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Ok well I am considering purchasing a unlocked AT&T Tilt, but I have been reading a bit about the 3G. Currently I am a T-Mobile customer and have read they will be operating on a different band frequency for their 3G. T-Mobile will be using 1700/2100MHZ while AT&T operates on 1900/2100MHZ. Will the 3G on the phone still be compatible?
Please someone clear this up
Appreciate it
Kaiser uses (under the Band options for the phone settings)
GSM (So gprs, edge) 850, 900, 1800, 1900.
UMTS (3G, HSPDA where available) 800, 850, 1900, 2100.
So it would be partially compatible, but only on 1900 cells, not the 1700 ones. These might co-exist like in the UK where some operators use all the frequencies for better bandwidth, or they might not. I'd check with T-Mobile what frequencies are operating in the areas you'll use the phone.
Well I live in the US and they still have not rolled out the 3G network here, they said sometime by summer. So if they use 2100 then the 3G still should be able to work? Since they still will be using the frequency except the 1900.
So good news for all Diamond euro owners in LA (and other places of course)...the tmobile network supports the 2100mhz band for 3G so no need for a US version!!
http://support.t-mobile.com/knowbase/root/public/tm23715.htm#7
Sorry if this is old news, but i just realized it =)
this is great if true?
T-Mobile devices use the 1700Mhz/2100Mhz frequency band (for 3G) and I thought Europe 3G devices use 900Mhz/2100Mhz. Could U clarify further...
you said it correct...tmobile does use 1700mhz/2100mhz, and the euro diamond supports 2100mhz which should work since tmobile will be using it...i spoke to a tmobile tier 2 rep, he confirmed it as well...
That can't be right. T-Mobile AWS 3G uses the 1700 MHz band for uplink and 2100 MHz for downlink. I doubt T-Mobile US set up aside any channels in the 2100 MHz band as uplink channels.
It's kind of academic, as I can't get 3G on T-Mobile USA using a Euro Diamond in NYC, where we've had 3G deployed for a few months now. I've never heard of anyone else doing it either. Oddly, there's a "UMTS(1700)" selection in the band settings in the phone control panel, but if I try selecting that, it just jumps back to using T-Mobile's normal PCS band with EDGE for data.
If that tier 2 tech can get you onto AWS 3G with your Diamond, definitely let us all know about it, but don't get your hopes up too high.
Drachen said:
That can't be right. T-Mobile AWS 3G uses the 1700 MHz band for uplink and 2100 MHz for downlink. I doubt T-Mobile US set up aside any channels in the 2100 MHz band as uplink channels.
It's kind of academic, as I can't get 3G on T-Mobile USA using a Euro Diamond in NYC, where we've had 3G deployed for a few months now. I've never heard of anyone else doing it either. Oddly, there's a "UMTS(1700)" selection in the band settings in the phone control panel, but if I try selecting that, it just jumps back to using T-Mobile's normal PCS band with EDGE for data.
If that tier 2 tech can get you onto AWS 3G with your Diamond, definitely let us all know about it, but don't get your hopes up too high.
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AWS?? well the tier 2 tech did say it...i dont know if he was just talking out of his ass or not...but we'll see in the coming weeks...ill try to get tmobile rep on the phone again to ask them how i can get it...or if i can, even though its supported..
Malik05 said:
AWS?? well the tier 2 tech did say it...i dont know if he was just talking out of his ass or not...but we'll see in the coming weeks...ill try to get tmobile rep on the phone again to ask them how i can get it...or if i can, even though its supported..
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As I understand it, if a phone says it supports 2100 it is referring to the UMTS Band 1 used in Europe which is 1920-1980MHz Uplink & 2110-2170Mhz Downlink (see UMTS Frequency Bands - Wikipedia). The 1700AWS Band (UMTS Band 4) uses 1710-1755MHz Uplink and 2110-2155MHz Downlink. So, while they do overlap some they are not identical (A Visual Guide to AWS - PhoneScoop)
So, I don't believe that a phone with 2100 EU support will work with T-Mobile 3G because it doesn't support the 'right' 2100 nor the 1700. Likewise, I don't believe that a phone with 1700 support will work for 2100 EU.
