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I've been pulling my hair out looking around for how exactly to have emails pushed to the G1. I have both K9 Email for Yahoo and the stock Gmail app for Gmail that I'm trying to get it pushed on.
How the hell do I get this working?? I see no options ANYWHERE to do it, but upon Googling it, everyone seems all happy and excited that it -can- push emails. But, NONE OF THESE PLACES EXPLAINS HOW! I don't care if they're glad it can or not, I want to know HOW to do it. Google themselves don't even mention it.
Can somebody please explain how to push emails before I lose my mind and possibly all my hair??
Thanks in advance
what the hell are you talking about?
You automatically get all emails from the account you registered your g1 with pushed to your device if u did not manually disable it in settings. Via thhe mentioned G(oogle)Mail application!
You can also use the suppiled email app that comes pre installed on the phone. Works with all the major emails except those from an exchange server.
That mail isn't exactly pushed, from what I understand pushed emails to be. Pushed is immediately sending a notification once email is received, the one in Google mail and K-9 has timed when it checks the source email.
Not even SMS are really PUSHED to your device. It is how it is. Use it and shut up.
How shall it technical work to push something to your device ? It is impossible .. The intervalls for sms/calls are just much shorter.. thats why mobiles drain so much battery even in standby.. and the intervall for gmail to check new emails is shorter than 1minute .. i dunno how much is it but it's near to instant
Proxin said:
I've been pulling my hair out looking around for how exactly to have emails pushed to the G1. I have both K9 Email for Yahoo and the stock Gmail app for Gmail that I'm trying to get it pushed on.
How the hell do I get this working?? I see no options ANYWHERE to do it, but upon Googling it, everyone seems all happy and excited that it -can- push emails. But, NONE OF THESE PLACES EXPLAINS HOW! I don't care if they're glad it can or not, I want to know HOW to do it. Google themselves don't even mention it.
Can somebody please explain how to push emails before I lose my mind and possibly all my hair??
Thanks in advance
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You do have an exchange account? POP3/web mail can't be pushed
Not even SMS are really PUSHED to your device. It is how it is. Use it and shut up.
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yes they are...
Proxin said:
That mail isn't exactly pushed, from what I understand pushed emails to be. Pushed is immediately sending a notification once email is received, the one in Google mail and K-9 has timed when it checks the source email.
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The GMail client does not "check" the source email, it uses a proprietary version of IMAP IDLE (push) technology. It is indeed pushed to your phone, when "Sync" is enabled. However, K9 and the stock email app do not provide IMAP IDLE support at this time, so there is no way to set that up. K9 has it on the To-Do list. I don't know about you, but the instant my account that is set up with the Gmail client on the phone gets an email - my phone notifies me, sometimes it is faster then a desktop client. And, I assure you that it is not constantly sending out requests checking in for mail on the server, that would be poor coding on Google's part and waste a lot of their resources.
So, to answer your concerns directly.
The GMail client IS what is referred to as "Push" email.
The K9 and stock Email clients are currently not capable of "Push" email.
bassbox said:
Not even SMS are really PUSHED to your device. It is how it is. Use it and shut up.
How shall it technical work to push something to your device ? It is impossible .. The intervalls for sms/calls are just much shorter.. thats why mobiles drain so much battery even in standby.. and the intervall for gmail to check new emails is shorter than 1minute .. i dunno how much is it but it's near to instant
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How about doing some reading before sticking your foot further into your throat.
IMAP IDLE - how it works.
It is very efficient.
"This means that an active client will always be kept up to date. The IDLE command deals with the situation where the client has no more requests to make. The server responds to the idle command when there is a new message (or messages) which indicates to the client that there are new messages. "
as i said it .. the g1 "pings" the server all the time ..
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as i said it .. the g1 "pings" the server all the time ..
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You're still looking for a clue, almost getting there
In case of push mail your phone does NOT poll for new mails: The mailserver will notify your phone when new mail is available. Yes your phone sends an idle command, but nothing happens after that: The connection is just left open and when there is new mail the server will send it.
bassbox said:
"This means that an active client will always be kept up to date. The IDLE command deals with the situation where the client has no more requests to make. The server responds to the idle command when there is a new message (or messages) which indicates to the client that there are new messages. "
as i said it .. the g1 "pings" the server all the time ..
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I think you are grasping the concept, but the semantics are lost on you.
It works like this:
1. Client connects to server, does it's initial check-in, and handles new requests.
2. Client sends IDLE command to server, telling the server that it is still active, but not actively sending requests.
3. Client sits IDLE (no more data is transmitted from client to server unless an action takes place on the CLIENT requiring transmission - ie, an email is sent).
