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Best ROM for G1. Don't Need the bs, Just Speed.

I currently have 5.0.8 on my G1. It runs terribly slow. All I want is a fast ROM. I want to be able to hit the home or back key and not have to wait 5 seconds for the phone to actually do it. I'm using automatic task killer too and I still have difficulty with performance.
Can anyone tell me what the best options are?

angasreid said:
I currently have 5.0.8 on my G1. It runs terribly slow. All I want is a fast ROM. I want to be able to hit the home or back key and not have to wait 5 seconds for the phone to actually do it. I'm using automatic task killer too and I still have difficulty with performance.
Can anyone tell me what the best options are?
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use swapper with swapiness 60 and some swap space (file), works great!

Just from my experience, stick with Android 1.6, don't go any higher than that
My opinion is that the G1's hardware was simply not meant nor is capable of running anything above Android 1.6 "well" and at a constant reliable speed.
I have used every ROM starting from JF 1.41 (Android 1.0) to the latest FroYo Roms (Android 2.2). I say the best, fastest and most stable ROM is SuperD (Android 1.6). I don't use the latest version of it... because the theme I love, DarkStar doesn't support it, but even my dated version of SuperD runs extremely well, I am certain the latest version of SuperD runs even better.
I have over 6000 text messages on my phone, I use all 5 screens on my home screen with a total of 10 widgets spread across them, including a Weather Clock which takes quite a bit of memory. Even so, the phone still loads everything very fast. (I do use CompCache and a 32 MB Swap)
I have stuck with SuperD for several months now and I am pretty convinced that this ROM is what I will use until the day I need to get a new phone, which is in half a year or so.

angasreid said:
I currently have 5.0.8 on my G1. It runs terribly slow. All I want is a fast ROM. I want to be able to hit the home or back key and not have to wait 5 seconds for the phone to actually do it. I'm using automatic task killer too and I still have difficulty with performance.
Can anyone tell me what the best options are?
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Fastest Roms on the G1 are probably Htcclays superbad 1.3.3 and SuperD
But if your looking for 2.1 roms I highly suggest Chromatic 3.8 by
far the fastest eclair rom for the g1.

enomther !!! 1.6 the original! speeedy and reliable!

anyone have a down load for any of enomther 1.6 or 2.1 roms? links seem to be dead and I've just returned to 2.22.23.02 trying to get t-mobile aosp while remaining rooted.

Anyone have the dl link for Htcclays superbad 1.3.3? And I don't understand the difference between superd white and black. Which ones better and faster?

http://files.androidspin.com/downloads.php?dir=htcclay/
It's somewhere in there
If you ever are looking for more ROMs look in:
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db.androidspin.com has mostly dead links

Multitasking ROM

Can somebody recommend me some nice ROM with decent multitasking? I don't care much about speed but I do care about keeping apps running in the background. I can't remember which ROM was my first one when I bought G1 back in January, but I remember multitasking was pretty good. Then I switched to Cyanogen 5 and tried different versions as they were released but all of them had appalling multitasking. I have now installed Complete Eclair and it's not really any better.
Just to clarify what I want to achieve - I want to be able to say open a website, go back to the home screen, open market and be able to switch back to the website exactly as it was when I left it. And then switch back to market and see it exactly as I left it. At the moment it's just not happening, every time I switch to any background application it sort of reloads itself. If your ROM can do this please let me know. Another thing - navigation. As far as I remember I used to be able to press power button to conserve battery and still have voice guidance. Now navigation gets killed as soon as I press power button. Again, if your ROM can do this properly please let me know.
I do need Exchange support so it will have to be at least 2.0 rom I suppose. The only Donut ROMs with Exchange support I have found are Sense ones and these are out of the question because of no BT support.
thanks

Probably not gonna find what you're looking for. Eclair and Froyo ROMs are so RAM intensive that not much room is left for decent multitasking. I'd say to try and use a giant SWAP partition and a modest compcache with whatever your favorite Eclair ROM is. This is gonna be dog slow most of the rest of the time though.

Isnt there an ap for 1.6 that lets you exchange sync im not sure but if there is remix cdvsi < somthin like that 40 mem when not using anythin wich i think is good ?

