Hi all,
(This is my first post here, but I've been a lurker since I heard about the rooted Nook, and I wouldn't be enjoying my gadget so much if it wasn't for you guys!)
I just got a USB to micro USB adaptor in the hopes I could use my rooted NC with an external keyboard (have my eye on one of the keyboard/case thingies). After a search on google and on these forums, it doesn't look like it's an easy feat.
So my question: is there a way of making a USB keyboard recognisable as an input source in 2.12.25, the way you can do it with the Gingerbread virtual keyboard, or is there some hardware condition to it?
If not, is somebody working on it, either with autonooter or one of the other roms?
(I should add I'm not a techie. Just a geek barely smart enough to follow instructions and copypaste command lines into a terminal )
The challenge would be to activate the microUSB in USB Host Mode. I asked about this in the NC General forum, but I didn't get a single response; so, as far as I can tell, nobody is currently tackling this issue.
If its possible with the hardware, it would certainly be very cool
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I would love to see some work on this as I would some day enjoy using my nook color to catalog my digital photos in the field (there is a lot to be done before that can happen). In the meantime, do you have a bluetooth keyboard? That my happen first.
Thanks guys for your responses. Google tells me that activating the USB host is not entirely impossible on Android devices (sorry, can't post links yet), but I suppose the NC is another kettle of fish entirely.
lekofraggle, I've read the thread about Bluetooth, and that might be a solution as well. I'll buy a BT keyboard the day they make it work =)
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Hey everyone..
I would really love to connect a full usbkeyboard to my Magic 32A..
But then i connect my logitech G15, nothing happens..
I think it because of the need of a HID driver.. But i am not sure..
Does anyone now where i can get a HID driver for android?
//Reffer
lol. No. Just no
LMAO. FAIL.
If I remember correctly, there's a lot of posts about this on the official SDK mailinglist/forum/whatever. If you google it I'm sure you'll find something.
And shoo to the last two posters!
Hey mockillo. Thx for posting a answer i actually could use to something..
The only post i could find on SDK was this one: http://groups.google.com/group/andr...hl=en&lnk=gst&q=usb+keyboard#7397813348f7a9fa
And they say that android not support BLuetooth HID.. But nothing about normal.. I think i will try to make a topic in there too..
That's not how USB works. If you want a full keyboard you'll have to get a bluetooth keyboard & wait for the bluetooth SDK to be released (maybe rooted users can use bluetooth keyboards already?)
USB host
does anyone know if Magic hardware supports USB host? If so, it would be possible with 2.1
Just check this out: _ttp://jkontherun.com/2010/02/17/how-to-add-a-usb-keyboard-to-an-android-phone/
appearently MAKE magazine did an article about it. I say it just might work. but you may want to talk to some devs to see how to get into usb OTG mode with a mytouch.
anyone tried this?
on my last check no dev is building with USB HOST built into there roms ( things can connect to phone) unlike the normal usb slave (your phone can connect to things ) , plus if you were to use your phone as a host it would need to power the connected device (ie. Keyboard)
some good news ...
Most roms built off of CM source have a bluetooth HID stack... So like me i use a bluetooth keyboard (logitech media board for ps3) and it works great. And drains the battery no more than a bluetooth head set.
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same goes to me
haha. A funny guy... lol.....
You should find driver for that keyboard... I think...
Try v.mote this is exactly what you want... just the opposite (the phone become a keyboard..)
Is there a possible way to connect a mouse to the pda? I hate when I try to play a online game the screen keeps sliding instead of acting as a mouse. Is there a way how I can use a mouse?
hopefully I'll get as much as answers as I do as views.
I'm interested in that too!
There's something called Teksoft USBInput - I just found it yesterday, but haven't tried it yet.
If you can get the right cable adapters put together, I'd imagine that it would work.
Yes, I agree with bdusmc! I too found USBInput not that long ago and have installed the software on my PPC. Recently though, I found the part I was looking for on ebay ($1 and free shipping) and ordered it. I assume it will be arriving soon and I anticipate seeing if it works. I'll let you know if it works, okay? I'm really hoping that it works because well, it would be amazing. Sure you have a slide out keyboard but hey, I have a full sized USB keyboard. WHAT NOW!? lol Ultimate friend pwnge will occur I'm sure. However, if I had the new keyboard from FastFingerKeyboards it would make things more practical then fun....
i think it should be possible and awesome
Sorry for the late response but I've been waiting on the replacement part. You see, it did not connect using the first mini USB to USB Female adapter I purchased nor on the second one I received just today. At this point I can not concluded if it is the adapter or another problem. Anyways, you're welcome to try it and let me know if you can get it to work... Maybe BlueInput would work. The sad thing about that is it uses bluetooth which will decrease the battery life rapidly and bluetooth keyboards are more expensive. Oh well!
