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Hi! i currently have a hero with sensehero 2.1 installed. it works fine, but are getting tired, both speakers blown and quite scratchy screen.
So what i was wondering is, is it worth the buy of a liquid e over my hero? i can get an ok deal on one in norway for 480usd$ last year i payed ~780 usd for my hero. should i save up a bit and buy a htc with non underclocked snapdragon, or the liquid? i dont mind it getting hot as some reviews say, so does my hero. But what im most worried about here is the quality of the screen, is it scratch resistant enough? and how is the speed compared to say a desire or a nexus one?
Hope someone can answer my questions and sosry if there is some bad english
Thank you!
Ole
Never used the Hero (was considering it) but I think that it is a better phone.
I have an A1 (256 megs of RAM while E has 512 megs of RAM). Mine is overclocked to 1GHz so in terms of speed, it is fast (Linpack scores of 6.x nearing 7). Even at 768MHz it was getting Linpack results in the 5.x range. There is also reason to believe that the GPU is overclocked because it gets Nenamark scores in the 16.7 fps range at 1GHz (while HTC 1GHz Snapdragon phones get it in the 10-13 range). So yes, the speed does compare to Nexus/Desire.
The phone is plasticky and creaky, doesn't look amazing or anything, but in terms of hardware, you won't get better bang for buck anywhere.
As far as scratch resistant goes, I was using without a protector for the past 2 months and there are a couple of small scratches (really not too bad. Does not affect anything on the screen). The phone does include a screen protector but it is utter ****. I could not use it. Recently I ordered a 3M protector and a scratch remover, hopefully that takes care of it.
In terms of overall screen quality:
-It is an 800x480 WVGA 3.5" screen so the it does look really good. I don't see pixels or anything.
-The multitouch works but is not great. However there is a custom kernal which does improve it (this is an MT test with the fix, the test is done in FroYo, which is somewhat usable but still lots of work needed til its perfect, but this kernal is also available for Éclair- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTBRwgFPnC8 )
-The sensitivity is not great, however there is a hack which greatly improves it.
If you are looking for something affordable yet nice, you should take a long hard look at this. If you do plan on saving up a bit and stepping up, I think the Galaxy S would be a better buy given how much better the Hummingbird processor is to Snapdragon (especially on graphics) and how nice the Super AMOLED screen is.
Wow. I didnt actually bother checking out the Samsung I9000 Galaxy S from my network supplyer here in Norway, Telenor. I just assumed it would be dirt expensive. And i found it was only 30 dollars more expensive than the acer if i lock my service plan in for another 12 months :O.
I now know its GOING TO be the samsung only downer is that its huge! but ill survive that. Now i cant wait for my paycheck.
Hey guys I just saw this
(Since I cannot post links go to BJ's website and look up "Elocity 7")
Its specs look pretty good plus it has an HDMI output and it already runs froyo. Do you guys think it would be work returning my nook color for one of these? Or do you guys think that the lack of third party support (meaning xda) means that in the long run the nook would be better than the elocity?
The reasons I was considering it was because of the tegra 2 chip, froyo, and the 1080p hdmi output(it would be nice to hook this thing up to our projector and watch movies off of it). Honestly I don't need those features but they would be nice. Thanks.
That thing is $369.99 according to Amazon.com. Also it is currently out of stock.
The NC is currently available at any Barnes and Noble at the cost of $250
tldr; NC is cheaper and available now.
The nookcolor has a higher resolution screen - something I would consider to be important.
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eggman618 said:
That thing is $369.99 according to Amazon.com. Also it is currently out of stock.
The NC is currently available at any Barnes and Noble at the cost of $250
tldr; NC is cheaper and available now.
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Well at BJ's its only 299 which isn't too much more than the Nook.
msid said:
The nookcolor has a higher resolution screen - something I would consider to be important.
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Yea I have to admit the screen on the nook is very nice... However while I do care about the screen quality I also have to take into account the rest of the features.
mytabletlife.com/2010/12/11/elocity-a7-finally-start-shipping/
I placed an order for one weeks ago from amazon. Hopefully it wont delayed any longer.
dreadlord369 said:
Well at BJ's its only 299 which isn't too much more than the Nook.
Yea I have to admit the screen on the nook is very nice... However while I do care about the screen quality I also have to take into account the rest of the features.
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While the Tegra 2 sounds nice, if the screen was on par with the NC I would flinch, but it isn't, so the "extras" cant make up the fact its not as readable as the cheaper NC Ereader. I personally have a TV with USB inputs, so HDMI out isn't the happnin feature it all cracked up to be. Once we are Froyo'd, CM6'd, and OC'd to 1.2, I think most of us will be happy as clams
That's just generally the tough call though. While the camera and HDMI are cool, they're not incredibly important. The tegra chip is huge though. If you go for the A7, you're getting a smaller battery and a way worse screen i'm sure. My thing is, I only want to do two things, play games, and read comics. Based on those two requirements alone can anyone suggest which would be better? I'm really torn on this. I think the Nook color is much better looking and the build quality is probably better, but i'm really not interested in reading ebooks at all, comics yes, books no. For me it's purely a tablet device. I know that there is a lot of progress being made on the NC...I guess what i'm asking is, can anyone confirm or deny that they feel the graphics hardware will eventually make me regret picking a NC over the A7?
