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Hi all,
Today is the time to depart the formums as an existing Kaiser owner and help out only as a once windows owned device person
I've not contributed THAT much - atleast not using this name but I had another and was forced to change it due to a "run in" with a moderator on here who got kicked out soon after - this was a while ago though so it's been an interesting ride.
So not much of a story - Been a windows device owner since the first Ipaq in B&w screen and slowly moved onto the windows phones as soon as they came out (starting with the XDA). While my main job revolves around business intelligence, I still have a "side job" in repairing phones/electronics and the company I do this for gives me 15% on products hence changing my phone everytime a new one comes out!
I stop at the kaiser purely for a handful of reasons. While the bluetooth issue was somewhat sorted by reg changes, it still was not enough and it was heavily impacting my main job in where consultants require to be mobile on the phone wherever I go. In the car, it became dangerous at high-speeds where I was having to undock the phone and hold it - something now illegal here.
The other reason was purely down to the whole HTC Suit going on and rumours (not one to listen mind you) about HTC stopping production on the kaiser until this blows over.
I thought, while the price is high, get rid of it, migrate to something else and see what the future holds!
What did I get?
Well, last sunday, I was given two N95's to fix, one hardware, one software. The software was easy enough, hardware was interesting as it was my first N95 to rip open to its bare bone (liquid damaged).
Once I got it working, I started to play around with it and before handing it back to the customer, I have to ensure EVERYTHING works - minimum 48 hour testing.
I instantly decided I would want this IF I did not have the Kaiser...a few days later, I had a call in the car and again, could barely hear the person... I decided to use the customer's N95 and it was perfect.
I decided then to buy one and get rid of the Kaiser.
Thats pretty much it! I now have a N95 Nokia in Black (8GB version), loaded what I would use on the kaiser and so far, not had to pick up the kaiser once in 2 days.
Differences?
The biggest is the touch screen... I sometimes get frustrated I cant just select text and have to use keys to do it...something I'll get used to.
The other biggest is the keyboard. I used to be a typical txt'r on the nokia phones when I was a kid and thought it would be fine now - WRONG!
I would say it took me 3 times longer to txt then it would have on the kaiser!
Other than that, phyically, the screen is the same size (2.6") but much sharper and clearer on the N95 (I think the N95 has a much better resolution). And then theres the weight, while size doesnt make that much of a comparison, the weight is very noticable.
Software:
Ok, again biggest is windows vs symbian but speed-wise, no difference at all. It's a bit "noddy" in symbian to have everything in icons almost to spoonfeed even those who know the system but I can live with it.
Bluetooth is excellent, satnav is also good though it cannot handle TomTom unless used with an external reciever (something apparently waiting to be fixed)
Alarms work and is not limited to 3 like Windows. Small things like SMS on rejecting a call, having a delivery reports folder for SMS and so on is default on the N95, something windows still cant seem to grasp (despite numerous requests).
At the same time, you dont have the luxury of the proper Office, you have to go quite deep into symbian to change a theme, windows you dont, then theres the wonderful scrollwheel, something missing in the N95.
Overall, they both are excellent, what windows missed out, symbian got and viceversa. For me, I require bluetooth to work properly and not sound like I'm listening through a glasswindow. As long as this is the case, and GPS/satnav works... I'm happy. The n95 has a lot more features - one of the biggest being the accelometer which is like a motion detector - I can make my phone go landscape simply by moving the phone that way or I could navigate through menus simply by moving the phone in the direction I want to go in.
It's a gimmic but still, its there and its for the consumer to use .. or not to.
Hope this isnt too long and boring you but I didnt want to be like the typical leaver on the forum to say kaiser is crap, nokia is better because on the whole, I still would prefer the windows one if they fixed the issues, but now also if they made it ligher and more ergonomic (not that it already is!)
Based on the closing paragraph above, don't bother replying if all you're going to say kaiser is the best blah blah blah, though constructive comments are also welcome.
WIll pop in now and again and I think I have a few donations to make too!
(I could type the above on the kaiser, but I'll be damned if I have to type that on a normal N95 keypad...another user for the kaiser keyboard )
Yeah. Sorry to say, mine's hitting the road as well, but I'm not a smartphone kind of guy, i need a full-blown mobile office. so I got an E90 instead. Guess Nokia's getting the better side of things, eh?
Im the same mate ! Ive gone back to the Treo 750 and if not anything else , backto a rock solid phone thats works well all the time.
Just carried out HSPDA update on it and the speeds on net is fine . Email collection is spot on .
And on going back ive realised that i should never have jumped from it in the first place .
Still a HTC handset , but one thats working 100% for me
Can't comment on Symbian - never tried it. I used to use Palm OS and switched to PPC a few years ago.
Had a Dell X50v with VGA screen. Going to the Tilt/Kaiser was a step way down on screen resolution, but many steps up in other ways (like it fits better in my pocket and I don't have to carry a separate phone anymore, GPS, HSPDPA, nice keyboard, up to 32 gb memory card, lots of custom roms, ect...).
If I could do it over I would stick with the Tilt. Treo 750 lacks too many features (screen size, screen resolution, keyboard, GPS and doesn't sit nicely on a table for reading, 2GB max storage card). I want a Pocket PC 1st and a phone 2nd. But I'm not a business user. I could care less about talking in the car. Proven dangerous anyway, even when hands free, and those bluetooth headsets make you look like a cyborg.
I just came to the Kaiser from the S620. The Kaiser is really lacking in usability while "on the go". It was much easier to navigate the S620 I could respond to a text message with barley a glance at the phone. The S620 was also faster for most common tasks like making a phone call replying to an email etc... I find that I really like the kaiser as a data device and am very happy with it in that capacity. Surfing the web with opera mini is great much better experience than O-Mini on the S620 The keyboard is nice if you are using it with 2 hands the extra flexibility of WM6 on the PPC vs WM on the SmartPhone is also nice.
I can appreciate why you are peeved with the kaiser, I would be too if I was trying to use it as an all features phone.
However I do not, and I always view windows devices as a PDA with a phone built in, or as an add on in the software. Therefore it will never out perform or match a well specified Nokia mobile phone for example.
My solution is this:
Run the Kaiser as a device, for email internet and controlling your diary, schedule and files etc. Run it on a data only tariff, for example for £15 a month at the moment with vodafone uk you can get 1GB a month.
Then run a well equipped Nokia mobile phone as your phone, you get great call quality, good handsfree support when in the car as well as being able to leave the Kaiser at home if you do not want emails etc.
I do this, I run a Kaiser on data only, it does my gmail via imap as well as outlook email and internet plus in control my diary on it.
I then run an Nokia E65 which does my phone, test messaging etc etc etc. I also run my gmail via the Symbian onboard email client which means if I am out I can check headers and download an email if I need to read it.
I think for the small extra monthly outlay the kaiser is a fantastic device for what its designed for and I am not going to blether on about that.
Food for thought.
Tom
Tom Williams said:
My solution is this:
Run the Kaiser as a device, for email internet and controlling your diary, schedule and files etc. Run it on a data only tariff, for example for £15 a month at the moment with vodafone uk you can get 1GB a month.
Then run a well equipped Nokia mobile phone as your phone, you get great call quality, good handsfree support when in the car as well as being able to leave the Kaiser at home if you do not want emails etc.
