Ok here is my problem...I am not one of the big tech people or anything like that. Here recently Sprint has been telling me not to use the task killers because they harm the phone. I have the hero obviously with 2.1 update 1 on it. Im being told to just turn background data off. My phone has recently started telling me that is running low on space. I don't know anything about flashing or anything like that. Can someone help me with these issues???
Your phone has a limited amount of space where you can install apps and such. It seems like that space is running out on your phone. Even though you have a SD card, Android 2.1 (by itself) does not have a feature to move apps to the SD card.
There are a few things you might want to consider:
1. Rooting and upgrading to Android 2.2, as sprint is not planning to provide 2.2 for the hero
2. Using some Apps2SD apps/tools
Either of the above will help you to move apps to the SD card and save some precious space which will get rid of the "low space" issue.
BTW, there's no harm in using the task killers? What are you using?
If the phone has enough ram it does not need a task killer, the Hero does NOT fall under this category. The ram is like 250 mb I believe, most newer phones have a min of 512 mb. Unless you are rooted with a 2.2 rom, bloatware removed, and are overclocked I would use a task killer
cordell12 said:
If the phone has enough ram it does not need a task killer, the Hero does NOT fall under this category. The ram is like 250 mb I believe, most newer phones have a min of 512 mb. Unless you are rooted with a 2.2 rom, bloatware removed, and are overclocked I would use a task killer
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I Definitely Agree...
Low Memory is the Main Reason I Rooted My Phone!!
It's Worth It!
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If storage space is the problem, and you are adverse to rooting, then you may need to delete some apps.
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I've been reading mixed things about swap space. Is it required and if so..why? What does it do?
I'm running Cannon202 and really like it but it's 2.1.2 and I'd like to go up to 2.2 but am very pleased with the rom. I got my SD card partitioned and used the defaults in recovery...Are those fine..I'm using the..crap..its 1.7 something.
Also, I've had troubles with the UI crashing in the 2.2 version6 build of the....the one with a C..the long name one..sorry for not remembering names but I'm on my phone.
Anyway..any suggestions?
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its same concept as pagefile on windows...giving more avaialble ram..at the cost of slower performance (time taken to write to sd card is slower)
and possibly less battery life
Say no to swap, kids!
It just isn't worth it, especially if you're using a ROM with the *shudder* CM kernel, which will slow your phone to a crawl. CompCache is a much better option.
After fixing some lags with I/O system by using filesystem LagFix I still have a Lag problem in my system and I think it's not related to Samsung.
I think this could be an Android problem.
After a fresh reboot I get 124MB of free RAM.
BUT... every day I need to reboot the phone because after 3 hours it became laggy.
Now I analysed this and read a bit about the memory management on several forums and was able to reproduce the lag 2minutes after reboot.
I just need to use much applications one after another to raise the RAM usage for every application.
When the free RAM reaches 40MB I think the system clears some pieces for using it for the app I now want to use and there is the LAG.
Is there any fix for Android not caching every activity of an application in the RAM?
Now for me Android feels like: Usage -> Full RAM -> Lag
Sorry for the new thread but after 2 hours of research I didn't find anything useful over search function.
Yea, every program should have as much ram available as their size. 2gig for program storage on sgs, so there should be the same amount of ram ;D Anyway, theres still less memory for programs on the sgs than for example in the N1. I'd say there is about 384MB of ram total on the sgs and not the 512 claimed.
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Not just the RAM for the apps... there's much more...all mails from internet, all google talk conversations, the wather I checked out from internet with any widget, feels like every interaction is cached into the RAM until it reaches the 40mb mark and after that every interaction on my system is laggy... for example: opening the notification bar needs 2-3 seconds.
I already talked to N1 users with the same problem
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I already talked to N1 users with the same problem
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Heading out the door in a minute so can't comment on the rest, but I strongly disagree with that part of your statement.
As an N1 owner I've NEVER seen lag like I suffer on the SGS. Never seen the absolute FREEZE in the GUI like the SGS gets.
I'm running FroYo on the N1 now, so can't compare side-by-side to the SGS things like memory usage, but I don't think that's the issue here if you're going to use the N1 as a comparison, despite other users complaining of lag.
You might try Autokiller or the free memory manager app from the Market and see if that improves thing, they'll keep more or less memory free depending on settings. You could test how soon lag comes with default, minimal, and aggressive settings.