As stated in the (www .blogtalkradio .com/motodev) Q&A session yesterday with Motorola about the Droid X, in answer to the question asked at the 29:00 mark,
"The only time that we are enabling the HDMI driver on the device is when you are in the gallery mode. [...] The HDMI driver is not active any time outside the gallery," where the "gallery mode" is their included photo/video viewer.
I'm wondering how true that is...
(www .pcmag .com/article2/0,2817,2365630,00.asp ) PCMag's review stated that the youtube player and blockbuster player were not able to use the hdmi out at all.
As seen in (forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=703111 ) this thread the evo 4g, which also has hdmi out, is capable of allowing any app that uses VideoView to utilize that output, but that's supported by the phone maker.
Will that usability be true on the droid x?
Could we figure out a way to bypass any limitations Motorola includes, and maybe even send (an upscaled version of) the main screen through the hdmi (not just video but anything we could put on the phone's screen)?
I was just at a motorola event and we were able to run nfl mobile through the hdmi.
Yes the tv was in an ice sculpture and yes it was connected to a droid x via the hdmi cable
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That's great news, thanks for letting us know!
The more apps with handshakes to the hdmi-out we have, the better for us to get it working completely openly
The whole media-center-and-phone-in-my-pocket is just a great idea imho...
With the hdmi out we could:
put any videos and pictures from any source up on your home tv
connect it to the projector at work and give presentations
go with a few bluetooth controllers to your friend's house and play multiplayer (even online) games on their tv with minimal cords to deal with
maybe even video-chat would be possible if you set up the phone with the camera facing out in front of the tv
... ok, that last one sounds like a pretty lame way to get video-chat, but it would save on having to have a computer/monitor/webcam when you wanted to
Of course this is all far into the future stages of development on the phone, but I'd rather create buzz and excitement to build up a developer and user base
Talked to a moto rep, said it might have been a beta device as licensing is what will prevent this thing from being turned on when it hits consumers hands. At least we know it can be done.
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no fun, i'm not much of a C programmer, but if it's just enabling or disabling the driver, I guess it comes down to the security on the phone. If you go into root, I suppose we should be able to start the driver. The only thing I fear is if the driver is signed and only a signed application can access it, then I think we might be SOL
I'm not particularly worried... if we get access to enough apps that use the hdmi driver, we should be able to document enough of the method.
I believe while the hardware can reject unsigned versions of the OS (roms), most apps are self-signed (see developer. android. com/guide/publishing/app-signing.html) so that shouldn't be a problem. We just have to figure out which hoops to jump through (following the programs that use hdmi) to get it to work. They'd have to leave the hoops pretty wide open or else risk the need of updating the thing every time a new app is released that needs to get through.
This is a mixed bag here. The reason why Motorola limited the hdmi driver is likely so they didn't have to put a fps cap on the droid x like htc put on the evo.
This is pure speculation here but I would imagine the way that the evo devs are going to "truly" overcome the fps cap is to mimic the droid x behavior of toggling on and off the hdmi drivers so that the evo can access up to 60 fps.
You guys are on the other end of the boat where by default your fps won't be artificially capped, but you likely won't have full access to the hdmi drivers at first.
I think the sweet spot for both phones is finding a happy medium where we can toggle the hdmi drivers at will.
Any news on this? I would really like to get rockplayer and youtube working through hdmi. In fact, I would like to get the entire OS through HDMI and possibly a bluetooth keyboard and mouse working so I can use it as a little media center pc.
2 way control
I would lime to see this pushed to.the level of controlling the phone through an hdmi touchscreen.
I thought we would be able to see pandora and other apps through the hdmi...This sucks the way it is...also does anyone think the sound is terrible through the hdmi?
There is no point int he HDMi at all if you can only use it for your pictures and your videos from the phone's camera.
They need to make it show what you see on the phone, but on the screen
I remember there was a windows mobiel program that popped up a small window on your desktop that let you see your phone's screen and interact with it on your monitor when connected through usb
anything like this for android?
sp1kez said:
There is no point int he HDMi at all if you can only use it for your pictures and your videos from the phone's camera.
