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I've been thinking to get a g1 soon because now they will be a little cheaper because of the release of the mytouch 3g. I don't plan on getting the data plan because i dont need it. (please dont ask why)
I've read this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=452316) by JesusFreke on how to "How to register the G1 without a sim or data plan". It states you need RC29, RC30 modded version or any earlier version.
My question is lets say i have RC 33, can i download the update for RC28, rename it to update.zip and update my phone that way so i can register it through wifi?
I plan on getting the updates though http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=OTA_Updates.
Thanks
bug666 said:
I've been thinking to get a g1 soon because now they will be a little cheaper because of the release of the mytouch 3g. I don't plan on getting the data plan because i dont need it. (please dont ask why)
I've read this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=452316) by JesusFreke on how to "How to register the G1 without a sim or data plan". It states you need RC29, RC30 modded version or any earlier version.
My question is lets say i have RC 33, can i download the update for RC28, rename it to update.zip and update my phone that way so i can register it through wifi?
I plan on getting the updates though http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=OTA_Updates.
Thanks
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When you flash the rc29 image you would go into bootloader cam + power which looks for the .nbh file instead of update.zip.
so in simple terms, yes it will work?
I've updated my friends g1 with the official tmobile 1.5 update which i got on the web before them
so im guessing it will be the same process?
Yes it will work.
are you a t-mobile us costumer? Then you HAVE to get a data plan. I don't even think T-Mo will subsidize a G1 without it, so unless you're planning to get an unlocked one... Also, when you get it, and if you somehow manage to get it without a data plan, you still have to activate it, and guess what, that requires you to have a data connection. Lastly, if you do manage to get that (just use somebody's sim that has a g1 data plan), you're going to have to ask yourself, now what do I do with it? The phone, w/o a data plan, is only good for music, or phone calls, or pictures. No gmail, no market, no picture messaging, you might as well get a motorola
jubeh said:
are you a t-mobile us costumer? Then you HAVE to get a data plan. I don't even think T-Mo will subsidize a G1 without it, so unless you're planning to get an unlocked one... Also, when you get it, and if you somehow manage to get it without a data plan, you still have to activate it, and guess what, that requires you to have a data connection. Lastly, if you do manage to get that (just use somebody's sim that has a g1 data plan), you're going to have to ask yourself, now what do I do with it? The phone, w/o a data plan, is only good for music, or phone calls, or pictures. No gmail, no market, no picture messaging, you might as well get a motorola
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Now that's not entirely true... If you live around places where you are connected via WiFi most of the time, you won't even notice (I don't have a data plan so I know...) There are guides on how to register without SIM or data plan, and I got an unlocked G1 for $150, which is comparable to some of the deals on G1s with 2yr plan.
But he is right about the picture messaging, unless you have a data plan for that, you won't receive them. I have a 1MB plan with AT&T and just added their APN manually and I get picture messages no problem.
h.nocturna said:
Now that's not entirely true... If you live around places where you are connected via WiFi most of the time, you won't even notice (I don't have a data plan so I know...) There are guides on how to register without SIM or data plan, and I got an unlocked G1 for $150, which is comparable to some of the deals on G1s with 2yr plan.
But he is right about the picture messaging, unless you have a data plan for that, you won't receive them. I have a 1MB plan with AT&T and just added their APN manually and I get picture messages no problem.
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Wow $150? Man I got mine used for $250 locked. (I'm getting an unlock code though hopefully)
I also use my G1 w/o a data plan because I have Wifi everywhere I go. Yes, you can activate it over Wifi. I don't know about MMS/Text because I don't use them. Emails good enough for me
B-man007 said:
Wow $150? Man I got mine used for $250 locked. (I'm getting an unlock code though hopefully)
I also use my G1 w/o a data plan because I have Wifi everywhere I go. Yes, you can activate it over Wifi. I don't know about MMS/Text because I don't use them. Emails good enough for me
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yeah, bought it off craigslist.
You can only activate over WiFi if you use the guide on how to do it, or if you use one of the ROMs with that feature built in... the default ROM will force you to activate using data (I added my APN for that). Texting works without problems, but MMS(aka Picture Messaging) requires data, WiFi will not work for it.
Hey everyone and before I start I would like to say thank you for everyone that helps and any help is greatly appreciated!
Ok, so I bought an unlocked T-Mobile G1 off of eBay and I plan to use it on the Rogers Canada network. I inserted my friends Rogers SIM and it works perfectly, just he has no data plan so I was unable to get past the enter your gmail account screen. I will get a Rogers SIM card for myself soon, but seeing as I just spent $450 on the phone I don't have much money left to pay for a plan right away, but I would still like to be able to use the phone for things like internet over WiFi and such until then.
I believe the phone has RC30 on it or higher because as I read here if I enter "<enter>reboot<enter>" and nothing happens I have RC30 or higher. Does this mean I am going to have to wait until I have a data plan with Rogers to begin using my new toy?
Thanks again for any help,
Brad
cant you skip the gmail account part?
bradtraver said:
Hey everyone and before I start I would like to say thank you for everyone that helps and any help is greatly appreciated!
