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Why bn didn't allow side loading apps

My nook color is rooted and I am downloading aps. It's been a lot of fun and I thank others for their work.
What I have found, is about 2/3 of the apps don't work properly on the nook. The biggest problem is the not having the menu button on the nc. You get into a program with no way to get out. I accidentally put nook in full screen mode using opera. I had to uninstall. With thousands of android programs out there, with only a small percent worth anything and still able to function on the nook, what a night mare.
There have been other problems as well. After reading nc forums on the bn site I can just imagine what a head ache it would be for bn to handle all the problems, both on line and in the store.
I've tried several pdf readers and they all have their issues. Ironically the one I like the best is one I think is buried on the nook already. It shows up as a option when I use explorer to start pdf file. It's just one of the issues bn is dealing with and it may be more of a problem of android apps not being up to the grade than it is a problem of the nook.
The nook is not particularly aimed at computer expects. Knowing how to download books from bn is about all that's need knowledge wise, and this is another problem for bn if they opened up the nook. Personally, and I think this is the case with most people at xda, I cannot stand to be protected against myself. Let me muck it up, but don't close it up.
Woody

All good and valid points but you need to keep in mind that this wasn't intended to be anything more than a book reader with internet access. It is a direct competitor to Kindle not any Android tablets out there. Hence the stripped down OS. Out of the box this is a pretty neat device. Rooted, it opens itself up to a world of possibilities.

I suspect that the BN people wouldn't be too pleased to see people walking around with the Android Kindle app running on their Nook

woodsonmh said:
My nook color is rooted and I am downloading aps. It's been a lot of fun and I thank others for their work.
What I have found, is about 2/3 of the apps don't work properly on the nook. The biggest problem is the not having the menu button on the nc. You get into a program with no way to get out. I accidentally put nook in full screen mode using opera. I had to uninstall. With thousands of android programs out there, with only a small percent worth anything and still able to function on the nook, what a night mare.
There have been other problems as well. After reading nc forums on the bn site I can just imagine what a head ache it would be for bn to handle all the problems, both on line and in the store.
I've tried several pdf readers and they all have their issues. Ironically the one I like the best is one I think is buried on the nook already. It shows up as a option when I use explorer to start pdf file. It's just one of the issues bn is dealing with and it may be more of a problem of android apps not being up to the grade than it is a problem of the nook.
The nook is not particularly aimed at computer expects. Knowing how to download books from bn is about all that's need knowledge wise, and this is another problem for bn if they opened up the nook. Personally, and I think this is the case with most people at xda, I cannot stand to be protected against myself. Let me muck it up, but don't close it up.
Woody
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If you haven't realize already, BN sold the NC as an eReader not a tablet. If they sell it as a tablet with this specs, it wouldn't cost $250. It would be a lot more, like $400.

B&N marketed it as a reader - it doesnt change the fact that its still one of the best tablets out on the market. In this day and age, anyone who thinks their android powered devices arent going to be opened up past what they were configured to do from stock is foolish.

After talking to a manager at my local B&N Store, she told me that B&N is opening up a B&N Market for the NOOKColor. End of January.

Now the question, will the b&n app maket be closed to the us only like ther bookstore or will it be truly open?

How else would you get such good hardware for $250? B&N wants you to buy content from them so they can make some money, not other sources. That's why they have to have control. Otherwise, I wouldn't be surprised if the Nook Color was at least $300-400.

the softbuttons fix on the dev pages will alleviate the no exit pain.
But the reason this is not an "open" device is exactly what people have said above.....BN locked it down so you have to buy their books....that's how they can offer such an amazing piece of HW at such a low cost.
LOSS LEADER!

I mean, I have no problem with buying books from their online store in order to support the device. that was one of the main reasons I bought this thing. books, Magazines, and newspapers, cheap, and delivered to my device so that they don't take up my limited dorm space. (ugh.... Dorms.....)

