I'm currently running Cognition 2.3b8, but I've seen this in Axura as well as older versions of Cognition. This leads me to believe this is either a SGS wide problem, or this is a Froyo "problem."
In 2.1, I used Advanced Task Killer to keep applications I wanted to run in the background (long press-> Ignore). The most important of which for me is BeyondPod.
In Froyo however, whatever process it is that keeps running and initiates the download of new podcasts is being killed. I tried using ATK for Froyo, and adding BP to the ignore list, but I have the same result. I've done a work-around where I use Tasker to start up the application five minutes before BP is scheduled to, but that seems like a lot of sugar for a dime.
Even if I have to completely get rid of the built in task manager (I find its relatively poor anyway), is there an application that will allow me to "defeat" Android's built in task manager and regain functionality similar to what I had with 2.1?
I deleted some stock apps with StockAppRemover but you can try this too with root explorer. Just got to /system/app and search for something like taskmanager.apk or com.Samsung.taskmanager. Then there should be no task manager left.
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This seems to be a viable solution. To those who decide to solve their problems this way, keep in mind that the button for the task manager will still be in the pop-up box. DO NOT press it. It will lock your phone requiring a battery pull.
That said, I'm 90% content with this solution.
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I been using Advanced Task Manager 4.1 before I updated to froyo and it killed all my unwanted apps very well. All the roms I tryed on 2.2 do this: they leave the apps connected to the internet open. It just wastes my battery. I tryed a bunch of other task killers and none of them work, the apps still stay open. I need to kill the apps untill the next time I open them. Anyone know a way to do that on 2.2 or what my prolem is?
Might want to state what your problem is or ask a question
I edited my post, any way you or someone else can help
artii829 said:
I been using Advanced Task Manager 4.1 before I updated to froyo and it killed all my unwanted apps very well. All the roms I tryed on 2.2 do this: they leave the apps connected to the internet open. It just wastes my battery. I tryed a bunch of other task killers and none of them work, the apps still stay open. I need to kill the apps untill the next time I open them. Anyone know a way to do that on 2.2 or what my prolem is?
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For one thing you might want to download DroidWall and disable internet access to all unwanted apps. It is like Firewall for your android.
Also try Taskiller. I m using it and it kills apps and never let them start until screen turns on again.
-Sekhar
See thats the thing, I want them to be off untill I turn them on myself. I think I'll re-download DroidWall (I have known about it) and all task killers do the same thing I guess, which is kill the apps untill the next time you turn on your screen =/
Could you give us an example of these apps that are "staying connected" and some indication of what you're testing to know that they are staying connected?
Apps like: Bloo (Facebook), Hi IM, Android Market, Weather Bug, & others that dont use internet like Astrid Tasks, Startup Cleaner Pro, Titanium Backup, TeslaLED & toggle apps.
I just want them closed when I kill them. Right now I have a shortcut to managing apps so I click on the running tab and manually force close them but thats a pain.
INDICATION: killing weather bug and the notification with the temperature stays.
After killing the apps I have listed they pop up again in the task manager 30 seconds later.
I'm using Cyanogenmod 6 (stable) on my HTC Dream.
Now, I know that there's been a change in Froyo (Android 2.2) whereby task manager apps can no longer kill running apps. That's fine. I can kill tasks in Running Services if I want. (Although I wish I had a faster way of accessing the Running Services...)
Anyways, I'm noticing that I'm having a problem with apps being closed by the system when I definitely never want them closing unless I close them myself. I was able to do this just fine in pre-Froyo ... but there are really some apps, like AndChat, that I don't want closing at any odd random time (I'm guessing this happens when the system decides it needs to free up some RAM or something). Is there a way to keep certain apps ALWAYS running unless I close them?
Please tell me there's a way to do this. I'm loving Froyo otherwise, but there are some apps that I don't want the system closing on its own.
Please tell me there's a way around this. I never had this problem pre-Froyo.
Can I maybe prioritize non-essential processes or something (So that maybe it'd close some other app instead of the one or two I want to keep running)?
Please help
If you do, then whatever you are trying to do that causes those processes to be killed will NOT WORK. You will get the magical disappearing application problem where a newly launched program will randomly die. It could get really messy if there isn't enough free memory to load the launcher -- you'll end up in battery munching loops at seemingly random times.
*sighs*
That's just ... sad. I understand what you're saying. I do hope there's still another way though. I really try not to have much running. But sometimes even if all I have running is AndChat and a browser, AndChat would close. It's really annoying.
Thanks for your reply.
The most annoying thing to me about the way FroYo manages apps is that my browser will often close when not being used, and upon returning to it only the last page displayed will reload but any other windows that were open do not.
This never happened in 2.1
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I have cognition 2.2 beta7. I have made every attempt to remove that stupid task manager, but it's hijacked the long press home option even after I removed it. Anyone know what I would do to get back to the normal long press home thing?
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I have cognition 2.2 beta7. I have made every attempt to remove that stupid task manager, but it's hijacked the long press home option even after I removed it. Anyone know what I would do to get back to the normal long press home thing?
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The long press home has always brought up a dialog for selecting recently run apps as a sort of short cut to multitasking even in the stock eclair rom shipped by samsung. The only difference in the froyo leak is that dialog now contains a link to enter a new front end app to the task manager.