I do this, I run a Kaiser on data only, it does my gmail via imap as well as outlook email and internet plus in control my diary on it.
I then run an Nokia E65 which does my phone, test messaging etc etc etc. I also run my gmail via the Symbian onboard email client which means if I am out I can check headers and download an email if I need to read it.
Tom
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Or you could just get a laptop with a built-in 3g card from whatever provider you want. I heard they have pretty nice qwerty keyboards on those. If that's too expensive, there's always an EEE PC + USB card, especially since those cards are usually free if you sign a contract.
Then you could drop the smartphone and just get your choice of free crappy samsung/motorola flip phone for phone and text.
The point of these devices is convergence. To re-split them is to go backwards in time.
Hmm.. if HTC doesn't fix this soon, I'll get the Meizu M8 (IF it will be released that is..).
Finally a sleek WM phone, 16 million colors baby!
akash_84 said:
Hi all,
Other than that, phyically, the screen is the same size (2.6") but much sharper and clearer on the N95 (I think the N95 has a much better resolution). And then theres the weight, while size doesnt make that much of a comparison, the weight is very noticable.
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I appreciate your story, but just a little note - the N95 has the same 320x240 screen resolution as the Kaiser, and the Kaiser is 2.8 inches of course (same as the latest N95 of course)
I wish the kaiser had a better camera, and proper graphics acceleration, (and that accelerometer seems more and more useful each day) but mostly I appreciate the N95 is more of a phone than the Kaiser.
After years of WM however I find other phones (and especially the N95) completely unintuitive, and cant really see myself switching away from the rich ecosystem soon.
Surur
meorah said:
The point of these devices is convergence. To re-split them is to go backwards in time.
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Couldnt have said THAT better myself.
who in their right mind would carry loads devices for music, taking pictures, sat nav, a mobile, a pmp, thats just stupid
I'm sorry that the Kaiser didn't work out for you, but each person is an individual, and what works best for me, may not be good for you. That's why we have hundreds of models of phones available. Personally I love my Kaiser, and I think its far better than my old PDA phone, the HP iPAQ hw6515. The RF reception is just as good as a good regular handset, not like the iPAQ which was only good in urban areas where you were surrounded by plenty of towers. I used to keep a Motorola A845 and a V551 in my truck and when in rural areas I'd have to take my SIM out of the iPAQ and put it into another phone to be able to make a clear call. I haven't had to switch my SIM card once since I bought my Tilt.
Sorry this hasn't worked out for you, and I wish you luck in finding the perfect device for your needs.
-Jay
That was an interesting read. It's a shame that the kaiser isn't all everyone wants it to be. I like my kaiser, sometimes I love it other times I find it incredibly frustrating. For example when sitting in my living room playing around with it, it's great.
But I was out and about over the weekend, standing on a very cold football touchline texting the results to my wife. The kaiser was running like a dog. Sloooowwww to update while entering contacts into the search as you type 'To:' field. Then the text failed to send (despite a full signal). I really started to think about other options such as the N95 or SE P1i - you know, devices that just WORK!
But last night I was traveling on a coach to the Wales v Normay match and decided to play with my google maps and built in GPS on the Kaiser and I fell in love with it again. I arrived at the game and shot some images on the camera and blogged to through Shozu. It all worked well. I then turned to Opera Mini to check the England v Switzerland scores and the thing froze on me. SR later and I couldn't get a data connection on T-Mobile despite my sons' N73 having a full signal and gprs connection. (also on T-Mobile)
I know I am going to have a love/hate relationship with this phone, but hey! Thats Windows Mobile.
Now....... how much is that P1i on Expansys....Hmmm £284
Haven't bitten the bullet yet but seriously considering E-Ten X650. Won't satisfy those wanting a fast data connection or a keyboard, but it does have an FM Radio and VGA screen. My biggesst concern is smaller RAM. Anyway, I am looking to get something a bit smaller with better video and it seems like it will fit the bill. Before the driver thing came up, I was thinking of going to the Touch Cruise, as I don't use the keyboard all that much but I since have vowed to never again buy an HTC device. I think the lack of drivers may have been excusable if handled properly, but the disrespect they have shown their customers and this community is in my opinion deplorable.
Now if we could just get E-Ten devices into this forum. Maybe they would appreciate the awesome support this community provides.
I have to say, I'm surprised that the E-Ten devices don't get much credit around here. I've never used one (maybe that's why I'm surprised!) but on paper it seems like devices like the M800 have the Kaiser pretty much licked. I mean, not only do they appear to have the drivers and performance, but VGA too? Okay, they don't look quite so nice, and maybe the button arrangements aren't so good, but surely they're Kaiser killers apart from that?
I kind of got my Tytn II by accident, and stumbled into the world of Windows Mobile, and on the whole I'm happy with it - but if I was putting serious research into it now I'd definitely have to take a serious look at e-ten.
I left, then came back at the refurb price.
I love the phone, but not worth $400....I'll take $150 tho
Note: for anyone considering E-ten. don't get it. First and foremost, build quality sucks. and it's... I don't even want to go there.
Hey im thinking of leaving the kaiser 2 can any one sugest a few devices that might make a good replacment? checked out the P1i metioned above really im thinking iphone after they give it 3g but will it have hsdpa? xda had to unlock it on the kaiser didnt they?
there may be hope yet:
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7085.html
I put my Tilt on the shelf for now and picked up a Blackjack II. It works for now, but I still visit the forums hoping for a fix. I am kicking myself for selling the 8525. That thing was really running great with the latest cooked ROM's.
Dave
very interesting comments, I was half expecting immature comments about my own thoughts on why I was leaving windows/kaiser but these were very good constructive comments
So I've been using the N95 for almost a week now.
I've still not had to use the Kaiser once though I have kept it at arms reach just incase.
The only time I used it was for TomTom until I get my Garmin software for the N95.
What do I think so far?
Well after a week of intensive use... I do really prefer it to the Kaiser. Yes I still miss the keyboard which still takes 3 times longer to type an SMS compared to an N95 and I miss the touch-screen time2time but aside from that, I've got used to it and it does everything I need to.
For those who considered the Ericsson P series... I used to be a P series fan a while back having owned a P800, P900, and a P910. I was not however impressed with the P1 at all and found it more of a chore to use than anything.
But each to their own- I've just gone of the UIQ symbian software yet I still like the Nokia s60 symbian software.
If anyone wants more information about the N95, Kaiser or any other phone that exists - do let me know and I can try and answer them.
I work part-time as ahobby in a phone repair place so I get a chance to mess around with a lot of the units!
It’s been a bitter sweet journey for me and my tilt over the last year. We've been through many different ROMs many different Mods, and many different apps. We've spent hundreds of hours on this board searching for the newest and greatest tricks a tools we've even spent some times actually being productive. But 2 weeks ago we went our separate ways. In a spat of extreme frustration I renewed my contract with ma bell and enslaved myself to the blue and orange for another 2 years and purchased an iPhone.