No matter the reason its simply the nook color appeals to people who want a little more out of an E-Reader. I originally bought mine JUST because I liked the E-Reader aspect and the Internet aspect... None of the root stuff made a big deal with me (infact I only added them because I like widgets) but if it was a "real" tablet, wouldnt it have the market place, which if i recall sorts apps by modules on your phone... so if you cant install something lets say "Dungeon Hunter HD" it wont appear in "the app store" dispite it being there. so... Wouldnt that make your point invalid for the most part?
as far as why they wanted a E-Reader to appeal to a mass market which had a bit more than the normal and gives you a little emph

10equals2 said:
I mean, I have no problem with buying books from their online store in order to support the device. that was one of the main reasons I bought this thing. books, Magazines, and newspapers, cheap, and delivered to my device so that they don't take up my limited dorm space. (ugh.... Dorms.....)
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Man, I totally get your pain. Too bad the e-reader market didn't mature until I basically graduated (though part of it was my fault too, kind of forgot about books with all the booze, parties and school, a shame really). And I had to switch dorms every year too.
From the teardowns I've seen the NOOKcolor isn't a loss leader per se, but there's barely any profit in it either. *shrug* B&N isn't The 'Charitable Foundation for the Promotion of Tablet Computing and Fair Use of Electronic Devices' - they're a Fortune 500 company, at that.

[Q] In the military looking at getting NC

Hello everyone, I have recently enlisted in the Navy as a Hospital Corpsman and I ship out in a few months. I have been looking at buying a e-reader for sometime now because I have recently become a big bookworm. I love to read, something I never did earlier in my life until now. From what I have heard from people in the Navy you need to have at least one of 3 things when deployed at sea. Either be a people person, love music, or love books. The aspect of having a e-reader seems great because you only get a small space in your berthing racks for personal items. Having a small device that can hold LOTS of books is great. I am also a very big android fan. I had the original grandfather of android devices the T-mobile G1 (rooted with CM 6.1) and now a T-mobile G2 (rooted with Vitourious) . So i been trying to do my research before buying one. I have a few questions that I haven't been able to find CLEAR answers for.
1. I have been finding a mixed answers on battery life. How long will it last with say moderate reading?
2. Video play back? I read that it can and cant play back avi files and such.... i believe it needs to be rooted to do so? I would love to be able to watch movies on this that I can pre-load on sd cards and bring a nice library of movies with me.
3. In-store access with rooted NC, I read that yes you can get on, and that you cant. I have 6 months before I leave and have a BN store nearby, would like to access free content before I leave.
4. Will rooting the phone take away from any of the original e-reader functions? Will i still be able to buy BN books from the device? This will be mostly a e-reader that can be used for movies, music and photo viewing.
5. Not as important just thought of it, but are there any cases for the NC that hold extra sd cards? A small pocket that can be used for this?
Basically im looking to use this device almost as a laptop replacement. I will not be able to access any wifi networks on ship with a personal laptop or device. They provide Department of Defense computers to access your DOD email and and limited internet. I could possibly get wifi access in some ports but its not gonna be common. So if I can use the device to do the things I mentioned above and maybe some games IE angry birds, and take up a minimal space in my rack. This device for the price it is I don't think i can find something better. If you know of a device that could be better, such as a ipad (hate apple) or the galaxy tab, if its worth the upgrade in price let me know. But I want to use it as a E-reader first.
Thanks for any help.
Ben

