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Using a rooted NC with the 2.2 Market I'm not able to find certain apps such as NFS Shift, Jet Car Stunts and many others. I also have a Droid and I can get these apps by purchasing them on the Droid, locating the APK and then transferring them to the NC but I would really like to figure out how to get these apps to show up in the Market on the NC. I've edited the build.prop file about 20 different ways but I'm not having much luck. Has anyone else been able to figure this out?
I'm having the same issue and no luck finding an answer by searching. Apps like Forum Runner are not showing up. Anyone have a solution?
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Using a rooted NC with the 2.2 Market I'm not able to find certain apps such as NFS Shift, Jet Car Stunts and many others. I also have a Droid and I can get these apps by purchasing them on the Droid, locating the APK and then transferring them to the NC but I would really like to figure out how to get these apps to show up in the Market on the NC. I've edited the build.prop file about 20 different ways but I'm not having much luck. Has anyone else been able to figure this out?
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Apps are available or filtered based on device type and locale. So, it is highly likely that the software you are looking for not showing because of that.
I went the build.prop editing route as well, to no avail. Have you tried nookie froyo marketplace yet? i didn't compare that, but i know our devices are listed as the same device there, and I'd be very curious to see if the same apps are filtered on nookie froyo...
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...Have you tried nookie froyo marketplace yet? i didn't compare that, but i know our devices are listed as the same device there, and I'd be very curious to see if the same apps are filtered on nookie froyo...
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Yeah the same apps are filtered there as well.
The market on the NOOKcolor, even if it looks like the new market, will only show applications that conform to the Android API 7 API level (2.1 and below). FroYo apps all conform to the Android API 8, so they won't show up on your nook unless you drop FroYo onto it.
The market automatically filters applications that may be "too much" for your device. Sideloading them is the only way around this limitation.
Source: http://developer.android.com/guide/a...pi-levels.html
I searched and found nothing helpful. So...what is the best rom for daily use with the least amount of problems. I would like to be able to play games, surf the interwebs and read.
Preferably eclair or froyo, I don't give a shiz about gingerbread. I wouldn't mind if youtube worked and would like to be able to purchase games that don't show on my market now.
I am currently using whatever rom is with auto-nooter. I have a wife and kids that also enjoy everything that the rooted nook offers. Much thanks.
There aren't any ROMs available for the NC yet, except for the Nookie Froyo.
There are, however, a few kernels, that over clock your NC for extra performance.
I myself am using 1ghz-omap3630 version that overclocks my NC to 1ghz! Everything flies at 1ghz. You can find more info here.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=925451
Before you start flashing any ROM/kernels be sure to undestand what you are getting into.. There are no other benefits of flashing these kernels except for the increased speed.
As for YouTube,.. it works! I use YouTube often. You might just need to wipe the data via Titanium Backup, and don't sign in again.. Also, my Market shows most of the apps for 2.1 or below.. what app you looking for that is not showing up?
I have been having small issues with my nook, nothing huge. I just would rather not have to set the screen timeout everytime I turn it on. And small issuses with softkeys. As for the market, mostly any 3d games aren't shown. I understand its what the market thinks is best but if were clocking in @ 1.1ghz then why can't I download something like downhill bowling? Or let's golf? I have a tab disguised as a reader and want to show it off.
As for knowing what I'm getting into, I don't know a ton but I rooted my old G1 and flashed new stuff since android began. But a hacker I am not. Just a quick learner. I just ask questions when I get stuck. Had my G2 for a few months now, I just love android.
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I've seen some comparison made in threads, but most are partial, and while I've looked into Froyo quite a bit, and even made a hack at it, I haven't come to fully understand why I should. So I thought it might be helpful to have a Pro/Con differentiation between the two; why did you go through the effort to Froyo? Why didn't you? I know some have gone Froyo and then back to Eclair. I'll try to edit this post into a list once we have some good comparisons thrown out here.
Alright, after playing with the latest Froyo and looking at this thread so far, the tentative list for newbz0rz to consider is here.
The List:
Froyo 6.6
+Flash (!)
+Higher Benchmark scores, possibly faster in certain ways
+Higher compatibility with certain apps
+Potentially more configurable
+Cut and paste
+JIT compiler (potentially increases speed)
+Launchers behave properly (i.e. add shortcuts)
+Text-to-Speech
-Choppy Flash (!)