Turned out the latest Donut Cyanogen has Work Email which is good enough for me. I miss a few Eclair specific things but nothing too serious, so I guess problem solved.

Milestone ram management is horrible?

Im on got 2.2 but this happened to me with 2.1 too, is really annoying, multitasking is not executed well, my programs keep closing :/ 70-80% of the times i press the home button while im playing music+using the browser+using trillian or behive launcher pro loads the whole homescreen and widgets :/ , if switch to the browser, it reloads the websites or loads the homepage , am i doing something wrong?
i tought 256 mb wasnt that horrible for a smartphone

i blame android.
i was ok with my phone til the last week. i got an ipod touch 4g. 256mb only on that one and people complained it was a neutered iphone but damn it smokes my milestone in day to day tasks. granted it can't make a call, but im pretty pissed that android still lacks the optimization we need.

Chad_Petree said:
Im on got 2.2 but this happened to me with 2.1 too, is really annoying, multitasking is not executed well, my programs keep closing :/ 70-80% of the times i press the home button while im playing music+using the browser+using trillian or behive launcher pro loads the whole homescreen and widgets :/ , if switch to the browser, it reloads the websites or loads the homepage , am i doing something wrong?
i tought 256 mb wasnt that horrible for a smartphone
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Same thing happened to me on 2.2 but on 2.1 it runs very smooth... Try "Keep in memory" setting from Launcher Pro --> Preferences

is there any method to optimize the ram usage of android. i thought that a milestone is better then iphone, i still think it is,but if the android system dont get better, iphone will smoke all of us in the pipe.
the first thing i noticed when i holded my milestone in my hands was, damn is it fast and brilliant, better then the iphone, the same day i started modding and overclocking and things like that. i gave him a little too much vsel, .... and since then i think it has gotten slower :/ , maybe some of you had the same expirience

Guys, please consider the fact, that google has to optimize their OS for different smartphone setups from different manufacturers ... the iOS featured in the iPhone and iPod Touch has been completely optimized on their hardware, since iOS isnt featured outside the apple family of handhelds. Because of this, the optimisation and integration is WAY more comfortable, Google has a ****load of work to do to consider the many different phones besides their nexus one.
give it time guys. MIUI handles the memory management already pretty good, runs way more responsive that stock android.

It's problem of the apps and widget you are using, download a app call system pannel, you will find out many apps and widget take up so many ram.
and 2.2 got leak have a problem which make the launcher redraw so often.
for launcher pro, there is an options to keep it in memory.

vladstercr said:
Same thing happened to me on 2.2 but on 2.1 it runs very smooth... Try "Keep in memory" setting from Launcher Pro --> Preferences
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i just checked that option, it says its experimental tough , theres a couple of exta ptins:
memory usage preset: high,mediu,moderate,low...
homescreen cache type: normal compressed,light
Should i mess with this setings too?

Try4Ce said:
Guys, please consider the fact, that google has to optimize their OS for different smartphone setups from different manufacturers ... the iOS featured in the iPhone and iPod Touch has been completely optimized on their hardware, since iOS isnt featured outside the apple family of handhelds. Because of this, the optimisation and integration is WAY more comfortable, Google has a ****load of work to do to consider the many different phones besides their nexus one.
give it time guys. MIUI handles the memory management already pretty good, runs way more responsive that stock android.
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piss poor excuse. there's not much rocket science going into optimizing a homescreen smoothness.
The A4 chip the iPhone 4 uses is more similar to a Samsung Hummingbird.
The OMAP chip the 3GS uses is similar to the one we have in the Droid/Milestone.
The old ARM11 chips in the 2G/3G/iPod Touch 1g/2G/3g 8gb is different too.
The fact is Apple has accounted for 3 types of CPUs and while they are all ARM architecture, it's similar to the fact we have Qualcomm, TI, and Samsung CPUs floating around. Even Google's own Nexus One is piss poor smooth on the homescreen.
Granted here at XDA we've already ROMed the hell out of our phones, but the fact that I'm still ashamed when I whip out my Milestone just to show my friends Facebook, and they ALWAYS comment on how choppy it is despite my 1100mhz overclock or whatever. I'll even reboot just before hanging out with them just in case I need to do some stuff. Android is just too freaking slow.

i am using cronos froyo 1.5 and i must say i am suprised, it is a good rom, fast and stabil,and trust me i testes many roms, maybe all?
so is there a way of modifing a rom (maybe cronos) to get rid of all the services that are not needed for a normal user? maybe it would be more ram available this way... aint it?