For that price, you might as well just get Notion Ink's Adam tablet!
$375 for the Wifi only LCD version. Should be shipping out soon too.
Much better specs and a decent screen (10" 1024x600).
Dual Core A9 with Tegra 250, 1GB memory
I don't know about the OP, and i'm not trying to hijack their thread-just looking for similar input. I really like the Adam tablet, but I want a 7 inch tablet. So it's really between the NC and the Elocity for me. I have to decide if sacrificing build quality for a tegra is worth it.
BJs is selling it for $299:
http://www.bjs.com/webapp/wcs/store..._src=14110944&ci_sku=121648111&sc_cid=DF#more
Now, I have a little buyers remorse :T
800x480? What are they thinking, not even a contest IMO.
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800x480? What are they thinking, not even a contest IMO.
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Yeah, I thought about it. I ordered the Elocity, and then promptly attempted to cancel my order. The only category that the elocity beats the nc in my opinion is tegra, but that's because I don't care about BT, camera, or HDMI out. I prefer the build quality, size, bezel, screen, and battery on the NC. So that's the one i'm going with.
I was trying to decide on the same
I ordered the elocity:
Rationale for me is:
I own an iphone. It's biggest failing for me is the absence of flash.
I have owned but will be returning a g tablet from viewsonic that also is tegra 2 based.
The thing is fast and can easily run full screen flash video without a hiccup.
For me I want this device to be a:
internet and i mean full internet browser
an E-reader
mail and office device
and to have many apps like games news productivity....
The Nook color will not have a way of using another keyboard since no bluetooth or usb.
The processor is way underpowered for flash. Heck flash was stuttery on a galaxy tab.
As far as form factor the specs are near identical in size of A7 and nook
The single button for nook is also an issue unless u do a loto of hacking.
The A7 will have the ability to run honeycomb when it is out and so will have a longer practical lifespan.
The only things better on the nook are the screen though it is unclear yet if the elocity screen will be good or very good (videos of a similar device rebranded seemed to show good viewing angles) and 4 vs. 8 gb of storage (for me not a deal breaker with 16Gb sd cards costing 30$). now sure 800x480 is not as good a resolution, but this is a 7 not 10 inch tab so I am not sure it will make much of a difference. After all this is still better than DVD resolution so should be fine for reading and web.
As for battery life, I think the difference i s 4000 vs 3200 in favor of nook so not a huge difference real life we are looking at probably 1 hour difference, but A7 has ambient light sensor so could be better at battery saving
A7 has ability to output hdmi, so can bring hi def movies downloaded to people homes and watch on their TV
Has webcam to enable videochat
Has bluetooth for connectivity and most importantly the newes latest processor that ensures a much longer time before obsolescence.
Finally from what I read Elocity will have an open source ui which will allow people to really customize it
Yea I would say the biggest thing going for the A7 is the out of box stock froyo so it is easy to customize and things just work for it and the terga 2 is only the second most important. The Nooks processor should be able to watch hd video if it gets optimized.
but wont be able to run flash which for me is a deal breaker
for 399 would rather get ipad with 16gb bluetooth appstore bigger great screen better battery life
but no flash.....
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Yeah, I thought about it. I ordered the Elocity, and then promptly attempted to cancel my order. The only category that the elocity beats the nc in my opinion is tegra, but that's because I don't care about BT, camera, or HDMI out. I prefer the build quality, size, bezel, screen, and battery on the NC. So that's the one i'm going with.
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I agree... but BT would be the only thing I wish we had.
Having said that, I feel (IMHO) that Bluetooth is just around the corner. Someone will somehow find a way to use the Droid X drivers and get use of the SoC which presumably has bluetooth capability.
Who knows... maybe B&N might surprise us all and include it in their 2.2 update. Now wouldn't that be a nice belated christmas gift?
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but wont be able to run flash which for me is a deal breaker
for 399 would rather get ipad with 16gb bluetooth appstore bigger great screen better battery life
but no flash.....
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My nokia n900 has an A8 clocked at 600mhz (while stock) only 256 RAM, and runs flash like a champ. NC may not run it out of the box, but with 2.2 around the corner, via a custom ROM or an official update from BN, this device will run flash, and it will run it well.
update: crap, BJs already sent out my A7 even though I tried to cancel my order. Well, now I have a boxed NC and A7 for xmas, and one of them has to go back. uggghhh
Canadoc said:
I was trying to decide on the same
I ordered the elocity:
Rationale for me is:
I own an iphone. It's biggest failing for me is the absence of flash.
I have owned but will be returning a g tablet from viewsonic that also is tegra 2 based.
The thing is fast and can easily run full screen flash video without a hiccup.
