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[Q] When Froyo hits, will your root and everything with it be "restored"?

BEFORE you judge me lol : I'm a new android user, and I've searched and read through the forum and FAQs alike.
Sorry if this is already answered. I've tried the search and read through the FAQs already but there's so much information my head will just explode from it.
Also I'm a fresh android user (just switched over from the iPhone, yay?). I was a very enthusiastic jailbreaker for the iPhone when I was still using that device. Hence my enthusiasm for all things "hackable" for the Android device as well.
All my blabbering aside, I'm just wondering this.
When the Froyo update hits the i9000, your root and everything with it(custom firmwares and stuff?) will be "broken" and be restore as the "stock" Froyo firmware/build right?
Am I even making sense to anyone?

for new firmware, you have to flash it, and so, everything will loss, storage in your internal and external SD will remain but all you app, mod, messages, call log, contact, etc will be lost
like you've partition your home PC with app data saved in C drive and all other documents in D drive, when you reinstall your OS, you wipe off your C and install it again and everything in D should remain (if you do it the right way )
correct me if i am wrong

We won't know for sure, but the way HTC handles Froyo updates, there is no data loss.
But to reply OP, yes, root will most probably be lost. But ability to flash custom firmware should still be available. Afterall, in the first place we don't even need root to flash custom firmwares in the first place, at least on the SGS.

kenkiller said:
We won't know for sure, but the way HTC handles Froyo updates, there is no data loss.
But to reply OP, yes, root will most probably be lost. But ability to flash custom firmware should still be available. Afterall, in the first place we don't even need root to flash custom firmwares in the first place, at least on the SGS.
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So this does mean that we will be able to get the froyo update through kies even though we are running rooted custom ROM?

alright thanks for the speedy reply and clarification. i have a lot of new terms i'll need to learn for the android now. lol.

sorry, OP, are you talking about an official Samsung firmware update using kies or the one using odin3?
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nickporwal said:
So this does mean that we will be able to get the froyo update through kies even though we are running rooted custom ROM?
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Most probably not. You might have to return to stock firmware to get any updates from Kies.
But what's the point? The Froyo firmware will be available in the Odin form certainly.

chluk2425 said:
sorry, OP, are you talking about an official Samsung firmware update using kies or the one using odin3?
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i think the stock official firmware update. i'm also afraid that flashing a new OS for my current 2.1 will screw up any local settings. i need to do more research about this whole flashing, rooting thing...
shall spare you guys my questions. lol.

ironic from my previous post, i'll just like to ask one simple question.
since i'm a totally new android user, i should just wait for the OFFICIAL Froyo for the SGSi9000, update it and wait for some modified version of the OS, and i'll flash it over for a speedier, more accessable phone?
(i've read the FAQ a thousand times lol.)

Adevem said:
ironic from my previous post, i'll just like to ask one simple question.
since i'm a totally new android user, i should just wait for the OFFICIAL Froyo for the SGSi9000, update it and wait for some modified version of the OS, and i'll flash it over for a speedier, more accessable phone?
(i've read the FAQ a thousand times lol.)
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the official one is somewhat released near September as i remember... so you have to wait till that time to do it.... i know nothing about flashing using Kies since I am a new user to android as well
but what i am thinking is: either you flash the current firmware (JP3, JP2, etc) using Odin3 or the official firmware using the Kies, the chance is if you brick your phone, samsung will also not responsible for it, so... unless you take your phone to the customer service, you are still risking

well you definitely know more than me lol thanks for the information folks. imma root my phone, don't think there's any risk ye. wish me luck lol.

I am gonna necro this thread since I am an absolute idiot.
It took me a few days just to understand that root is not the SAME as flashing. Finally got that through my head. Hence I can keep my stock JG4 firmware while having root.
But what happens when Froyo comes along. As someone already said, we are going to lose root if we update via KIES. Then what? Do we just use the One Click Root to root our phone again? (Right now I haven't found a reason to flash to a custom ROM yet.)
I am asking this since I am sick of losing all my data in my phone every time I have to upgrade my firmware, but if I can't root my phone afterwards, titanium backup won't work.

snapper.fishes said:
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I am asking this since I am sick of losing all my data in my phone every time I have to upgrade my firmware, but if I can't root my phone afterwards, titanium backup won't work.
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as backup tool I use MyBackup Pro (paid app). it backups all (SMS, MMS, Call Logs, Settings ...) and your Apps too.
good stuff.

