My rebates have come in and I'm ready to drop the data plan on my bill.
I'm trying to prep to keep the majority of the functionality that I have been use to through the Tilt's wireless connection. I hope that I can learn from others that have dropped their data plan.
My first concern revolves around dropping the data plan and making sure that I don't pile up per-kb charges. I know that I can call AT&T and request a stop data, but that also stops my text messages. I've read that KaiserTweak works as well and will probably be the route that I use, unless there are other suggestions.
Furthermore, I need to find a way to make the device look to the wireless connection as the primary connection. For instance, how can I change it so that Outlook and even HTC Home Weather uses wireless connection. Is there a menu or registry setting I can use for that?
For those of you that have gone through this process, I would appreciate in suggestions.
Thanks!
Would also like to know, never got a data plan...
tyeo098 said:
Would also like to know, never got a data plan...
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It's so freaking easy. I don't know why nobody uses this method.
Create an empty Network setting and that's it. No APN, no "modem" settings, nothing. Just create a new one, name it something like NoData, set it as the default network for "The Internet" and "Work", and that's it.
It will never get online except what you feed it through WiFi.
It was great traveling through Japan for few weeks and no data billed, no worries if I needed Modaco NoData or KaiserTweak to setup something shady that might heal itself and nail me with charges.
Lol, its called stop being cheap.
People get stuff and don't want to pay to maintain it. IE, get a car, drive it 4 years, and never want to put new tires on it, but as soon as it doesn't pass inspection, you're ready to snap.
What was the purpose of getting a PDA phone without the data plan...?? Shoulda got a regular phone if that was the case, or perhaps a palm pilot.
Why pay your provider $40+ if you are not using it? I myself have an unlimited data plan, but I rarely use it. I have WiFi at work and at home and I am on WiFi network most of the time. It is critical for me to access my email at all times and I need to pay for the data plan. But for most people, it is not that important and they can still get access 80% of the time. Don't judge people because they don't live by your rules.
This question has probably been answered a hundred million times but I just wanted to double check before trying this out. Dont want to end up with a huge bill. I have the PDA Personal – Unlimited ($30) data plan. I keep seeing 2 options throughtout the pda. AT&T ISP GPRS (isp.cingular) and MEdia Net (wap.cingular). Does my plan include both or should I just stick with MEdia Net for internet.
Thanks.
It's my understanding that the wap.cingular is for interwebs on the tilt and isp.cingular is for use with tethering and possibly internet sharing.
If you only have the PDA Personal plan, then I'm pretty sure your AT&T ISP connection won't even function. I had the same question when I first signed up and while I could get signal and connection with ISP selected, I couldn't actually get any data to come across. From everything I've read, Yusuke is right.....ISP is for tethering and you're best off sticking with Media Net........it's been working great for me.
I'm on a pda personal as well and as Valtamr said, my ISP won't even connect. I tether on media net. Been doing it for a while just make sure proxy is disabled adn haven't been charged yet. Last month i hit something around 4.5 gigs of traffic no charges!
fone_fanatic, what is the reason to disable proxy? Does Internet Sharing not work if proxy is enabled?
And I am curious about tethering. I want to try it once. Would AT&T be able to detect tethering if I used "Internet Sharing" through USB set to MEdiaNet.
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MEdia NET VS PDA Personal
Do you know if one could get away with purchasing the MEdia NET versus the doubly priced PDA Personal Plan on the HTC TyTN II? Looking at them, it looks like AT&T is just charging double for the same service, Unlimited MEdia NET access...
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Jeremie
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Do you know if one could get away with purchasing the MEdia NET versus the doubly priced PDA Personal Plan on the HTC TyTN II? Looking at them, it looks like AT&T is just charging double for the same service, Unlimited MEdia NET access...
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Jeremie
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I agree. All you need to do is switch your sim to a non-PDA phone call att and tell them you purchased the wrong plan because you no longer like using a pda phone. ask them for $15 unlimited medianet.
An experienced YES
I have been using Medianet on my tilt for 2 months with -0- problems. the at&t rep even suggested using it instead when i was asking about plan options for my tilt.
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Do you know if one could get away with purchasing the MEdia NET versus the doubly priced PDA Personal Plan on the HTC TyTN II? Looking at them, it looks like AT&T is just charging double for the same service, Unlimited MEdia NET access...
Thanks,
Jeremie
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MrEous said:
I have been using Medianet on my tilt for 2 months with -0- problems. the at&t rep even suggested using it instead when i was asking about plan options for my tilt.
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I agree. All you need to do is switch your sim to a non-PDA phone call att and tell them you purchased the wrong plan because you no longer like using a pda phone. ask them for $15 unlimited medianet.
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Thanks guys!
Jeremie
If you use the media net with internet sharing just to browse the internet and check email they will not know it. but if you start to dl lots of stuff and large files and p2p you will get charge for excessive data usage and i think they can ban you don't really know. i have been using the internet sharing in my laptop on my media net plan for almost a year now with no prob.
