Most references I see to the chip in the Galaxy S for handling the Bluetooth, WiFi, and FM are listed as a broadcom. I was unable to locate a chipset on broadcoms site that lists support for Bluetooth 3.0, but I did notice nearly all of the broacom chips that support FM radio support it as RX and TX. Is the chip in the Galaxy S a broadcom, and if so has anyone found a way to enable the TX portion? It was more a curiosity question as I'm sure the TX power is low as is the sound quality, but hey if it does offer it, why not exploit it?
Maybe this has already been answered for the Samsungs and I just missed it in my searches. The searches only returned other brand/model phones.
The other question I was wondering is if the FM range is hard coded in the chip, or if it's a soft radio where the RX frequencies could be shifted to say the Weather Band in the US, or some other area near the normal FM radio range? Again, this is all more out of curiosity than anything.
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I found this one that supports BT 3.0 and still lists FM RX/TX
BCM20751 - Bluetooth® + GPS + FM Combination ('Combo') Chip Solution
Well, this is like the only thing I'm missing from my old Nokia N97.. So I would like it.
mstrandbo said:
Well, this is like the only thing I'm missing from my old Nokia N97.. So I would like it.
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Well, after looking at the Samsung source for the I9000, it appears they use the SI4709 chip for FM reception, and that chip doesn't support FM TX, just RX.
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Is it possible to use the existing hardware within the TyTNII for receiving FM radio signals? Surely it'd be a case of utilising the same hardware used for WiFi (802.11x = 2.4GHz), but at a lower frequency (FM 88.0MHz-108.0MHz)..
I was disappointed that FM radio was not an included feature of the TyTNII, however I'm happy with just about everything else about it. The only comparable phone that I was considering is the Eten X500+ glofiish which does have FM radio.
If there is already an FM radio application, please hook me up.
Regards,
Scott.
NOPE kaiser does not have fm transmitter ...
if it was simply the case of utilizing the same hardware.......then surely, every single ppc with wifi could be modded to receive fm radio signal. holy cow, you know what i realized, my laptop has wifi too! i'm sooo gonna mod it to receive fm radio
just because they use the same term "radio frequency" doesn't always mean that they're interchangeable. so let's review this... since TyTn II has WiFi radio chip is there any software to turn it into:
satellite dish receiver?
citizen band transceiver?
(hd)tv tuner?
microwave oven?
fm radio? ... maybe not
bluetooth - there's a dedicated component/module for this
GPS - there's a dedicated component/module for this
but who knows if there was a disabled chip that can potentially be activated (as long as the hardware is there and accessible), there might be possibilities
one word: SEARCH!
there is a LONG thread on this in one of the kaiser sections which has long been buried which has determined that the kaiser does not have the proper hardware to receive FM radio signals. the touch cruise can receive them IIRC but the kaiser cannot due to the lack of a needed chip.
wizzi said:
Is it possible to use the existing hardware within the TyTNII for receiving FM radio signals? Surely it'd be a case of utilising the same hardware used for WiFi (802.11x = 2.4GHz), but at a lower frequency (FM 88.0MHz-108.0MHz)..
I was disappointed that FM radio was not an included feature of the TyTNII, however I'm happy with just about everything else about it. The only comparable phone that I was considering is the Eten X500+ glofiish which does have FM radio.
If there is already an FM radio application, please hook me up.
Regards,
Scott.
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Threads like this should be closed the second they are posted. Sorry if i sound like a know it all, but i am a amateur radio operator, hence I have alo't of experience in the radio field. Using a modulated 2.4ghz transciever in impossible to re-modulate it to the am/fm bands. it just wont work.
second. you have to have a on board antenna and a tuner that is resonant on those freq's and the kaiser/tilt does not.
Third. Dutty has been tinkering on a idea of getting it to work, and following what he is thinking it might work, however the reception most likely will be limited.
Fourth. If a radio is such a big deal then buy a am/fm portable radio, or buy a sony w580i,
Fifth. SEARCH, there are plenty of threads regarding this.
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Threads like this should be closed the second they are posted. Sorry if i sound like a know it all, but i am a amateur radio operator, hence I have alo't of experience in the radio field. Using a modulated 2.4ghz transciever in impossible to re-modulate it to the am/fm bands. it just wont work.
second. you have to have a on board antenna and a tuner that is resonant on those freq's and the kaiser/tilt does not.
Third. Dutty has been tinkering on a idea of getting it to work, and following what he is thinking it might work, however the reception most likely will be limited.
Fourth. If a radio is such a big deal then buy a am/fm portable radio, or buy a sony w580i,
Fifth. SEARCH, there are plenty of threads regarding this.
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Sixth. Using wifi or data go to www.thestreamcenter.com/pda and listen to all the FM radio your heart desires
Wow! Thanks for that link.
...or get one of the many internet radio programs available (such as Resco Pocket Radio).