I think that 256 mb ram are enough. Try eclair mod v0.3b. It is very fast and i get about 110mb free ram. I use Advanced task killer and Estrong task manager. I have them both on my homescreen and when i tap them both I get 110mb ram free.

ram
the task killer is an option i dont want to use, because android should manage that him self, but maybe tere are some services that are not needed, so we can delete them, and make a slim rom. do someone know what services are not needed, and how we can wipe them?

Granted here at XDA we've already ROMed the hell out of our phones, but the fact that I'm still ashamed when I whip out my Milestone just to show my friends Facebook, and they ALWAYS comment on how choppy it is despite my 1100mhz overclock or whatever. I'll even reboot just before hanging out with them just in case I need to do some stuff. Android is just too freaking slow.
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Ha ha I have to do that exact same thing, so embarrassing as it always happens just after I've sung praises for Android!

Yriel40k said:
I think that 256 mb ram are enough. Try eclair mod v0.3b. It is very fast and i get about 110mb free ram. I use Advanced task killer and Estrong task manager. I have them both on my homescreen and when i tap them both I get 110mb ram free.
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On milestone? Don't believe it. Pleas post some screenshots so I can be amazed

As Milestone has really terrible hardware spec (cpu, ram, flash) I am still hoping someone would start to build ultra-lite version of the android without any non-essential services running, applications on flash, launchers, wallpapers, etc.
Regarding the multitasking - yes when I try to open second app I am holding my breath whether the first one will get killed or will survive

IMO it was depend on which rom u were used.

Try live home for launcher its pretty fast and handles multitasking
Sent from my Milestone using XDA App

Do you use any weather and clock widgets-if yes there is a option called refresh when home is pressed you disable it and your screen would come alive much faster.
Sent from my Milestone using XDA App

I have never be success on milestone, always restarting

I would say it probably more have to do with Motorola for not taking the effort to optimize Android's software for the Milestone, my friend X8 is smoother than mine despite having only 168MB(!) of RAM and he used live wallpapers too. 2.2 also for some reason seems to be very sluggish as compared to 2.1/2.3
Anyway I also believe that because of our higher resolution screen (854 x 480), more RAM is needed as more resource is needed for greater resolution and phones usually reserved more RAM (slightly) for connectivity purposes (cell tower) which lead to a "shortage" of free RAM on our milestone.
Though no doubt, I would say iOS have a slightly better memory management than Android but Android is not that bad given that the Nexus One prior to 2.2/2.3, the amount of RAM available for them is 40mb less than Milestone due to a bug but it still flies. Shows alot that effort to optimize by the OEMs matter more rather than Android itself.

G1 ROM with JIT simple interface?

I'm looking for a fast ROM, battery is not so important, with JIT compiling that's stable....anything anyone can suggest?
Currently using Super AOSP (using it now, some apps don't run, otherwise stable). Radio=27.08, Haykuro SPL....
Most of the loads I've tried are either buggy or I can't load them for one reason or another (A lot of roms fail during load - is that my phone?)
I don't need a lot of bells and whistles, I do EMAIL, I do Web Surf and play an occasional game, but I don't really need lots of other things, I would gladly give up visuals for some increased speed - currently 2.6 MFLOPS (Linpack free).
Thanks.

best I can do for now....4 MFLOPS on G1
I think I found the best for me right now, Ginger Yoshi gives me 4 MFLOPS, which is not as good as I wanted, but I've set my sites lower.
It is very smooth - it does not feel refined, don't need it, everything works.
I can recommend SuperAosp, it is very refined, everything looks finished. It is not nearly as fast as Ginger Yoshi, but it is pretty and stable.
I did try several other loads, and I'm thankful that there are developers out ther, so I won't mention names, but at least one of these loads gets a lot of press on here and on my phone, I'd call it buggy.
Super Aosp and Ginger Yoshi are both stable.