If you want to get technical the "US" Diamond won't work for 3g on T-Mobile either. The 3g band is only for 850/1900. (so i guess we're screwed either way) I'm in Salt Lake City and I don't believe Utah is slated to get 3g until 2009 at this point. I bought the diamond knowing full well that 3g was going to be a slim possibility on this phone. However, a user with a DIAM100 is claming that he's been getting 3g service on T-Mobile in NJ. He said that he'd post screenshots.. I don't know if he's done that or not. I guess all we can do is wait and see.
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If you want to get technical the "US" Diamond won't work for 3g on T-Mobile either. The 3g band is only for 850/1900. (so i guess we're screwed either way) I'm in Salt Lake City and I don't believe Utah is slated to get 3g until 2009 at this point. I bought the diamond knowing full well that 3g was going to be a slim possibility on this phone. However, a user with a DIAM100 is claming that he's been getting 3g service on T-Mobile in NJ. He said that he'd post screenshots.. I don't know if he's done that or not. I guess all we can do is wait and see.
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Do you know who this user is? maybe i can PM him and get some details...i knew i wasn't going to get 3G with the diamond, but after talking to the rep. i kind of want to look into it more since there may be a possibility.
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If you want to get technical the "US" Diamond won't work for 3g on T-Mobile either. The 3g band is only for 850/1900. (so i guess we're screwed either way) I'm in Salt Lake City and I don't believe Utah is slated to get 3g until 2009 at this point. I bought the diamond knowing full well that 3g was going to be a slim possibility on this phone. However, a user with a DIAM100 is claming that he's been getting 3g service on T-Mobile in NJ. He said that he'd post screenshots.. I don't know if he's done that or not. I guess all we can do is wait and see.
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Honestly I'm gonna go ahead and call BS on him for that, I've never heard of anyone getting T-Mobile 3G and I know quite a few people with the Diamond/Raphael on T-Mobile in 3G areas.
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As I understand it, if a phone says it supports 2100 it is referring to the UMTS Band 1 used in Europe which is 1920-1980MHz Uplink & 2110-2170Mhz Downlink (see UMTS Frequency Bands - Wikipedia). The 1700AWS Band (UMTS Band 4) uses 1710-1755MHz Uplink and 2110-2155MHz Downlink. So, while they do overlap some they are not identical (A Visual Guide to AWS - PhoneScoop)
So, I don't believe that a phone with 2100 EU support will work with T-Mobile 3G because it doesn't support the 'right' 2100 nor the 1700. Likewise, I don't believe that a phone with 1700 support will work for 2100 EU.
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I have the USA sold "quad band" euro diamond distributed by htc USA. This is essentially re-flashed euro diamond hardware sold to support american networks, not the 850/1900 newest USA 3G diamond compatable with AT&T. I have looked into this issue and also talked to T-mobile and there seems to be alot of confusion regarding T-mobile's AWS USA 3G network (or maybe they have simply confused me). Here is what I have found out: Assuming they are correct, they are telling me 3G voice for T-mobile usa runs in both the 1700 AND 1900 mhz band, and therefore my euro diamond shoud be supported at 1900mhz for voice 3g support. This 1900mhz is part of the "quad band" voice radio hardware on the euro diamond. Data (AWS 3G for USA) "HSDPA" , which T-mobile has not yet released, runs in the 2100mhz bandwidth, and Data AWS "HSUPA 3g" runs in the 1700mhz bandwidth. Therefore my hardware would not support HSUPA @ 1700mhz, but would support the HSDPA @ 2100mhz. As to the idea that euro bandwidths are different than USA bandwidths, well apparently they are. For example "2100mhz" networks in europe might be actually using 2110mhz-2170mhz, whereas in the USA T-mobile's network may use 2100-2140mhz actual bands. However because these are close and still in the 2100mhz band, there should still be compatability with 2100mhz hardware radios regardless of networks varying the bandwidth slightly.