Somewhere in inetrnet some say that there is the hardware for FM radio and requires only an application to make it work? Fact or fantasy?
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Somewhere in inetrnet some say that there is the hardware for FM radio and requires only an application to make it work? Fact or fantasy?
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The Snapdragon chip has FM in it.
But the Liquid doesn't have FM, dunno if it's disabled or took out (hardware)
So what I read is not a fantasy, I hope someone develops a utility that allows us to use it!
I think its the bluetooth chip that have FM receiver, not the CPU.
Check this out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=608340
If Bluetooth chip is same then Liquid should have radio and since F1 has radio and F1 and Liquid hardware are pretty much the same, I think there is big possibility Liquid to have radio, which is disabled.
Also I have seen in a dump from HTC Espresso a radio application.
Look at this:
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Bluetooth/Bluetooth-RF-Silicon-and-Software-Solutions/BCM4325
I wonder then why FM radio is disabled and the bluetooth is 2.0 instead of 2.1??
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I wonder then why FM radio is disabled and the bluetooth is 2.0 instead of 2.1??
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bluetooth might be because android just started supporting bt 2.1 in eclair (who knows if updating the radio will make it work in 2.1 instead of 2.0)... fm radio who knows...
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bluetooth might be because android just started supporting bt 2.1 in eclair (who knows if updating the radio will make it work in 2.1 instead of 2.0)... fm radio who knows...
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It occurs to me that we are experiencing growth Andorid day to day, who knows if in a not too distant future we will also see an application that runs the FM receiver
Exactly, giving the limited resources Acer has to making Android phones (probably just ramping up), they decided to skip on developing software drivers for the FM radio since they figured most people will use 3G streaming. but I like FM radio since it uses way less power and for those who don't have a data plan to burn through. Hopefully someone is able to write software drivers for the FM radio.
Some notes on this subject:
1.Acer has little to nothing to do to get the FM working, it's broadcom who makes the bluetooth (and thus FM) driver. What Acer has to do is only a GUI, which isn't hard to do
2.Nexus One has the same chip (ok, not the same, but they share the same driver), and doesn't have FM enabled either, that makes me think their might be some problem somewhere. (but the previous posts stating that using FM on a recent smartphone is unusual seems like a good guess.)
3.I've seen linux FM drivers for BCM4325, in Samsung Galaxy ROM (It's the btld daemon)
The thing is that this driver is fully closed source and doesn't use the bluez stack (linux bluetooth stuff), that's perhaps the reason why Acer and Google decided not to use it.
Anyway these chips are used by N1, Samsung Galaxy (I7500), iPhone 3GS, HTC HD2, HTC Touch Pro2, well, all brand new shiny phones, so it's likely someone of these developers will get something at some point
Does have milestone same chip?
Any news on radio fm recevier on liquid??
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Does have milestone same chip?
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No, milestone have TI wl1271, we have Broadcom bcm4325
an fm radio would rock my world...any news
do you say FM radio!!!!!
If yes, is it possible somehow to enable it....because I realize games,mp3 and chatting doesn't mean entertainment for me on the road.....
I've heard bradcomm released data sheets for their liquid bluetooth chip...
any news on this topic, or fm is just too simple ?
and what about terrestrial digital radio (sorry, french..) ?
can it be supported or received at all by our phones ?
may be it need new hardware ?
well, i'm glad to wake up this thread, as i've got some good news
i'm not able to use it myself, so i'll wait for others or the release of the thing in question.
No more waiting, here it is : fm is coming to our liquids
"://android.modaco.com/content/acer-liquid-liquid-modaco-com/320945/radio-fm-for-acer-liquid-finally/"
i heared that hd7 have no f radio , and also on htc site it lists microsoft internet radio no hardware fm radio
last time I checked WP7 specs consisted of
*1 GHz ARM v7 "Cortex/Scorpion" or better processor
*256MB of RAM with at least 8GB of Flash memory
*Capacitive, 4-point multitouch screen with WVGA (800x480) resolution
*DirectX9 rendering-capable GPU
*5-megapixel camera with flash
*FM radio tuner
*Accelerometer with compass, ambient light sensor, proximity sensor and Assisted GPS
*6 dedicated hardware buttons - back, Start, search, camera, power/sleep and Volume Up and Down
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last time I checked WP7 specs consisted of
*1 GHz ARM v7 "Cortex/Scorpion" or better processor
*256MB of RAM with at least 8GB of Flash memory
*Capacitive, 4-point multitouch screen with WVGA (800x480) resolution
*DirectX9 rendering-capable GPU
*5-megapixel camera with flash
*FM radio tuner
*Accelerometer with compass, ambient light sensor, proximity sensor and Assisted GPS
*6 dedicated hardware buttons - back, Start, search, camera, power/sleep and Volume Up and Down
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Those specs look wrong. It's got a snapdragon and 576 ram.