For me I want this device to be a:
internet and i mean full internet browser
an E-reader
mail and office device
and to have many apps like games news productivity....
The Nook color will not have a way of using another keyboard since no bluetooth or usb.
The processor is way underpowered for flash. Heck flash was stuttery on a galaxy tab.
As far as form factor the specs are near identical in size of A7 and nook
The single button for nook is also an issue unless u do a loto of hacking.
The A7 will have the ability to run honeycomb when it is out and so will have a longer practical lifespan.
The only things better on the nook are the screen though it is unclear yet if the elocity screen will be good or very good (videos of a similar device rebranded seemed to show good viewing angles) and 4 vs. 8 gb of storage (for me not a deal breaker with 16Gb sd cards costing 30$). now sure 800x480 is not as good a resolution, but this is a 7 not 10 inch tab so I am not sure it will make much of a difference. After all this is still better than DVD resolution so should be fine for reading and web.
As for battery life, I think the difference i s 4000 vs 3200 in favor of nook so not a huge difference real life we are looking at probably 1 hour difference, but A7 has ambient light sensor so could be better at battery saving
A7 has ability to output hdmi, so can bring hi def movies downloaded to people homes and watch on their TV
Has webcam to enable videochat
Has bluetooth for connectivity and most importantly the newes latest processor that ensures a much longer time before obsolescence.
Finally from what I read Elocity will have an open source ui which will allow people to really customize it
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I hope it works out for you. Personally, after using my netbook off an on (only used away from the house) I find 1024x600 pretty small for web surfing, much less 800x480. Most phones run this resolution with a 3"-4" screen.
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I hope it works out for you. Personally, after using my netbook off an on (only used away from the house) I find 1024x600 pretty small for web surfing, much less 800x480. Most phones run this resolution with a 3"-4" screen.
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I found this little nugget on the elocity a7 website...this is in their FAQ....anyone want to take a shot at WTF they're trying to say? (or NOT saying)
"Q: If I add an emulator for Super Nintendo, is the screen capable of having multi-touch so that I can run with one hand and jump with the other?
A: Yes, you can install the Super Nintendo emulator, but some of the games may not work properly."
or how about this one?
"Q: Is the touch screen multi-touch?
A: The A7 Tablet supports Multi-Touch functions. The built-in browser and photo viewer support zooming in/out by two of your fingers. However, multi-touch functionality on many third party apps is not supported."
I think they are basically saying that it is application dependent, and not to come crying to them for support if/when third party applications don't work as expected.
just looking for some input here. what does everyone think about the pros/cons of these two tablets? after everything's all said and done, which would you rather invest in?
The nook seems to have a much better screen and a more appealing form factor. it's also $130 cheaper.
the G tablet appears to have a mediocre screen but it already has the horsepower/expandability of tablets that will cost twice as much (ie. xoom). i know the xoom will shred this thing in benchmarks, but for all intents and purposes the g tablet can handle anything software-wise that's currently available with flying colors.
i'm assuming both will have a fully functioning port of honeycomb in the near future (whether official release or custom rom) so software-wise they will probably be pretty similar.
is the tegra 2 and added expandability of the g tablet worth the extra $ and putting up with the marginal display, or is the lower cost/better build-quality of the nook worth accepting the limited hardware? am i missing something in my comparison of the two?
would love to hear from the community on this debate.
How are you planning on using it?
I went with the Nook because I like the form factor, it has a great screen, and more than enough power for what I want it for (e-reader, browser, portable multi-media, simple games, etc). Lacking a mic port and decent sound are the only two real negatives, but headphones do sound quite good.
I don't yet consider tablets to be replacements for PC's or Laptops so far as doing any heavy lifting, but the NC can probably handle the majority of business and entertainment needs for most people (minus phone features, which *may* be partially remedied is Blutooth support is worled out by the awesome XDA people working on custom ROM builds...)
ColoradoPhoney said:
How are you planning on using it?
I went with the Nook because I like the form factor, it has a great screen, and more than enough power for what I want it for (e-reader, browser, portable multi-media, simple games, etc). Lacking a mic port and decent sound are the only two real negatives, but headphones do sound quite good.
I don't yet consider tablets to be replacements for PC's or Laptops so far as doing any heavy lifting, but the NC can probably handle the majority of business and entertainment needs for most people (minus phone features, which *may* be partially remedied is Blutooth support is worled out by the awesome XDA people working on custom ROM builds...)
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good question, and probably the main factor people will use to decide between the two.
for me, i originally liked the idea of the nook because i've wanted an ereader for awhile, and plan on using it to read magazines, books etc pretty often. but i also want to use it as a multimedia device- streaming video/movies etc. i like the idea of gaming on a device that is larger than my phone. i have lots of fun playing games on my droid x (my two faves are gun bros and dungeon defenders) and the potential for using a tablet device as a killer gaming console seems to be limitless. the G tablet seems to fit the multimedia/gaming niche better, but i think it will be inferior for e-reading because of the screen. i guess my question is: does the superior screen/e-reading capability of the nook (and lower price) outweigh the untapped hardware potential and video/gaming prowess of the G tablet?