I never testet Froyo because everyone said, it's unstable but for me it seems like froyo has other RAM management than Eclair when you said you can't reproduce this problem.
I'm already using a task killer... I have my main apps ignored or excluded and most time there are 2 or 3 apps which will be killed after lock or time or what else.
What's the problem here... if I would use a PC with 512MB RAM and use only 10 small applications, it won't cache everything in the ram until it's full.
Hi, didn't read all the posts, but u should look into the RFS file system, which is samsung proprietery file system. It has a very bad implementation on android (i could be wrong). As for ram, the phone has 512 mb, but 128 are reserved for Gsm/data connection. Just think if you had an incoming call and all your ram was in use, u had to wait for the system to clear up some memory before being able to receive the call physiclly. That would be a long wait.
I could be wrong and sorry for the bad english.
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Have you ever tried "Minfreemanager" app?
It can change the minimum available memory level in different app usage.
The device must be rooted first.
Then select "Aggressive" preset and see the result.
rkantos said:
. I'd say there is about 384MB of ram total on the sgs and not the 512 claimed.
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If this turns out to be true, samsung is up for a massive lawsuit from MANY angry customers who've been mislead due to false marketing
tra33372 said:
Have you ever tried "Minfreemanager" app?
It can change the minimum available memory level in different app usage.
The device must be rooted first.
Then select "Aggressive" preset and see the result.
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DAMN!!! Nice app... it does exactly what I need cleans my RAM so I'll get 120MB and after that loading of apps is much faster than starting apps with Android included RAM cleaning.
It just cleans my RAM like a reboot but without the reboot
This should be a temporary solution until someone finds a better solution or until froyo is released.
I would like to have an application like this with an autoclean option on 2 hours
Guys please,
Getting off-topic here. Here is Android Development.
Not Q&A or General.
Please post in the right section.
Here is getting too many off-topics that pose no relation to Android Development.
Too cluttered.
Thanks
DasLeo said:
DAMN!!! Nice app... it does exactly what I need cleans my RAM so I'll get 120MB and after that loading of apps is much faster than starting apps with Android included RAM cleaning.
It just cleans my RAM like a reboot but without the reboot
This should be a temporary solution until someone finds a better solution or until froyo is released.
I would like to have an application like this with an autoclean option on 2 hours
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Auto killer is better.Its exactly the same as minfreemanager but can be made to apply at boot.Minfree manager resets itself at boot.
I use Memory Booster Lite (free version) app to free up memory, must do that manually but it works very well, if you buy the app it free up memory automaticly.
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The phone does have 512mb of ram. It just isn't used properly.
MOJO783010 said:
Hi, didn't read all the posts, but u should look into the RFS file system, which is samsung proprietery file system. It has a very bad implementation on android (i could be wrong). As for ram, the phone has 512 mb, but 128 are reserved for Gsm/data connection. Just think if you had an incoming call and all your ram was in use, u had to wait for the system to clear up some memory before being able to receive the call physiclly. That would be a long wait.
I could be wrong and sorry for the bad english.
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No, wrong. The reserved ram is in the form of a ram disk, which seems to be a bit oversized. Not really sure why a ram disk is needed at all, personally.
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Auto killer is better.Its exactly the same as minfreemanager but can be made to apply at boot.Minfree manager resets itself at boot.
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This is the correct solution. the JF* series of firmwares have very bad default settings for killing unused apps. Use this app to set them a bit better and you shouldn't have any problems.
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It does have 512 of ram, but some is partitioned off for the phone, so that you can always receive phone calls. Just about every device does this, because users would be more upset if they couldn't pick up the phone until they had closed a bundle of running programs. Don't you think that people here would have noticed earlier if the SGS physically had less ram than claimed ?
As far as the OP is concerned, sounds like you are just running too many programs at once. Its not an android problem, its user error.
Any task manager, but particularly an auto-killer will set you right, although alternatively you could try not leaving every app open when you're finished with it. You think your PC would run ok if you left one game open while you opened another ?
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I never testet Froyo because everyone said, it's unstable but for me it seems like froyo has other RAM management than Eclair when you said you can't reproduce this problem.
I'm already using a task killer... I have my main apps ignored or excluded and most time there are 2 or 3 apps which will be killed after lock or time or what else.
What's the problem here... if I would use a PC with 512MB RAM and use only 10 small applications, it won't cache everything in the ram until it's full.
