Motorola Defy Extended Battery idea - Defy Accessories

Since the Motorola Defy uses the same battery as the Droid X, you can order a 1750 mah battery here at http://www.seidioonline.com/product-p/basi17mtdx.htm for way better life.

anyone tried yet?

Theoretically, then we could also use battery from Motorola Atrix which uses a massive 1900mah. No?

The Droid X battery is a BH5X
The Defy is a BF5X (at least the uk one I have is)
I'm not saying they wont fit the Defy, but it would be nice know from someone who has tried if they do,before stumping up the cash?
There is a BH6X Motorola extended battery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTbb2f81_HI
This might fit also?
UPDATE
OK it looks like the Droid X battery has flat contacts,
and the Defy has the blades that fits into slots in the battery.
So even though its the same physical size and shape it
won't fit without a bit of serious hacking?
So clever of Motorola to make each of their products so individual and different. You cant help but feel a little special
in owning one. ;-)
BH5X
http://www.trait-tech.com/product/T-BH-5X/

that would be very nice as battery life is allready quite tidy on the defy, dont see why it shouldnt work tho might give it a try

Perhaps we can ask tenfar or another chinese from this forum who know if there exist good batteries in china...
MfG Nice.InSane
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Found this batterie for the Defy: http://cgi.ebay.com/Battery-fr-Moto...=280614675200&ps=63&clkid=6344532696864102447
100% positiv feedback!
MfG Nice.InSane

2pcs Battery + Charger + usb cable for Motorola BF5X MB520 Bravo MB525 Defy (13$ inc)
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190486210352#ht_2155wt_1133
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Epsylon3 said:
2pcs Battery + Charger + usb cable for Motorola BF5X MB520 Bravo MB525 Defy (13$ inc)
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190486210352#ht_2155wt_1133
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I have this one, arrived in a few days, charger seems to work fine, batteries fit and work but build quality is lacking (pushing battery into charger causes the end of the battery to flex and come away from the inside).
As for time, I've only tried once since I received it the other day and it seems to last about half a day.
Good and cheap for backups, but no good as replacements.

never heard of mugen... quality batteries?

reinsen said:
never heard of mugen... quality batteries?
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Yes. Very reliable and quality batteries. The do what they are suppose to. They say if something can be done or not, and that is rare. I've seen them say a Desire HD 1800 battery was in the works (like the ones you can find on Ebay), but after trial and error, they scrapped it because it didn't meet their standards. They could have just made it, and made money off it, but they took the high road. I would buy from them anytime.

tigerboom said:
Here is a 1700mAh from mugen: http://www.mugen-power-batteries.co...tery-for-motorola-mb520-defy-mb525-bravo.html
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Firstly, thanks for the link.
Secondly, has anyone ordered/tried one of these yet?
Whilst it's not a huge increase in capacity, an extra ~10% if it doesn't require a larger/distended battery cover wouldn't be too shoddy.
And I'm guessing that since the product page states 'Battery Door - Not Required', that means it uses the standard battery cover?

Just wanted to point out that the original battery is now available on the Motorola EU store online http://www.motorolastore.eu/de/p_motorola_product.aspx?i=207650

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never heard of mugen... quality batteries?
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I bought a mugen battery pack for x1 (1800mA, the stock one was 1500), i've been really satisfied. Great product and they looks like a serious company, well, except for delivery time.. i had to wait 3 weeks or so. I'm going to get the mugen battery for my defy too.

i just bought the mugen extended battery hope it works well, will report back once it arrives & I've tested it
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Anybody tried it yet?

i haven't received the battery yet, it did say when I bought it that it wouldn't be sent till later in Feb, will report back here when I've tested
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Is there any really big battery out there (its fine if there is another backplate involved)?

nupi said:
Is there any really big battery out there (its fine if there is another backplate involved)?
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I think not - but i hope there will be in the future.... I dont get all those manufacturers... I sincerely wouldn't min another 3 - 4 mm for additional 1500 mAh capacity, for a uptime like 4 - 5 days....
It would be awesome.