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I agree. All you need to do is switch your sim to a non-PDA phone call att and tell them you purchased the wrong plan because you no longer like using a pda phone. ask them for $15 unlimited medianet.
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i taught you well
$15 media net
OK guys i called ATT and told them i put my sim in another old phone and gave my tilt to my wife. They asked for my IMEI number and the number on the SIM....crap. I dont have a old phone laying around except one from a different network and its prepaid. I dont think it will work will it?? If any of you have a old phone laying around that you know you wont use anymore PM me the IMEI and make model of the phone please, if it works ill send you a little donation..
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OK guys i called ATT and told them i put my sim in another old phone and gave my tilt to my wife. They asked for my IMEI number and the number on the SIM....crap. I dont have a old phone laying around except one from a different network and its prepaid. I dont think it will work will it?? If any of you have a old phone laying around that you know you wont use anymore PM me the IMEI and make model of the phone please, if it works ill send you a little donation..
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OMFG are you serious
Just hang up and call again till you get someone else that wont ask questions, I went threw a long process of them putting my blackberry plan on when I had one cause they were wondering why I was putting the BB Unlim. on a RAZR lol. just go online and change it, i think that works.
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The Data Buffet
I've used this analogy at the at$t forums before when it comes to data plans, and why at$t would price them the way they do. The real bottom line is, they figured out a way to charge more money, but let me explain the buffet.
Purchasing data plans from at&t is like paying to eat at a buffet. In this case there is the child price, teenager price, and adult price. We could expand on this because of all the variations at&t has with data plans, but let’s stick with three to keep the illustration simple.
The child price (Media Net plan @ $15) is for all the non PDA type phones. at&t assume these types of phone will not consume that much data in a month. Much like a child would not eat that much at the buffet.
The teenager price (PDA plan @ $30) is for all the PDA phones, like a Tilt and BB. at&t assumes one would consume a moderate amount of data in a month’s time.
The adult price (Data Connect plan @ $60) is for laptop cards and tethering your phone to a laptop. at&t assumes if your using a laptop in any way it will consume a huge amount of data.
There are two APN (wap.cingular & isp.cingular). Consider them two different lines to get in when going to the buffet. isp.cingular is an express line reserved for the Data Connect plan. If you are on the Media Net or PDA plan, isp.cingular will not be provisioned for your account.
Then there is the proxy connection. Consider this a different room to go through before getting in line at the buffet. In this room would be a different buffet table with some extra stuff. And that stuff would be the Media Net home page. Whooopy!!
Just like a buffet, some will try and cheat the system. Much like lying about your childs age to get the child price. In this case, giving at&t a wrong IMEI number. Once you’re in, it's all you can eat regardless of the price you paid. Just be aware, you eat too much paying the child price, someone will take notice.
Good analogy; however, my issue is that they claim, for $15 to provide "Unlimited".
It really isn't Unlimited if they charge for different amounts.
Jeremie
Indeed. And I HATE those stupid marketing-driven "Unlimited*" plans that just mean nothing. Unlimited is unlimited. If you want to limit to 5GB, you say it clearly and state it's 5Gb. Grr.
At least it's not that way here. But if I remember well they legally can't do such a stupid thing, which is just right.
* within reasonable considerations
I recently switch to att. I am using the $15 media net w/ the tilt now. I heard ppl saying that the media net is pretty fast(thatz the main reason why I switch to att). but after I switch to att and experience the media net. I found that the speed is that as fast as what I expected. I personally think it's not that fast, it's just a bit faster than the T-zone from Tmobile. I don't know if I have the wrong setting or what. it takes about 10 sec or more to load the google.com and about 35 sec (or more) to load the yahoo.com. is this speed normal? how fast are you guys' media net on ur tilt? just wondering. Please share your experience. thank you
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Then there is the proxy connection. Consider this a different room to go through before getting in line at the buffet. In this room would be a different buffet table with some extra stuff. And that stuff would be the Media Net home page. Whooopy!!
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Not completely right here. Since you are being filtered thru the proxy, many applications and protocols will not work properly w/ proxy enable (e.g. HTC home Weather update)
Before you plug in that USB cable, join that bluetooth PAN or blaze up that WMWifiRouter demo, you'd best fire up a bandwidth meter on your lappy to make sure you don't sail too far past that 5GB or whatever carrier monthly max lest yo' ass be surcharged up the ass! Note also that if you're running XP you've probably got virii up the ass and that when you tether, when those virii spit out those dirty packets to random IPs, that counts against your cap just as much as facebook and youtube and xda and slashdot.
So put on this jimmy cap. FreeMeter, found on sourceforge (so you know it's legit), lets you monitor your throughput, it plots that **** out on a pretty tiny chart and lets you keep comprehensive yet intelligible logs of incoming, outgoing and combined bandwidth. And most importantly you can set the thing to alert you when you're approaching whatever you set it to warn you about when you're approaching, it .. you get the idea. Use it, put it in Start Up.
Doug
or...
Disable phone as modem through Diamond Tweak/Adv Config/Registry Editor and not worry about bandwidth at all
Umm.. I'm talking about a tool for those of us who want to tether but don't want to get a $4000 bill and know their carrier's cap, not a way to prevent people from accidentally tethering if that's what you're getting at.