[Q] SRE or UTB

Hello,
I'm quite new to android and after reading around the forums for the captivate, I was wondering exactly which is better, SRE or the Unleash the Beast?
I come from HTC Fuze and I am really excited about the Captivate I just got. And like most new owners, I'm concerned about what exactly I am doing with phone. Please help me.

SRE all the way

SRE provides way more options. Sideloading enabled by default, overclocking, disabled GPS logging, mobile access point, usb tethering... definitely the way to go until BuglessPete ever comes back (if he does)

I've been reading up on the SRE thread and it seems I have to do a nandroid backup and titanium backup but doesn't those 2 require the phone to be rooted?
What exactly is sideloading? I've been trying to figure it out but all people said that it let non-market apps to be installed to the phone but how would I install the unit?

I like SRE.
Sideloading is exactly what you said it is. Instead of installing via the Market, you just transfer a .apk file to your phone, open it with a file manager and it will install.

Seems like the SRE is the popular choice to go, but do I have to do those backups like the nandroid and titamium back up before I do SRE even though I need to root?

agegsg said:
Seems like the SRE is the popular choice to go, but do I have to do those backups like the nandroid and titamium back up before I do SRE even though I need to root?
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It will root for you no worries.
I've used both and I prefer SRE, I ran UTB for a month and after all the bugs were out of SRE I flashed it and it is awsome. Then get Ryna's one click lag fix in the Market and install it, you'll get rid of the lag and it posts quad scores over 2400, stock is between 800-900.
You won't be able to use Nandroid or Titanium without Root.

glio1337 said:
I like SRE.
Sideloading is exactly what you said it is. Instead of installing via the Market, you just transfer a .apk file to your phone, open it with a file manager and it will install.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/sideload-android-apps-all-you-want-sideload-wonder-machine
This is the best choice for sideloading apps. Very simple to use and it does the work for you. No need for an ADB shell or any of that, easier on noobs like me.

First off, Thank you guys for your post. I decided as suggest to do the SRE. Am I suppose to notice any difference when I finish up the SRE?
Also, any recommendation of apps I should get now that my phone has freedom?

change form UTB to SRE
I just received my Samsung Captivate and used UTB first, but am thinking I may want to try SRE, do I need to do anything before I run SRE, and can I just do this over UTB. I have not flashed any roms or anything like that. Thanks for your assistance.

skipper86 said:
I just received my Samsung Captivate and used UTB first, but am thinking I may want to try SRE, do I need to do anything before I run SRE, and can I just do this over UTB. I have not flashed any roms or anything like that. Thanks for your assistance.
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you really should read through as many (all) the pages of SRE as you can, but since I've been keeping up with it I'll help you out. According to DesignGears and several others, if you're running UTB you can just flash over it and it won't matter.
just put update.zip on your SD card, boot into recovery, reinstall packages

skipper86 said:
I just received my Samsung Captivate and used UTB first, but am thinking I may want to try SRE, do I need to do anything before I run SRE, and can I just do this over UTB. I have not flashed any roms or anything like that. Thanks for your assistance.
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I would do all of your backups and then flash back to the stock ROM and apply SRE.

If I recall correctly, you are recommended to flash to stock, but I read in their forums you can just do it over the UTB. Here is a link to their thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=751934

SRE all the way! I'm about to do mine!

agegsg said:
If I recall correctly, you are recommended to flash to stock, but I read in their forums you can just do it over the UTB. Here is a link to their thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=751934
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I flashed SRE over UTB and had no problems whatso ever..enjoy SRE its awesome being overclocked and stable @ 1.2GHz!

i flashed to SRE last night, coming from JM5 i9000 rom, this thing is smokin now.

I'm about to stay reading up on SRE, but can anyone tell me if this will affect any ota updates, I'm on jh3 now with UTB and that's about it. Also am I going to have to re-load anything after I flash this over Utb?
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I was forced into flashing to stock when I did something--still not sure what--to get a blank screen after boot, so I decided, what the hey, instead of just rooting, go with SuperRooter (which I assume is being called SRE now) and get lots of goodies with it. I'm a true believer, what with a truly open market, no more bloatware, ext4 file system, etc.
I didn't do Nandroid or Titanium Backup...didn't know how at the time. But since I had been using AppBrain, reinstalling all my apps took longer than it would have using Titanium and I lost my app settings, but it wasn't anything to cry about. So if you're not using Titanium yet then I'd recommend you go to AppBrain, sign up, download the app, and run it before going this route.
It worked just fine for me. If there's a problem, just get Odin and a ROM to reflash the phone (instructions are available all over the place on how to do this, particularly at the top of this very forum). It seems to take a lot to brick your phone, so don't be scared to jump in. Learning new stuff is fun! Just keep a cool head if you blow it...you can most likely fix it in pretty short order.