1. I have been finding a mixed answers on battery life. How long will it last with say moderate reading?
I would guestimate about 6-8 hours of reading
2. Video play back? I read that it can and cant play back avi files and such.... i believe it needs to be rooted to do so? I would love to be able to watch movies on this that I can pre-load on sd cards and bring a nice library of movies with me.
Even rooted some videos are choppy. If you format the videos into one more suited for the NC, it'll play them very well. You could do this before you leave, but doubtful you'll be able to once you ship out. In 6 months time though, a lot can happen, likely a stable Froyo that will play most videos.
3. In-store access with rooted NC, I read that yes you can get on, and that you cant. I have 6 months before I leave and have a BN store nearby, would like to access free content before I leave.
There currently is no Android market on any nook color, rooted or not. You can side-load applications with a rooted one, but until someone gets the setup wizard working or a stock android version, you likely won't have the market. The guy at B&N told me that the Android market was going to be available in a future patch, sometime early next year, but take that with a grain of salt since it's from someone in a retail store.
Also, since you've already got an android phone, you can download applications from your phone and load them onto your NC, so it's almost the entire app store with just a little more hassle of moving them over. Of course, there are plenty of apps that don't work yet, but that should change with future modding
4. Will rooting the phone take away from any of the original e-reader functions? Will i still be able to buy BN books from the device? This will be mostly a e-reader that can be used for movies, music and photo viewing.
You still have access to the B&N app post-root, but even better you've got access to the Amazon Kindle app.
5. Not as important just thought of it, but are there any cases for the NC that hold extra sd cards? A small pocket that can be used for this?
No idea, might want to have a look around to see what's available. You can always glue an envelope of some kind to the inside of a case. The Micro SD cards are tiny, so you'll want to store them safely.
Basically im looking to use this device almost as a laptop replacement. I will not be able to access any wifi networks on ship with a personal laptop or device. They provide Department of Defense computers to access your DOD email and and limited internet. I could possibly get wifi access in some ports but its not gonna be common. So if I can use the device to do the things I mentioned above and maybe some games IE angry birds, and take up a minimal space in my rack. This device for the price it is I don't think i can find something better. If you know of a device that could be better, such as a ipad (hate apple) or the galaxy tab, if its worth the upgrade in price let me know. But I want to use it as a E-reader first.
It's far from a laptop replacement. With "hacking" anything you are at the mercy of the device if you don't have a computer to hook it up to if something goes wrong. The iPad is going to be much more stable, as well as have more apps made for it. Of course, it's 2-3 times the price. The Galaxy Tab is going to be the same thing I think. Since you've got time to wait, you might want to see where the modding goes with the NC. If a stock Froyo build comes out for it, it'll probably be the best tablet on the market for the price, with only some missing features of the Tab (that you likely wouldn't use anyway.