Anyone tried the mugen battery for defy yet? please let us know your feedback. thanks

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3600mAh battery for Sony Ericsson Xperia X1

3600mAh battery is twice that of the standard
Any thought of this model (BST-41):
http://picasaweb.google.com/mugenpower8/SonyEricssonXperiaX1BST41?feat=directlink
wow. awesome. where and how much?
M Power said:
3600mAh battery is twice that of the standard
Any thought of this model (BST-41):
http://picasaweb.google.com/mugenpower8/SonyEricssonXperiaX1BST41?feat=directlink
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I've used Mugen batteries on Eten devices and they have worked OK, extending life between charges by about 20% with no change in use.
1) The 1800mAH bettery advertised on the link you provided is an interesting lead. It would replace the existing battery without increasing it's depth in the battery well and should increase life between charges. It may also go some way to reducing the overheating when using wifi or GPS while charging
2) the 3600mAH will obviously require a replacement battery cover to cope with increased battery depth
BUT:
3) are these genuine Mugen ? Or just fake copies from some counterfeiter in China ? The "diagram" of an X1 accompanying the 3600mAH battery is not an X1
4) suspiciously, the only contact detail is an email address for a distributor not known
I haven't pursued the email link yet - I'm not yet ready for the possibility of uncontrollable spam
Nonetheless, if you pursue this, post your results here ? Mugen batteries for the X1 is an interesting avenue
I really want to have it. Pls just drop out an email address or phone number?
nguyenkhanhhoang said:
I really want to have it. Pls just drop out an email address or phone number?
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Here you are (from the advertising webpage):
Suit for Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 (BST-41), for detail please email at [email protected]
Good luck
The 3600mAH battery on the picture states
Sony Erisson and not
Sony Ericsson
Haha.
Well, no wonder.... this is located in Hong Kong... not more to say about that. Just look at their website...nothing there either!
+1 is it a fake ? or a new sh't from ch'na
I didn't have good experiences with "non original" batteries T_T
anyways, that shiny silver cover is f****** ugly
The real Mugen website does not list the battery model discussed here.
My feeling is that it is too early yet for Mugen to have produced extended batteries for the X1.
Yak!
The major thing I have about my X1 that I would change if I could is the thickness.
Making it thicker even with a better battery!
I'd have to stick with their 1800mAh version.
Come on, stop joking and let all of us know how to buy
nguyenkhanhhoang said:
Come on, stop joking and let all of us know how to buy
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http://shop.eten.hu/advanced_search...+battery&osCsid=90624bc76e78aa0607f33c46171d6
Released sooner than I'd expected.
From earlier Eten experience, shop.eten.hu is a reliable retailer ... naturally, they have no stock yet, supposedly mid-March
oh again fake...
but may be someone test it....
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All i have to say is, don't buy batteries from China. Ever. Period. Buy batteries from Japan, or Taiwan. Apart from other experience, I just had my open box battery die on me for my X1a, and I've had the phone less than 4 days, haha! They replaced it with a battery from China; I wept. So far it's lasted long enough to do a ROM flash....
What do you mean???
http://www.momax.net/products_detail.php?cid=1&scid=1520&brandcat=3&pid=11369
i bought one,t is very good.
avenger2005 said:
http://www.momax.net/products_detail.php?cid=1&scid=1520&brandcat=3&pid=11369
i bought one,t is very good.
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But this one says it's 1500mAh, same as the stock.
Anyone with the 3600mAh Mugen battery? We need pics to see how thick it gets and how the replacement cover is made. I can't make out anything from the picture on the and store sites.
I see you are advertising batteries
http://picasaweb.google.com/mugenpower8

Mugen Power HTC HD2 (T8585) 1300mAh

Any feedback yet about the new Mugen 1300mA battery yet?
Best regards,
dingolino
Mugen Power HTC HD2 (T8585) 1300mAh Extended Replacement Battery
[HLI-T8585SL]
http://www.mugen-power-batteries.co...585-1300mah-extended-replacement-battery.html
I just placed an order for this battery and will post back as soon as I have it.
it will not give too much more juice to the phone then why to spend money on it ?
vikramdhani said:
it will not give too much more juice to the phone then why to spend money on it ?
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Some people carry two batteries with them.
Also think of the Momax battery, its only rated 1100mah but people say it performs better than the stock battery. I too would be interested to see how you get on with this battery, as I have thought about getting one.
1300 mAH and no new battery door needed? this means its the same size, right?
Yes same size! No need to buy an oder cover !
Is it really a better Battery than the Original ?? Beacause they say ''Better Long Life" but any how many hour??
MalekoUK said:
Some people carry two batteries with them.
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Exactly. I need two batteries when travelling.
any feedback for battery life?
I too prefer to keep 2 batteries with me. Must while travelling, but in city too, i carry a spare in my laptop bag, its so frustating to see no energy left middle of the day jus coz i used the phone heavily since morning!
Waiting for Momax X-Level battery, it sure worked better than stock for my ex-HD.
found this while looking around... seems 2 be a 1300mah bat for htc hd2 for $7????
http://www.netimes.com/shop/replacement-battery-for-htc-hd2-t8585-htc-leo-p-2449.html
Any 2500mAh+ extend battery ?
cgigate said:
Any 2500mAh+ extend battery ?
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Look there,
http://www.mugen-power-batteries.co...ed-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html
I think it's for you ;-)
I use an external battery "New Trent" that has 5000 mAh capacity and USB port.
Then it's just an exercise in plugging it into the phone while you travel.. No replacement of internal battery nor having any bulging back.
Link please NuShrike...?
G-ThGraf said:
Link please NuShrike...?
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This is one of the options: http://www.imaxpower.com/
There's other external battery options also.
MalekoUK said:
Some people carry two batteries with them.
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I always carry four batteries with me.
I travel all the time
any one got one of these mugan battery
we want pictures
Received mine recently after a mix up on ebay, ended up getting a full refund then the battery a month later
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After a couple of days of discharging and recharging the battery is holding out 2-3 hours longer in my daily routine which is as follows:
Activesync on "As item is received"
3G permanently on
3-4 hours of music
~1 hour of browsing
Few minutes of youtube
Twitter every 15 mins
Facebook every 2 hours
Weather every hour
Even for the £22 it would've cost this battery is well worth it but for free, even better
Sits flush in the device just like the original with no problems. 40% at 10pm, unplugged at 8am
hi, ordered one mugen 1300 from mugen website.