Of course this may be too optimistic, but it would be very cool if true and I am hoping for the best .
sureloch said:
I have the USA sold "quad band" euro diamond distributed by htc USA. This is essentially re-flashed euro diamond hardware sold to support american networks, not the 850/1900 newest USA 3G diamond compatable with AT&T. I have looked into this issue and also talked to T-mobile and there seems to be alot of confusion regarding T-mobile's AWS USA 3G network (or maybe they have simply confused me). Here is what I have found out: Assuming they are correct, they are telling me 3G voice for T-mobile usa runs in both the 1700 AND 1900 mhz band, and therefore my euro diamond shoud be supported at 1900mhz for voice 3g support. This 1900mhz is part of the "quad band" voice radio hardware on the euro diamond. Data (AWS 3G for USA) "HSDPA" , which T-mobile has not yet released, runs in the 2100mhz bandwidth, and Data AWS "HSUPA 3g" runs in the 1700mhz bandwidth. Therefore my hardware would not support HSUPA @ 1700mhz, but would support the HSDPA @ 2100mhz. As to the idea that euro bandwidths are different than USA bandwidths, well apparently they are. For example "2100mhz" networks in europe might be actually using 2110mhz-2170mhz, whereas in the USA T-mobile's network may use 2100-2140mhz actual bands. However because these are close and still in the 2100mhz band, there should still be compatability with 2100mhz hardware radios regardless of networks varying the bandwidth slightly.
Of course this may be too optimistic, but it would be very cool if true and I am hoping for the best .
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Unfortunately, they've provided you some bad information. Each frequency band/range has a pair of uplink and downlink frequencies - you can't use one without the other - you have to use both. Generally, the uplink and downlink frequencies are relatively close to each other however, the 1700 AWS band has uplink and downlink spread quite a distance apart. Uplink is in the 1700MHz range, downlink is in the 2100MHz range and both have to be used. In the US, 1700 & 2100 is essentially one band.
1900MHz (the PCS band) isn't 3G for T-Mobile (although they technically could put it there at some point.) Right now, 1900MHz for T-Mobile is EDGE voice and data. Most other carriers do have 3G on the 1900MHz band, T-Mobile just doesn't have enough spectrum available in that band.
In short: A phone that supports UMTS 2100 will not work for T-Mobile US 3G. A phone that supports AWS/UMTS 1700 will work for T-Mobile US 3G but not for European 2100 3G. (And 1900MHz PCS will give you traditional EDGE on T-Mobile US.)
Malik05 said:
Do you know who this user is? maybe i can PM him and get some details...i knew i wasn't going to get 3G with the diamond, but after talking to the rep. i kind of want to look into it more since there may be a possibility.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427755
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2610960#post2610960
Hi,
I'm really in the dark about these things, but I'm about to purchase an unlocked diamond.
Will it support the ATT 3g band?
believe it support att as the iphone works in the rest of the world too with 3g
so att must be using the same bands as the rest of the world
If you purchased a European version then no, you wont get ATT 3g.
If you purchased a US version then yes, it does. Make sure to check the spec sheet when you buy and see if the band 850mhz/1900mhz is listed under 3G.
Yes, 850 and 1900 mhz are supported.
That is the answer I was looking for.
Is there a definitive way to tell if the phone is a US version or a European version based on the IMEI or anything on that info sticker in the battery compartment>?
Why not get a Sprint Diamond?
My university subsidizes the ATT plans...
The least expensive as I found, with "USA Version" clearly marked:
http://www.smggsm.com/htc-p3700-touch-usa-3g-diamond-unlocked-tri-band-phone.html
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The least expensive as I found, with "USA Version" clearly marked:
http://www.smggsm.com/htc-p3700-touch-usa-3g-diamond-unlocked-tri-band-phone.html
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This Webpage is Wrong! This link shows a P3700 & states that it operates on UMTS 850 & 1900. PDADB.net states that the P3700 {AKA DIAM100} operates @ UMTS 900 & 2100. The US version is the DIAM110 & operates on the 850 & 1900 UMTS bands. check the comparisons:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1311&view=1&c=htc_touch_diamond_p3700_htc_diamond_100
No, you'll need to go with a carrier like T-Mobile who support the same frequencies as the international version (I assume, I haven't checked them recently).