-More effort and time (lots more) to setup equivalently capable features
-Higher risk of Nook destruction (although still low)
-Higher risk of lots of work rescuing Nook from the grave/brickyard
-No Nook Color features (i.e. B&N apps, in store access, reader, magazines, etc)
-Buggy-ish sometimes (Unstable) :-(
*-Different users seem to report very different experiences; thus, we'll just call Froyo Inconsistent
-Ignores internal 5GB storage
-Ugly notification bar mis-sizing
1.1.0 Rooted
+Stability (Consistency in a stable experience, compared to Froyo)
+Some claim smoother overall
+B&N "experience" (FWIW)
+magazines, built-in reader for those who prefer it (hint: Aldiko is better)
+Status/Notification bar at bottom with back/menu keys
-Ye Olde Android 2.1
*-No JIT
*-No Flash
-Incompatible with shiny new 2.2+ apps (not very many of those, but still)
-Possibly slower, benchmarks lower
-Dialogs don't display correctly due to B&N system configuration
-Many alternative keyboards don't work properly
-No Cut and Paste
*Evernote was a dealbreaker for me, oddly enough. I use it all the time. Also, 6.6 Froyo broke my ADB somehow, and was a huge pain for very little gain. Gotta love Nandroid. 1.1.0 rooted does 95% of what I want, while Froyo does the 5% it can't do and breaks another 10% of what already worked. But that's just me. I can wait for CM7/ a more stable Froyo before I get flash. Honestly, what flash content do I want to watch on my tablet that I cant use my netbook/desktop for? I'll stop asking questions I don't want the answer to.
The biggest plus for froyo for me was flash content. The negative is Thai it is not as smooth as 1.1.
haven't tried 1.1 yet, but froyo+launcherPro+dolphin browser is as smooth as a phone. also, plus flash content
It really comes down to this:
Rooted 1.1.0 is for people who want to have the basic(older, no flash) tablet expirence, on a platorm which runs well and requires little to no cmd-line/linux/etc. knowledge.
Rooted 1.1.0 OC'ed to .950/1.0/1.1ghz only requires a couple hours of development forum reading, a little bravery, and a NC that can handle it.
Nookie Froyo 6.6 OC'ed to 1.0/1.1ghz ON SD CARD again, only forces you to read the respective threads(twice) and have an available micro SD card(at least class-4 4gb). This is a good method to start out with because if you mess it up, just reflash the SD card.
Nookie Froyo 6.6 OC'ed 1.1ghz INSTALLED TO EMMC is not over-the-top hard. It just requires a lot of dedicated hours understanding what exactly the flash images are doing to your device. Being comforable while working in cmd-prompt/linux/android-system is a must. Acceptance of the fact that, doing so *can* break your $250 toy.
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The biggest plus for froyo for me was flash content. The negative is Thai it is not as smooth as 1.1.
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agreed Flash was upsetting otherwise i would of kept it as 1.1 right now i dual boot w/ 66 and 1.1 but using froyo i really only go back to read my magazine subscriptions, and i like the back and menu softkeys setup on the bottom in teh 1.1 not so much in froyo
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It really comes down to this:
Nookie Froyo 6.6 OC'ed 1.1ghz INSTALLED TO EMMC is not over-the-top hard. It just requires a lot of dedicated hours understanding what exactly the flash images are doing to your device. Being comforable while working in cmd-prompt/linux/android-system is a must. Acceptance of the fact that, doing so *can* break your $250 toy.
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I've yet to see anyone break their $250 doing so. (In fact I don't see how it could break it). Also it doesn't require being fluent in any of those. Can you copy and paste? Okay well then youre set. Also, with people posting builds coming preinstalled with needed apps makes even using the command prompt almost uneeded (the only thing that needs to be pushed is the market).
The real downside to froyo is the lack of the B&N soft-keys on the bottom, meaning there isn't always a back and menu button on screen.
To Sum:
Froyo = Lack of softkeys permanetly there
Eclair = Slower, Lack of Flash
I tried NF for a little bit. I still have the card sitting somewhere.
For some reason, I don't feel the need to get Froyo on here until I can easily flash it like any other Android device.
I seem to remember there were certain compatibility issues along with slower benchmark results on Froyo. Is this no longer true?
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I seem to remember there were certain compatibility issues along with slower benchmark results on Froyo. Is this no longer true?
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Not that I know of. Froyo Quadrant scores are a full 400 or so points above eclair.
I've got rooted/OC'd 1.1Ghz 1.1 on mine.
I don't feel the need to go to Froyo.
Once Honeycomb is perfected, though, I am SOOOOOOOO there.
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I've yet to see anyone break their $250 doing so. (In fact I don't see how it could break it). Also it doesn't require being fluent in any of those. Can you copy and paste? Okay well then youre set. Also, with people posting builds coming preinstalled with needed apps makes even using the command prompt almost uneeded (the only thing that needs to be pushed is the market).
The real downside to froyo is the lack of the B&N soft-keys on the bottom, meaning there isn't always a back and menu button on screen.
To Sum:
Froyo = Lack of softkeys permanetly there
Eclair = Slower, Lack of Flash
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True, the chances of bricking the nook color are remote. But as you can see from the dev threads, even they have warnings. Because the odds dramaticaly increase when one starts messing with system and boot mounts, or over-clocking the hardware.