I was shopping G-Tablet and Nook as well. In the end I wanted a smaller form factor that can be easily held for a period of time for reading. I'm not a big gamer so Nook is my choice.
I think you would miss Nook's screen if you pick the G-tablet! The IPS screen is just awesome.
Did you look at Tmobile G-Slate as well?
I've owned both... And honestly its hard to compare. Main reason is the size factor. That will ultimately be the deciding factor...
Reading on a 10 inch had its benefits, as well as drawbacks. Holding the Gtab for extended amounts of time is tedious. The quality of the screen (viewing angles) really does not affect ebook reading etc. Honestly unless its laying in your lap flat, you won't notice the loss of angle.
For gaming... There is no comparison. Tegra2 @1 ghz rocks even the most graphic intensive games.
So... I'd say the following in summary=
For heavy reading and light gaming, coupled with moderate productivity and light media... Go with the NC
For light reading, heavy gaming and moderate productivity & media... Choose the Gtab.
Its really a matter of personal preference... Depending on what your ideal usage looks like.
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Bandage said:
I've owned both... And honestly its hard to compare. Main reason is the size factor. That will ultimately be the deciding factor...
Reading on a 10 inch had its benefits, as well as drawbacks. Holding the Gtab for extended amounts of time is tedious. The quality of the screen (viewing angles) really does not affect ebook reading etc. Honestly unless its laying in your lap flat, you won't notice the loss of angle.
For gaming... There is no comparison. Tegra2 @1 ghz rocks even the most graphic intensive games.
So... I'd say the following in summary=
For heavy reading and light gaming, coupled with moderate productivity and light media... Go with the NC
For light reading, heavy gaming and moderate productivity & media... Choose the Gtab.
Its really a matter of personal preference... Depending on what your ideal usage looks like.
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uggh... this sucks. i feel like i'm right in the middle of these two categories. maybe i should buy both and see which i like better...
Understandable... That's exactly what i did lol. Also have the Dell streak 7 heh.
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I'm coming off the G Tablet and still waiting for my Nook Color to come in, but I'll chime in with why I returned the Viewsonic.
Ultimately, it came down to cost and quality. There is a lot of hardware under the hood of the G Tablet, but for the $400 I paid, I regretted not just getting an iPad. It was really a build quality thing for me. I was willing to look past the horrendous viewing angles and the weird 3D effect in portrait mode, but I started getting some screen rippling, and the unit would kind of "creak" as if cheaply constructed. The rippling was so small that it didn't bother me, but it sure made me paranoid, because it showed up after just a week.
I will try to post after I've rooted my Nook and played with it a little while to give a comparison, but I'm pretty confident the screen is going to blow away the G Tablet. Probably build quality, too. I don't want it to come off as me hating on the G Tablet, because I really wanted to love it (it was a sweet cbr reader), but I couldn't risk having the thing crap out on me once the warranty ran out. For the money, if the NC dies after a year, I won't feel as duped out of my money and will still be able to replace it with whatever the new thing is.
I should also comment that I'll probably buy an iPad 2 later in the year so I have a big tablet for comics, movies and games and a smaller tablet for e-reading and light multimedia use. Because I do miss my G tablet for the multimedia uses.
cwininger said:
just looking for some input here. what does everyone think about the pros/cons of these two tablets? after everything's all said and done, which would you rather invest in?
The nook seems to have a much better screen and a more appealing form factor. it's also $130 cheaper.
the G tablet appears to have a mediocre screen but it already has the horsepower/expandability of tablets that will cost twice as much (ie. xoom). i know the xoom will shred this thing in benchmarks, but for all intents and purposes the g tablet can handle anything software-wise that's currently available with flying colors.
i'm assuming both will have a fully functioning port of honeycomb in the near future (whether official release or custom rom) so software-wise they will probably be pretty similar.
is the tegra 2 and added expandability of the g tablet worth the extra $ and putting up with the marginal display, or is the lower cost/better build-quality of the nook worth accepting the limited hardware? am i missing something in my comparison of the two?
would love to hear from the community on this debate.
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The Quadrant benchmark for the Xoom is 1826. With Honeycomb and 1.1GHz overclocked kernel, I just got 1728 running the same benchmark on the Nook Color, so i'm not sure I'd call that "shredded"?
Side by side the NC screen destroys the gtabs mediocre screen. Dell streak 7 has a crappy 800x480 resolution and also bad viewing angles.
I returned the g tablet because of the screen and weight. I could have looked past the weight or delt with it but the screen angles were so bad it was a chore to use. anything beyond black text on white was almost impossible to see unless directly in front of your eyes. I really wanted it to work too...
now that I picked up a nc and running honeycomb I'm glad I made this choice. I am also really liking the size and portability of the nc. for $250 I just dont see how you could go wrong
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ta2025 said:
The Quadrant benchmark for the Xoom is 1826. With Honeycomb and 1.1GHz overclocked kernel, I just got 1728 running the same benchmark on the Nook Color, so i'm not sure I'd call that "shredded"?
