my cousin has the HTC One and can't boot Dirty Unicorn but I can and pacman runs smoother on his phone.
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Thanks everyone. That's what I figured - it sounds like using original roms tend to be buggier as a general rule of thumb? I like cutting edge stuff (I used to have an HTC EVO and had MIUI which was great but always had some shortcoming like no 4G).
Right now, what are considered the best roms for HTC One? I guess I'd like to know a few just very stable ROMs that I should resort if I need a stable rom and then some of the most innovative roms that are really pushing the limit with cool designs, etc.
Also, isn't it a pain in the ass that you have redownload all your apps and adjust your settings when you flash a new rom? Is there a way to just restore your apps and settings onto a new rom?

People will tell you to flash the roms yourself, and asking which roms are best is generally frowned upon. I've seen threads closed because of that question. Having said that, and hopefully not breaking any rules or stepping on any toes, it looks like a lot of people are experiencing issues with 5.5 based roms. Personally, I've been using the Bad Boyz 5.0 rom with some tweaks from omj's mod pack for the past few weeks, and have found it to be solid and bug free.