It sounds funny, but try turning off JIT. It seems to make roms a lot more stable; I'd guess the G1 just isn't up to snuff for JIT. It makes benchmarks lower, but in practice it works much smoother.

Thanks for the reply!
I am turning off JIT...Then let the phone sit for a couple of mins to finish any housekeeping.
Ginger-Yoshi
JIT = Yes, Speed = 4.1 MFLOPS
JIT = No, Speed = 2.45 MFLOPS
Odd note, one of my non JIT runs ran at 1.6 MFLOPS, I didn't count it since it was so far out, not sure if there was housekeeping going on or what.
Second note, disabling JIT did make installations more stable - I was unable to install and sometimes download a specific application, disabling JIT allowed it to D/L and install.
Super-AOSP
JIT = Yes, Speed = 2.6 MFLOPS
1.6 Google - Rooted, speed to 528 MHz
2.4 MFLOPS
1.6 Google stock
1.4 MFLOPS
I've never run 2.0 or 2.1 so I don't know how they stack up, they do not have JIT, so maybe they are more efficient.
What I really wanted was a 1.6 OS with everything moved to the SD card AND JIT and CPU set to 528 MHz otherwise stock, I expect that is about as fast as this phone can go.
My limited experience:
I can't speak for anyone else but Super-Aosp and Ginger-Yoshi are very stable.
I tried several others that were not so stable, though they have lots of loyal fans, maybe their phones are better than mine.
I agree that we should be able to build a tight system without JIT that is faster, efficiency is the key.
A buddy of mine, has a very fast Android LG Optimus phone - it fly's he can run all sorts of animation, applications etc. and it doesn't seem to affect the speed of the phone...He runs 9 MFLOPS which is WAY above what everyone else with the same phone has...he told me that he isn't modifying the subroutines/calls, he's sort of linking scripts to make things run more efficiently. He's a physicist not a programmer.
He just constantly tinkers with it though - some bits are buggy, it's just a hobby for him, he has development tools right on the phone
My current Ginger-Yoshi runs just over 4 MFLOPS, which is less than I wanted but all I can find so far.

JIT is NOT a good match for this hardware, for the simple reason that JIT consumes more RAM.
What you have is a piece of hardware that is SEVERELY RAM LIMITED. Eating up even more of it causes necessary components to be booted out of memory, which ends up causing long periods of WAITING while those components RELOAD. It can also lead to instability, since the available memory will IN MANY CASES, be insufficient for loading even a single program into memory.
Counting FLOPS is a very poor measure of overall system performance. I would bet you that in terms of overall usability and wasted user time waiting, your phone will actually be FASTER with JIT DISABLED.
Ignore FLOPS. It is irrelevant.

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Ignore FLOPS. It is irrelevant.
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I appreciate your argument and I 100% agree that the phone is ram limited, can you suggest another build that does not use JIT?
My current Ginger-Yoshi is faster and smoother than any 1.6 I've run (I have not run Super D, that was going to be my next target if G-Y was buggy).
That goes back to my original reason for this post...fast enough to play angry birds or whatever I'm doing.
You say to ignore FLOPS, that is the fairest test That I know for different phones,<Millions of> Floating Point Operations Per Second..that bypasses graphics co-processors and gets down the the meat of what's going on inside.
If you can suggest a ROM that runs better than G-Y I am very willing to try it, but right now the very best ROM I've tried is G-Y (not perfect but better than Anything I've run on this phone).

GolfnWrx said:
I appreciate your argument and I 100% agree that the phone is ram limited, can you suggest another build that does not use JIT?
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I would expect that you can switch on/off JIT in your settings, so you can try if for you JIT helps or not. G-Y doesn't provide this? (Sorry for the question, but I've never tried it ...)
If there is no option within the ROM, you could add
Code:
dalvik.vm.execution-mode=int:fast
to you /system/build.prop to disable JIT, or
Code:
dalvik.vm.execution-mode=int:jit
to enable JIT.
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haha, sorry I guess I was not clear
yes, i can enable/disable JIT....what I was asking for though was a stable build that is faster than 2.5 MFLOPS.
There were some people last year that found a way to script one of the roms to be more efficient....IIRC they were able to get up to 3.7 MFLOPS....but I don't see them around any more....no JIT it was a rebuild of 1.6 I think..maybe 2.1, I just don't recall.
That might be the best way to go, or they might have hit an error...I didn't keep up with it.
Thanks for the reply though