Question about which 2.2 rom

Ok I have read basically all of the 'bible'.
My rogers captivate should be here tommorow i plan to root and flash it asap. Which 2.2 roms have HUSPA enabled; only deo? Or does cog?
Do I need to do anything to my rogers phone different then an ATT phone before flashing since it is named 96 not 97?
Thank you and sorry if this has been answered... I did read for about 2 hours before posting.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=749548
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=821323
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=808286
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803569
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=816271

None of those are explaining to me this script to change 96 to 97?

nope, i just linked to the ones i actually knew the answer too.

But any custom rom I install will have all the ATT bloatware on it?

In theory you will already have been rooted meaning you can always remove any items you consider to be bloatware.

ralexand said:
In theory you will already have been rooted meaning you can always remove any items you consider to be bloatware.
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Yes, i guess this is true..
Sorry I was stuck with an x10 until i lost it this weekend... I am not used to freedom... Sony can suck donkey nuts, I will never buy another product from that evil company.

slayp00n said:
Yes, i guess this is true..
Sorry I was stuck with an x10 until i lost it this weekend... I am not used to freedom... Sony can suck donkey nuts, I will never buy another product from that evil company.
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*e-high-fives*

insaneturbo13 said:
*e-high-fives*
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Thanks, ill report back.
My new laptop is coming tommorow so I don't know if i will have time to take care of both.

Bear in mind, at this time there is no way to go back to the original Rogers firmware if you are unhappy with whatever AT&T firmware you flash. And you may as well use either the Device ID or Android ID app to get your device ID before you flash.
There is now a way to get back to stock Rogers firmware.

opcow said:
Bear in mind, at this time there is no way to go back to the original Rogers firmware if you are unhappy with whatever AT&T firmware you flash. And you may as well use either the Device ID or Android ID app to get your device ID before you flash.
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No way to go back? I thought after beta 6 of cognition you could flash back?
So even if i do a backup before flashing I cannot go back?

That's correct. ROM installations are not installed or backed up with backup software. There needs to be a ROM available of your shipped base ROM.
Here's an analogy based on a PC: You can backup XP; Then install Windows 7; But you cannot go back to XP from a backup of XP.
If I"m not mistaken, the closest you could come is to root your phone, install ClockworkMod Recovery, and make a Recovery Backup with that. (The PC analogy of this is 'making an image').
You could then restore that, but you would hvae a modified ROM. YOu can unroot that, and that would be the closest you would be to being back to stock.
One thing you want to be sure you do: after creating the backup, you want to copy that to your PC to be sure you don't lose it during any of your other activities.
One caveat: I'm not sure if the CWM supports your phone with your ROM, or if rooting is out for it, etc. You'll have to do a bit of due diligence before going down this path.

slayp00n said:
No way to go back? I thought after beta 6 of cognition you could flash back?
So even if i do a backup before flashing I cannot go back?
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The only stock Rogers firmware available at the time I wrote that was a nandroid backup and no one had success using it unless they still had Rogers firmware on their phone. There is now an Odin flashable version linked in this post. People report that they still see an AT&T logo when they boot even after using this to go back to Rogers firmware (I do too on my AT&T phone flashed with it). I don't know if there may be other issues.

yeah all that stuff is ready, and i planned to do cwm, im fine if that will restore to a rogers FW...

then maybe ill stay on the Rogers fw untill either a completely debranded CM6.1 comes, or they build a COG off rogers... Apparently from my due diligence, the rogers fw has much better gps.

Unrooting my captivate to get AT&T 2.2?

I rooted my phone (I think) using I897UCJF6-final-OCD-REV0.exe (I think). Looking at the phone with SUPER MANAGER the ENABLE ROOT function is NOT checked off. Does that mean my phone is not rooted? Is there another way of telling if my phone is rooted? I read somewhere that you need an unrooted phone in order to get the AT&T froyo 2.2 which hopefully will be released any day now. If I need the phone unrooted to get the update is there an easy way to unroot it that will not wipe out my programs and data?
Thanks for any help.

panflute said:
I rooted my phone (I think) using I897UCJF6-final-OCD-REV0.exe (I think). Looking at the phone with SUPER MANAGER the ENABLE ROOT function is NOT checked off. Does that mean my phone is not rooted? Is there another way of telling if my phone is rooted? I read somewhere that you need an unrooted phone in order to get the AT&T froyo 2.2 which hopefully will be released any day now. If I need the phone unrooted to get the update is there an easy way to unroot it that will not wipe out my programs and data?
Thanks for any help.
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that exe you are referring to is stock 2.1... there is nothing rooted about it
you are not rooted