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quadrant isn't an appropriate benchmark to use when comparing these two devices. besides, when apps start coming out that take full advantage of the tegra 2 it won't even be a discussion. that's not even taking into consideration what the dev's around here will be able to get out of the xoom.
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Side by side the NC screen destroys the gtabs mediocre screen.
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Agreed. Having owned one for a week, I'd say calling the screen mediocre is waaaaay too nice though. The NC is so much better.
While the Tegra2 destroys the NC's 530, it wasn't meant for that. I'd wait for the LG G-Slate pricing, etc. The XOOM is already a fail IMO due it's pricing, data plans and crippled wifi (until someone here at XDA remedies that). If either Tablet were to appear in a WiFi only capacity that'd be sweet too.
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uggh... this sucks. i feel like i'm right in the middle of these two categories. maybe i should buy both and see which i like better...
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For me reading in portrait mode on gtablet was horrible.Was too long and the horrible viewing angles made it impossible to get proper screen without weird viewing artifacts.....returned it and got the nook.
For flash though, the gtablet ran as well as my laptop
Bandage said:
I've owned both... And honestly its hard to compare. Main reason is the size factor. That will ultimately be the deciding factor...
Reading on a 10 inch had its benefits, as well as drawbacks. Holding the Gtab for extended amounts of time is tedious. The quality of the screen (viewing angles) really does not affect ebook reading etc. Honestly unless its laying in your lap flat, you won't notice the loss of angle.
For gaming... There is no comparison. Tegra2 @1 ghz rocks even the most graphic intensive games.
So... I'd say the following in summary=
For heavy reading and light gaming, coupled with moderate productivity and light media... Go with the NC
For light reading, heavy gaming and moderate productivity & media... Choose the Gtab.
Its really a matter of personal preference... Depending on what your ideal usage looks like.
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I tend to disagree with this. Hardware is hardware, but unless there is software and a medium for the user to take advantage of the hardware it is as good as a piece of poop in your hands.
Perhaps, with better software, the GTab is a great option, but the screen is still lacking, big time.
For $249 you can NOT do better than the Nook Color. And with the 1.1gHz OC, it flies! As far as a gaming it runs everything I throw at it currently. That being said I still game more on my iPhone and iPad. Not because of the hardware but because of the software selection.
When we start seeing games like "Infinity Blade" on Android ... then I will sell my Apple products, until then I keep both.
The screen and portability won me over
I currently own an ipad and nook and did own a gtab. The screen on the gtab was what killed it for me. It was blazing fast, but get a tiny bit off center and the colors go straight to hell, a little further off center and it becomes unusable. The ipad and nook have amazing screens. I prefer the nook though for its hackability and size. Both the ipad and gtab are a bit heavy and awkward to hold for any length of time. For the money, you really can't do better than the nook right now.
OP: Just curious what you ended up doing, as I'm in a similar situation.
I want an android tablet but I'm tired of waiting for the "really good" tablets to come out. I would like to get something in the mean time until my ideal tablet is released sometime in the future.
I feel like the G tab could last me longer because it has Tegra 2 and a 10 in. screen, but the screen isn't great and is missing gps. The NC has a great screen but older slower processor and the screen is smaller. I plan on using a tablet in a variety of ways. Probably about an equal amount of reading, browsing, gaming and video watching. Another reason the NC is tempting is because it's cheaper and I'm not sure spending more on the G Tablet is necessary if I'm just going to upgrade again in the near future.
Anybody have insight on which one has better battery life?
cwininger said:
just looking for some input here. what does everyone think about the pros/cons of these two tablets? after everything's all said and done, which would you rather invest in?
The nook seems to have a much better screen and a more appealing form factor. it's also $130 cheaper.
the G tablet appears to have a mediocre screen but it already has the horsepower/expandability of tablets that will cost twice as much (ie. xoom). i know the xoom will shred this thing in benchmarks, but for all intents and purposes the g tablet can handle anything software-wise that's currently available with flying colors.
i'm assuming both will have a fully functioning port of honeycomb in the near future (whether official release or custom rom) so software-wise they will probably be pretty similar.
is the tegra 2 and added expandability of the g tablet worth the extra $ and putting up with the marginal display, or is the lower cost/better build-quality of the nook worth accepting the limited hardware? am i missing something in my comparison of the two?
would love to hear from the community on this debate.
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I own both. If I were constrained to use only one, it would be the Gtablet. Here are the reasons:
1. Froyo is not stable on the NC. Some ROMs are okay but it's not completely stable.
2. The wifi is buggy. If you haven't encountered problems yet it's because you haven't been to a site with incompatible wifi routers. When I travel, I can't afford to have a device that won't allow me to connect. Do a search and you will see all the wifi problems. Here's one recently: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=986133
3. NC is stock eclair while Gtablet is stock froyo. Makes a big difference when it comes from the manufacturer. I know there are smart XDA guys/gals hacking at making froyo work on the NC. I doubt BN will have an update to Froyo - there's no business reason for them to do it.