BKOben said:
Hello everyone, I have recently enlisted in the Navy as a Hospital Corpsman and I ship out in a few months.
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First of all, thank you. I'm a former Force Recon Marine and there are very few who are willing to follow a Recon Marine into battle - Corpsman being the first in line.
BKOben said:
I have been looking at buying a e-reader for sometime now because I have recently become a big bookworm. I love to read, something I never did earlier in my life until now. From what I have heard from people in the Navy you need to have at least one of 3 things when deployed at sea. Either be a people person, love music, or love books.
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When I was on float, it was eat, sleep and work out. Not much more. Depending on what boat you are on though, there are lots of opportunities if you avail yourself.
BKOben said:
The aspect of having a e-reader seems great because you only get a small space in your berthing racks for personal items. Having a small device that can hold LOTS of books is great. I am also a very big android fan.
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I've only had my NC for less than a week but, I can tell you that it's my favorite Android device to date. There are lots of things to keep you occupied during your down time. The NC and a small netbook (I use an eeePC running Ubuntu) take up less space than most laptops but the combination gives you all you need to tinker with the NC and Android in general.
BKOben said:
1. I have been finding a mixed answers on battery life. How long will it last with say moderate reading?
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I'm seeing 6-7 hrs and that includes wifi on, surfing, tinkering, playing games, etc. I would imagine that with the backlight turned down and reading in your rack, you can expect the same or more.
BKOben said:
2. Video play back? I read that it can and cant play back avi files and such.... i believe it needs to be rooted to do so? I would love to be able to watch movies on this that I can pre-load on sd cards and bring a nice library of movies with me.
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You simply have to make sure that the videos have video resolution that is compatible with the NC as well as audio that is compatible. There is a thread here on xda-devs that addresses the exact settings that have worked well for others. I've not run into any issues personally.
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3. In-store access with rooted NC, I read that yes you can get on, and that you cant. I have 6 months before I leave and have a BN store nearby, would like to access free content before I leave.
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My rooted NC worked fine with in-store features todayy.
BKOben said:
4. Will rooting the phone take away from any of the original e-reader functions? Will i still be able to buy BN books from the device? This will be mostly a e-reader that can be used for movies, music and photo viewing.
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No. At least not the methods that are available today. Once custom ROMs roll, you'll need to make sure that you install the proprietary B&N Apks on top of the custom ROM since that proprietary SW can't be bundled into the ROMs. My currently rooted (original method) NC maintains all of the original features. Rooting it simply allowed me to unlock the capabilities of the hardware.
BKOben said:
5. Not as important just thought of it, but are there any cases for the NC that hold extra sd cards? A small pocket that can be used for this?
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There are a ton of cases for the NC available at B&N. The ones I looked at had "pockets" in them as well. Do you really anticipate reading several hundred books during a 6-month deployment on float? You can get enough storage to put several thousand books on for very cheap. Why carry multiple little SD's when you can simply use one large one?
BKOben said:
Basically im looking to use this device almost as a laptop replacement. I will not be able to access any wifi networks on ship with a personal laptop or device.
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Get a netbook as well as the Nook Color. You're gonna want a keyboard (a real one) at times. You can pick up an eeePC for very close to the same price as the Nook Color. For just over $500, you now have a netbook and a tablet. Your bases are covered.
BKOben said:
They provide Department of Defense computers to access your DOD email and and limited internet. I could possibly get wifi access in some ports but its not gonna be common.
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Don't count on internet access of any sort.
BKOben said:
So if I can use the device to do the things I mentioned above and maybe some games IE angry birds, and take up a minimal space in my rack. This device for the price it is I don't think i can find something better. If you know of a device that could be better, such as a ipad (hate apple) or the galaxy tab, if its worth the upgrade in price let me know. But I want to use it as a E-reader first.
BKOben said:
Get the Nook Color and a Netbook (I recommend the ASUS eeePC personally) and you'll be covered.
Semper Fi,
John
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B&N Shop resets nook color... ouch!!!

So I am not sure what just happened to my NC. It was rooted, market enabled, apps installed etc.
I (by accident) hit the B&N shop icon in my apps drawer. There was a brief message and then the nook factory reset itself. So I am back to square one, need to re-root and re-enable everything.
Is there a way to avoid this happening again? Are there others out there brave enough to try the shop app and see if it happens? I am not sure if it was just a fluke or if I should really watch out for the B&N shop, etc.
Any wisdom on the matter would be appreciated!!!

Shop works for me (Fully rooted, market, gmail, etc). Not sure why yours reset itself.

Same here, Shop has been working now for over a week rooted

OK, so I rerooted and re enabled market, etc... shop works now, loaded with no problems.
Not sure what happened before, I had enabled market the first time using an earlier method, pehaps that had something to do with it?

I had the same issue happen Monday evening. I was presented with an error message and then forced to reset. It has not reoccured and I have tried to replicate the error.
Sent from my Nook Color using XDA App.

Same thing happened to me two days ago, so I hope someone posts an answer in this thread as to how to prevent it, or recover from it!

Given the number of rooted nooks that are likely to be out here, it would be unfortunate for B&N if NONE of them could actually buy books from them.

I had this happen to me, but I was running from and external sdcard, so the reset failed. My theory was that I re-authorized the internal version and and external sdcard was still using the previous authorization.

Withfeeling said:
Given the number of rooted nooks that are likely to be out here, it would be unfortunate for B&N if NONE of them could actually buy books from them.
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Their book is way over priced. And they have tax at every states, while Amazon has no tax for most of the states. Even if they are able to match Amazon, the buyers still have to pay tax.
Another thing, their search engine sucks. Cannot find anything there.