The reason why I stressed the understanding of what exactly your doing, when you flash the emmc or uImage, is there are many conflicting/confusing instructions involved If you take things verbatum from threads. I just don't think it's something a novice user should try at the moment. Especialy with the loss of the abilty to do a CWM recovery(I know about the sd images and swaping the cards out to do a backup, others don't, nor have more than one sd card)
Froyo does infact have Back and Menu buttons in the status bar.
you just need to push a couple files found in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=932631
The real problem with nookie Froyo is that it's still not a daily driver. It's buggy(to an extent), it's always being updated(annoying, but part of the fun), and frankly 1.1.0 just runs better.
I am surprised that nobody bothered to mention that with Froyo, currently, you lose the ability to veiw kids picture books, newspapers, and magazines. If you care about any of that stuff, you have to stay with 1.1.0
waiting for guys at Cyanogen to release the nightlies for NC
i tried froyo last night since you can now flash through recovery.
it was a painless install but then i had to get adb running to install gapps and sdcard fix.
after running it for awhile it isn't bad but still not as smooth as 2.1. not sure why people are posting that its faster as it is not. it's little more choppy overall and has hardware acceleration problems when playing movies. as some have mentioned it is annoying not having the navigation buttons without the nook bottom bar.
i am also just waiting for cm7 and i'll say goodbye to eclair forever. it was a breeze restoring back to stock through recovery and will probably try the next update of froyo now that I know what I'm doing.
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I've got rooted/OC'd 1.1Ghz 1.1 on mine.
I don't feel the need to go to Froyo.
Once Honeycomb is perfected, though, I am SOOOOOOOO there.
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This is my exact standpoint.
If a Honeycomb (That isn't just the SDK preview) is made for the NC, I will be downloading it.
So we've got a working list running for reference; I'm sure some people have more to add? This kind of thing would have saved me a lot of time a few months ago, let alone now with the increase in crazy options.
Thanks for this list, its awesome. It helps address the questions.
I am ofcourse going to try froyo since its so easy to do so but I wanted to help decide what was going to be my daily driver, etc.
CM7 is built on 2.3 AOSP right? I am excited to read above that nightlies are coming soon?!?!?
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True, the chances of bricking the nook color are remote. But as you can see from the dev threads, even they have warnings.
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The warning are there as a just in case. These roms won't short out any circuits (short of the Overclocking one) and are just standard warnings. Since the NC boots to the SD card first it shouldn't be bricked. In fact if you wish to claim it can brick it then I can equally make a claim nooter will.
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(I know about the sd images and swaping the cards out to do a backup, others don't, nor have more than one sd card)
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You don't need more than one sd card. I only have one and have successfully recovered when I was trying to do some edits myself.
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Froyo does infact have Back and Menu buttons in the status bar.
you just need to push a couple files found in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=932631
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That is actually glitchy and if you read the developer even stated it himself later on. He said instead of releasing a custom ROM to fix the problems he'll just release the source code in case anyone really wants them
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The real problem with nookie Froyo is that it's still not a daily driver. It's buggy(to an extent), it's always being updated(annoying, but part of the fun), and frankly 1.1.0 just runs better.
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Eclair is buggy to an extent as well and on the issue of which runs better we'll have to agree to disagree since we can only have it based on opinion. Froyo has higher quadrant scores, and runs much smoother for me. As for compatability I'll test evernote later, but I dont know of any apps I've tested that don't work in froyo but do in eclair, while theres quite a few 2.2 exclusive apps that obviously won't work in eclair. But for those who can't get apps to work in 2.2 that did in 2.1 might be worth more than those 2.2 exclusives
In the end I would suggest just dual-booting Froyo and Eclair. Theres a simple download over the developers forum's that allows this. You just put it on an sd card, then type one line on your nook and you can test both of them and decide for yourself, while always having one for backup
How is the 1.1 g?
I feel quite the opposite, I think the B&N 2.1 experience is horrible.
B&N 2.1
- Dialogs don't display right due to B&N system configuration
- Keyboards don't work properly and if the keyboard does not have the settings in the UI there is now way to configure it due to B&N config
- No Cut and Paste. The work around are horrible.
- Default B&N Apps are horrible by far the worst apps in every field.
- System settings are non standard and accessing app configurations is very difficult.
- No JIT compiler causes apps to run slower.
- Launchers do not work properly because of missing
- No Text-to-speech.
- Random reboots multiple times a day.
- Games are sluggish, basic games are just fine.
Froyo 2.2 (0.5.8)
+ JIT compiler
+ Can get the nook 4 android app (which I think is better than their stock reader)
+ Cut-n-paste
+ Text-to-speech
+ More Stable( reboots on me twice a week)
+ Default Android back end so configuring keyboard apps and other apps is possible.