4. Gtablet has a microphone and camera plus bluetooth.
5. If honeycomb (and I mean if) comes to NC and Gtab, the Gtab will have it in performance.
Good points. What is the most popular rom on the Nook Color?
I think froyo may be the most popular mainly because its safe. I for one love honeycomb. Even with all its little quirks and stuff but the pros far outweigh the cons to me
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So, how does this thing compare to an iPad and iPad 2 in speed?
While the GTablet, has better specs for about $50 more... The one area Viewsonic cut corners on is the one area IMO- you shouldn't: the screen.
So the closest things are the iPad and iPad 2.
Now, I recognize, this is 50% the cost of the iPad 2. I was just wondering how it COMPARES IN SPEED to the iPad 2 or GTablet????
The closest relative is probably the original iPad. How does it compare to that? For $50 more, I could get the original iPad. I didn't know if it was worth the extra $50 or not.
Its hard to compare speeds due to them being different OSes. An iPad is smoother, but I think my Nook is more versatile.
I would put the Nook Color a bit ahead of the original iPad.
I think their processors are roughly equivalent, but the Nook Color has twice the RAM of the original iPad - 512 instead of 256MB
The iPad offers a great out-of-box experience. Its OS has hardware graphics acceleration, so it feels smoother when swiping and stuff.
The Nook gives you the ability to customize everything. And Flash. Flash will probably never come to any iPads.
All true.
The Asus Eee Pad looks promising, too. Better specs, $400. Worth $150 more, I dunno. Definitely a better deal than the iPad but cost/benefit ratio...... I dunno.
The $250 price tag (was on sale for $200 via B&N few weeks back) MORE than justifies buying the NC than the ipad, especially with the development community Android has...
sorry, I never replied to the original question...the iPad has a little smoother transitions when swiping screens etc, but IMO everything else is just as fast if not faster on the NC.
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So, how does this thing compare to an iPad and iPad 2 in speed?
While the GTablet, has better specs for about $50 more... The one area Viewsonic cut corners on is the one area IMO- you shouldn't: the screen.
So the closest things are the iPad and iPad 2.
Now, I recognize, this is 50% the cost of the iPad 2. I was just wondering how it COMPARES IN SPEED to the iPad 2 or GTablet????
The closest relative is probably the original iPad. How does it compare to that? For $50 more, I could get the original iPad. I didn't know if it was worth the extra $50 or not.
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Our familiy has an iPad, Gtablet (tnt 4.2.5) and a NC stock rom 1.1.0 rooted with Autonooter 3.0
The iPad is by far the fastest and smoothest in terms of response to scrolling, etc... No problems as long as you can live with the apps from apple. No software maintenance issues.
As OP pointed out, the Gtablet (available from $300 now) has a poor display. However if you hold the tablet at a normal viewing angle, there's no problem. Has flash, no wifi issues, runs froyo. Battery life ~8 hours.
The NC as I have it configured is good if you want a 7" device. It does have wifi issues. I have kept it at stock in order to use it as a book reader with the stock app. Speed is noticeably slower than the Gtablet.
When I am flying, I take my NC. When going to work with my backpack. I take my Gtablet.
stock rooted eclair with O/c is pretty fast. who cares about the MaxiPad?
the nook is way more versatile.
for sure swiping etc. is more smoother on ipads. ipad 2 is also faster. however having in mind form factor, price & os system i went for nook color. now, with cm7 on board i do not regret decision at all. depends really what u like
Well obviously I expected the iPad to be smoother...
Just like Android vs iOS... iOS is smoother but in all honesty- it's just an illusion of faster speed due to the transitional effects. It smooths them over verses Android clunking by- speed is the same though. (assuming hardware is the same).
I was talking about the actual speed though. Time to launch a webpage, app, menus, etc... Is the NC roughly equivalent to the iPad 1 in these areas? It appears so from the responses?
How does the NC/iPad 1 compare to the GTablet/iPad 2? Is dual core significantly faster? (I have yet to use either a dual core tablet or phone- I don't know how much benefit dual core actually is to a device like this yet- web browsing only requires a certain amount of power).
To the poster with a GTablet, it was one I was looking at. However- for $100 more the Eee Pad has better specs and an IPS display... I think it's a no-brainer to wait out the Eee Pad once I go over the $300 mark.
I had a Nook Color with customized Nookie Froyo 6.8.5. No wifi issues and overclocked 1.1Ghz. Just last weekend, I used my friends iPad2 for about an hour. The iPad2 is smooth swiping and all, but when it came down to surfing the web, it is just a bid faster than the Nook. Keep in mind that last week my Nook was still running at 800mhz. On the iPad2, I surfed my usual websites such as techbargains, slickdeals, dpreview, xda, etc. I really felt good about the Nook as it was almost as fast while surfing the net. Yes, swipping from screen to screen to find apps is fast, but in surfing the net, the iPad2 was just a tad faster than the Nook. All in all, the Nook is just awesome what it offers for $250 and you convert it to a Nookie.