4. Server receives a new message.
5. Server sends a packet to the Client (knowing where it is located based on the open - yet IDLE connection).
6. Client responds to the packet and is subsequently transmitted the message.
See how many times I used the word IDLE - get the picture? As long as you know what IDLE means, you will understand how efficient this is. Here is a quote from that page I posted a link to:
Phone. For older phones there could be an issue of increased battery usage due to holding the connection open. This is unlikely to be a problem on a modern phone.
Another practical problem is that current phone networking technology will lose IP network connectivity from time to time, and this will need to be automatically re-established, and the IMAP connection re-established if this is lost due to a long network failure.
In summary, the overall IMAP IDLE architecture has good performance.
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Whoo HOO! Another GIRL on the forum! Go ZEE ZEE! And, she's CUTE, too!
Anyway, back to the subject at hand.
Proxin - I believe (although I could be wrong) what is going on is that you don't have the Gmail as your primary mail account - the one that everyone sends email to.
I only lately began to use Gmail. So, I have three email addresses that are set to forward to the Gmail account. The time it takes for these email to be forwarded and received by Gmail is the only lag I experience at all.
If you are using Gmail's "fetcher" feature to fetch email from other accounts... I have seen up to 30 minutes before each "fetch." So, it can take awhile. In which case I suggest that you go to any primary accounts that you have and set them to forward your email to your Google account and see if that decreases the delay.
Touchdown by exchange is the best email push app on g1 currently. But its not free . if u wanna sync contacts u can do that during the trial period
I just got my g1 Monday and all my contacts were on a server and I was discouraged that I could sync google or my g1 contacts with the exchange server. I then tested every app in the marketplace i could find and couldn't get any to sync contacts except Touchdown.
ExchangeIt worked fine after I figured out how to use it. Most of the other apps only work for Microsoft Server 2007 so they weren't compatible.
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Touchdown by exchange is the best email push app on g1 currently. But its not free . if u wanna sync contacts u can do that during the trial period
I just got my g1 Monday and all my contacts were on a server and I was discouraged that I could sync google or my g1 contacts with the exchange server. I then tested every app in the marketplace i could find and couldn't get any to sync contacts except Touchdown.
ExchangeIt worked fine after I figured out how to use it. Most of the other apps only work for Microsoft Server 2007 so they weren't compatible.
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Touchdown rocks, and is worth the money.
Even the Exchange support in the upcoming cupcake is lame, as ig works with a lame email client.
I have 3 basic issues with the phone, which I otherwise love. Here they are:
1 - The e-mail client cannot in-line forward e-mails. It attaches the forwarded message as a .eml file. This is especially annoying as Android cannot open .eml attachments. So essentially, if someone using and android phone forwards an e-mail to my android phone, I can't read it.
2 - Mail is never "marked as read" in the mail client unless either a refresh or more mail activity occurs. In other words, if I get an e-mail and read it on Outlook, it will stay unread on my phone. This leads to constant notifications of new mail, which I've already read unless I manually clear it. Note that the Gmail client does this fine, when mail is read on the computer, the phone knows and marks it read on the phone, eliminating the notification.
3 - I would really like to pull down the notification tray from the lock screen. Is this possible?
SO would I be able to fix these issues and would probably be willing to root, if rooting would fix them.
Thanks guys.
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1 - Mail client doesn't change if rooted, so it'll do exactly the same until someone fixes the source and recompiles it. In that case you'll need to root to use it.
2 - This is the result of mail protocols, not anything to blame the phone / client for. It'll happen the same if you use 2 computers. Gmail client works because it uses push notifications from server. If I remember correctly, Exchange server also pushes when connected, so I suppose default mail client would work the same way if connected to Exchange server. Again, rooting won't help.
3 - I don't know of such mod. The only thing which is close, is disabling the lock screen completely - and for this (again, if I remember correctly, you can check it by searching either the forum or just google) you have to have root.
Also, you can try 3rd party mail clients for (1) and partial (2) solutions (refresh once in a defined while). I don't know any, since I've never used the mail client, but there might be some which address those problems.
ok, thanks guys.
Well, I haven't seen anyone successfully replace the NC contacts app with the generic Android one, but I found something almost as good ... if you're willing to pay.
If you download Touchdown for Exchange from the market (demo version, have to pay to use it for more than 30 days), you can set up your gmail address as an exchange account (login is the full e-mail address, server is m.google.com). It'll sync contacts w/the Exchange server ... and by default, sync those with your "phone's' contact list.
I've tried it, and confirmed autocomplete for contacts now works in gmail.