Cheap Ankers Battery 1500/1600mAh

Found these batteries on Amazon. Don't have a increible, but they seem compatable with my Desire S too.
1500mAh - http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0051N1MTY/ref=redir_mdp_mobile
1600mAh - http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0052QSTYQ/ref=redir_mdp_mobile
Seem cheap and based on the reviews, they seem to work really well!
See the Sensation 1900mAh - http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/cr/B0053EZJMC/ref=aw_d_cr_electronics
^Check out the reviews there! They seem to be very good for the sensation!
These batteries are dirt cheap, and seem to work well for other devices!
Anyone own one of these?
Can you give your reviews?
Cheers
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Sorry links for 1500 and 1600 are mixed up!
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will tyy it and tell you about the quality
I look forward to it.
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I have the 1600mAh one, I bought a pair on ebay for $16 US back in Oct or so.
I started using it in the Desire Z and it's also compatible with the Incredible S so I put it in there too.
I've only been using my Incredible S on ICS builds / Virtuous Quattro so I can't comment on battery life really so far.. but on my Desire Z I saw a boost to battery life from ~1300mAh stock HTC battery, I got around 20-24 hours. With this, I get around 30+ hours days with medium-light use on CM7-based roms.
With Virtuous roms I got like 10% less battery (due to Sense)
Nice! Thanks for sharing! So you recommend them?
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olyloh6696 said:
Nice! Thanks for sharing! So you recommend them?
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For $8 a battery and +4-6 hours depending on your use, yes I'd say its definitely a steal. You don't have to shell out $30+ US for the extended version.
I have used it great for 3.5 months. It may be cheaper if you can did it on eBay. Anker's eBay name is laptopmate-USA.
These anker batteries seem high quality types, not the junk china stuff that can softbrick phones. I had that experience on my G1.
Edit make sure it is the white anker. I wouldn't trust anyone else other than HTC!
I appreciate your explanation, thanks!
But what do you mean as white ones only?
I was looking to get a black one, as it would suit my Desire S better.
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It is this one I have (old pictures, was trying to get ot sold in xda market)
I think all the ankers are white!
PS. I can finally give an opinion on the battery life in the incredible S. I am on second day in virtuous quattro ICS RC2 and currently with 1 day 1 hr with 24% remaining.
Hope that helps!
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Many thanks for that mate! I appreciate the pics too!
I might get the battery soon!
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Thanks for the review...
I'm looking for a good battery for emergency...
So does it feels better than original 1450mAh battery? Im looking for spare right now...
Just ordered the 1600mah one and will report back on it if you want.
oh yeah, forgot to respond back to this thread. Using the 1600mAh anker:
I got about ~20-24 hours on Virtuous Quattro RC3 using light/medium usage, charge is once a day.
With CM7, I get about 30-35 hours with medium/light usage including idling. I could do 40 hours easily if I don't use the phone very much except for very light calls or texting.
-I drain about 2-3% for 8 hours of pure idling (while sleeping).
-I get around -18mAh drain the lowest according to Battery widget.
kaijura said:
oh yeah, forgot to respond back to this thread. Using the 1600mAh anker:
I got about ~20-24 hours on Virtuous Quattro RC3 using light/medium usage, charge is once a day.
With CM7, I get about 30-35 hours with medium/light usage including idling. I could do 40 hours easily if I don't use the phone very much except for very light calls or texting.
-I drain about 2-3% for 8 hours of pure idling (while sleeping).
-I get around -18mAh drain the lowest according to Battery widget.
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That's pretty good, i will report on my findings once it turns up.
Here is my latest in Cm7:
The rest of the % usage is mostly Display which is 52%.
I have been using this battery for about a week and found it to be slightly better than the old HTC battery.
This is a good review that i found of the battery for anyone interested in it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6quZ2Dq6gU&list=UUxHizTGir8DURSxkXiJsl1A&index=1&feature=plcp
kaijura said:
These anker batteries seem high quality types, not the junk china stuff that can softbrick phones. I had that experience on my G1.
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Is this a notable risk with these aftermarket batteries? Can anyone comment on the likelihood of this occurring with the Anker batteries, or is it a case of 'if it works fine for a few cycles it's not going to softbrick my phone'.
Cant help but feel wary with a product so cheap! Why wouldn't HTC make their batteries to this standard I wonder.
Any review form ARHD's user?
Soothsayer. said:
Is this a notable risk with these aftermarket batteries? Can anyone comment on the likelihood of this occurring with the Anker batteries, or is it a case of 'if it works fine for a few cycles it's not going to softbrick my phone'.
Cant help but feel wary with a product so cheap! Why wouldn't HTC make their batteries to this standard I wonder.
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Well I don't think there is a risk of the battery soft bricking your phone however I think that these batteries are made from a cheaper material because even though they have bigger capacity they don't last any longer
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Mugen Power updated their HLI-NexusSXL battery from 3300mAh to 3900mAh