While my Tilt could do just about anything I wanted it to do it could do none of it well or consistently. My #1 biggest frustration with the Tilt which ended up being the nail in the coffin was how windows mobile dealt with networking. It never worked reliably moving form edge to wifi and back was painful with apps needing to be restarted an occasionally the phone needing rebooted. Outlook would stop syncing with exchange for days at a time then after a reboot everything would be fine. It was never as simple as pick up the phone and surf the web or pick up the phone and check your email. A very close second is SPEED I had dumb phones 10 years ago that i could pick up and make a call with quicker than the tilt. The windows mobile interface is just not designed for hand held use. Even with the stylus it is extremely frustrating to navigate.
The apps I used most on the Tilt were as follows:
1. Push Exchange/Outlook for Calendar email and contacts <-- This is a must for any device that i will have now or in the future.
2. Beyond Pod for Podcasts <-- I have a long commute and podcasts are a godsend.
3. Palringo <---wonderful app but could not leave it open because of the battery drain
4. Kinoma Freeplay <-- the best media player for WINMO hands down they got a lot of stuff right I was all set to purchase the full version when 3g came to our area but still no 3G an now no Tilt
5. Windows remote desktop client <--- very handy worked well even over edge
6. Opera Mini <-- excellent browser especially for edge i dont thing there is anything that can beat it on edge. I would love to have seen a native version of opera mini because the JVM's (I tried them all) for WM suck I hate to open an application just to open an application yea there were some tricks and shortcuts but nothing completely seamless.
7. Gremote<-- excellent for controlling an HTPC or from the couch. This app paired with a capacitive touch screen would be amazing. Kudos to the author on this simple elegant app.
8. The Phone <-- The tilt was not a good phone. making a phone call to someone not in your address book was extremely painful however if the person is in your address book the smart dialer worked very well. I went through multiple dialer on multiple roms none of them worked well
Apps I used occasionally
1. ICS for tethering via usb <--- Great when it works active sync must be installed on the computer that you want to tether (for usb atleast).
2. WMwifirouter -- for when ICS failed <--- Must be plugged into the wall this program drains the battery faster than anything I have ever seen however it works very well
3. kevtris & Bubble Breaker <-- good to pass the time
4. Alarm clock <--- works as advertised
Now on to the iPhone. I have not Jail broken the iPhone yet. I'm not sure that I need to.
I'll start out with what I don't like
1. No background tasks <-- this reminds me of the days with my Palm IIIc
2. Running in the back ground is key to any instant messenger app so using Palringo on the iPhone is almost worthless
3. most apps do not exit gracefully or save state when you exit especially when you exit unexpectedly like when answering a call.
4. I hate the slide to unlock. You’re not going to accidentally dial someone with a capacitive screen when it’s in your pocket. It’s an unnecessary extra step
5. Lack of configuration options <-- I never thought I’d say this but this might be a blessing in disguise.
6. Lack of physical keyboard. It’s by far the best onscreen keyboard I’ve ever used but still not as good as the worst physical keyboard I have ever used.
7. Lack of a user exposed file I like to know where my files are and how to get to them. This hasn’t been a problem so far but I would feel better being able to browse a file system
That's really about all that I don't like about the iPhone here is what I like
1. Speed Speed Speed compared to my Tilt this thing is fast opening and closing most apps take about a second to open compared to 3 to 10 on my tilt depending on which app I open.
2. The display and capacitive touch screen together are both beautiful and extremely responsive
3. Visual Voice mail <-- love it I tried a bunch of visual voicemail apps for the tilt none worked as well as this. not making a call to check voice mail is great
4. The dialer <-- Its simple and it works when I dial a phone number all 10 digits show up as opposed to the tilt where I don’t think I ever dialed a 10 digit number correctly on the first try. I do miss the smart dialing from the tile though.
5. Networking <-- Other than problems with a hidden SSID's networking is smooth and transparent never had a problem switching from wifi to edge leaving WIFI on all day does not kill the battery haven’t had a problem with one app being able to access the internet while another cant
6. Battery <--- I can get through the whole day with a single charge on my iPhone I've even watched a half hour of streaming video over wifi at the end of the day before i was warned about a low battery. On my tilt if I used wifi or played back any kind of media or had Palringo open I needed to charge my Tilt before I got home in the evening.
I have yet to sync the phone with iTunes I haven't really found a need to yet. Although i probably will soon because there is a firmware update available
The apps I use
1. RSS Player <-- Great for downloading podcasts I can’t really compare it to how iTunes handles podcasts… I haven’t figured out how the iPod app handles audio playback especially in cases when you get a phone call while playing something. I will assume that the Apple apps have the power to run in the background
2. Orb Live <--- the 9.99 app was worth every penny it’s a sling box killer in I have access to my entire music collection my cable tv and recorded programs it works great and the video play back is great on the iPhone's screen
3. RDP lite <--- Simple RDP client it works well I am not limited to 640x480 as on the tilt it works more like the WM version of the Citrix Client
4. Stanza<--- I like ebooks I can read ebooks with this I actually prefer MS reader on the WM platform I have a trusty old Axim X5 with PPC 2002 on which I do a lot of reading at night. I can’t imagine buying a kindle and not being able to read in the dark on a side note the X5 has great rubber grips on the side and the buttons are in just the right place for page turns. you can probably pick one of these up for 10 bucks on eBay and have a great ebook reader for your night stand. While legitimate books are harder to find for MS reader most publishers produce versions of their books in the .lit format they are usually more expensive than kindle books but you'd have to buy a lot of books to make up for the price of the kindle.
I’ve spent hours on these forums tweaking and tinkering with my Tilt It was fun, I learned a lot but now I am done. Anybody else make the switch? I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on what you used on WM that you don’t have on the iPhone or what you have on the iPhone that you didn’t have on WM.
I might make the same move someday. I'm really on the fence as to whether I want to give WM another chance and get the Touch Pro 2, or just bail for the iPhone's snappy OS (background apps and openness be damned).
I can't stand how bad the Tilt is (and, I assume WM6 in general) at moving between WiFi and cellular data. I have to forcefully close Outlook since it always wants to stick to whichever method it first used. Does it do that for everyone, or just because I'm using IMAP?
It's going to be a tough choice this fall between the Touch Pro 2 and, presumably, an updated iPhone. I think I'm just very soured on WM. The resolution of the Pro2 and the keyboard have huge appeal to me. If Apple ups the resolution, I think I'll be sold on them, since their touchscreen is a lot more accurate for typing the I had even though possible.
I'm getting ready to ditch the Tilt as well. Too slow, hesitant, and mostly Windows related problems. Had to do a hard-reset which didn't work as the keys were frozen. Ended up flashing another ROM once I got past the Serial port in the Red-Green-White windows and it said USB.
I cannot believe even Microsoft has no news group on their Windows Mobile software. Probably would scare other manufacturers off if they did. Even the buggy ActiveSync as well.
I had a couple of Nokias with Symbian OS and they ran fine. Never hesitated at all or froze requiring a reset. And their volume was LOUD compared to the HTC.
The Tilt is a gadget boy's toy, but it really is buggy.
Maybe the Nokia N96 next. They offered on their website a trade-in of $84 for the old Tilt.
Mack
The network issues were the nail in the coffin for me. the speed problems and quick battery drain were a close second. So far every time I open up Safari my web pages load no pop ups telling me how its now trying to "dial" the network the seamless transition between wifi and GPRS lets me use the device and not think about which network I'm on. With the Tilt if I left the wifi on battery was dead by noon and I always had to manually put my Tilt to sleep because there was always some app that would keep it awake with the back light burning draining my battery.