Some caveats:
* While Touchdown can handle more than one exchange account, it does so with "profiles." You switch between them -- and when you're in one profile, you'll only have access to the contacts from that one. I've got my phone set up with both my personal gmail and my office's google apps account ... so now I'm using Soocial to sync their contacts (non-ideal), and having touchdown just bring down the office stuff.
* You'll want to tweak your e-mail settings to minimize how much data you're having the device get. No need to pull down your inbox again if gmail already is. I have it set not to get message bodies, to sync the minimum amount of days, etc.
* It's a paid app, so you'll have to pony up the cash. And although I'd previously purchased a license key via the market on my phone, I'm not seeing the option for the license key (protected app unsupported by the current market hack?) showing up in the market for my NC. You can also enter a license key, but I'll be trying copying over my valid key from my phone and seeing what happens ...
Nice:
* It handles the calendar well as well ... so no need to bring in the Calendar.apk or CorpCalendar.apk if you don't want to.
Soocial non-ideal
Hi Wordsmith,
Just a quick question why you find Soocial to be non-ideal? I'm part of the Soocial team and we try to listen as much as we can to our users or potential users. Sounds like you are looking for a one stop place to have your address book synced. In what area do you find Soocial lacking now for it to be non-ideal.
Thanks for trying and using Soocial. ;-)
stefanfountain said:
Hi Wordsmith,
Just a quick question why you find Soocial to be non-ideal? I'm part of the Soocial team and we try to listen as much as we can to our users or potential users. Sounds like you are looking for a one stop place to have your address book synced. In what area do you find Soocial lacking now for it to be non-ideal.
Thanks for trying and using Soocial. ;-)
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I juist wasn't really looking to have these address books synced in the first place, but I AM looking to access both from my NC, as I do from my Android phone. Since I didn't have a great solution to that, I'm using your product to include all my contacts in both of my address books.
I've used touchdown for about a year now and it's never let me down. Best exchange program hands down. Thanks for the tip to use it to sync Google contacts!
FYI: you can sync only contacts if you choose and the server is m.google.com w/ssl in case anyone needs it.
Good afternoon, Everyone - I hope everyone is having a great Saturday so far.
I, on the other hand, am incredibly frustrated and tired of trying to figure this out on my own... Also, I am in the middle of the woods today, and on a mobile device, so I am not as careful as I always am, so if by chance this has already been asked in a different thread, I am very sorry and I apologize...
I have the Note 3 with all latest updates. Not rooted. I also have the Galaxy Gear watch, again all the latest updates. I bought this watch primarily for two uses - to get notifications of my incoming text messages using the stock Samsung messaging app. Check - works great. The other reason, was so that I could get AND read my email messages using the stock Samsung email application. Check - works gr.... uh... not exactly. And HERE is my frustration...
Currently, in my STOCK Samsung Email app, I have the following accounts set up:
3 Gmail Accounts
1 Yahoo Account
1 Exchange work email account
Every time an email comes in on ANY of these accounts, I get an immediate notification on my watch. I can swipe, and read the entire email message. This is ALL I wanted. HOWEVER, even though in the very same stock email app, in the very same combined in-box, if I get a message specifically to my work Exchange email account, the watch ONLY displays that I have a message and to open it on the phone. It will not show ANYTHING in the email. But... the other accounts do with no problem! Why just this account, in the very same email app, with the same appearance and layout as the others??? I need this account more than anything - the others are just for fun and personal family, etc.
I did manage a temporary workaround however, but I am HOPING that you amazing folks here at XDA can give me an idea towards a solution. If I set up a MANUAL account to my work server using IMAP, our work server will allow me to only CHECK the mail, but not send. So I have no choice but to keep the existing Exchange account set up in my Samsung Mail App. However, I set up a SECOND entry in the same mail app, with my email address checking the email from my work server using IMAP and TLS. I just can't send.
Once I did that, I now receive TWO of every email from work. One in my normal inbox without a notification (turned off to avoid all the extra alerts on the phone), and the OTHER entry (IMAP) that I have labeled "Galaxy Gear Work Notifier". Now, the email WILL DISPLAY on my Watch, and I can read the whole email. But, if I pick up my phone to reply to the message, I have to switch inboxes on the mail app to the "real" Exchange one, and reply to the email.
There just has to be an easier way than this!!! I also own the Sony SmartWatch 2, but I personally don't like it as much as the Gear - but the Sony will read everything with all of the second party email notifiers out there.
Regardless that this is an Exchange account, it is coming into the very SAME STOCK SAMSUNG email application - so why do all the other email accounts display their email in full on the watch, but the one Exchange mail that comes in only says "open on phone" - what am I missing? This is driving me crazy, the fact that I can't figure this out....