Rooted
OK. I probably did not run that program. But how can I tell if a phone is rooted or not? And is it true that your phone has to be unrooted in order to update to 2.2? thanks

panflute said:
OK. I probably did not run that program. But how can I tell if a phone is rooted or not? And is it true that your phone has to be unrooted in order to update to 2.2? thanks
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Ummmmm did you or didn't you run that program while in download mode? If you are unsure about that then I suggest you stop trying to mod your phone for a while and do some reading.
As far as being unrooted, no one knows. But I can tell you I plain don't care about an official release from att. I will continue to use roms that are developed by folks around here. they are better than anything that att can put out.
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Pirateghost
Pirate, I have been a member here for a long time, & been doing a lot of reading since I got this phone. I have never seen so many people get bricked and that scares me. I tried to root the phone just in order to make backups....I am a backup freek and for good reason. My last phone was the DASH 3G (still have it). I got the HTC Windows phone but only kept it a couple of weeks before realizing how far it has to go. The Captivate is definitely a lot better than anything i have ever had and it does not seem necessary to flash it in order to get all the nice apps running. I will be happy with the AT&T update if it ever appears. I have spent the past few weeks customizing the Captivate and will post my homescreen and a list of apps I am using.

panflute said:
Pirate, I have been a member here for a long time, & been doing a lot of reading since I got this phone. I have never seen so many people get bricked and that scares me. I tried to root the phone just in order to make backups....I am a backup freek and for good reason. My last phone was the DASH 3G (still have it). I got the HTC Windows phone but only kept it a couple of weeks before realizing how far it has to go. The Captivate is definitely a lot better than anything i have ever had and it does not seem necessary to flash it in order to get all the nice apps running. I will be happy with the AT&T update if it ever appears. I have spent the past few weeks customizing the Captivate and will post my homescreen and a list of apps I am using.
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Do you have the SuperUser App in your APP drawer? If so you are rooted.

super user
I have SUPERUSER PERMISSIONS.....some of the apps listed inside it are:
titanium backup
rom manager
root explorer
sqlite editor
one click lag fix (I dont think that one worked)
So do I need to UNROOT in order to get the AT&T update to 2.2?

Just odin one click and master clear.. then hook up to kies...
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master clear
Is there a way to unroot that will not erase all of my work?

How did you know its coming any day now.

first of all, 2.2 is not coming soon....
second of all, you ARE rooted
third of all, doesn't matter if you "unroot" (although you dont really seem to be a candidate for rooting anyway)...because once you're rooted or once you change the existing software (which you did with the program you listed in the first post between the "i thinks"), you negate the ability to recieve over-the-air updates from at&t
not that ANY of this matters, because the second those firmwares hit at&t phones it will be here and available to flash
not to mention we already have 2.2 available unrooted (the leaked version (might be different))
if you want me to send you the one-click ODIN file to flash stock 2.2 let me know

So it's a confirmed fact that rooted phones can't get the OTA updates?

nope only that some people have reports that they have not been able to update after they try and use atts update....
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2.2
whitesox311 said:
first of all, 2.2 is not coming soon....
second of all, you ARE rooted
third of all, doesn't matter if you "unroot" (although you dont really seem to be a candidate for rooting anyway)...because once you're rooted or once you change the existing software (which you did with the program you listed in the first post between the "i thinks"), you negate the ability to recieve over-the-air updates from at&t
not that ANY of this matters, because the second those firmwares hit at&t phones it will be here and available to flash
not to mention we already have 2.2 available unrooted (the leaked version (might be different))
if you want me to send you the one-click ODIN file to flash stock 2.2 let me know
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Whitesox
Thanks for your offer! I would love 2.2. Someone on this board said he works for AT&T said the update was coming on the 19th....guess not ))
I need to ask a few questions about applying the update:
1. Does my home screen get reset?
2. Do I have to download all of my apps again?
3. If so, does the phone remember which apps I downloaded from Marketplace?
4. I assume that any backups i did would not apply to the new 2,2
4. Anything i should know as far as what is and is not included in the update?
thanks whitesox....I'll be keeping a eye on this thread.