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I wasn't comparing a N1 on FroYo to the SGS on Eclair. My comments were in regard to when I was on Eclair, which was several months...FroYo's only been available for a couple of months. What I said was since I'm on FroYo now, I can't compare side-by-side, but my experience with an N1 on Eclair was never any lag problem or GUI freezes.
Anyways, I also suggested you try Autokiller, and you missed that or misunderstood it by saying you already run a Task Killer (which is generally considered a bad idea, but I see you picked up on Autokiller after someone else suggested it. Enjoy.
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Nah, all phones advertise the actual chip size in it, not the amount the system actually lets you use.
tra33372 said:
Have you ever tried "Minfreemanager" app?
It can change the minimum available memory level in different app usage.
The device must be rooted first.
Then select "Aggressive" preset and see the result.
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Thank you. This removes almost all lag I'm experiencing.
Is there a task tiller that actually works with froyo I tried a bunch from the market but .none of them seem to work apps will still run on the background tanks in advance
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Advance Task Killer Free works great for me
You don't need a task killer. Android 2.0 and up uses what is called an out of memory manager (OOM). If the phone needs memory for something, it'll automatically kill apps to free up space. If you really want to control your phones memory, get an app like Autokiller. It'll allow you to change the OOM manager settings. But, like I said, with 512MB of memory, you don't need it.
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You don't need a task killer. Android 2.0 and up uses what is called an out of memory manager (OOM). If the phone needs memory for something, it'll automatically kill apps to free up space. If you really want to control your phones memory, get an app like Autokiller. It'll allow you to change the OOM manager settings. But, like I said, with 512MB of memory, you don't need it.
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You only mention killing an app to free up memory but what if you want to kill it because it's consuming network resources or has gotten into a bad state?
kylehase said:
You only mention killing an app to free up memory but what if you want to kill it because it's consuming network resources or has gotten into a bad state?
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You can also kill apps with it but if it's an app taking services it will most likely just restart after killing because chances are more then one app is using that service which is why its being used a lot in the first place
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Hello!
Welcome all galaxy s and android owners Im quite new to this hardware and software, in fact i spent all weekend trying to understand this machine...
Eventually, i fixed 3-combo bug, updated android from 2.1 to 2.2.1 JPU and applied speedMod from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=822756
And im wondering, do i really have so much ram? I have system info widget, it shows only about 150-190, on android 2.1 it was about 120-160, everything looks like my galaxy s has only 256 MB of memory (i just cant believe that) :O How can i check it more accurately?
Hey mate,
The reason why you can only see 339mb (or there abouts) of ram free is because the OS reserves some space for critical system apps.. Imagine if you couldn't receive calls because your live wallpaper and that game you are playing was using up all your ram.
Hope this answers your question,
Alex
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Sullson said:
Hello!
Welcome all galaxy s and android owners Im quite new to this hardware and software, in fact i spent all weekend trying to understand this machine...
Eventually, i fixed 3-combo bug, updated android from 2.1 to 2.2.1 JPU and applied speedMod from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=822756
And im wondering, do i really have so much ram? I have system info widget, it shows only about 150-190, on android 2.1 it was about 120-160, everything looks like my galaxy s has only 256 MB of memory (i just cant believe that) :O How can i check it more accurately?
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By right our phone has 512MB.
However, some of the memory needs to be use for critical applications (e.g. running the phone etc.) therefore we are not able to unlock all 512mb for our use.
What you are able to see (since you're using SpeedMod kernel, it will be 339MB) is the memory available for OUR use. Do note that our phone needs to use part of that 339MB RAM to load up applications/boot up therefore you would not get 339MB free (rather about 120MB free ++ out of 339)
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Hey mate,
The reason why you can only see 339mb (or there abouts) of ram free is because the OS reserves some space for critical system apps.. Imagine if you couldn't receive calls because your live wallpaper and that game you are playing was using up all your ram.
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Actually, that's a common assumption I hear which gets thrown around here but has never actually been proven. Apparently it's a memory hole, which means devices are using it. If it were reserved for apps, it would probably still show up in total RAM. Remember, Android is smart enough to kill apps as needed when more ram is required. Furthermore, freeing RAM doesn't take much work. So this explanation doesn't make much sense imho.
The reality might actually be that Samsung haven't had time to dynamically allocate the space with their drivers, so they took a shortcut until they had time to optimise.