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/hd7/specification.html
The chances of HTC NOT using the same wifi/bluetooth/fm chip they've used on their past phones this year are very slim.
Meaning, fm tuner is built in hardware wise.
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Those specs look wrong. It's got a snapdragon and 576 ram.
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/hd7/specification.html
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I think you'll find he posted the minimum specification requirements set out by Microsoft, and so no Windows Phone 7 should come without FM Radio, but what do I know - I haven't got the HD7.... yet.
So can any owners confirm if it has hardware fm radio and not just internet radio please?
The HD7 DOES have FM Radio it can be found under the Music & Video Hub
You do need the headphones pluged in though
yeah fm wont work without headphones, says
"No antenna
this phone uses your headphones as and FM radio antenna, To listen to the radio,connect your headphones."
FYI you don't need to plug in headphones to listen to the radio on loud speaker. you can also just plug in any kind of adaptor (without the headphone leads) such as a headphone splitter and it will still work.
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Those specs look wrong. It's got a snapdragon and 576 ram.
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/hd7/specification.html
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ummmmm snapdragon is a scorpion / A8 core
secondly those are MINIMUM specs, 256MB is the MINIMUM not required
thirdly, MS requires this for the Zune application. It's a common basic feature of the OS, it has to have an FM radio in it.
Can you use a stereo bluetooth headset with the FM receiver?
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Can you use a stereo bluetooth headset with the FM receiver?
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Great question - just tried and No, you need to have 'something' plugged into the headphone jack so that the phone thinks there is a cord to use as an antenna.
does mi 410 has a fm transmitter .... as i cannot find abouts it chip ....... also is their any software for it .. i couldnot find any soft in the market
* i read somewhere that droid supports fm transmission *
Sent from my CSL-MI410
wat i am talking abt is like in the phones like nokia n8
Sent from my CSL-MI410
if you mean fm radio, yes, it has a fm radio.
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if you mean fm radio, yes, it has a fm radio.
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He mean FM radio transmitter, not receiver. Which you can transmit your music being played trough FM radio transmitter and received by any other device with FM radio receiver (usually using FM radio in the car).
actually fm transmitter & receiver are on same chip nothing work as a single component..
the thing is that we don't have fm transmission app.
i would search for a third party one & let you guys know if a found one..
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actually fm transmitter & receiver are on same chip nothing work as a single component..
the thing is that we don't have fm transmission app.
i would search for a third party one & let you guys know if a found one..
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is it? that would be very nice if we get a third party application
Its not possible by an app. Coz. Its not coded into android system libraries & not possible to design a specific for different model as they have different antennas of soc chip
nitindeck said:
actually fm transmitter & receiver are on same chip nothing work as a single component..
the thing is that we don't have fm transmission app.
i would search for a third party one & let you guys know if a found one..
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Are you sure that we have FM transceiver in our device? And in the same chip? It's great if we have it, since their technology is quite big different, but very possible to integrated in one chip.
I interested, may be you already knew what chip is it (chip type)? Maybe I can use it in my hardware project. Thanks.
My Spirit FM app is reported to be at least partly working on X6 u9000 now
See this for some details: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19588094&postcount=1648
Latest test package is here: http://www.mediafire.com/file/5381ub38p0a1uym/Spirit_FM_Radio_v111122.apk .
I don't think I can even get one of these phones here in Canada. Maybe I
should ask Huawei to send me one...
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I think the FM is in the main Qualcomm SOC (chip). It's almost impossible to find any information on this chip, except for the code in the Qualcomm Code Aurora FM app.
That code DOES support transmit, but I have no idea if the X6 hardware can also handle transmit.
Among the many, many hundreds (or thousands?) of Android phones out there, only a few support FM transmit in the hardware. AFAIK this is only a few made by Sharp for Japan domestic use.
So I'm EXTREMELY pessimistic that this phone could support FM transmit. I think it makes FCC etc certification more expensive and it takes longer. But who knows...
AFAICT only this phone and the X5 use this Qualcomm Tavarua FM.
@mike
i just downloaded ur sprit fm radio .... can u tell me how to config it ¿
frm an punjabi mi 410
Hello my friends!
I have searched a lot, but it seems that getting the FM receiver to work on our Snapdragon S4 devices will not happen, at least in the near future.
Anyone has any different (and encouraging) info here?
Does Microsoft give out resources that could make this possible by a dev, or they pretend it does not exist?
Thanx in advance.
Konstantinos
There are no APIs for it. So currently Developers can't use the feature in Apps. At the moment we don't even know if all the hardware required is even inside the phones. The Snapdragon SoC does support it but that is not all the hardware that is necessary.
Let's pretend it doesn't exist. However over at the TechMeShow I was making an FM Transmitter and now uses my Bluetooth module for "FM Radio" streaming. It's hardware, not just Software.