T-Mobile has a 2100 MHz band but it's paired with 1700 MHz for AWS so I'm not sure if that would actually work.
The 1900 MHz band would get reception from AT&T, although only in areas where they're using 1900, probably in the city.
That's just for 3G though. If you don't need 3G then T-Mobile and AT&T are both GSM carriers.
you will have 2g coverage with at&t and tmobile, and some 3g with at&t, when you have wcdma 1900 coverage... that's about it
I suck at knowing these radios. But, if you are visiting friends, what you can try to do is borrow their sims from different carriers for 5 minutes and see what works in the area(s) you visit. Just an out of the box thought.
AT&T is using 850/1900MHz 3G/UMTS bands (if i'm not mistaken),
i9000 international version supports 3G/UMTS 900/1900/2100 MHz, 850MHz not included.
so I think you are not able to use the 3G network, but the GSM should be working find although it's much slower.
Yup
That's why us USA folks have to wait for either a USA or Australian Variant of the device.
Thanks a lot for all your replies! I was hoping Samsung would be lazy and build the same radio in all of it's devices. Guess I was wrong. Still, thanks a lot, I'll see how well it works with 2G.
Is there still no way to change the UMTS band on European Galaxies so they work in the US?
Nope. You would have to hardware mod the phone.
They already do on 1900 att and thats that
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Is there still no way to change the UMTS band on European Galaxies so they work in the US?
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I know this is an old thread, but I was looking for information about what modems are for what phones and came across it and thought that as an AT&T customer, I should clarify some information.
Most of AT&T 3G network uses 1900 MHz. AT&T is also "overlaying" 850 MHz over their existing 1900 MHz to increase capacity. There may be some 850 MHz only locations, but I am not aware of any. For the most part, if your phone supports UMTS1900, you should be able to get 3G anywhere that AT&T's map shows 3G availability.
nkrick said:
I know this is an old thread, but I was looking for information about what modems are for what phones and came across it and thought that as an AT&T customer, I should clarify some information.
Most of AT&T 3G network uses 1900 MHz. AT&T is also "overlaying" 850 MHz over their existing 1900 MHz to increase capacity. There may be some 850 MHz only locations, but I am not aware of any. For the most part, if your phone supports UMTS1900, you should be able to get 3G anywhere that AT&T's map shows 3G availability.
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if you bought a i9000m from canada. you can use UGKC1 or UGJL2 modem to enable 850
im currently on at&t using i9000m with ZSJPG modem with 850mhz enabled
Just 1900Mhz isn't all that great, kinda slow and spotty. Don't get me wrong, it's usable, but 850 is significantly faster/better at least where I live.
I have an I9000M but occasionally use a modem without 850, and it's not as good.
While there are roundabout ways to get 850 on other modems, I usually use one of the Bell ones like JL2 or KC1.
I am using jl2. kc1 did not work reliably with my microcell and would instead keep trying to pull in weak signal thus sucking battery. As for 850mhz only.. most of the I93 corridor on new England is 850mhz only.
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Frostshock said:
T-Mobile has a 2100 MHz band but it's paired with 1700 MHz for AWS so I'm not sure if that would actually work.
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It's not paired. It's a single band that uses 1700 MHz for upload and 2100 MHz for download. Just like the international 2100 Mhz band uses 2100 MHz for download and 1900 MHz for upload.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
So just to clarify, my stock i9000m, running 2.3.3 and UGKG3 will get 3G in southern California on both the 850 and 1900 bands? UGKG3 can use both bands?
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I purchased a jailbroken AT&T Tilt 2 online but Im using T Mobile service and I was told that I wouldn't be able to access the T Mobile 3g Network with this device. Could someone verify that this true or if not can someone give me some tips on how to set it up on my device.
Its true, because I have a Tilt 2 unlocked to T-Mobile as well. Is there a way to get 3G speeds, I don't know. But honestly, I've never really noticed a difference. But then again, I do stay away from data heavy sites like Youtube and whatnot.
Hmm, interesting question. The main issue is whether the phone has the right bands to connect to the 3G network in question. Its a hardware issue, and either the phone has the right bands built into the chipset or it doesn't. There is no way to change this with software or by changing settings.