This is great, 3 people with a total of 46 posts coming on the Kaiser forum to tell us how much they hate the Kaiser and love the iPhone,I personally could care less what you think and don't want to hear it.
We can't say goodbye if you don't actually LEAVE ................. Bye , farewell, au revoir, have you left yet ?
Just so you know where to go, here are a bunch of other people enjoying their new phone
http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=245
OK everyone, I have had both the tilt and Iphone. I have had my tilt since the begining and I have had a blast tweaking it into my personal reflection of my persona. i had an opportunity to get an Iphone through my work and i almost broke it with frustration. not only that it ask for $40 to connect and have internest access but I can't find my files anywhere where it is stored. I am a heavy Excel user and I had trouble with opening spreadsheets on outlook atachments. It took me a long time just to text a simple sentence since i have fat fingers. My tilt on the otherhand, I use both of my thumbs for texting and composing emails through outlook and it just boggles me that the iphone can be used by busy professionals. I still enjoy my tilt everyday. My favorite application is SLingbox, Avantgo, Tomtom, and about 50 games stored in my Micro 16g card. I have 18 of my favorite DVD movies stored and if you hook it up in your car through the headphone jack, you can watch and entertain your children on long trips. I love the tilt until some other HTC device replaces it.
You'll likely be back
I left my tilt...wanted something more finger-friendly, with a more touch-responsive (I.E. capacitive) screen. I opted for the Tmobile G1 using Android. The phone is gorgeous, the widescreen fabulous, trackball surprisingly useful, and the OS beautiful. I was blown away....and then reality set in.
The G1 is nearly useless without an internet connection, and I don't use a data plan, just wifi. The Android OS is indeed lovely, but there are only a handful of really useful programs. The tie-in with Google is worse than anything Microsoft ever crammed down your throat. 75% of video formats just don't work. I guess the bottom line is: crude. The applications are crude, the OS lacks so much as a file manager (tho 3rd party ones are available), and if you want to do anything vaguely resembling work, you are in the WRONG place.
Like a beautiful woman who's too dumb to use a toilet.
The G1 is up on ebay, and a new Tilt will be mailed to me tomorrow.
Hello Tilt
I wanted to get a iPhone and found some fundamental flaws. For a start, do you know that you can't do something as simple as "Cut & Paste"?
No removable battery. Try go on a trip for >5 hours and you know what you miss.
... a lot more.....
so, I bought myself a Tilt.
Hehehehe, any of you TyTN II/Tilt haters can send me your phones. I will gladly ship you a self addressed stamped BOX to dump your miserable horrible phone into, I will give it a proper pyrotechnic destruction (just trust me on that).
PM me or post here if you want a box sent to you for disposal of your terrible miserable lousy TyTN II/Tilt.
*grins*
I understand the fustration, my TyTNII have a love hate relationship, when it is running well I love it, even though the Touch Pro is out I won't upgrade. When it is slow and unresponsive I've looked at other phones and nothing does what this phone can do for the price.
I know people with Iphones and some are happy others are fustrated so YMMV.
I suggest jailbreaking and get an app from cydia called backgrounder it allows apps to run in the background which I think will be a solution to you IM apps!!
lol
denco7 said:
This is great, 3 people with a total of 46 posts coming on the Kaiser forum to tell us how much they hate the Kaiser and love the iPhone,I personally could care less what you think and don't what to hear it.
We can't say goodbye if you don't actually LEAVE ................. Bye , farewell, au revoir, have you left yet ?
Just so you know where to go, here are a bunch of other people enjoying their new phone
http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=245
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best post of the century?
Awww... the link actually worked
Denko7,
I was truly expecting to get rickrolled when I clicked on your link, only to find that i was inundated with actual Iphone stuff. For those of you who are confused about rickrolling someone (or a forum) just click the below link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickrolling
replacement of Kaiser
i don't feel....there is any phone on the market now that makes me wants to makes a jump from kaiser,
touch pro.....nah...
touchHD...tsk...still not good enough, sure will misss the keyboard
X1...makes me wanna laugh at Sony ericsson
coming:
N97...symbian platform still lack the variety compare to winmo
touchpro2...yawn!! (just a quick make up over TP1)
OmniaHD...maybe if they include hardware keyboard i'll think over
seems to me no one cares to just make an all rounder(with useability and reliability in mind) that dominates the market...
they just keep on producing tons of new models and incorporating flaws in them intentionally and kinda just to force the consumer into it
and people yelling "yay, consumers right"
denco7 said:
This is great, 3 people with a total of 46 posts coming on the Kaiser forum to tell us how much they hate the Kaiser and love the iPhone,I personally could care less what you think and don't want to hear it.
We can't say goodbye if you don't actually LEAVE ................. Bye , farewell, au revoir, have you left yet ?
Just so you know where to go, here are a bunch of other people enjoying their new phone
http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=245
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Amen. I'm willing to hear negative opinions from someone who made an effort to use their phone. Not from someone who never tried to do anything with it
I'm as picky as they come, and I'm happy with my tilt. It takes some effort, but the roms that are out there now are ready to go after a flash. I'm waiting for a MUCH better phone before I leap. And honestly, my tilt will go to another family member.
PS: Once that guy gets his Iphone, we should totally try to MMS him..... ;-)
I like the Tilt but...
.. I didn't foresee having to spend so much time tweaking and fixing it. What's more, the jog wheel stopped functioning in 9 months (and I am a REAL careful user, didn't drop it even once), the screen stopped responding 3 months later, and oh, Activesync has been ruining my contacts and schedules databases regularly to the point I simply stopped sync'ing, which is a pity.
I want a smart phone for productivity. That's the bottom line. While I enjoy tinkering around with it, being a software engineer myself, I'd rather not have to spend quite so much time on dealing with phone or WM's issues.
My lowly Nokia 7110 allowed me to be far more productive.
WMNovice said:
.. I didn't foresee having to spend so much time tweaking and fixing it. What's more, the jog wheel stopped functioning in 9 months (and I am a REAL careful user, didn't drop it even once), the screen stopped responding 3 months later, and oh, Activesync has been ruining my contacts and schedules databases regularly to the point I simply stopped sync'ing, which is a pity.
I want a smart phone for productivity. That's the bottom line. While I enjoy tinkering around with it, being a software engineer myself, I'd rather not have to spend quite so much time on dealing with phone or WM's issues.
My lowly Nokia 7110 allowed me to be far more productive.
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I hate to tell you this, but the problems you describe above are due to user error... and probably it is the fact you are a software engineer in a world OTHER THAN Windows Mobile.
However, your comments about the phone being for productivitiy... you're right on! I don't care how perfect something is, if it doesn't work for _ME_, I'm not going to keep working it!
For people who enjoy tinkering
I enjoy tinkering with software as much as anyone else. But not on something as vital for business as a smart phone. And the problems I've described are not due to user error, but to a poorly designed and counter-intuitive Windows Mobile OS.
And clearly, WM-based phones, HTC or otherwise, have a lot of issues that serious users and seekers of productivity should be concerned about.