Ok, so I bought an unlocked T-Mobile G1 off of eBay and I plan to use it on the Rogers Canada network. I inserted my friends Rogers SIM and it works perfectly, just he has no data plan so I was unable to get past the enter your gmail account screen. I will get a Rogers SIM card for myself soon, but seeing as I just spent $450 on the phone I don't have much money left to pay for a plan right away, but I would still like to be able to use the phone for things like internet over WiFi and such until then.
I believe the phone has RC30 on it or higher because as I read here if I enter "<enter>reboot<enter>" and nothing happens I have RC30 or higher. Does this mean I am going to have to wait until I have a data plan with Rogers to begin using my new toy?
Thanks again for any help,
Brad
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~sigh~ there's already a guide on how to activate your phone using WiFi without the data plan. Go search it up. Once you can access the phone, you can check your version by going into Settings>About Phone if its over RC30, then just downgrade to RC29 and root it using the guide. Also, you can look up the Roger APN settings and just manually add it in to temporarily use the data connection to activate the phone and then just turn it off when you're done. That's what I did. Once you get to the activate screen, just hit menu, APNs, then add APN and google the Roger Network APN settings and enter those in.
How do I downgrade from RC30+ to RC29? All the tutorials I have found say I need to change the settings (which I can not do because I can not get past the No Sim Card / Emergency Call screen).
Could I follow this tutorial (minus the unlocking) and put in the Rogers APN using the EDGE connection to activate it?
bradtraver said:
Could I follow this tutorial (minus the unlocking) and put in the Rogers APN using the EDGE connection to activate it?
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Yes, that's what I was trying to say above...
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Yes, that's what I was trying to say above...
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Ok, thanks. I just wasn't sure which tutorial you were refering to and if I could use EDGE instead of 3G to set it up.
Ok, so I got a SIM card, got it activated, got these apn settings (i found when i put 720 for mnc instead of 72 the EDGE logo showed up) and it shows 4 bars for signal and it shows the E logo with the up and down arrows but it still says my SIM card is not provisioned for data services, but it is. Any help?
Thanks,
Brad
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I just realized that the up and down arrows even flash white every once in a while while it tries to communicate with google but it still fails. I really want to use my phone
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Ok, so I got a SIM card, got it activated, got these apn settings (i found when i put 720 for mnc instead of 72 the EDGE logo showed up) and it shows 4 bars for signal and it shows the E logo with the up and down arrows but it still says my SIM card is not provisioned for data services, but it is. Any help?
Thanks,
Brad
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I just realized that the up and down arrows even flash white every once in a while while it tries to communicate with google but it still fails. I really want to use my phone
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Try the WiFi method.
I can not figure out how to run the adb program. I installed RC29 and enabled adb on the G1 but I can not get the program to run on my computer..
bradtraver said:
I can not figure out how to run the adb program. I installed RC29 and enabled adb on the G1 but I can not get the program to run on my computer..
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What's wrong with the adb on your computer? Its hard to help when I don't know what's wrong.
Sorry, I didn't mean anything is wrong with it, just I can not figure out how to run it.. I read that I have to install eclipse and then update it with adb here, is this correct?
bradtraver said:
Sorry, I didn't mean anything is wrong with it, just I can not figure out how to run it.. I read that I have to install eclipse and then update it with adb here, is this correct?
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? Shouldn't be that hard. Just grab the SDK from somewhere, its everywhere, just use google. Then once you have it, you go under tools and you should see the adb.exe as well AdbWinApi.dll, take both of those, and copy them to c:\android (make a new folder). Then plug the phone into the computer, but do not mount it. Go to device manager and look for the Android Device (or whatever it may be called). Update the drivers to the ones found under usb_drivers from the SDK and you should have adb up and running.
To use it, go into command prompt (cmd) and type:
cd c:\android
then from there, run your adb commands.
It worked! I cant thank you enough!
bradtraver said:
It worked! I cant thank you enough!
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No problem, this is what this forum is for, could you do us a favor and added [SOLVED] to your title so others know?
Will do, one thing though.. How do I change it?
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Will do, one thing though.. How do I change it?
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Edit your first post and change the title from there.
I would like to say, just to follow up I am now getting to know my way around ADB fairly well, I have updated my phone to Cupcake, realized I wanted a rooted phone, downgraded to RC29, updated to JFv1.41 because I couldn't find a working 1.51 build online, then am updating to 1.51 now. I would just like to say thank you so much, I have learned everything here so far and can not thank you enough!
-Brad
Again, you're very welcome.
I plan on buying a second hand G1 and rooting it and installing CyanogenMOD 4.0.1. I currently just have a HTC Juno (Shadow) with no data plan and I do not want to get one, is there a way I can disable data so I don't get charged? And do I have to change the APN to use MMS and or SMS with out a data plan? Thank you.
also, will T-mobile give me a unlock code if I didn't buy the G1 from them? (I am a subscriber for more than 90 days)
i have the same question.
thx 4 help.
Just disable the sync and your good to go. Also if u dont have data plan, they wont charge you because it will not work. Thats how Tmobile is anyways. FInally I dont think Tmobile will give you one, just go purchase off of the internet.