They need to make it show what you see on the phone, but on the screen
I remember there was a windows mobiel program that popped up a small window on your desktop that let you see your phone's screen and interact with it on your monitor when connected through usb
anything like this for android?
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NO, the hdmi dock is a half ass design. For the $, it should do everything. MOTO/VZ dropped the ball on this. Hopefully they will open this up with a sw update.
Update: "Real HDMI" in the market
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=769990&highlight=control+hdmi
Hi,
I'm pretty new to Android development. So my understanding after reading a couple threads here is that HDMI access on the stock Droid X is limited to the gallery only, is that right? And the point of the "Real HDMI" app is that it will automatically redirect all output to the phone's display through HDMI, right? So no API exists which gives programmatic control over the HDMI port? That's a shame if so.
Do any of the Android devices allow easier HDMI port control or do we need these kinds of work arounds for all of them?
Thank you very much for any information anyone can provide.
Sorry to be a pest, but can anybody answer my questions? Should I consider posting somehwere else?
Thanks again.
commie64 said:
Sorry to be a pest, but can anybody answer my questions? Should I consider posting somehwere else?
Thanks again.
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Maybe try posting in the Real HDMI thread over at DroidXForums.com because username GMAN (who made real hdmi) has a thread there. I'm sure his knowledge of the subject is pretty extensive.
You may not know how useful USB host is. You can use USB stick (up to 32GB), USB keyboard, USB mouse.
If it had USB host, I'd buy it for sure (wifi only).
Sadly NO...
On German Amazon its possible to pre order the device and the datasheed isnt saying something about USB Host
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/B1gfmv71YkS.pdf
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0041RSF6Y/
This one was my favorite (because of the Phone capability) until you asked this very good question
Maybe they got it rooted in future and then its possible? (depends also on hardware...)
Greetz Tokl
I'd guess that its not going to ever have the capability without hacking. I don't think any device has that at the moment.
I guess what gets hacked depends on what the hackers think is worth doing, and I can see that USB host would be an especailly awesome thing for the Tab so hopefully it will get some interest.
If its a game breaker, you may well be disappoited for a long while tho. This kind of hacking doesn't happen over night.
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I'd guess that its not going to ever have the capability without hacking. I don't think any device has that at the moment.
If its a game breaker, you may well be disappoited for a long while tho. This kind of hacking doesn't happen over night.
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This is SO true. I remember people trying for years to hack USB host mode in to Nokia's Linux Tablets: the N770 and such. I wonder: Did they ever manage to do it?
LostAlone said:
I'd guess that its not going to ever have the capability without hacking. I don't think any device has that at the moment.
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Please someone correct me if I'm wrong (as I don't have the device in question) but doesn't the Nokia N8/E7 support just that? I seem to remember a video demonstration of the N8 supporting an USB memory stick.
Also, the Tab will have a dock that has a keyboard, so it's not totally impossible for it to have USB host capabilities.
AnttiV said:
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong (as I don't have the device in question) but doesn't the Nokia N8/E7 support just that? I seem to remember a video demonstration of the N8 supporting an USB memory stick.
Also, the Tab will have a dock that has a keyboard, so it's not totally impossible for it to have USB host capabilities.
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I don't know about the N8, sadly I just don't have much interest in that part of the mobile space. However, some googling seems to indicate that it is possible (news articles say so) but I don't know if its naitive or needs hacking.
As for the keyboard and stuff, thats a good point. I can't see them using a non-usb standard for that, so it must just be the proprietary connector that makes the difference. In that case, all we should need is a Tab-USB connector, and a few drivers. That would really give the tab some muscle.
In general can mobile devices support the USB min-harddrives ? The ones that power from the port ? If thats possible then the tab will kick serious ass. 250 gigs in your pocket for cheaper than a microSD card.
I'm not really a fan of Nokia's products either, although they USED to make great products they haven't done so in awhile. And I *hate* Symbian. Anyways, at least the N8 DOES have some USB Host capabilities:
"Among the Nokia N8's neater tricks is its support for USB On-The-Go, which basically lets you connect USB peripherals (flash drives, for example) to the phone and have it act as a host..."
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/30/nokia-n8s-usb-on-the-go-support-demoed-lesser-phones-turned-in/
That was almost perfectly offtopic, sorry for that ^_^
Oh, or not, perhaps! Look what I JUST found:
"USB Standard port adapter
With this kit your Galaxy Tab becomes a standard USB port. With this USB port you can synchronize your digital camera or other devices."
http://www.oled-display.net/more-sa...s-bluetooth-pen-standard-usb-adapter-and-more
Well if they are going to officially make an adapter then maybe we are going to get USB Host... I can't see how you could transfer things off a digicam without the Tab hosting it as a drive.