I rooted my NC within minutes of purchase and have not had this issue. It would be flat-out nefarious for them to be doing this intentionally so, I'm hoping this is just a fluke that some have run into.

I just run the Kindle app, FBReader, Miren browser, Pulse Reader, and Google Reader for all my reading needs. I have ADW Launcher installed, so I don't bother with the Nooks built in apps.
Hopefully, that is enough to prevent me from having this problem.

thecalip said:
Their book is way over priced. And they have tax at every states, while Amazon has no tax for most of the states. Even if they are able to match Amazon, the buyers still have to pay tax.
Another thing, their search engine sucks. Cannot find anything there.
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Exactly. When are B&N and Amazon going to realize that customers know that it doesnt cost them the same to sell an ebook that it does a paper book. There is no printing, storing, transporting, manual labor to put it on the shelf so how the hell can they justify charging the same price for an ebook as a paper one? Their magazines are priced well, why not the books? Im hoping that with the competition that the prices will drop. Sorry BS&N, I love the tablet, but Im not buying squat from you. as soon as a complete rom is available this puppy is getting wiped!

I've had this happen after screwing with the Nook. If I'm using it normally after it's been rooted, and not poking around, it's fine.
Specifically, I was able to recreate it by adding a shortcut via Desktop Visualizer that pointed to one of the accounts and sync manager intents(can't recall which one). Trying to launch that shortcut failed, but after doing so and trying to return to my B&N library, the nook said the account had an issue authorizing and was resetting.

zappaziz said:
Exactly. When are B&N and Amazon going to realize that customers know that it doesnt cost them the same to sell an ebook that it does a paper book. There is no printing, storing, transporting, manual labor to put it on the shelf so how the hell can they justify charging the same price for an ebook as a paper one? Their magazines are priced well, why not the books? Im hoping that with the competition that the prices will drop. Sorry BS&N, I love the tablet, but Im not buying squat from you. as soon as a complete rom is available this puppy is getting wiped!
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it'll probably happen when ever the general consumer complains. as long as people are fine with overpaying for services, they'll continue inflating the prices. plus i think there's some kind of conflict where they don't want to hurt hard copy sales.

The costs to the publisher are reduced, but the AUTHOR does not get any of the extra margin... this is why a lot of authors are re-negotiating with publishers if they can (stephen King, for example) Just like any "new media" the price point will eventually come down.

this sudden reset has happened to myself and others on the forum. in my case, it was triggered by opening the BN library. however, after rerooting and reinstalling my apps, i haven't been able to replicate the problem.
i have one book that i'm reading from BN, but after that, i'll just stay away from the BN apps, and use the Kindle software instead. sorry BN, i hope you learn a lesson from this

Please do remember folks that we are tlking about a v1.0 device with v1.0 software that has been just recently hacked to do stuf that wasn't intended. And the hacks are 0.x ! Bound to be a few little quirks.

Chalk up another one for a "spontaneous reset" ! Not sure what happened exactly, I tried to recharge it with a standard USB adapter and since I'd read it took longer I just let it sit...a few minutes later I noticed it had restarted and upon restart I was presented with the "Robot sign-up", not sure if it was from autonook or the script since I had run both a couple of days ago, but it's timing out...looks I'm good for a full reset, fortunately I did a Titanium backup ealier today.
Oh, I had a notification saying "updated to 1.0.0" ! Thanks B&N ;-)
I thought I'd seen a thread called "Prevent NC from calling home and updating itself" but can't see it right now.

Dang, another spontaneous hard reset! This time I saw the whole process:
1. YouTube stops working, no video
2. A little later : authorization problem, your device needs to be reset!
3. Back to square one...
Either B&N are onto something or the market/gmail/youtube scripts are creating some problems. I'm going back to nooter to see if it's as rock solid as it was last week.

thecalip said:
Their book is way over priced. And they have tax at every states, while Amazon has no tax for most of the states. Even if they are able to match Amazon, the buyers still have to pay tax.
Another thing, their search engine sucks. Cannot find anything there.
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They have to add tax because they have a physical presence. Amazon exists only in the cloud (and Washington State, where it does add tax). It's not BN's fault.