I got this from Mugen Power facebook: HLI-NexusSXL battery was upgraded from 3300mAh to 3900mAh.
But it is so much
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Damn, guys!!!! After upgrading to ICS 4.0.3 on Nexus I'm getting 2d 19h 50m 10s on my Mugen 3300mAh battery! I should have waited and ordered a 3900mah later on...
Check it here.
Highly recommended!!
Also, does anyone know a good screenshot app? I cannot seem to get one that does not require root.
Also, does anyone know a good screenshot app? I cannot seem to get one that does not require root.
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Screenshot feature is embedded in ICS just press and hold volume down and power button
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Screenshot feature is embedded in ICS just press and hold volume down and power button
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Whoohaaa! Amazing! Check this out then!
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Please, I'd really appreciate if someone could confirm that this battery and its cover fits an i9023.
What was the price on it?
100$ but that is before shipping and handling
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Stefanauss said:
Please, I'd really appreciate if someone could confirm that this battery and its cover fits an i9023.
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The battery fits but the cover does not...
porcupineli said:
The battery fits but the cover does not...
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Could you explain me why, please? (or have you tried it yourself?)
I emailed Mugen and they told me it fits i9023. Of course, they're somewhat unreliable, they want you to buy.
this battery is amazing. seriously what it has in bulk it makes up for in the length of time it lasts. mine is lasting about 4 times aslong as the oem battery.
Anyone knows a good charger to charge this monster fast?
Does the battery get hotter then a normal one when used for a long period?
My Experience with the mugen battery was not so nice, i bought the 1600 mah and was not even close to stock!! Mugen and sedio in my experience have not been good! Just something tho think about! Also i think that there are better extended battery backs than what mugen has to offer as well!
Just got mine.......installing live wallpaper, GPS on, **** I might install face book
Back cover is pretty nice, even had the nfc contacts and antenna, plus they work
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nickespi said:
My Experience with the mugen battery was not so nice, i bought the 1600 mah and was not even close to stock!! Mugen and sedio in my experience have not been good! Just something tho think about! Also i think that there are better extended battery backs than what mugen has to offer as well!
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Yeah that's the hard lesson I learned, if it's only a couple hundred milla amps extra they are not worth it
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk
This battery is the tits, five hours and in 92% still.
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can you take a few pictures of this mugen battery and cover setup on the phone? side shots and up close and all that stuff. please... none of the pictures i find online are worth the time to even see how it looks. highly considering. what is the final overall thickness?
jerusry said:
can you take a few pictures of this mugen battery and cover setup on the phone? side shots and up close and all that stuff. please... none of the pictures i find online are worth the time to even see how it looks. highly considering. what is the final overall thickness?
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I'll get the picture later (pm me for a reminder). Probably about a inch thick
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Okay. Sounds good