Regardless of amounts I can say that 2.2.1 is the first firmware where memory management does not appear to be an issue.
Ok i found out that i actually have 339 Mb of memory. The problem is that all the time at least 130 mb are in use. I think that all the stand by android and samsung apps should work on the memory that stands in 512-339 and it shouldnt take my memory space. I saw 339 in task manager, also over there i see that samsung "steals" from it about 130. In addition it process running i see only about 30/40 memory in use. Android takes 16 mb. Any1 can explain this to me?
my phone showing only 304MO of RAM. Why?
Read what i did. U dont have speedmod. But what about my 130 lost memory...
Hi People
My GNote has 1GB of RAM and when i am not using it it still shows only 300 to 200 MB of RAM left, i am using ES task Manager, i have checked the running applications but nothing seems to eat all that RAM..
I do have games installed but i make sure to close them after finish playing them.
Secondly when i uninstall a Game, what happens to the data it downloaded to internet and if that data is not deleted by uninstalling how to delete it?
Thanks for you help
ram
humadoon said:
Hi People
My GNote has 1GB of RAM and when i am not using it it still shows only 300 to 200 MB of RAM left, i am using ES task Manager, i have checked the running applications but nothing seems to eat all that RAM..
I do have games installed but i make sure to close them after finish playing them.
Secondly when i uninstall a Game, what happens to the data it downloaded to internet and if that data is not deleted by uninstalling how to delete it?
Thanks for you help
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Wouldnt worry bout the ram, 300 is prob an average of what people have left after filling up with apps, also you should remember, lots of the stock apps are running and restarting most of the time which eats ram
I use Task killer pro, good way to set it on autokill and let it kill those unwanted apps that are running.
Another way is download a startup manager and audit what you want to run and not to run when your phone boots, you will need to be rooted to do that.
The phone has a built in task manager, long pressing the home button or look in ur apps, there is a task killer of sorts built in to free up mem, or u could root and install cassies extralight rom, that way you have a basic system with all the crap taken out.
When you uninstall an app, always be sure to click the cache clear and stop button before uninstalling but generally when it uninstalls it only leaves fragments behind, nothing major.
You still have 2 to 300 meg of ram, its nothing to worry about, most phones dont even have that left after installing apps so try not to worry, just be sure to clear ya memory every now and then.
Thanks i am little worried to root the device yet as i only had it for a month.
I installed games such as internal legacy and back stab but after uninstalling them still my phone had the data in the gameloft folder which i had to manually delete...
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humadoon said:
Thanks i am little worried to root the device yet as i only had it for a month.
I installed games such as internal legacy and back stab but after uninstalling them still my phone had the data in the gameloft folder which i had to manually delete...
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Dont worry bout rooting, just use the initial root flasher and the matching cfroot kernel found here in the same link, it gives full easy instruction and includes an root uninstaller in case you need to take it off, dont even need to use the cfroot if ya dont want too.
Rootings not that big a deal, easy to dispose of in case of return and the guides here on XDA are the best ones ya could use, its all solid stable advice.
graemeg said:
Dont worry bout rooting, just use the initial root flasher and the matching cfroot kernel found here in the same link, it gives full easy instruction and includes an root uninstaller in case you need to take it off, dont even need to use the cfroot if ya dont want too.
Rootings not that big a deal, easy to dispose of in case of return and the guides here on XDA are the best ones ya could use, its all solid stable advice.
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thanks mate you have been a great help ..bless you
just hit clear memory under ram in task manager to free from time to time.
Its pointless clearing your ram, your phone will run smoother if most of your most used apps are ready for loading in ram. If you clear you ram all the time, when you load Apps they have to load from storage instead which takes longer and takes more CPU usage.
Alexanderbooth said:
Its pointless clearing your ram, your phone will run smoother if most of your most used apps are ready for loading in ram. If you clear you ram all the time, when you load Apps they have to load from storage instead which takes longer and takes more CPU usage.
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good point, though some apps like the ones from stock doesn't let you uninstall them (eg. Social Hub, Samsung Apps)
Having a rooted device, you can use
Nitrality (free) or
Titanium Backup
to remove unwanted system applications.
You have to learn how to do a Nandroid backup first before you start uninstalling system apps. But.. if you really just stick to rooting and uninstalling KiesCrap etc. you'd still be fine.
once you install root then u can use titanium backup to remove all the unwanted apps