Try using Active Sync on WM 6.0 sensibly, for one. If you're not careful, your entire database of contacts and calendars can be wiped out by this treacherous piece of junk that goes under the name of software.
For those of you who spend an inordinate amount of time installing the latest ROM and checking out the latest "freeware", think about it: Is it worth spending so much time on a phone that could have been used productively elsewhere?
WMNovice said:
I enjoy tinkering with software as much as anyone else. But not on something as vital for business as a smart phone. And the problems I've described are not due to user error, but to a poorly designed and counter-intuitive Windows Mobile OS.
And clearly, WM-based phones, HTC or otherwise, have a lot of issues that serious users and seekers of productivity should be concerned about.
Try using Active Sync on WM 6.0 sensibly, for one. If you're not careful, your entire database of contacts and calendars can be wiped out by this treacherous piece of junk that goes under the name of software.
For those of you who spend an inordinate amount of time installing the latest ROM and checking out the latest "freeware", think about it: Is it worth spending so much time on a phone that could have been used productively elsewhere?
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HEhehehe, maybe the 'productivity' is entertainment in making something work? I for one, spent 60 minutes downloading (meaning, I spent 10 seconds clicking 'Download' and picking where to put it, then 59 minutes doing other things till it popped up saying it was done), then about 5 minutes flashing. Then, about 10 minutes putting my SIM back in, re-entering data connection stuff, and re-syncing my contacts. that was it, and I was up and running with a "for me" bug free PDA v17 ROM...
Inordinate is a rather subjective term... inordinate for my grandfather is picking the phone up in the first place... inordinate for me is spending more than one night of sleep setting it up... HEhehehe
Bottom line, to each his own... and for you, you don't like WinMo...
So, what DO you like? What other OS is giving you ANY business productivity other than making phone calls, sending text messages, and composing e-mail? Any mobile phone will do those things, what are you saying you are missing for productivity in the WM world that you get from any other? (honest question, I simply don't know and refuse to say you can't, unless you can prove to me you can't)
So, I'll gladly send you a SASE to send me your 'dead' Tilt... let me know!
Every time I think I want to switch phones, I go look at all the options from AT&T and Verizon on phonescoop and the bottom line is this:
Touch screen - check
MiniUSB connection instead of some shoddy input that ends up breaking after a month - check
Windows Mobile so I can configure it exactly how I want - check
Qwerty keyboard that isn't just on screen - check
I have yet to find another phone that meets all these and is anywhere near better than the Kaiser/Tilt. My sister has the iPhone and it's crap IMO. My best friend has the Voyager and it's worse than that! Another has the ENV2 which is actually nice if you don't care to ever do any configuring of software because there's no WM and the Verizon interface is so limited.
So there. Have fun with all your subpar phones. I'll stay with mine.
Hi all, it's been a while since I have posted lol, but I got a bit of a situation at our company that the pro's here might be able to help us out with.
We've got some serious trouble with with at least one person (possibly more) in our company, that has been fooling around with way more than the business programs that operate our CNC machines. It has destabilized the OS in our Waterjet, and we have also had to reformat a office PC as well. The way we know, is that only owners have Remote Desktop access set up on these machines, and we have seen other remote access names popping up now, around the same time as really bad system problems & bugs have been showing up. The one older Waterjet, if it is cashed to the point of a reformat, the whole machine will be scrap, as the the one of a kind coding between the MB and the internal PMAC card (controller card) will not be able to be replaced.
Also the company has a few HTC phones, Tytn, TytnII, and a Diamond that get charged throughout the day in areas that can not be secured from everyone. We believe they have been used to send confidential data and pictures of our company by someone else as well. As personal phones are not allowed.
My question is, out of ALL the junk & useless spam programs out there that do not do what they say. What is there that our company can reliably use and install on our company PC's & at least the HTC Diamond as well(as others will be upgraded) to covertly monitor and or record either on the host machine, or preferably a remote administers PC all that happens on these devices all running windows platform? The program must also be able to run in stealth mode and have no conflicts with anti virus programs. We are using Avast now, but considering the severity of this, the company would switch to a new solution that would work seamlessly and undetectable in order to weed out the perpetrator, and any future one's as well.
The Legal part of this for those wondering:
Other companies we do business with here have also had to combat this same problem. As long as it is the companies PC's & PC phones and on the premises, anything and everything that is carried out on these pieces of equipment is able to be monitored (without notice, as it is a voluntary act to place information on someone else's property on their premises). It also legally becomes the companies property and full rights of use in legal matters. At least in our country there is still one last shred of something that can help out the victims & not the criminal. Here we have to welcome in a home intruder and make sure he doesn't stub his toe on the door on the way out, or else we end up getting sued for damages, all the mean while he gets released with another line on his rap sheet!
Gem
Any professional solutions is greatly appreciated.
I recently erased and reinstalled the rom (it just wasn't running as clean as I wanted to)which is the basic rom that came from ATT. Anyways. i'm having troubles as:
1) I get no response sometimes with the touch screen. Whether I touch hard or soft.After 3 seconds or so of constant tapping it comes to life but happens too frequently. I get so pissed I want to slam it the floor.
2)Another problem i'm having is I can't install many programs. I'm getting tons of errors. I can't install Kaiser tweak or advanced config. I can't install games.
3) when I'm in a wifi area (coffeeshop/restaurant) I go to activate the wifi card (wireless manager) and it gives me the 4 colored icon moving showing it's working for 4-5 seconds and it's still off. I can't activate the damn wifi card..
4)videos I converted with spb mobile dvd appear to play slow and have speech delays/synching, which they never did.
5) A wierd thing happened when I used "file explorer ex" to go to the storage card directory, all of a sudden I had tons of wierd files all having 3 characters only with numbers/letters with a windows icon and I couldn't erase it because it said it was a system file. something like 10-15 of them. I restarted the system and it went back to being normal.
DAMN TYTNII/TILT/8925! i'm fed up with slowness and problems with the phone. I'm considering the Touch pro2 but from what I see it has the same crap processor and so I'm wondering if they didn't include the video driver for that one (or any other model HTC has, and so I'm consider something besides HTC, maybe the xperia) as well. I want to be able to play full movies, skyfire, and a good keyboard not like the tilt. I want the UI to be very fast and smooth not like the tilt.And when I press the red button to hang up a call, I don't want to wait 2-3 seconds either. BTW, when is WM7 coming out cause this 6.1 aint doing it for me.
I AM NOT HAPPY.
That sounds bad.... When you say you reinstalled the ROM do you mean that you reflashed it or that you did a hard reset?
Have you tried a hard reset? (again)
Settings-> system -> clear storage
You could also try the official WM6.1 ROM that can be found on the HTC web site.
if the purpose of the thread was to rant/vent, i'll leave it at that
but if you want help to see if you can improve on some or all of your complaints, we will need more information, particularly:
A. was it fine before? when did each of the problems start? please go back to your original post and describe which problems existed from the beginning and which ones popped up later
B. describe your configuration. which version of windows mobile are you using? 6.0? 6.1? 6.5? is it an official ROM or a "cooked" one? whats your SPL version? which radio ROM are you using?
C. which software are you using for video playback? granted, the kaiser lacks proper video drivers (as do most of HTC's newer models), it can still be tweaked quite nicely to give very acceptable video playback...i play divx/xvid videos at FULL framerate with no lag on my set up, after appropriate tweaks of course
D. maybe the wifi networks you are trying to connect to are SECURE and/or MAC filtered...have you tried connecting to a network that you are certain is open-for-all?