I would appreciate any and all ideas VERY much - more than you know. Thank you in advance for helping and for the ideas. I appreciate it!
Mike
UPDATE - response from Samsung Engineer...
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Good afternoon, Everyone - I hope everyone is having a great Saturday so far.
I, on the other hand, am incredibly frustrated and tired of trying to figure this out on my own... Also, I am in the middle of the woods today, and on a mobile device, so I am not as careful as I always am, so if by chance this has already been asked in a different thread, I am very sorry and I apologize...
I have the Note 3 with all latest updates. Not rooted. I also have the Galaxy Gear watch, again all the latest updates. I bought this watch primarily for two uses - to get notifications of my incoming text messages using the stock Samsung messaging app. Check - works great. The other reason, was so that I could get AND read my email messages using the stock Samsung email application. Check - works gr.... uh... not exactly. And HERE is my frustration...
Currently, in my STOCK Samsung Email app, I have the following accounts set up:
3 Gmail Accounts
1 Yahoo Account
1 Exchange work email account
Every time an email comes in on ANY of these accounts, I get an immediate notification on my watch. I can swipe, and read the entire email message. This is ALL I wanted. HOWEVER, even though in the very same stock email app, in the very same combined in-box, if I get a message specifically to my work Exchange email account, the watch ONLY displays that I have a message and to open it on the phone. It will not show ANYTHING in the email. But... the other accounts do with no problem! Why just this account, in the very same email app, with the same appearance and layout as the others??? I need this account more than anything - the others are just for fun and personal family, etc.
I did manage a temporary workaround however, but I am HOPING that you amazing folks here at XDA can give me an idea towards a solution. If I set up a MANUAL account to my work server using IMAP, our work server will allow me to only CHECK the mail, but not send. So I have no choice but to keep the existing Exchange account set up in my Samsung Mail App. However, I set up a SECOND entry in the same mail app, with my email address checking the email from my work server using IMAP and TLS. I just can't send.
Once I did that, I now receive TWO of every email from work. One in my normal inbox without a notification (turned off to avoid all the extra alerts on the phone), and the OTHER entry (IMAP) that I have labeled "Galaxy Gear Work Notifier". Now, the email WILL DISPLAY on my Watch, and I can read the whole email. But, if I pick up my phone to reply to the message, I have to switch inboxes on the mail app to the "real" Exchange one, and reply to the email.
There just has to be an easier way than this!!! I also own the Sony SmartWatch 2, but I personally don't like it as much as the Gear - but the Sony will read everything with all of the second party email notifiers out there.
Regardless that this is an Exchange account, it is coming into the very SAME STOCK SAMSUNG email application - so why do all the other email accounts display their email in full on the watch, but the one Exchange mail that comes in only says "open on phone" - what am I missing? This is driving me crazy, the fact that I can't figure this out....
I would appreciate any and all ideas VERY much - more than you know. Thank you in advance for helping and for the ideas. I appreciate it!
Mike
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HELLO AGAIN guys - I have an update...
I was so pissed by all of this - mainly because I was SURE there was something that I was doing wrong, and that I couldn't figure it out.... SOOO - I called Samsung, and went to tier 3 support and spoke to an engineer (called the main support line, got to the Mobile device department, then Galaxy Gear), and they said that they were aware that the notifications with Microsoft Exchange accounts, even those set up within their stock app, were temporarily broken and would refer the user to open the mail on their phone.... but an update is being released at any time now again to the Gear which fixes this issue. By taking the Exchange authentication/security out of the loop, this is why my manually set IMAP version of the same email was working. He assured me that they received a large number of calls on this specific issue, mainly because of all the business users who rely on Exchange as their email method, using the stock mail app. So he promised this was being addressed asap. At least, I now KNOW that this was not just me, and that I was not nuts. If it's "supposed" to be broken right now, and they are addressing it, then I'm fine with that and can use my IMAP workaround for the time being...
Thanks very much everyone - have a great rest of the weekend!!!
Mike
Hi guys,
I already know that I can add my corporate email to use with gmail. However what I’m not able to do is to set the Gmail app to notify me when I get a High Priority email. Everything I found in the web was referring to creating filters by marking email from a specific person important and notify me then but what about email that are sent HI PRI from people that I have not received emails from before?
I’m currently using the email App Touchdown that actually lets me create message Rules that lets me categorize the emails based on Important (Low, Med or HI) and if I mark it hi then any email sent that was regardless who it comes from I get notified with a different sound from the rest of the email. I want to use that with Gmail so the calendar from work is synced with my Google calendar
ANY IDEAS?