A nice trip to B&N (Success Story)

Yesterday, I took a trip down to B&N to get a new charger since I'm still under warranty. (This is my second NC charger btw) The end that plugs into the nook just comes loose and wobbles up and down. This has happened both times (Don't know if it's just me or what).
The first time I went in, I just had to prove that I had a NC and I got my charger for free and it was as easy as that.
The second time however, the guy at B&N was a total prick. He had to look up my serial number and this and that, and he said the only way to find it was within the software (to identify that i bought it from B&N since best buy and walmart now sell it).
So I was a bit worried (I'm running Nookie Froyo 0.6.8 haha).
So the guy just kept my nook on the charge til we could boot it up to "find the serial".
Once it was booted up, this guy was just blown away. He was so impressed by the custom rom and the fact that I was just running A2.2 that his whole attitude changed.
After that it was like "wow man, you really know your stuff" "that's so cool!" "Let me see what I can do about a charger for you!" and so on.
In the end I got 2 new chargers. 1 In the mail from B&N customer service, and one in store once they get their shipment.
Moral of the story, The whole "Warranty is void" stuff doesn't really matter if the guy at B&N thinks you have an awesome device.
Oh, and for future reference for those of you who don't know, you can locate the serial number within the Micro SD Card slot. (as long as you have that, then you have a warranty)

Glad you had a good experience, my wife had the total opposite.
Same issue, my thoughts are that the mini-USB charging port that they use is longer than a "standard" plug port, thus the leverage issues causing the connector to easily bend out of whack.
Anywho, so my wife takes in the non-recharging nook and cord, and I had put the stock image back on but didn't know that I needed to do the 9-reboot system image refresh, so there were still some rooted elements on the phone.
Worker drills down into the "extras" menu and sees the rooted apps still on the device, then proceeds to berate (with a manager standing behind her!) my wife on how rooting the nook voided the warranty and how what she was tired of "people tampering with their machine and then asking us to fix everything" for 5 minutes in a voice loud enough for half the store to hear.
Needless to say my wife (a non-techie) was extremely embarassed and upset. She at least had the presence of mind to ask the employee to try out the cord on one of the store nooks and (surprise surprise!!) it didn't work!
Since the nook wasn't the issue the store replaced the cord (wonder if this is a recall-worthy issue?) and my wife left. I have since sent a letter to the regional manager expressing my disappointment at how she was treated, but wanted to give a word of warning that if you suspect the cord just take the cord itself into the store and ask them to try it on one of their in-store devices rather than have to deal with irate and rude salespeople for an unrelated issue.

Oh man, that is EXACTLY what i was afraid of.
That really sucks that your wife had to go through that. I can only imagine how my girlfriend would have handled that. (and me when she got home :| ) haha.
The guy i talked to at B&N said that he even wanted me to show his supervisor and that she had wanted 2.2 on her NC as well.
I even left my contact info for them to reach me if they ever wanted me to do so for their nooks.
I'm just glad it went over so well because it's not likely to happen most of the time.
And I think you're totally right about the length of the charger. It IS too long and it makes it easy to bend to become lose and break!