I don't know how to remove that link - I'm guessing you will have to edit something in the framework somewhere. And by the way - you may have or be able to remove the front end user interface app to the android task manager but you can't remove the actual android task manager and still have the phone be operational.
The long press home thing in android isn't exactly a "Task Manager" in stock android. It functions as a way of accessing apps.
The front end app, has hijacked that screen by adding it's button to it.
I was able to delete the app, but now I am stuck a task switcher screen that has a broken task manager link on it. (which if clicked happens to lock up the entire device.)
I'm sure I'd have to get down and dirty somewhere, but I just don't know where.
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The long press home thing in android isn't exactly a "Task Manager" in stock android. It functions as a way of accessing apps.
The front end app, has hijacked that screen by adding it's button to it.
I was able to delete the app, but now I am stuck a task switcher screen that has a broken task manager link on it. (which if clicked happens to lock up the entire device.)
I'm sure I'd have to get down and dirty somewhere, but I just don't know where.
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That dialogue was not hijacked by anything - the link was intentionally encoded by someone from samsung to be in the dialogue in froyo 2.2
Ugh. Why would they do that to us?
That link below is why I think it's stupid. (I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links yet but I'll try anyway.)
http://androinica.com/2010/05/07/go...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/
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Ugh. Why would they do that to us?
That link below is why I think it's stupid. (I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links yet but I'll try anyway.)
http://androinica.com/2010/05/07/go...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/
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Yes. While task managers have value in allowing someone to watch their phone learn what is going on with their and give them some knowledge and a tool for trouble shooting, far too many people are using them as a system resource management tool, killing processes and apps without really knowing what they are doing or that it is completely unnecessary. Often people are even doing more harm then good as they are going way too far in their zest to kill that they are keeping their phone from operating properly.
I think that is what samsung is probably attempting to accomplish with this limited front end app to the task manager that is being included in their froyo builds - trying to give people a tool to satisfy some of there (way over the top) task killing mania while keeping people safe from getting to deep in there task killing and causing problems.
Hopefully more and more people will start getting the message - quit all the arbitrary unneeded task killing - use your task manager keep tabs on your phone and to catch any problem apps that you may of installed - and leave the resource task managing to the actual built in OS task manager as it really does do a good job - so long as you don't have some poorly coded resource hog software installed.
I'm running CM7 and I'm happy with how it performs compared to stock rom. I see improvement in battery and memory usage. So that's good.
However, some apps like facebook, maps, tango etc still appear to become active in the background.
Is there an application which will easily let me manage rights for every app I have on the device? I dont want to freeze them, just change their permissions so they never do anything unless I intentionally start an app.
When I was on stock ROM i tried an app killer with auto kill. So i'd kill apps that were displayed. Check back a few minutes later and everything was back running again..
So to sum up..a good app manager that works nicely with CM7?
Edit: i found something called privacy blocker but I think that wont let me prevent apps from running by themselves....
Edit-2: Nevermind, its not going to work I think...reading this made me realise that some apps me be terminated at start-up, but preventing from booting at a later point is near impossible. Too bad. http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=14889
Just ignore them, Android knows how to manage it's RAM effectively.
If you won´t use some apps, use TitaniumBackup (from Market) and freeze apps you are never using.
Hey Folks,
Just wanted to hear some opinions on whether having a task manger is worth it. I've heard from both sides of the camp, stating newer versions of android can handle the load fine, and that more and more apps are running unnecessary background services.
I just did a clean wipe and reload of CM7 and I'm wondering whether I want my advanced task manager anymore.
Thoughts?
For me, I prefer no task killer. If I must close apps I go into running services and stop them that way. Usually they stop without me doing that.
I don't use one, not needed.
i never ever felt the need of having a task killer on my Inc S
the apps close by themselves when not in use.
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just use v6 supercharger it is better than all the taskillers you may find.
I don't use one. I'm running CM7 and as Saenzscene said, I stop programs in the running services menu. However I never really had the need to do it as RAM was never a problem.
But I have noticed while running certain programs that if you press the "home" button, the program may keep running in the background afterwards. Whereas if you press the "back" button it will close the program's running service. Can anyone confirm this?
Never had the need for a TaskManager with CM7 or ARHD.
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if you're using a task manager or task killer since froyo, urdoinitwrong
I'm using advanced task killer simply to kill anything that may not be shut down even tho I mean to.
As someone said above, it's possible that some alps stay open and keep your phone awake. I have a large ignore list which I use to ensure nothing important gets closed down, only the rogue apps, now my phone never stays awake when it shouldn't.
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No Task Manager. Using CM7 nightly 103.
System92 said:
I don't use one. I'm running CM7 and as Saenzscene said, I stop programs in the running services menu. However I never really had the need to do it as RAM was never a problem.
But I have noticed while running certain programs that if you press the "home" button, the program may keep running in the background afterwards. Whereas if you press the "back" button it will close the program's running service. Can anyone confirm this?
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Yes, some apps like to run as a service process if you quit the app. FriendCaster is one example. I think they do this to handle sync process in the background.
I don't need anyone!
My choice is no task manager, android is good.