Oh, also Flash is a big thing for me which runs fine on the Nook. I couldn't get onto sites such as mysoju.com on the iPad2. What a shame.
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Well obviously I expected the iPad to be smoother...
Just like Android vs iOS... iOS is smoother but in all honesty- it's just an illusion of faster speed due to the transitional effects. It smooths them over verses Android clunking by- speed is the same though. (assuming hardware is the same).
I was talking about the actual speed though. Time to launch a webpage, app, menus, etc... Is the NC roughly equivalent to the iPad 1 in these areas? It appears so from the responses?
How does the NC/iPad 1 compare to the GTablet/iPad 2? Is dual core significantly faster? (I have yet to use either a dual core tablet or phone- I don't know how much benefit dual core actually is to a device like this yet- web browsing only requires a certain amount of power).
To the poster with a GTablet, it was one I was looking at. However- for $100 more the Eee Pad has better specs and an IPS display... I think it's a no-brainer to wait out the Eee Pad once I go over the $300 mark.
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I have an iPad 1 and a Nook Color w/ CM7 (stock kernal)..although it's technically my wife's. The iPad 1 is about the same as the Nook in terms of launching apps (equivalent apps). Launching a cross word puzzle on the Nook is faster than a 1GB 3D game on the iPad for obvious reasons. Web browsing is a lot faster on the iPad as well in terms of loading pages, scrolling, zooming, etc... The iPad also does 3D rendering magnitudes better (although I think that's more of a software issue at the moment).
The iPad 1 is also a lot smoother, but it looks like you don't care about that, and I don't really either. I.e. angry birds runs smooth on the Nook Color, but when you run it side by side with the iPad same stage and launch a bird at the same time, you can easily tell the iPad runs smoother.
A lot of posters are saying the iPad 1 is slower, but I'm thinking they aren't using the latest software released in March. In terms of speed, it goes Nook Color stock < iPad 1 (older software) < Nook Color (Froyo/GB rom) < iPad 1 (iOS 4.3.1). Note that this was me manually timing everything by launching and using apps at the same time. Benchmarks might show a different story.
I've got an up-to-date iPad 1st gen (iOS v4.3.1) and a Nook Color running Phiremod 5.3.
The iPad is much faster and smoother, especially when it comes to web browsing. Skyfire on the Nook Color is painful in comparison to running on the iPad. The only speed advantage I've seen is PDFs renders faster on Android QuickOffice vs. iOS Goodreader. Apple PDF render is garbage compared to Adobe Reader on Android.
The new Opera Mobile uses the GPU for web browsing, like mobile Safari does, so it is the first web browser for Android that really competes. With that said, I like it WAY better than my wife's iPad2 for browsing thanks to a better implementation of tabs. I run CM7 with a 1.1GHz overclock.
The main limitation of the Nook Color is the GPU. The GPU is weaker than the iPad 1 or any other major mainstream tablet (Samsung Galaxy, Xoom, Transformer, etc.). You can tell when it lags on intensive 3D games.
But otherwise its an amazingly responsive device once set up properly. I think it will win in its price category for at least another 6 months or so....
i don't see the ipads as being comparable. They are a different class of "toys". The nook is just the right size for my interests, if i wanted something larger i'd prefer a laptop or at least something with a physical keyboard.
Explain this to me about performance: I can install a game like pew pew that has a ton of things whipping around the screen at what appears to be a very smooth frame rate, but then just scrolling the application listing feels like 10 fps?!
I know this isn't the latest and greatest hardware but it is 800 Mhz. 800 Mhz back in the day was more than enough for something as trivial as scrolling a list of icons. Yes this is a mobile device, but still.
I'm not into low level development, but what is the issue exactly if not hardware? Android's OS? Are the icons vector images for scalability purposes but cause slow down due to redraw or something? If so, maybe they should be rasterized first.
It just seems that even on a lower end tablet such as this, smooth scrolling should be possible in most cases. Meaning at least menu's icons. I can understand complex webpages not smooth scrolling/zooming etc (well even then, you'd think 800mhz could do a better job if things were optimized more.) but the normal interface to the OS should be smooth.
Android does not use GPU based acceleration in its phone OS. That is why iOS feels smoother, as Apple has doen that since the beginning.
To get around this you need to use apps that DO use the GPU, such as Opera for web-browsing or Launcher Pro for your app drawer.
I just tried Opera and it seems a bit smoother I guess, but nothing dramatic.
I didn't know launcher pro uses acceleration.
You'd think by now it would be standardized to use gpu accel throughout the os.
Ok launcher pro is much more smooth!!
Is there a list of apps that use hardware acceleration?
I understand that android is on numerous devices but how come a launcher or a browser can do it on various hardware but the OS itself and most apps don't?
Is google trying to make hardware acceleration part of honeycomb?
Is there initiative to get this going in some mods like cyanogen?