+ Launchers behave properly.
+ Access to more Market apps.
+ Game experience is much smoother(thanks to the JIT).
What bugs do you see on the Froyo that you don't see on the Stock nook. If anything I've seen more issues running stock nook than foryo?
Hey, I've been considering buying a nook to install android on for home tablet use since I can get one from work for a decent price and my tax return is burning a hole in my pocket.
But as a good consumer I do a little research and I just had a few questions about it first.
How is the battery life on this device?
Is it really worth buying to install android on? (Have not looked at how to do it so I don't know if it's an inconvenience to do.)
Are there cheaper alternatives to an android tablet if android is an inconvenience to install on it?
Thanks!
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Hey, I've been considering buying a nook to install android on for home tablet use since I can get one from work for a decent price and my tax return is burning a hole in my pocket.
But as a good consumer I do a little research and I just had a few questions about it first.
How is the battery life on this device?
Is it really worth buying to install android on? (Have not looked at how to do it so I don't know if it's an inconvenience to do.)
Are there cheaper alternatives to an android tablet if android is an inconvenience to install on it?
Thanks!
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First Battery life is a good 6-8+ hours depending on what your using. Having Wifi on all the time and running graphical Heavy games will drain the battery faster.
2nd, The Nook Color, already has android 2.1 on it, you can very easily root the device to enable full use of the rom. There are also several Custom Roms you can install on it instead of the Stock rom.
These can all be found in the Developers forum.
Currently you can install
CM7 (Ginger Bread 2.3.2)
Nookie Froyo (Froyo 2.2)
Honey Comb Preview (Based on HC Preview SDK Running A top 2.1 Kernel)
The Nook Color is very Capable Tablet, I have yet to run across a game that it can't handle, you will sometimes find programs that arent designed to run on the inch screen, or you might find apps that wont run on the rom you are using, but over all Most things work perfectly on it.
currently the only thing I really wish it had was Bluetooth, Which it will have when CM7 is fully done for it.
Its great
I like it...I have never run the battery down past 50 even when my phone and Eris was like at 10 so good battery. I dont ever bring a charge for it and dont see a need to do more than a nightly charge.
Very good tablet and works great with Android, the software is new so there are kinks, but they are getting worked out quickly. Overall a great little piece of tech and definitely the cheapest capable tablet.
I just picked up mine on Sunday and I've got to say after rooting it and installing a custom rom I am more than impressed. It's a very good buy for the money.
To keep my Waranty I just run Froyo off a 4 gb class 6 MicroSD without rooting my Stock and I'm very satisfied. Much more Mobile then an iPad.
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I opted for book color after buying an apad and being incredibly miserable with it. My children have micro cruz tablets and while they are good for the kids, angry birds and a TON of other stuff wont install to cruz. Rooted or not. NC is far enough into development that it is a kicker of a tablet for the price.
Alas apad is a horrible horrible waste of money. Cruz is ok. But doesn't run a ton of apps.
Screen wise the nook is incredible! Good luck to ya!
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I opted for book color after buying an apad and being incredibly miserable with it. My children have micro cruz tablets and while they are good for the kids, angry birds and a TON of other stuff wont install to cruz. Rooted or not. NC is far enough into development that it is a kicker of a tablet for the price.
Alas apad is a horrible horrible waste of money. Cruz is ok. But doesn't run a ton of apps.
Screen wise the nook is incredible! Good luck to ya!
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Ignoring the grammer there I pretty much agrea with him.
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japzone said:
Ignoring the grammer there I pretty much agrea with him.
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Hahhaa I can't belive i typed nook instead of book.
Lol
Ipad knock off apad is horrible, not sure which grammar you are referring too!
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i bought my wife a NC for christmas and overall think its a fantastic investment. heck you can watch You Tube videos on it running side by side with a Galaxy Tab and it holds its own. the Tab has a faster processor but for the money and the capabilities i would never spend money on a knock off when i can get a NC for 250. It works great for a tab, even if it doesnt have like the camera stuff on it.
If you are anything like me don't do it! You will suddenly spend a lot of time on this forum, your productivity at work will drop and you will piss off you wife!!!
Just joking!!!
jimmyz said:
If you are anything like me don't do it! You will suddenly spend a lot of time on this forum, your productivity at work will drop and you will piss off you wife!!!
Just joking!!!
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Wish I had seen a warning like this before I took the plunge. Your prediction has come true for me my friend !
Totally loving this thing with Nookie Froyo on it. Not getting much done at home these days . . wife will surely kill me soon!
Bluetooth I thought bluetooth was built in?
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therealguppy said:
First Battery life is a good 6-8+ hours depending on what your using. Having Wifi on all the time and running graphical Heavy games will drain the battery faster.