E. have you tried a hard reset as suggested in the first response in this thread?
F. most of the problems you are mentioning sound like SOFTWARE and/or OS issues...hardware is quite a distant possibility to blame so considering moving to a new device based on your reported observations is uninformed. windows phones are windows phones and they are designed to be flexible and masters-of-everything and therefore require the user to be well informed and aware of what he/she is doing. if you can't keep up and don't desire and/or can't harness the uber-power that the kaiser delivers, move on to the iFart and be done with it
my advice is to provide answers to the above and/or perform a hard reset and/or change your ROM. OR, you COULD just have a lemon on your hands in which case a change of hardware is your only option. but you will only know for sure it is a lemon if you go through the motions mentioned here...
good luck!
Have you tried a hard reset? (again)
Settings-> system -> clear storage
No I haven't, but I will.
You could also try the official WM6.1 ROM that can be found on the HTC web site.
I will have to invest more time in learning in how to do that. I did try many months before to read up on how to do the rom stuff but (not to offend the website) the info is all over the place and not esthetically pleasing to read, I gave up. Plus it didn't answer a simple question of:"If you've cid unlocked your phone do you need jumpspl or just do hardSPL"
if the purpose of the thread was to rant/vent, i'll leave it at that
At first it was to write the problems I had but more and more when I was into writing the post I was getting so Pi**ed so mostly help, part rant..
a)I've had the phone since Sept08. After unlocking it using an ebay service I used it as it was. a few weeks after that I did my first hard reset ( I forgot the terminology before) and then a week later found out about the 3 second reset to remove bloatware, so did that. About every 2-3 months it seems to have little problems (not run smoothly, memory full)and I do a hard reset. The last one I did was 2-3 weeks ago. I missed the 3 second opportunity and did a HR again, then did it. On my Mi-SD card I have most of the software I need to get it going. All TCPMP extensions to play flash, windows DLL's , kaiser tweak, memmaid, aflashlight app, skyfire, opera, minimo, fonts, ringtone, HTChome6, a dialer to replace the junk one included,and other stuff, you get the idea. The screen was fine before. never had the tapping problem i'm having now.
b)I can't install KTweak or the andvanced config, which I was easily able to before. I removed opera because it was bothering me with the XML part of the Ktweak, but still not able to..
c) I have WM6 PRO CEOS 5.2.1620(build 18125.0.4.2) just the regular att one I recieved when i bought the phone (ebay)
d)which software are you using for video playback?
TCPMP with all the drivers/DLL's. Btw, for the heck of it, all video's of WMV I converted using SPB dvd mobile I played in windows mobile, and it plays it much smoother than the TCPMP.
e)As far as the wifi is concerned, I mean that first I activate wifi through CONN manager, and try to activate the 2nd icon on the right side going down, the "I" with the the 2 "c's" on each side..that's what i'm talking about, it doesn't want to turn yellow. Then after I activate it, I go to the wifi, see the available networks available then connect to one. I don't even get to the 2nd stage since it doesn't want to turn the wifi on..I tried it this second it works fine. I guess it works according to how it feels that day.. Not that I net so much with the phone. WhenI can't activate the wifi card,, the square "E" icon at the top starts searching using GPRS (if I recall) and it shows the "E" with 2 arrows moving to the sides (like the wifi does) and a windows keeps popping up and won't go away!!! it drives me crazy..I press the hang up button but it doesn't stop it, till I can take it no more and pull the battery out..
maybe the wifi networks you are trying to connect to are SECURE and/or MAC filtered no, their all public wifi's, in restaurants, coffee places..places like that..
f)I'm having another problem I didn't post before. When taking photos, there is no zoom out/in icons like they're used to be. This problem started about 3 months ago. H-reset or S-reset won't bring back the 2 icons. In Video yes, but in camera mode no..
most of the problems you are mentioning sound like SOFTWARE and/or OS issues...hardware is quite a distant possibility to blame so considering moving to a new device based on your reported observations is uninformed. windows phones are windows phones and they are designed to be flexible and masters-of-everything and therefore require the user to be well informed and aware of what he/she is doing. if you can't keep up and don't desire and/or can't harness the uber-power that the kaiser delivers, move on to the iFart and be done with it
YOU"RE 100% right!(Iphone..OH,GOD NO!!)I lack some knowledge as to how to work it properly, you're right about that. I don't want a phone that I buy to have to flash it it, and to do this and that, and blah blah blah. I want something that will work right out of the box. Will be quick, not lack drivers(which btw, HTC back stabbed everyone, and for this reason I'm not sure i'll go with HTC again) and be able to do it all. I'm willing to put down $1k for this phone, even $1400, but fo some reason or another no one can make one. Why I don't know. Why can't 1 smart manufacturer, look at all the flaws of the top phones and produce a perfect phone. People would jump all over it. I also feel like giving up with the TILT, only because it doesn't satisfy my needs. i'm not to happy with the TILT. At first I was extremly excited, but now, I want to slam it to the floor. The software lacks many things, and it can only do so much. The market and tech is there for many years, can't they make a perfect pda phone, and why the hell is taking M$ so long to make an OS that has it all? If they can make a great OS like Windows 7, why can't they implament that tech to PPC's? LAZY IMO!
I'm looking at all the phones on GSM arena, and none of them has it all, none. Considered the xperia, but crappy rez and small screen. The new Idou, only good because of the 12MP camera, but nothing else, and don't want symbian OS..fed up with Nokia..nothing normal out there. All HTC's. all the same..can't find something normal..
I will do the reset and i'll et you know in a few hours.
Thanks for all your help, I extremely appreciate it..
I should have posted the topic" I NEED HELP PLEASE. TILT AND OWNER FREAKING OUT+RANT"
amitsivak said:
Have you tried a hard reset? (again)
Settings-> system -> clear storage
No I haven't, but I will.
You could also try the official WM6.1 ROM that can be found on the HTC web site.
I will have to invest more time in learning in how to do that...not esthetically pleasing to read, I gave up. Plus it didn't answer a simple question of:"If you've cid unlocked your phone do you need jumpspl or just do hardSPL"
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jumpspl is needed ONLY AND ONLY to CHANGE your HardSPL...it is also needed to put on the HardSPL in the first place. it may not be a very intuitive read and certainly requires some effort on the reader's part but if you read it all carefully, your concepts will become rock solid and all further steps and conclusions will flow logically...the pieces will fall into place.
if the purpose of the thread was to rant/vent, i'll leave it at that
At first it was to write the problems I had but more and more when I was into writing the post I was getting so Pi**ed so mostly help, part rant..
a)I've had the phone since Sept08...On my Mi-SD card I have most of the software I need to get it going. All TCPMP extensions to play flash, windows DLL's , kaiser tweak, memmaid, aflashlight app, skyfire, opera, minimo, fonts, ringtone, HTChome6, a dialer to replace the junk one included,and other stuff, you get the idea. The screen was fine before. never had the tapping problem i'm having now.