I think the sluggish experience turns off a lot of new users when in fact the hardware is more capable than what it seems.
What's your pros and cons of the nookcolor? Post yours here
Pros. Cons.
Nice design. No camera
Slim. processor speed
Screen quality. Needs universalsal cable
Sent from my nookColor using xda premium
No camera
No GPS
No microphone
No strong bluetooth range
A little too wide
A little heavy
Hackable
Virtually unbrickable
uSD bootable
IPS screen
Pro: Good battery life.
Pro: No locked bootloader.
Con: B&N lack of meaningful developer support.
Con: Workarounds required to get some apps to work.
Some of these Pros and Cons posted are the same thing. That's like saying, Ferrari Enzo, pros and cons. Pros: wicked fast, handles great, looks amazing. Cons: only seats two, no towing package, limited ground clearance, poor gas mileage.
If your NC had GPS, faster processor, bigger screen, camera, 3G/4G radio, long-range bluetooth and all that stuff (just coming up with low-hanging fruit of "cons"), then it would lose the awesome battery life, compact size, low price, etc. It'd be an iPad!
Pros: awesome battery life, very stable, extremely hackable, excellent community developer support, very low price, and INCLUDES uSD SLOT
Cons: flawed audio output hardware design (requires external amp), lacking support for any microphone (even external/bluetooth)
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Some of these Pros and Cons posted are the same thing. That's like saying, Ferrari Enzo, pros and cons. Pros: wicked fast, handles great, looks amazing. Cons: only seats two, no towing package, limited ground clearance, poor gas mileage.
If your NC had GPS, faster processor, bigger screen, camera, 3G/4G radio, long-range bluetooth and all that stuff (just coming up with low-hanging fruit of "cons"), then it would lose the awesome battery life, compact size, low price, etc. It'd be an iPad!
Pros: awesome battery life, very stable, extremely hackable, excellent community developer support, very low price, and INCLUDES uSD SLOT
Cons: flawed audio output hardware design (requires external amp), lacking support for any microphone (even external/bluetooth)
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Uhmm, I have an NC and not an iPad due to cost, but my coworkers have iPad 2 tabs. Battery life on those is actually amazing, so I wouldn't try to state the NC is superior to iPad on bat life. Granted, if using CM7 the "deep sleep" works better, but during actual performance of daily tasks? iPad stomps all over NC.
Why? Becuase to get the performance I demand, I have to OC to 1200Mhz and then the battery is totally Donkey!
PROS:
Amazing developer environment on XDA and CyanogenMod
It's got an IPS screen for under $200.00
Amazingly overclockable, 1200Mhz without volt mods.
Features built into device even though original vendor doesn't use or market these (namely BlueTooth).
Elegant design, used on NT as well because it's pretty fresh even today.
microSD slot that is primary boot device, enabling easy ROM replacements.
CONS:
Original vendor support tied to their own online store but lacking significant dev attraction.
BlueTooth range is much less than 10 "inches". (range does matter folks!)
Elegant case is also kinda fragile feeling, cracks abound around charging/usb port.
Touch features are not precision across the display, frequently multiple attempts required towards edge of display.
Any OC beyond 1000Mhz really drags down the battery during use. Gamers get about 2+ hours and need recharge.
512Mb RAM really limits future OS support, ICS CM9 works but you've gotta throttle RAM use by a significant amount to stay stable at this point.
Video HWA not working yet in CM9, works in CM7 but don't expect flawless 720P use on NetFlix (even using 100Mbps metro ethernet).
Pro's: Love my NC and wouldn't trade it for anything under $500 retail.
Con's: The charging solution is crap. It's like a company department designed the device and they farmed out how to power it to a bunch of temps.
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Why? Becuase to get the performance I demand, I have to OC to 1200Mhz and then the battery is totally Donkey!
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I can say with authority, you are doing it wrong. The batt on my NC, even with overclocking, blows away any iPad. But bear in mind, iPad is a bigger device and has therefore room for a bigger battery.
[*]Amazingly overclockable, 1200Mhz without volt mods
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[*]Any OC beyond 1000Mhz really drags down the battery during use. Gamers get about 2+ hours and need recharge.
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You need to adjust the voltage settings, brightness, and governor settings in order to get max battery life.
I don't know what game you are playing, but I actually watched HD movies on my NC for 10 straight hours on one plane trip. I don't play games much but I am sure HD movies require similar CPU.
from my point of view, availability of nook color itself is a pro
there are no cons. worth every penny, especially at the time it was released.
Yes I agree, the nook is a pro
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I don't know what game you are playing, but I actually watched HD movies on my NC for 10 straight hours on one plane trip. I don't play games much but I am sure HD movies require similar CPU.
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If this is correct then my own NC is the problem as I don't get anywhere that much use out of a full charge.
As for games I'm playing, currently it's Angry Bird's Space.
I've never had 10hrs screen-on straight so I can't say for sure but with deep sleep, my NC lasts 10 days and still has roughly 45% juice in the tank, with that rate, it will be 3 weeks when it's close to empty.