2nd, The Nook Color, already has android 2.1 on it, you can very easily root the device to enable full use of the rom. There are also several Custom Roms you can install on it instead of the Stock rom.
These can all be found in the Developers forum.
Currently you can install
CM7 (Ginger Bread 2.3.2)
Nookie Froyo (Froyo 2.2)
Honey Comb Preview (Based on HC Preview SDK Running A top 2.1 Kernel)
The Nook Color is very Capable Tablet, I have yet to run across a game that it can't handle, you will sometimes find programs that arent designed to run on the inch screen, or you might find apps that wont run on the rom you are using, but over all Most things work perfectly on it.
currently the only thing I really wish it had was Bluetooth, Which it will have when CM7 is fully done for it.
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I thought bluetooth was only built in?
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hello,
was also thinking about a NC so didn't want to start another thread. Just a few questions.
Is there a way to run the original nook software if running a custom rom? There seem to be additional features that are not present in the standard android nook app.
How does the nook button work? Can you change its assignment or perhaps have short press and long press assignments?
Is there a compass so that google sky would work?
Thanks a bunch
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Bluetooth I thought bluetooth was built in?
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The nook's WiFi card does have Bluetooth built in(For some reason it's cheaper than a standalone) but it's been disabled in the Firmware and Devs are having trouble enabling it to the point that it could be useful.
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waste55 said:
hello,
was also thinking about a NC so didn't want to start another thread. Just a few questions.
Is there a way to run the original nook software if running a custom rom? There seem to be additional features that are not present in the standard android nook app.
How does the nook button work? Can you change its assignment or perhaps have short press and long press assignments?
Is there a compass so that google sky would work?
Thanks a bunch
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You can Dual-Boot Rooted Stock and Froyo/Honeycomb but I don't reccomend it for the un-hardcore tech-savy. Better to go the other method which Boots Nookie Froyo or Honeycomb from the MicroSD card. This can even be done without Rooting your Stock(Like I did)
The Nook button in Rooted Stock or Nookie Froyo by default works as follows:
One Tap = Home Screen(Default home screen for Stock or Default Froyo in Nookie Froyo, You can always install a Different one though)
Double Tap = Soft Keys(So you can use Buttons like Menu and Back which the Nook has no Physical Buttons for, Although you can Remap the Volume Keys to Menu and Back and use the Softkeys or other Volume App to change the Volume)
No the Nook has no Compass but you can use Google Sky Maps in Manual mode and it works fine (Bottom-Left Hand Corner)
Just ask if you have any other questions.
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japzone said:
You can Dual-Boot Rooted Stock and Froyo/Honeycomb but I don't reccomend it for the un-hardcore tech-savy. Better to go the other method which Boots Nookie Froyo or Honeycomb from the MicroSD card. This can even be done without Rooting your Stock(Like I did)
The Nook button in Rooted Stock or Nookie Froyo by default works as follows:
One Tap = Home Screen(Default home screen for Stock or Default Froyo in Nookie Froyo, You can always install a Different one though)
Double Tap = Soft Keys(So you can use Buttons like Menu and Back which the Nook has no Physical Buttons for, Although you can Remap the Volume Keys to Menu and Back and use the Softkeys or other Volume App to change the Volume)
No the Nook has no Compass but you can use Google Sky Maps in Manual mode and it works fine (Bottom-Left Hand Corner)
Just ask if you have any other questions.
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Thanks!
I wouldn't mind rooting really, my g2 is rooted ok, but really this nook isn't for me so I want to leave it simple to use (for my mom). So I may go booting from SD anyhow. Is it just a menu at boot where you choose what to load?
What all can you do extra on a rooted stock? She may not even need a custom rom. Feel free to just link me, but I couldn't find a whole lot other than just enabling market etc. Wasn't sure if there were any gotcha's on what you can & can't install rooted, or even on a custom rom for that matter.
Are those nook key swappable by chance? so where single click brought up the soft menu instead?
thank again
Button repacement
Hi,
I find 'Button Savior' (from market) a better replacement for the buttons that
Android is expecting. It displays a small 'icon' on the selected side of screen, after
touching the icon, the home/back etc. buttons display as an overlay. It has been
very reliable for me, and easy to click 'back' and home for me.
When I read in bed at night, the 'nook' button is loud and bothers my wife too!
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waste55 said:
Thanks!
I wouldn't mind rooting really, my g2 is rooted ok, but really this nook isn't for me so I want to leave it simple to use (for my mom). So I may go booting from SD anyhow. Is it just a menu at boot where you choose what to load?
What all can you do extra on a rooted stock? She may not even need a custom rom. Feel free to just link me, but I couldn't find a whole lot other than just enabling market etc. Wasn't sure if there were any gotcha's on what you can & can't install rooted, or even on a custom rom for that matter.