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Just disable the sync and your good to go. Also if u dont have data plan, they wont charge you because it will not work. Thats how Tmobile is anyways. FInally I dont think Tmobile will give you one, just go purchase off of the internet.
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Ok, thanks. I didn't know if they would just start charging me per mb. And do you have to change the APN to get MMS with out data, cause I have unlimited messaging but I heard that MMS uses data on the G1?
shaolinx said:
Just disable the sync and your good to go. Also if u dont have data plan, they wont charge you because it will not work. Thats how Tmobile is anyways. FInally I dont think Tmobile will give you one, just go purchase off of the internet.
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Actually you have apps that go out and try to get updates and other info without you know, so just turning off sync won't work. There is an app on the market (can't remember the name) that stops all outgoing data.
Thx for the answers!
Could anyone tell us the name of this app?
If I remember right it's droid"something" or "something"droid, but of course without the "something"
And you will be charged if you don't have a data plan if you don't stop the data from going out.
here is the app!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=541380
its called " droid wall"
Yep that's it. I knew it was droid somthing.
First, T-mobile WILL give you an unlock code for a secondhand G1 if you're not delinquent and have been a customer for 90+ days. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. You have that "feature" every 90 days.
Second, T-mobile tracks G1s (and I'm sure MyTouch3Gs) by IMEI on their network, so they DO KNOW what phone you have. I think you can circumvent the need to buy a data plan, but more than likely you'll receive a "upgrade" message every time your phone tries to download some data. Could just be annoying, but if you're not using data, you might be able to get away with it.
That being said, why buy a smartphone if you're not going to use it as one? I can promise, you won't enjoy your phone to the fullest without data. Sorry.
Thank you everyone for your help.
I know it seems dumb to have a smart phone w/o data, but I don't really wanna pay t-mobile for it. And I can just use wi-fi most of the time.
uansari1 said:
That being said, why buy a smartphone if you're not going to use it as one? I can promise, you won't enjoy your phone to the fullest without data. Sorry.
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Actually, I think that data is a waste of money. I survive and enjoy my android just fine without it. Most places that people visit and commute to everyday has access to WiFi(school,home,work,cafe,etc). There is no need to pay the double bill, unless the said places doesnt have wifi.
I just receive my g1 from ebay and it had plenty of contacts that I didnt want to delete one by one so I decided to erase verything on the phone and now Im stuck at the google login cause it seem it dont want to connect with my provider wich is Fido, if I got to the store to get a data plan just to connect to it will it be enough or I must have a t-mobile data plan to connect to phone?
forken said:
I just receive my g1 from ebay and it had plenty of contacts that I didnt want to delete one by one so I decided to erase verything on the phone and now Im stuck at the google login cause it seem it dont want to connect with my provider wich is Fido, if I got to the store to get a data plan just to connect to it will it be enough or I must have a t-mobile data plan to connect to phone?
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This should do it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=452316
seem like a have a rc30 or more... cause the enter reboot enter thing didnt work...what can I do from now? thanks for this btw.
Sign up for a Gmail account. You don't have to use it for email, but in order to take full advantage of your phone you'll need it.
My problem right now is that im at Rc34 I think and my sim card doesnt have a data plan so I cant get past the google setup for connectin to google mail.
There is no rc34, after rc33 it went to cupcake and than crc1 which is the current build, wipe your phone, install a dev phone image like cyan's rom and then you can bypass gmail sign in
so I could just root my g1 without havin to go the google registration and then connect to it when im rooted?
forken said:
so I could just root my g1 without havin to go the google registration and then connect to it when im rooted?
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exactly....
Well i got a g1 that is unlocked and i was using it but my son got hold of it and it is now asking me to set up an account with google but how can i set up the account when i am in mexico and the data is not working in my phone. Does anyone know of a way to bypass the google registration thank you.
elvences said:
Well i got a g1 that is unlocked and i was using it but my son got hold of it and it is now asking me to set up an account with google but how can i set up the account when i am in mexico and the data is not working in my phone. Does anyone know of a way to bypass the google registration thank you.
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If you are using one of the cooked ROMs from here, you should have a Skip button, if not, I am not aware of any way to get past it.
Umm if your phone rooted or unlocked theres a diffrence and like Talderon said if you have a cooked rom most likely you can just skip it but maybe your phone's not rooted its just unlocked to use other carriers like AT&T and such i dont kno so
is it Unlocked or Rooted?
13 posts, so I am guessing he does not have a rooted phone.
Search on here for activating using WiFi, and not your data plan.
u never kno maybe he dont kno the termanology maybe he got it from someone maybe who knows maybe doesnt kno the rite word for what he has caus there is a diffrence betweek rooted and unlocked just clairfying S151 so chill
You can try this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=452316
However, if your phone is not rooted or you have a newer (post R29) Stock ROM on the phone, this won't work, but worth a shot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=452316
well I have a RC30 because after I tried the intructions on how to register the G1 without sim or data plan it did not reboot so I dont have a RC29 what else can I do.
im pretty sure thats the only way to do it......
if you manage to root your phone, you'll have a bunch of fun stuff you can do with it