T-Mob uses 1700 and 2100 MHz bands, where ATT uses 850 and 1900 MHz bands. HOWEVER, the ATT branded Tilt 2 also has the 2100 MHz band for international use. If your T-Mob service area is on the 2100 MHz bands, its possible (if you area is on 1700 MHz, its not going to work no matter what). In theory, it SHOULD work. I've made many trips to Japan, which uses 2100 MHZ for both voice and data, and my Tilt 2 (and old Tilt before it) has always worked flawlessly on their networks.
But whether it really works or not, I have no idea. Searching around the net yields some posts on other forums asking the same exact question, with conflicting answers (perhaps somebody on here can enlighten?). My gut says, its either its going to work or its not, it shouldn't take any additional setup. Have you tried it yet?
But in short, it was a mistake to buy the ATT branded version. You should have bought the T-Mob branded Touch Pro 2.
Oh, and wrong subforum, BTW. This has nothing to do with ROM development. This should be in the Touch Pro 2, Tilt 2 General forum. But don't cross post there, the mods will probably move this thread over there for you.
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T-Mob uses 1700 and 2100 MHz bands, where ATT uses 850 and 1900 MHz bands. HOWEVER, the ATT branded Tilt 2 also has the 2100 MHz band for international use. If your T-Mob service area is on the 2100 MHz bands, its possible (if you area is on 1700 MHz, its not going to work no matter what). In theory, it SHOULD work. I've made many trips to Japan, which uses 2100 MHZ for both voice and data, and my Tilt 2 (and old Tilt before it) has always worked flawlessly on their networks.
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The 2100 MHz band you're referring to is different on both companies' devices. For T-Mobile, 2100MHz is the upload frequency. The worldphone AT&T 2100MHz band is a download frequency. 3G requires 2 frequencies to operate in that manner.
The 2100MHz frequency is accompanied by the 1900MHz frequency for uploads. The AT&T Tilt2 has this frequency set to allow both.
As for Japan, I didn't know they were on the 2100MHz band. I've only every seen a couple of companies on 850, 1500, or 1700 MHz. Where were you that you used 2100MHz or which company? I just like to keep up on where the bands are useful when I make trips to Asia.
Ahh, that's right, I think I did read somewhere, that the 1700/2100 MHz bands are used by T-Mob as download/upload. Not like ATT, where which of the 850,1900 MHz band is used for 3G depends on the geographic location/market.
That means the OP is SOL on getting 3G on the Tilt2, right? He would need BOTH the 1700 and 2100 MHz bands on his phone?
Japan uses 2100 MHz exclusively, standardized nationwide, as far as I know. Same with South Korea (although ATT lists that one carrier in S. Korea also uses CDMA 1800, not sure what the deal with that is).
If the 2100 MHz band on the ATT Tilt 2 is just for download, wouldn't this mean that my phone would not be able to connect to the data network in Japan?
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Ahh, that's right, I think I did read somewhere, that the 1700/2100 MHz bands are used by T-Mob as download/upload. Not like ATT, where which of the 850,1900 MHz band is used for 3G depends on the geographic location/market.
That means the OP is SOL on getting 3G on the Tilt2, right? He would need BOTH the 1700 and 2100 MHz bands on his phone?
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Exactly right. It's a hardware problem, not software as some people think. I seem to answer this question at least once a week here. lol The radio chip is different for each model of the Rhodium. That's one of the differences between the several versions.
Japan uses 2100 MHz exclusively, standardized nationwide, as far as I know. Same with South Korea (although ATT lists that one carrier in S. Korea also uses CDMA 1800, not sure what the deal with that is).
If the 2100 MHz band on the ATT Tilt 2 is just for download, wouldn't this mean that my phone would not be able to connect to the data network in Japan?
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It depends on what the network is set up as. 3G worldwide requires two bands to operate because of the bandwidth. GPRS and EDGE only require one. If this 2100 MHz frequency is one of the later, then it will work just fine. If this is a 3G band, then it is VERY likely to be paired with the 1900MHz frequency range. That's on GSM, anyway. I'm not 100% sure what CDMA frequencies are their.