Are those nook key swappable by chance? so where single click brought up the soft menu instead?
thank again
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Rooting the Stock allows you to do anything you want (Installing Android Market, Adding almost any App You want, ect...) The only real Limitations are made by the Nook's Hardware and the Fact that NC Stock is Android 2.1.
If someone else is going to be using Stock just for Normal Features I recommend not Rooting it. Instead going the SD card Boot method is better for you.
Going the SD card way gives you two OS options:
Nookie Froyo = Android 2.2
Nookie Honeycomb = Android 3.0 (Pre-Release, iereview/Demo Version)
When wanting to boot to stock, you can simply remove the MicroSD and it'll boot to Stock. Or if you wish you can Modify the MicroSD's boot file so Holding down the Home button changes what boots (see this Thread for details: [Project] Dual-Boot between NF SDcard and Stock No-Rooting)
If you install Nookie Froyo it comes with "SoftKeys" (which I like better than "Button Savior") "SoftKeys" has several ways of use:
1) Can be set to appear by Pressing the Home button Once or Twice (Home Will Appear on Second Press or First Press)(This is the Default setup and it will be 1Press:Home 2Press:SoftKeys)
2) Have a Floating Button that you can Press and make Floating Controls appear. It can be customized by changing transparency, adding a Floating D-Pad, adding Custom Buttons, and Choosing what Buttons appear.
3) or Have Both
Also in Froyo if you wish you can Remap the Menu and Back buttons to the Volume Keys on the Nook and then use "SoftKeys" or some other Volume app (Volumer++ is a great one) to change the Volume (I did this)
If you install Nookie Honeycomb it has Built-In Softkeys in the form of a Permanent Bar at the Bottom of the Screen that includes Back, Home, Task Switch, Menu, and your Notifications.
I think I may go pick one of these up in the next week or 2
Forgive me for the intrusion, but I have a question for you all. Looking at the various threads and screen shots, it appears that most are using a rooted nook rather than honeycomb or froyo; is this accurate?
My story:
I was in Best-buy the other day shopping tablets (Xoom, Galaxy, iPad, etc) and someone was walking by and said "Hey, save money, get a NC." Of course I was like, what? I'm no stranger to Linux, servers, and basic programming but tablets and android is uncharted territory for me. So, after this guy did some basic explaining I was like "half price, and near limitless customization? Yeah thats for me!"
So here I am, been browsing this website for a few days trying to decide how I should go about 'unlocking' my NC. Do I use some sort of root kit to just unlock the 'stock' system? Do I use 'Froyo' on a SD card? What about this honeycomb thing, should I use that?
Like I said, it appears from screenshots most people are still using the basic NC system, that has maybe just been rooted to run apps and such from the market? I'm sorry for sounding dumb, I'm really not, just not sure what route is best for me, or the best choice. I am a fast learner, I just don't want to spend weeks learning something only to realize I was learning the wrong thing for what I need.
What I've gathered so far:
Stock rooted NC - will do fine for most users. Launcher Pro, Pandora, YouTube, browsing, games, gmail, etc. What about GPS? Google Maps?
Froyo - Same as above, some cosmetic differences, bells and whistles only advantage?
Honeycomb - Culmination of the previous two lists?
Insight welcome please?
Signed,
Work in progress.
It may be a little over half the price... But the Nook color is half the speed of the Motorola Xoom. So if you really have the money, I would return the nook color and just get a xoom, you'll be happier with it. If you're looking for just something to surf the net, and play a few games or programs, then the NC is a decent choice.
I use CM7 nightlys. CM7 is in my opinion the best rom, it allows bluetooth support and flash. It can be overclocked to 1190mhz. And has a lot of options for customizations.
HC is limited to a preview sdk build until google decides to let others have the final source, which could be a while... (Motorola Xoom comes with it installed)
Froyo is limited in a lot of regards, and CM7 is far better and offers a lot more support for programs and hardware. That said... Some people feel Froyo is better than CM7, but they're essentially the same underlining OS.
Individuals requirements vary, but since you asked I will give my two cents:
CyanogenMod 7
While it is currently not released as "stable" but only nightly builds, the nightlies are extremely good. Phiremod is based on the nightlies and adds some nice stuff, but is also slightly behind since the nightly has to be released before it can be customized.
The latest is CM7 nightly 32 right now (http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?type=nightly&device=encore) but it changes almost every day.
A Video Test build was just released that has YouTube working in all its glory (? Did I really type that?) so the video issues should be a thing of the past in a few days. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=960537
The same dev has an overclock kernel which gets the cpu up to 1100mhz and adds the interactive governor- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=925451
And another guy took a great idea and ran with it: adding Tablet Tweaks to CM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002000
I generally run the latest nightly with an oc kernel but now that the Tablet Tweaks has made so much progress, my routine is like this:
Flash latest nightly
Flash Tablet Tweaks
Flash OC kernel
Don't let the "nightly" status of CM7 put you off too much- the CyanogenMod team are perfectionists and won't call a rom Stable until it is PERFECT.