Cstanner17 said:
Moral of the story, The whole "Warranty is void" stuff doesn't really matter if the guy at B&N thinks you have an awesome device.
Oh, and for future reference for those of you who don't know, you can locate the serial number within the Micro SD Card slot. (as long as you have that, then you have a warranty)
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That's a great story. I'm glad it all worked out.
I had to return my nexus one and it had an unlocked boot loader. People say a lot about "warranty" without actually reading it. And a lot of haters will tell you its void cause they never took that step.
Most of the time if the problem has nothing to do with rooting or if it's a hardware problem you're good
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Glad you had a good experience, my wife had the total opposite.
Same issue, my thoughts are that the mini-USB charging port that they use is longer than a "standard" plug port, thus the leverage issues causing the connector to easily bend out of whack.
Anywho, so my wife takes in the non-recharging nook and cord, and I had put the stock image back on but didn't know that I needed to do the 9-reboot system image refresh, so there were still some rooted elements on the phone.
Worker drills down into the "extras" menu and sees the rooted apps still on the device, then proceeds to berate (with a manager standing behind her!) my wife on how rooting the nook voided the warranty and how what she was tired of "people tampering with their machine and then asking us to fix everything" for 5 minutes in a voice loud enough for half the store to hear.
Needless to say my wife (a non-techie) was extremely embarassed and upset. She at least had the prexsence of mind to ask the employee to try out the cord on one of the store noos and (surprise surprise!!) it didn't work!
Wince the nook wasn't the issue the store replaced the cord (wonder if this is a recall-worthy issue?) and my wife left. I have since sent a letter to the regional manager expressing my disappointment at how she was treated, but wanted to give a word of warning that if you suspect the cord just take the cord itself into the store and ask them to try it on one of their in-store devices rather than have to deal with irate and rude salespeople for an unrelated issue.
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This never happens to me or my wife . I have a talent for embarrassing purple in public. One I almost never get to use since I believe people shouldn't be treated that way. I would have probably taken a trip down there to chat with them. Good job on the letter and keeping your cool. This was all done In front of the manager? And what is their machine? It wasnt "ours" on the receipt....

One thing I noticed over the weekend on a car trip - it seems that the charger from my droid works just fine on my Nook (though not vice-versa due to the prong length), so if they give you warranty hassles you might have a cord lying around to use as a backup.

My charger is doing the same thing. I have had my nc since saturday, the plug was already bent slightly. I thought ok, it must be that way on purpose until sitting with it charging and my hand bent it back the right way. Recall sounds about appropriate. I think if it gives up. I will pay the 25 bucks to avoid such cases... you never know how they are going to react to the warranty/rooted thing.
I did have a similar scare with my phone. It was severly tweaked. The screen went wacky and when i called to get an insurance replacement, they sent a warranty replacement instead. Needless to say i was never so glad that they acidentally sent the replacemet to california rather than colorado. In the extra trip time, my phone died completely and i still haven't been charged for the warranty/rooting issue
Whew...
Moral is, I have had my NC for less than a week and may need a new charger soon...
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A standard Micro USB charges the Nook just fine, just takes a little bit longer then the Nook cable. I keep the nook one by my bed, and just use the cable that came with my Samsung Moment for my desktop/laptop.

Nburnes said:
A standard Micro USB charges the Nook just fine, just takes a little bit longer then the Nook cable. I keep the nook one by my bed, and just use the cable that came with my Samsung Moment for my desktop/laptop.
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Does the standard cable have the neat glowy bit? Though I agree its a good substitute when you need a new one. They should fix their **** and not use our rooting as an excuse.

Nburnes said:
A standard Micro USB charges the Nook just fine, just takes a little bit longer then the Nook cable. I keep the nook one by my bed, and just use the cable that came with my Samsung Moment for my desktop/laptop.
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Yea i do the same. I bought some cheapos from Monoprice.com and they work excellent.
and for those of you that have not heard of monoprice. I ordered 4 10 foot gold plated connectors, w/ ferret magnet HDMI cables, and 4 10 foot Micro USB cables for 30bucks shipped.
Shameless plug but saving money is good.
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Does the standard cable have the neat glowy bit? Though I agree its a good substitute when you need a new one. They should fix their **** and not use our rooting as an excuse.
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I'm telling you right now if i need to replace my USB cable i'm walking w/ an old one and walking out with a new one. The USB cable has nothing to do with the rooting process. nor the rooted device. It's completely a defective part regardless of the condition of the device.