So you want a script to spoof Linpack?
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dhkr234 said:
JIT is NOT a good match for this hardware, for the simple reason that JIT consumes more RAM.
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Overall my opinion on JIT (vs. android version)
1.6 - caused some apps problems otherwise seemed the same w/ or w/o jit.. maybe more ram and slower
2.1 - extra ram caused problems with services and slow load times.. improvement at run time minimal.
2.2 - improvement at runtime noticeable but still high memory use and very slow load times
2.3 - incrreased memory use and loadtimes; but more minimal than earlier versions; with screen andimations off/fast perfomance may be acceptibal to many given the better performance of the browser and other higher processing tasks. [at least in a light weight rom]
(Of course this is my opinion durring use .. not a linpack score)

Honeycomb theming vs Honeycomb ROM

Besides the obvious access to particular Honeycomb apps, what other benefits does Honeycomb offer on our G-Tabs?
I ask because it seems like some people prefer Honeycombs GUI but I also noticed that one is able to theme their tablets to look like Honeycomb while staying on a non-Honeycomb based ROM.

What tipped it for me to go ahead and install the Bottle of Smoke alpha:
- improved widgets, including scrollable Gmail previewer
- Gmail app is fantastic
- access to 3.0-only tablet-optimized apps (like Touchdown for my Exchange email)
- laying out the homescreens is easier since you can preview the widgets
Just a couple of things I've discovered (I just applied this ROM yesterday...):
- improved Market interface
- HC themes approach but do not fully capture the "holographic" feel of HC
-the notification system is different enough that I'm not sure whether I like it better or not.
I'm not mentioning the particular quirks of the BoS alpha - there are threads here and elsewhere that chronicle those. They should definitely be part of your decision, as it takes a good measure of patience to deal with.

I went to the Century Eyes Rom by roebeet, and I'm loving it. It gives me the tablet feel with no bugs. I do miss the market and Youtube apps from honeycomb though.
(Century Eyes = Notion Ink Adam's EdenUI)

Although being just an alpha and lacking flash support, I don't see myself moving away from BOS anytime soon. Granted quite few areas still have bugs to be worked out, visual asthetics alone have me hooked on roebeets rom. Not to mention it surprisingly runs very well vs. coming from vegan rc1. I have live wallpaper going, of course oc-ed, and I can still play game any for the most part with little to no lag. The menu/context menu layout for adding/changing wallpaper, active/recent apps menu, default keyboard, and default browser ease of use are my main reasons for sticking with it. If you want a rom with minute issues, this one is obviosly not for you. But if you can sacrifice a random reboot every other day and don't watch youtube all the time like me, BOS is a keeper and will only get better.
Edit: I should also note that my gtab is mostly for recreational use. A friend of a friend bought it bout a month ago now, tried doing something without proper knowledge, soft-bricked it, gave it to my friend who in turn gave it to me while the original owner bought an Ipad a week later. So I dont find it appropriate to use the term 'daily driver' since I see it as a very fun toy currently so my opinion on ROMs should include this.

In all honesty, I would have been mad if I hadn't found such a good modding community for this device. The stock is terrible.

So i have the BoS alpha installed , it runs very smooth - the only real FC come from open-gl not being available yet, well that and the apps that arent compatible with the nvidia kernel in general... i hope this helps a bit, if not please let me know exactly what apps your planning on using, and ill test them and post a video on youtube for you to see how well they run. my channel on youtube is ( youtube.com/itsnothowyoudie ) the latest video shows the homescreen and a couple apps including the scrolling gmail, which btw is great.
ps. one thing that has annoyed me, not being able to resize the widgets (;

I am also running Century Eyes. It offers the tablet feel, with improved resolution over all other Froyo ROMs. The resolution and the scrollable widgets are the best of Honeycomb, but I need Hardware Acceleration for flash. I use the streaming TV and movie apps, and it is required that you have flash enabled.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb-C27sIuX0&feature=player_embedded#t=0s

I am running the Evervol GB ROM with the Honeycomb 3D-SBicons theme and it looks so much like HC that you wouldn't believe it. Especially when using Launcher Pro with scrollable widgets. Amazing! Plus, almost everything works (flash, camera, both sd cards, usb to pc, etc.).