Right now the nightlies are better than any fresh install of Windows I have ever seen, for example....
I wouldn't go to honeycomb as a permanent solution now - it is reasonably good but still experimental with problems running full tablet applications.
I'm using Froyo but will switch over to CM7 shortly. At one point, froyo was more stable (two weeks back - things change fast) with working video and flash. CM7 has come along quickly and its time to move on. Having said that - both of these require some fiddling to get working properly. This is not a no-frustration experience - if you are comfortable with sorting out linux-like issues it won't be too bad. Fun if you like tinkering with gadgets.
Rooted stock is stable, adds the open android market to the the stock B&N experience which includes a very nice reader. If you upgrade beyond stock you will lose the reader which has some desireable features like "borrowing a book" in the store, magazines and newspapers. Not working on froyo, cm7, or hc.
I'd agree that cm7 is probably the best compromise at this point - at least for me. You will still be flashing gapps and wondering where certain apps or wallpapers are in the market.
Xoom or galaxy tab actually work (largely) without customization today. Closer to an ipad experience in that it works out of the box. Nook color can largely replicate those functions but you'll do a little work setting it up.
Peter
I would not trade the NC for the Xoom just because the Xoom is so ridiculously overpriced IMO. Personally, I would go with stock rooted. If you find that you are wanting to do something with it that you cannot do on stock rooted, then look for something else like Nookie Froyo or Honeycomb (which is still a little half baked on the NC IMO).
Wonderful advice and well said. Thank you much for everyone's time, I above anyone else know how precious every second is.
'Sorting out linux and tinkering' is exactly on point, I've been doing that very thing for about 12 years now. I like to consider myself an avid enthusiast rather than full throttle geek. Anyway, I think I'll study the route of stock rooted and further my knowledge on full flash before taking that plunge.
That being said, one more question and I'll let you all get back to more important things. I should be right in assuming just follow the steps in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=872490 or the v3.* thread to fully root the stock NC and have google apps, market, etc up and running? From what I've read, this auto-nooter has pretty much all of it built in already; Gmail, Market, root-kit etc.
PS: Wonderful site, very informative.
Signed,
Work in Progress.
LarcenQ said:
Stock rooted NC - will do fine for most users. Launcher Pro, Pandora, YouTube, browsing, games, gmail, etc. What about GPS? Google Maps?
Froyo - Same as above, some cosmetic differences, bells and whistles only advantage?
Honeycomb - Culmination of the previous two lists?
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I'm in your same boat (I recently started with Nookie Froyo on SD so I can leave the Nook alone, but am just learning what else needs to be done to fix some buggy behavior.)
One thing to understand is that there are multiple versions of Android. The Nook Color still ships with Android 2.1 (Eclair). They are supposed to be pushing out 2.2 (Froyo) in a few days. The Cyanogenmod (CM7) people are using 2.3 (Gingerbread). And the NookieFroyo folks are of course using 2.2. I have no idea what Phiremod is. As expected, the later versions of Android tend to have more features/work better.
The 3.0 version of Android, Honeycomb, is still the most experimental and apparently doesn't work that well with the Nook Color yet. Worse, Google has decided to hold back the latest source code of this "open source" project for now, meaning that only the Xoom can run the thing. But it's the only Android version with true tablet support.
As to GPS,the Nook Color does NOT have a GPS chip, so regardless of Android version you can get GPS coordinates only by rough calculation based on a WiFi database or by tethering to a GPS device or GPS-equipped cell phone.
xdabr said:
I have no idea what Phiremod is.
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Phiremod is based on CM7 nightlies with some very nice customizations.
Yup -- Xoom overpriced. Unless you've a burning desire to be on the cutting edge, I'd go with the Nook Color and wait out the pricing on Android tablets. They are bound to come down.
Also, a couple of key points:
Barnes & Noble is theoretically going to push an upgrade sometime in April that will include Flash capability and some sort of Market. No details on the market. However if they're smart there will be a host of apps available that we all know will run on the Nook (because we've rooted and downloaded them). This new stock configuration may be all that a lot of people want or need.
If you are determined, however, remember that this forum is like a big toy store and can be confusing. You can run stock internally and dual boot into a fast SD card to run virtually any other configuration. Or, you can flash the internal rom and run most of these variation on the OS internally.
Here's the relevant point: When booting, the Nook Color looks first at the SD drive. That's very cool, because it allows us to do a whole bunch of fun stuff.