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its a good idea to keep all installables on your micro sd card. BUT, you should install ONLY the stuff you TRULY need. also remember to clear up browser caches and temporary files that are dropped on the device internal memory from time to time. skyfire, opera, minimo...thats THREE browsers in addition to the builtin IE...i just stick to the latest official beta of opera 9.7 in addition to the latest IE built in to my winmo6.5 ROM. my point is, windows mobile (pre 6.x, 6.0, 6.1, and 6.5) is somewhat delicate and sensitive in terms of the specific versions of applications you install. i've had my kaiser (my FIRST winmo device) for just over a year...i still use pretty much the same applications as i did the first couple of months, i've abandoned some in favor of better ones, and nearly all of them are newer versions that i am certain are compatible with the winmo build(s) i am using at any given time. your stock ROM is quite an OLD build and quite a few corrections and improvements have been made to the OS, so much so that the build number is now in the 21xxx range (compared to your 6.0 build of 18125) and still going further (a bunch of new bugs and issues are inevitable as the OS moves forward). my point is, perhaps you have accumulated some newer installables that don't quite play well with your old OS build 18125.
b)I can't install KTweak or the andvanced config, which I was easily able to before. I removed opera because it was bothering me with the XML part of the Ktweak, but still not able to..
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thats odd...once again, kaisertweak and advanced config have both progressed to newer versions...if you have an old installable, try a new installable. if you are already trying the new installable, try the old one from the era that your build belongs to.
c) I have WM6 PRO CEOS 5.2.1620(build 18125.0.4.2) just the regular att one I recieved when i bought the phone (ebay)
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i'm not saying you should try att's newer official winmo6.1 ROM but some people have reported great improvements, but your milage may vary. i, on the other hand, SWEAR by "cooked" ROMs and there are some particular cooked ROMs that will impress the $H1T out of you
d)which software are you using for video playback?
TCPMP with all the drivers/DLL's. Btw, for the heck of it, all video's of WMV I converted using SPB dvd mobile I played in windows mobile, and it plays it much smoother than the TCPMP.
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i never used TCPMP and i quickly moved on to coreplayer, even when i was on winmo6.0. so far, the BEST video performance i have gotten was with the following configuration:
1. Sakajati's HyperDragon IV Rhodium ROM (April 10th, 2009)
2. chainfire's gfxboost v1.1
3. coreplayer 1.3.2 build 6909
4. coreplayer configured to DISABLE QTV mode, and video mode set to DirectDraw @ medium quality
on a side note, the ROM mentioned in item 1 above is STELLAR if you're looking for a good cooked winmo6.1 ROM.
e)As far as the wifi is concerned, I mean that first I activate wifi...I guess it works according to how it feels that day.. Not that I net so much with the phone. WhenI can't activate the wifi card,, the square "E" icon at the top starts searching using GPRS (if I recall) and it shows the "E" with 2 arrows moving to the sides (like the wifi does) and a windows keeps popping up and won't go away!!! it drives me crazy..I press the hang up button but it doesn't stop it, till I can take it no more and pull the battery out..
maybe the wifi networks you are trying to connect to are SECURE and/or MAC filtered no, their all public wifi's, in restaurants, coffee places..places like that..
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make sure your wifi is set for "Best Performance" as opposed to the default "Best Battery". you might want to look into changing your radio ROM as well, making sure to match the radio version with your winmo MAJOR version. that is, some radios are made ONLY for winmo6.0, others ONLY for winmo6.1 and winmo6.5. same concept applies to the particular HardSPL version you use. finally, quite a few senior members and cooks here claim that wifi is the ONLY radio that is NOT AFFECTED by your radio version but my experience has been different.
also, you need to understand how windows mobile "picks" an available connection and uses it. if your data connection is set up and enabled, it will almost always be picked and forced to connect, even if your wifi is already connected. you'll have to read up some more about the concept but here is what i do. i have my data connection DISABLED all the time. i force windows mobile to always pick "My Work Network" (which is usually the wifi). note that windows will NEVER force the wifi to connect and won't be able to connect the data connection because i have disabled it. this way, i have TOTAL control over how it "dials out". so when i am in a wifi area, i connect my wifi manually and when i am not in a wifi area, i enable my data connection and i let windows dial out onto Edge/GPRS, etc.
f)I'm having another problem I didn't post before. When taking photos, there is no zoom out/in icons like they're used to be. This problem started about 3 months ago. H-reset or S-reset won't bring back the 2 icons. In Video yes, but in camera mode no..
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errr i think the zoom level is controllable in the camera ONLY in non-3-megapixel mode. that is, if your camera's picture taking mode is set to 3MP, you will NOT get any zoom control. set it to anything lower and you should get zoom control. you must have inadvertantly set the resolution to below 3MP and 3 months ago, either you or the hard reset must have caused it to revert to 3MP, hence your inability to zoom in picture mode.
most of the problems you are mentioning sound like SOFTWARE and/or OS issues...hardware is quite a distant possibility to blame so considering moving to a new device based on your reported observations is uninformed. windows phones are windows phones and they are designed to be flexible and masters-of-everything and therefore require the user to be well informed and aware of what he/she is doing. if you can't keep up and don't desire and/or can't harness the uber-power that the kaiser delivers, move on to the iFart and be done with it
YOU"RE 100% right!(Iphone..OH,GOD NO!!)I lack some knowledge as to how to work it properly, you're right about that. I don't want a phone that I buy to have to flash it it, and to do this and that, and blah blah blah. I want something that will work right out of the box. Will be quick, not lack drivers(which btw, HTC back stabbed everyone, and for this reason I'm not sure i'll go with HTC again) and be able to do it all. I'm willing to put down $1k for this phone, even $1400, but fo some reason or another no one can make one. Why I don't know. Why can't 1 smart manufacturer, look at all the flaws of the top phones and produce a perfect phone. People would jump all over it. I also feel like giving up with the TILT, only because it doesn't satisfy my needs. i'm not to happy with the TILT. At first I was extremly excited, but now, I want to slam it to the floor. The software lacks many things, and it can only do so much. The market and tech is there for many years, can't they make a perfect pda phone, and why the hell is taking M$ so long to make an OS that has it all? If they can make a great OS like Windows 7, why can't they implament that tech to PPC's? LAZY IMO!
I'm looking at all the phones on GSM arena, and none of them has it all, none. Considered the xperia, but crappy rez and small screen. The new Idou, only good because of the 12MP camera, but nothing else, and don't want symbian OS..fed up with Nokia..nothing normal out there. All HTC's. all the same..can't find something normal..
I will do the reset and i'll et you know in a few hours.
Thanks for all your help, I extremely appreciate it..
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i said it before and i'll say it again and i don't mean to sound harsh but windows mobile is powerful...and with great power comes great responsibility...the user HAS TO BE AWARE of what he/she is doing and what is going on in the device to be able to tweak it and customize it and to get it to do EXACTLY what is desired.
Regrets, I’ve had a few. Been a lurker here for many years, after I purchased my XDA many moons ago. Really happy with it at the time and the custom roms and bits you cleaver guys developed for wm5, updated to wm6…but the phone was frustrating slow and had a habit of crashing.
I upgraded to a HTC HD Mini, again thank you for all the upgrades you guys did… wm6.5, something I wouldn’t have the first clue about. I recently damaged the LCD with isopropyl and had to replace the LCD and digitiser….whilst waiting for parts, and with the pretence that I potentially couldn’t fix the phone I ordered a Nokia Lumia 820.