I also like honeycombs browser which syncs my bookmarks with the chrome browser. Been waiting for android to do this, I have tons of bookmarks on my computer so this helps a lot. The new 4.1 version of bottle of smoke is very smooth and works very well for me.

I think I'll wait until one of the Honeycomb ROMs hits final release. I need it to be able to do everything I can currently do in froyo before switching (open GL, flash, video playback, etc...)

Good ROM
Sidriel said:
I went to the Century Eyes Rom by roebeet, and I'm loving it. It gives me the tablet feel with no bugs. I do miss the market and Youtube apps from honeycomb though.
(Century Eyes = Notion Ink Adam's EdenUI)
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Refering to battery, the best rom i think, i dont like the hidding status bar and i couldnt use the long search whit other programs, I like this rom so much i hope it could be fixed!!

EL TEJANO said:
Besides the obvious access to particular Honeycomb apps, what other benefits does Honeycomb offer on our G-Tabs?
I ask because it seems like some people prefer Honeycombs GUI but I also noticed that one is able to theme their tablets to look like Honeycomb while staying on a non-Honeycomb based ROM.
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To answer the OPs post: Froyo gave genuine performance improvements and features i.e. batterly life, reduced sluggishness, Flash (which had limited support on earlier Android IIRC), but AFAIK Honeycomb gives mostly UI improvements -scrollable widgets, etc. However, some of those 'UI improvements' are also significant improvements in how the tablet is used as well as how it looks (i.e. UI = user INTERFACE and not just how the home screen looks).
See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
Honeycomb on gTab has some tradeoffs, but if you want to keep all the Froyo functionality you can try different launchers on any ROM, although I'm sure Froyo launchers have limitations when compared to the Honeycomb launchers. I am currently using VTL launcher on Vegan 5.1.1 (Froyo), I would not call it a 'Honeycomb Replacement' but the ROM (Vegan 5.1.1) is way better than the stock ROM and the launcher (VTL) is way better than the stock launcher, and everything that I need still works, including camera, keyboard, video, and PvZ.
For ideas on setting up your launcher/home screen see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=862030

Recommend Honeycomb FlashBack or GtabComb,
You basically won't have camera functionality and some Flash won't work in browser. Most Games will work, the cool 3d ones at least.
Just give it a try, its as easy double clicking the nvflash exe

I switched back from GTABcomb to cm7 because there is one particular app didnt support. The back support is not that good. On the good side, you have everything mention here by other members but flash is only playable through opera browser and no HW acc. The sound is louder too on HC and screen more responsive.

I'm running FB 5.5. Visually, it is more satisfying than GB or Froyo.
Gmail widget and app handles email better.
Stock Calendar app and calender widget is better as well.
YouTube and Market HC is visually better as well.
Flash works in browser opera and stock.

qkster said:
I'm running FB 5.5. Visually, it is more satisfying than GB or Froyo.
Gmail widget and app handles email better.
Stock Calendar app and calender widget is better as well.
YouTube and Market HC is visually better as well.
Flash works in browser opera and stock.
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Not to mention the Netflix 1.3 apk works perfectly now, all youtube vids play in full screen, No sleep of death, etc. TV.com acts weird and runs small like it's on a phone but I may play around with different versions. At this point the only thing I'm really missing is the camera. To be honest I think I only want it because I can't have it. I'd probably go 6 months without using it if it worked. I did notice that FB 5.5 runs a bit slower than GTABComb 3.2. I got 3345 quad score on GTABComb with the built in OC script where I get about 2450 with SetCPU at 1400mhz on FB 5.5. Overall I feel like both of these HC roms have evolved to a point where the leary should jump in and give them a shot. You won't be missing much and what you gain is seeing your tablet run visually the way it was meant to.

Currently running GTabComb 3.2 and it's pretty good. Stable, quick. Been considering Illuminate as well. I will say HC is such a slicker interface over Froyo or GB. I definitely would like to stick with HC now that I've played with it.