I'm currently running rooted stock internally and CM7 (the version with working Bluetooth) off a SD card. Truth be told I typically boot into CM7 because it works so well -- even for reading B&N Nook books. I use a little variation that allows hard key dual booting. There is a brandy new release of CM7 that resolves some video issues and I'll update to that.
However, the CM7 releases do not include the Google stuff, including the Market, so you have to load those via ADB (Android Development Bridge) which means setting up your computer with an Android development environment -- something very doable and free, but it takes some time to get it all working right.
The holy grail is probably Honeycomb, the Android version specifically designed with tablets in mind. There is a development version of Honeycomb that actually works pretty well, but it's not fully fleshed out just yet. I've got it running on a separate SD and it's very cool, but lacks some functionality. Once it's fully developed that will be my daily OS for sure.
One of my wants and needs is to be able to use an external folding keyboard. The only version floating around right now that supports the Nook's built-in Bluetooth (unused by B&N) is a release of CM7 -- and it works. I can use the nifty Freedom Pro keyboard and it's really pretty good -- no excessive lag.
Hopefully that's enough to get you going. I'd say -- given the overwhelming wealth of information on this forum -- keep your Nook stock until after B&N pushes the update. In the meantime, get a good fast SD card and use that to mess with your pick of Android versions offered here. Pick just one and than tunnel down into the forum to work with it at first.
Happy Nooking!
robedney said:
I'm currently running rooted stock internally and CM7 (the version with working Bluetooth) off a SD card.
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Thank you! I wanted to try this CM7 tonight when I got home, however, I do not want to wipe/tamper with my onboard nook, and everything I've read about CM7 you have to install on internal memory. Is there a link to the instructions on booting CM7 from the sd card?
Thanks in advance!
Signed,
Getting somewhere.
Yup -- I'll track it down. Stay tuned.
Here's a thread that sets up a SD card to run CM7 with working Bluetooth. Read the whole thread before you start (some good simple instructions are in there):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=989637
Be aware that Google stuff and the Market are not included -- you'll have to install those via ADB (and there are full instructions on how to set up and do that on this forum.
Or -- a newer option that looks pretty cool (and avoids having to use ADB to get the Market):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000957
I think I'll try this on a spare SD card and see how it all works out.
There are hardware differences to consider too.
NC is 7 inch screen, vs 10 inch for XOOM and some other tablet.
Then size and weight.
Also NC doesn't have cameras, the others may have one or two...
And NC doesn't have mic, although bluetooth headset may work.
I am happy with my NC for its price and what I need.
robedney said:
Here's a thread that sets up a SD card to run CM7 with working Bluetooth. Read the whole thread before you start (some good simple instructions are in there):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=989637
Be aware that Google stuff and the Market are not included -- you'll have to install those via ADB (and there are full instructions on how to set up and do that on this forum.
Or -- a newer option that looks pretty cool (and avoids having to use ADB to get the Market):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1000957
I think I'll try this on a spare SD card and see how it all works out.
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Much obliged! I'll give this a try tonight once I get home from work. God I love mature people instead of 'scr3w yu n00b!'.
Signed,
Getting there.
Just make your of which Stock ROM you have (1.0.0, 1.0.1, 1.1.0). Each Nooter is made specifically for each ROM.
Also, as far as Gapps is concerned, there is no need to use ADB. All of it can be installed easily via ClockworkRecovery. ADB stuff is fun, but not needed to get full blown CM7 w/gapps and everything else.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-1000957.html
just used this for a SD bootable CM7. I'm running rooted 2.1 for daily use and testing out the different options via SD bootable builds. fyi, this also allows the install of google apps without ADB.
HI,
One question for you:
What do you want to use the Nook for mainly?
Toy/Playing/learning/Android Apps/Web/eBooks... CM7 (Nightlies)
eBook reader mainly... Perhaps stock rooted.
Lots of video/Flash? Not sure which, perhaps Froyo. CM7 soon.
Require bluetooth? CM7
One immediate advantage for rooting is access to other eBook reader
applications, such as Kindle.
Don't forget to look at/select a soft button approach that you like,
Android is expecting more than the one button at the bottom. I like
Button Savior from the market, but there are a variety of other solutions.
It is handy to have a bunch of SDcards on hand too, I never seem to have
enough of them. Don't forget that when you move to an internal memory
version of, say, Cyanogenmod7, that you need a SD card for data too.
Good luck, the NC is a fun toy!
Peter
envygreen said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-1000957.html
just used this for a SD bootable CM7. I'm running rooted 2.1 for daily use and testing out the different options via SD bootable builds. fyi, this also allows the install of google apps without ADB.
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We're in dire need of a single (maintained) collection of all these pre-built SD card images -- is there such a posting?
Hunting through the forum is not as much fun as it seems.
EDIT: Looks like there's a list of ROMs at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=872003
DOH!
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