I’ve had the Nokia 820 wp8 for 48 hours, I feel as if I’ve purchased a box of chocolates but can’t get past the cellophane.
I had to sign in to my Hotmail account to download a unit converter app, now the phone is receiving my Hotmail emails and I can’t uninstall it. Just done a factory reset.
Every time I pick the phone up it wants me to sign in, connect to wifi or gsm…I can’t even explore the files on the phone. Before I send the phone back is there a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel or have I made a mistake sticking with Microsoft, as an old fart I was hoping for some familiarity.
Charlie.
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Regrets, I’ve had a few. Been a lurker here for many years, after I purchased my XDA many moons ago. Really happy with it at the time and the custom roms and bits you cleaver guys developed for wm5, updated to wm6…but the phone was frustrating slow and had a habit of crashing.
I upgraded to a HTC HD Mini, again thank you for all the upgrades you guys did… wm6.5, something I wouldn’t have the first clue about. I recently damaged the LCD with isopropyl and had to replace the LCD and digitiser….whilst waiting for parts, and with the pretence that I potentially couldn’t fix the phone I ordered a Nokia Lumia 820.
I’ve had the Nokia 820 wp8 for 48 hours, I feel as if I’ve purchased a box of chocolates but can’t get past the cellophane.
I had to sign in to my Hotmail account to download a unit converter app, now the phone is receiving my Hotmail emails and I can’t uninstall it. Just done a factory reset.
Every time I pick the phone up it wants me to sign in, connect to wifi or gsm…I can’t even explore the files on the phone. Before I send the phone back is there a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel or have I made a mistake sticking with Microsoft, as an old fart I was hoping for some familiarity.
Charlie.
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I'm sorry. What is wrong with what you've just said? android and ios are the same. You can't use a marketplace without signing in. and the files are mostly subordinate to the apps that can read them, android is an exception for what as been for a long time in the phone market, but it does the whole contacts/gmail/etc thing as wp8. You might be able to disable email syncro though, if you dislike that much reading email on a phone. Can you explain to us WHY did you buy a smartphone if you don't use any of the characteristics that makes one so?
The wp8 experience is one of seamless integration with social networks, work networks (email, office documents),apps services, you can't have that without a Microsoft account.
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I'm sorry. What is wrong with what you've just said? android and ios are the same. You can't use a marketplace without signing in. and the files are mostly subordinate to the apps that can read them, android is an exception for what as been for a long time in the phone market, but it does the whole contacts/gmail/etc thing as wp8. You might be able to disable email syncro though, if you dislike that much reading email on a phone. Can you explain to us WHY did you buy a smartphone if you don't use any of the characteristics that makes one so?
The wp8 experience is one of seamless integration with social networks, work networks (email, office documents),apps services, you can't have that without a Microsoft account.
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Thanks for the reply,
I guess I was hoping wp8 was going to be more like windows, for example the phone has built in gps but I have no way of accessing it…ie grid reference.
The reason I went for a smart phone, ie htc hd mini is ease of carrying a single device when traveling. I don’t need wifi or a GSM reception to use the htc for satnav (map grid and tomtom), radio or to watch films or listen to mp3’s.
For work, I need a phone, camera, gps, removable sd, replaceable battery and entertainment when stuck in boring hotel rooms.
orbitalschool said:
Thanks for the reply,
I guess I was hoping wp8 was going to be more like windows, for example the phone has built in gps but I have no way of accessing it…ie grid reference.
The reason I went for a smart phone, ie htc hd mini is ease of carrying a single device when traveling. I don’t need wifi or a GSM reception to use the htc for satnav (map grid and tomtom), radio or to watch films or listen to mp3’s.
For work, I need a phone, camera, gps, removable sd, replaceable battery and entertainment when stuck in boring hotel rooms.
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lol first.. what use is gps without a map. and wp8 has native offline maps ready to download. you're trying to use a modern smartphone like a nokia 6600, that's why you're having problem. Try using it the way it's supposed to - the modern always online world.
By the way, yes, you absolutely can disable email sync (not sure why you'd want to; email sync is incredibly handy, one of the things I use every single day on my phone, but OK) either when you set up the account, or by going to Settings -> Email + Accounts and tapping on the account in question.
Installing apps does, indeed, require store access (OK, mostly; there's limited support for sideloading, and one of the things the hacking community is working on is improving that). Store access is tied to you Microsoft account (as on Win8 or Steam or something like that).
The old days of "it's a handheld computer!" (not that that was ever entirely true) are largely gone, although, again, this is the kind of thing that we're trying to bring back.
If you download the maps onto the device it includes a license for worlwide offline navigation (in supported countries - that means: if they have the mapping data, which they have I believe for ~ 80 countries worldwide). The same Maps are used in Here Maps and if downloaded work offline as well.
There is no file explorer though. If you transfer files to the Documents folder they will show up in the office hub. If you put files in the music folder they will show up in the Music Hub, etc.
So all in all you can't be completely offline due to the application store but otherwise you should be able to do everything you want with your WP8 device, although it works differently.
GoodDayToDie said:
By the way, yes, you absolutely can disable email sync (not sure why you'd want to; email sync is incredibly handy, one of the things I use every single day on my phone, but OK) either when you set up the account, or by going to Settings -> Email + Accounts and tapping on the account in question.
Installing apps does, indeed, require store access (OK, mostly; there's limited support for sideloading, and one of the things the hacking community is working on is improving that). Store access is tied to you Microsoft account (as on Win8 or Steam or something like that).
The old days of "it's a handheld computer!" (not that that was ever entirely true) are largely gone, although, again, this is the kind of thing that we're trying to bring back.
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There are many annoying things about my HD mini wm6.5, but since I've fixed the screen and got the reception back as good as new (antenna connection) I've found a new respect for the phone. I'm thinking about sending the Nokia wp8 back, prematurely it feels as I haven't received the new sim or sd card yet, so I haven't actually used it. I'm also considering purchasing another HD mini as back up.
I wish I had the level of understanding you guys have, I'd love the ability to be able to program and customize the device to my liking but the reality is I'm hanging on coattails. I was hoping wp8 would be an improved version of wm6.5.
Thanks for the advice.
Charlie.
The difference between Windows Phone and Windows Mobile is deeper than the branding, but the branding is intended as a tip-off that they are *not* the same thing.
Windows Phone is a smartphone in the sense that iOS is a smartphone; it's pretty "smart" for a phone, but even Microsoft wouldn't have marketed it as a "PocketPC".
orbitalschool said:
There are many annoying things about my HD mini wm6.5, but since I've fixed the screen and got the reception back as good as new (antenna connection) I've found a new respect for the phone. I'm thinking about sending the Nokia wp8 back, prematurely it feels as I haven't received the new sim or sd card yet, so I haven't actually used it. I'm also considering purchasing another HD mini as back up.
I wish I had the level of understanding you guys have, I'd love the ability to be able to program and customize the device to my liking but the reality is I'm hanging on coattails. I was hoping wp8 would be an improved version of wm6.5.
Thanks for the advice.
Charlie.
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The point is that there is very little amount of "personalization" possible. Try to use it instead as it is.