Well... This looks pretty awesome then.
But they *CAN* cripple the functionality to just mass-storage devices or perhaps just cameras, like Apple did with their USB Camera connection kit, or whatever it was called.
Let's just hope that Samsung doesn't go that route.
Hopefully samsung aren't that stupid Although in theory we should be able to hack it back open anyway, and its a good start at least.
Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but I'm also wondering about usb host (or at least OTG) on the Tab (as I'm considering buying on to port Meego to).
Could someone who has the keyboard doc post the dmesg output once it's been plugged in please?
From some dmesg output I saw elsewhere (but not with the keyboard dock), it appears that the USB chipset is an OTG version, and seeing it act in host mode with the keyboard doc plugged in would be a nice confirmation.
I Would be interested to see the anser for this one.
Yes it is launched (mainly for photographers) i have seen it's price, very cool cheap at £10000 plus something!
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It's not the Fools Day yet, so keep your jokes at bay.
OK, I just ordered a keyboard dock and I'll have a look. I'll post a dmesg output and open it to see if the PCB is marked in any way.
According to the pinout (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9925838) there seems to be no other way for data to flow apart from USB.
So one of the following must (should) be true:
1. Samsung is reusing the pins for a proprietary protocol -probably reconfiguring the device by pulling up or down other pins.
2. The device is capable of host/OTG mode but it is probably unpowered and it probably needs a pin pull-up/pull-down to enable.
3. The keyboard is using unidentified pins, and the USB pins are used simply for the PC connection and power.
Does anyone know if the keyboard acts as a proper dock? i.e. when you connect it to the pc does it work at the same time as (say) KIES or drive mount?
Just a quick update, the keyboard was just shipped, and I should have it by Tuesday.
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Hi,
Just wondering whether you got any further with this?
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There was a problem with my order (the company didn't have any in stock) and the keyboard hasn't arrived yet. Still waiting!
I'll post the moment it arrives.
EDIT: Normally I would name and shame the company, but they are sending me a couple of freebies for their mistake so I'm happy
USB host
This is a good concept. I have an Archos 70 and a Galaxy tab. Archos has a micro usb port with which I connected my USB host adapter and the key board and mouse works . Flash drive and router dongle says more power required. So I am looking for a powered USB connector for this.
Unfortunately, Galaxy tab has different cable and I dont know if I can find a host cable for this. Any suggestion?
Worth a shot?
After reading this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9925838
I checked the G-Tab pinout :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDMI
and tried to ground pin 13 to put the tab in host mode last night... needless to say since I'm typing this on my computer... epic fail. However, I'm curious if anyone else has had any success with this.
I'm not too much of a fan of buying something to destroy... but if I have to disassemble a dock to get the pinout for monitor mode... suck!
Anyone have any advice as to what I jacked up here?
I recently got a carrying case for about $8 for my kfhd. It also comes with a built in keyboard, which is very cool. To see if I could use it, I also purchased a micro USB to USB in order to connect, but it doesn't work at all.
I'm assuming this is because of the closed os. Once a bypass or stable ROM gets released, will using an external keyboard ever be a possibility?
I've seen the nexus 7 connected to a micro keyboard via usb so its a possibility if you went with a straight android ROM, but the bootloader still needs to be cracked first. I can't remember if the KFHD has bluetooth, otherwise you can try bluetooth keyboard.
Edit: appears that KFHD only has bluetooth for headphones and speakers according to their site. I just returned my KFHD and got a Nexus 7 and typing with my HP touchpad bluetooth keyboard on my Nexus 7 Small things like this, not even being able to use an external keyboard right off the bat adds to the list of returning the KFHD making me go with another device.
Yes, I suppose it's only a matter of time before someone gets the bootloader to work.
I'm hoping my time invested in waiting will pay off with better hardware capabilities
I didn't want to play that wild card so I returned my KFHD and picked up the N7. There were devs exchanging comments on a thread in the general section but any talk on there seems to have ceased, so that is not a good sign in my opinion. I'm sure they are working on it and I'll kick myself when the bootloader unlocks but its not a chance I can take right now.
If you have a BT keyboard in hand, doesn't hurt to try. Someone said they got a BT game controller to work.