finally, extended battery

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=400602386189
or
http://mugen.co/motorola/verizon-mo...rizon-motorola-droid-4-with-battery-door.html
That thing is huge. Doesn't seem too pocket-friendly.
maybe is not "pocket friendly", but maybe D4 works more than twice on this battery ... I hope so. enybody test this?
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if i wanted a pocket friendly phone id get a ****ty razor. i will be ordering one next friday. mugen makes good **** so im not worried.
wheeliest said:
if i wanted a pocket friendly phone id get a ****ty razor. i will be ordering one next friday. mugen makes good **** so im not worried.
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awesome, let us know how the install goes and what battery life is like
between this and the 4.4 ROM coming out, the D4 is starting to really get some longevity behind it
wheeliest said:
if i wanted a pocket friendly phone id get a ****ty razor. i will be ordering one next friday. mugen makes good **** so im not worried.
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Have you had a chance to test it out yet?
I'm guessing it didn't go so well, what with the having to disassemble the phone and all
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I brought from there
http://www.amazon.com/Mugen-Power-Extended-Battery-Motorola/dp/B00GQDVXYM/ref=sr_1_5?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1389077708&sr=1-5&keywords=xt894+battery
I just follow the youtube video to exchange it, easy. run time over 24 hours. The package come with all tools you need and 2 battery doors
tnstywh william
That thing is huge!! It would be nice to have the extra battery life but wow.....it's monstrous.
At $90, they are late to the party for Droid 4. I can't imagine shelling out that kind of money on an extended battery when the phone is already showing it's age so clearly. Hopefully there will be a Droid 5 that is a true flagship level device.
Came across this and thought this might be useful to anyone who has bought or is thinking about buying one of these extended batteries: http://www.prweb.com/releases/MugenPower/App2/prweb10466851.htm
I know I saw somewhere someone saying they were having problems with the extended batter not reading correctly. Sounds like this Mugen app might help solve that issues.
kwyrt said:
Came across this and thought this might be useful to anyone who has bought or is thinking about buying one of these extended batteries:
I know I saw somewhere someone saying they were having problems with the extended batter not reading correctly. Sounds like this Mugen app might help solve that issues.
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I have tried the mugen app, only had it for about 24 hours. Seem's to work bettter than Battery Calibrator. WIll update to let others know. The battery life is great with extended battery.
kburt8 said:
At $90, they are late to the party for Droid 4. I can't imagine shelling out that kind of money on an extended battery when the phone is already showing it's age so clearly. Hopefully there will be a Droid 5 that is a true flagship level device.
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Yeah, at this point the D4 is only around until I can find something better (which by the looks of things, might be awhile.)
Had this come out year one, I would have bought it in a heartbeat.
Just bought one. Given that I was ready to try and hunt for some alternative similar sized batteries and hack up a case for it... I'm willing to deal with some pre-made bulk.
Hi
I also bought a Mugen battery but I have a problem with the battery indicator. I am using CM 11 from here and the battery indicator (on the top right) is going down very fast - at the same speed as the old battery. So I installed the app "battery monitor widget" and there it shows 1740mAh and not the full 3800mAh. I already used the Mugen calibration app but nothing changes.
Best wishes
Chuck93 said:
Hi
I also bought a Mugen battery but I have a problem with the battery indicator. I am using CM 11 from here and the battery indicator (on the top right) is going down very fast - at the same speed as the old battery. So I installed the app "battery monitor widget" and there it shows 1740mAh and not the full 3800mAh. I already used the Mugen calibration app but nothing changes.
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Hello,
I am also thinking of purchasing Mugen Extended 3800 mAH battery.
How has your experience been ?
How many hours does the Droid4 last and
How many hours does it take to charge it from 0 to 100% ?
Thanx
R.
rohinsadh said:
Hello,
I am also thinking of purchasing Mugen Extended 3800 mAH battery.
How has your experience been ?
How many hours does the Droid4 last and
How many hours does it take to charge it from 0 to 100% ?
Thanx
R.
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Anybody - plse share your experience using Mugen Extended 3800 mAH battery... I want to purchase it as the stock battery just lasts 3/4 of day & by 6PM I am running to charge the mobile
yep, its d4 with mugen 3.8battery.
any solutions?
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Alternate, Cheaper Solution
I didn't see this post about that massive battery before today. Instead, I bought a 2850mah (or so they say) battery that I will link you guys to below. I just installed it, so I'll let it die and then charge it up to 100% and re-calibrate.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/331174017365?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Zero5295 said:
I didn't see this post about that massive battery before today. Instead, I bought a 2850mah (or so they say) battery that I will link you guys to below. I just installed it, so I'll let it die and then charge it up to 100% and re-calibrate.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/331174017365?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
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Wow Price is right, only $12 free shipping, as long as it doesn't blowup on you.
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i don't believe running battery down till phone shuts off, helps that much in calibrating, and I know it's not good for the battery.

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