Sorry Whitesox - I'm REALLY REALLY BORED at work today - hence all the forum spamming today
I need to ask a few questions about applying the update:
1. Does my home screen get reset?
Yes
2. Do I have to download all of my apps again?
Unless you had them backed up somehow (say using Titanium Backup) - then yes.
3. If so, does the phone remember which apps I downloaded from Marketplace?
Possibly - but if your using a Custom ROM? I've found that only those I have purchased show up under the Market and I had to hunt them all down again.
4. I assume that any backups i did would not apply to the new 2,2
Not necessarily true - for Apps/Data you should be fine restoring. But I wouldn't recommend restoring any type of System Data as it would conflict with the update.
5. Anything i should know as far as what is and is not included in the update?
As in? Froyo specs means you will have additional functionality - the biggest one is Flash for websites. That and you will be able to run more applications from the Market vs. your current Eclair 2.1 ROM.

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avgjoegeek said:
Sorry Whitesox - I'm REALLY REALLY BORED at work today - hence all the forum spamming today
I need to ask a few questions about applying the update:
1. Does my home screen get reset?
Yes
2. Do I have to download all of my apps again?
Unless you had them backed up somehow (say using Titanium Backup) - then yes.
3. If so, does the phone remember which apps I downloaded from Marketplace?
Possibly - but if your using a Custom ROM? I've found that only those I have purchased show up under the Market and I had to hunt them all down again.
4. I assume that any backups i did would not apply to the new 2,2
Not necessarily true - for Apps/Data you should be fine restoring. But I wouldn't recommend restoring any type of System Data as it would conflict with the update.
5. Anything i should know as far as what is and is not included in the update?
As in? Froyo specs means you will have additional functionality - the biggest one is Flash for websites. That and you will be able to run more applications from the Market vs. your current Eclair 2.1 ROM.
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AJG
Thanks for the response. I have titanium backup, as well as SUPER MANAGER which also does backups. Also have ROm MANAGER but I am sure that will not apply....As for my installed apps & widgets I have a list of everything installed. Looking forward to 2.2 and FLASH 10 WHITESOX!

The official Froyo update has been coming "any day now" since September.

Just personal preference to run Titanium Backup - I know it works and I can use the free version to do everything I want or need.
Yea - I had forecasted we would see the Froyo OTA update from ATT with Source before Christmas - It does appear we won't see this update until sometime in 2011 - like um never?
At this point your stuck with either the OTA JH7 Update 2.1 Eclair - or you can get the Leaked Froyo (not recommended stock) or your plethora of Custom ROM's in the Dev forum.
I swear I think the Captivate has more custom roms then a room full of bunnies. I look at the other Galaxy S line and I see a few - but not as many to choose from here. This is the one major plus of owning a Captivate I guess

which one to get?
OK you and whitesox seem to know what you are doing. What is the best & most stable version to get?

Tinyboss said:
The official Froyo update has been coming "any day now" since September.
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Lolololololol!!! Your right
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Unbranded Froyo 2.2...

Is there an unbranded Froyo 2.2 for the Captivate? I hate all the ATT BSware that they put on the phones plus I think it is causing all the problems with the phone shutting down and just having crappy performance. I do not want to root my phone, just want to know if there is an unbranded version that I can load instead of the branded version? Plus what steps would it take to do this. Thanks
Sorry so long.

So not believe there is such a thing... You are willing to flash a rom but not root...?
Edit if by unbranded you mean with out att bloat and not the very first att boot screen then your options are a rom or rooting and removing the bloat yourself
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soccergolf55 said:
Is there an unbranded Froyo 2.2 for the Captivate? I hate all the ATT BSware that they put on the phones plus I think it is causing all the problems with the phone shutting down and just having crappy performance. I do not want to root my phone, just want to know if there is an unbranded version that I can load instead of the branded version? Plus what steps would it take to do this. Thanks
Sorry so long.
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There is no such thing as having a unbranded 2.2 froyo without rooting and removing the att bloatware. even then if you want to root it, you would need to root your phone to remove it.

not hard or harmful to root simple process on captivates. then use titanium backup to remove att's crapware and you can unroot if u like. i done that first day i got my phone before i decided what the hell and got flash happy with all the ROMs. some phones have that random shutdown problem u got, prolly should warranty for that.

I would download cognition 4.3 for your phone. It has all the bloatware removed and works much better than the stock eclair rom.
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1. root your phone, install custom rom, remove the apps you want to remove (using Root Explorer or similiar)
2. the kernel boot screen can be changed, search for that;
3. the boot animation can be changed as well;
unbranded !

What about boot splash?

mrhaley30705 said:
What about boot splash?
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You can use odin to replace the param.lfs and then put an image of your choosing mobiletechvideos.com has a batch with all the stuff you need, plus a video to walk you through it. It makes it super simple. Check it out.

Andromeda or cognition. After trying both I went with Andromeda.
Good luck.
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