I'm fairly certain that a carrier who wants to either tame network traffic or make more money from people downloading movies over their phone counts transmitted bytes on their own routers, not your phone, plus they probably don't warn you or clip off the connection when you hit any cap they may have set in their TOS, so this thing I posted is a tool for tethering (or just satisfying your curiosity).
Anyone know if these carriers cap just downloaded bandwidth or the combined figure for up and down data? And has anyone run into an enforcement situation and gotten a larger bill due to exceeding some data limit on an unlimited plan? And can carriers figure out whether I'm listening to Howard on SiriusWM5 versus downloading Linux ISOs on my laptop?
Unlimited data plan for the win. I'm glad I don't have to worry about caps
Well I don't know. According to this, assuming it hasn't been changed since Jan 08, if you use their Data Connect plan which I believe may be [partly] defined as using the isp.cingular access point rather than wap.cingular, you have a "soft limit" of 5GB a month. If you go over that "repeatedly," at least at the time of this policy from almost a year and a half ago, AT&T might send you a letter advising you of your overindulgance and threaten to "remove the feature" if you keep it up. And that's for legit tethering. I'm not sure if regular data, like streaming media on the phone without tethering, counts against that number which is of some concern to me as I listen to Sirius a lot and like to do it on isp.cingular because, I don't know, I just like to.
As for under-the-radar tethering without a plan using an unlimited MEdia Net plan through the natted WAP, well, I'm safely guessing that that's a TOS violation and it could get ugly if you burn through enough data to get their attention. Ugly meaning at best a warning or possibly signing you up automatically to the Data Connect plan. I'm speaking out my ass here mostly but I might be right. Anyway I think that applies to most of us here so that's why I put up the bandwidth meter (and for those of other carriers like Verizon who are more anal) to keep y'all under the radar as I don't think AT&T immediately knows (or cares) if the packets going through their routers originated originally from your phone or a computer. I imagine that takes careful packet parsing that might just be out of the question to do for everyone all the time. Tallying up gigabytes on the other hand, that they probably do. But I wish they would pour more money into infrastructure because bandwidth is getting pretty thin in my city during the day. Can barely listen to Howard without frequent buffering.
What I'm more nervous about however is Time Warner doing the same thing for my Internet like they've been doing in other markets. Latest word is that they're backing down but if they start up I'll sign up for FiOS.
Overall I've been pleased with AT&T. Today my old man needed help signing on to his company email using a Java thin-client a la citrix and couldn't get it going on my mom's Kubuntu Linux laptop. So I fired up WMWifiRouter on a train from Connecticut going around 80mph and was able to VNC (like remote desktop) to his laptop (Linux, btw) using my laptop through my phone /while actually on the phone with him/ while having two SSH terminals open behind it to fix it. That's pretty badass, to me, doing all that flying through tunnels, real and technological bouncing from one cell to the next.
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ahh yes
I quite often forget how the majority of users here at XDA are on GSM networks. I was speaking of using "HKLM\Comm\InternetSharing\Settings\ForceCellConnection=Sprint" to force all data connections from the device to use the 'Sprint' (used for data connections on the device) connection versus the 'Phone As Modem' connection that triggers the counter for Sprint's 5GB cap. Nice app though. After using and exploring all possible upgrades and features of a P.O.S. Treo 700p as a "in between" device while I switched from T-Mobile to my Dad's corporate Sprint plan, I discovered this similar app from Sprint. Just in case any Sprint WM users wanted to be completely legit/keep track of their tethering from a non-WM device.
Sprint Connection Manager
For Windows XP/2000
For Windows Vista
I am still using an HTC Tilt2 with WMWifi, which allows me to put the phone into hot spot mode and access the internet using my unlimited data plan, which is NOT tethered, for $30 a month. This is the data plan intended for email, etc. The folks at the ATT store tell me I am grandfathered as long as I keep my account. WM7 looks like a loser, and my HTC is getting buggy. So would like to switch to the Captivate. On line reviews indicate that the wifi function works great, but I read (and hear from the sales folks at ATT) that that has been removed on the Captivate; just too much value I guess. Anyway, I just need to know if there is a path to having this function on a Captivate. Will root it if I have to, but prefer an app-only solution if possible.
If you flash Cognition you'll have usb and wifi tethering.
Sent from my Captivate
Hey guys first time posting here. I have to use my phones hotspot for online gaming (I know) and I'm looking to maximize my connection. My main goal is to open my NAT type from moderate and another thing I'd like to do is essentially "trick" my phone into using regular data instead of hotspot data. I have the unlimited Verizon data plan which, as many of you already know, wrenches you back to 3g after 10gb. I think even after the 22g, having proritized 4g would be fast then 3g. I saw a lot of of people rooting their phone and using the WIFI tehther router app to achieve the open NAT type but the latest videos I've seen are from 2014 so I don't even know if that's still possible.
Best thing I used when I had no home internet was use PDA net and a USB worked plenty fine for all games accept red alert 2