Nothing like lousy customer service to upset your customer base. When you receive lousy service you're more likely to talk about it with family and friends then you are if you receive good service. That's not to mention the fact that your spending money in their store/place of service is what pays their salary.
Good for you for writing to the regional manager and calling the employee and manager out on their lousy service.

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Nothing like lousy customer service to upset your customer base. When you receive lousy service you're more likely to talk about it with family and friends then you are if you receive good service. That's not to mention the fact that your spending money in their store/place of service is what pays their salary.
Good for you for writing to the regional manager and calling the employee and manager out on their lousy service.
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lol so true. Look ad this thread for example. It was actually about a god experience but one bad employee (and a bad manager) set off a chain of ugly.

For some reason these types of employees have this mindset that they are helping the company's bottom line by pulling this kind of stuff when it comes to returns, exchanges, warranty. In reality...this kind of treatment is exactly why people start boycotting stores and taking their business elsewhere.
Like they say...don't bite the hand that feeds you.

come on guys just read all the threads on here about people returning their 'broken' nooks to b&n after they screwed them up.
obviously this person had too many bad experiences and took it out on someone they shouldn't have.
just try to think about what these people have to deal with every day before you get all judgmental.

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come on guys just read all the threads on here about people returning their 'broken' nooks to b&n after they screwed them up.
obviously this person had too many bad experiences and took it out on someone they shouldn't have.
just try to think about what these people have to deal with every day before you get all judgmental.
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When you work in customer service you can't go all ape**** on someone just because you had a bad day. That's just not a valid excuse. Either you give them what they want or you deny them in a courteous and respectful manner. If they don't accept your answer that's what your manager is there for. In this particular scenario, it sounds like the manager was already there. But regardless...you should never put yourself in a position where the customer can say that you were treating them poorly. Even if you were correct in your assessment of the situation, things can still go bad for you.
If you can't keep your cool, you probably don't want to have a job where you have direct interaction with customers.

My job is nothing but customer service all day. Do I deal with people who drive me nuts and try to advantage of me? Of course! But that doesn't mean I let them know that. There are professional ways to handle those types of situations and then there are the ways that get your company talked about in a negative manner on forums such as this.
I'm not judging. I have over 20 years of customer service experience. I know what good service is and what it means. It's what keeps people coming back to the place you work. It's what pays your salary at the end of the day. That and honesty.
Let's be honest here...do you keep going back to places of business where you get lousy service time after time after time? Most people don't.

[Q] Are the new Nook Color's hackable?

http://www.androidcentral.com/barnes-noble-pulling-nook-color-ready-anti-root-measures
My friend recently broke my Nook hacked to all hell, but he has a friend that works at Wal-mart. We can get it replaced with a new nook color, but according to that article, the new ones may not be hackable. Is this true? Please help.

Bogus rumor is bogus.

Theowb4 said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/barnes-noble-pulling-nook-color-ready-anti-root-measures
My friend recently broke my Nook hacked to all hell, but he has a friend that works at Wal-mart. We can get it replaced with a new nook color, but according to that article, the new ones may not be hackable. Is this true? Please help.
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A) Check the date on the article: Thursday, Feb 3, 2011. If this was true, you'd see plenty of threads discussing rooting post-Feb 3rd Nooks.
B) It clearly explains at the very top of the article that any anti-hacking measures were totally false:
Update: sources from Barnes & Noble have stated (unofficially) that this was merely due to a brief supply shortage of Nook Colors. It looks like this was most likely a false alarm and they'll keep happily selling you Nook Colors.
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Thank goodness. I wasn't sure either; and I'm still fearful of the upcoming upgrade. It would stink if they disabled the SD boot.

I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that the ability to boot from SD first is a hardware setting, not a software option. No amount of B&N firmare/OS updates or changes can take that option away - it would require cracking open the machine and changing some hardware configuration. That was the basis for some of the rumors regarding the supply shortage some months agao - that they were pulling all of their floor stock to make this change and re-supply with non-SD-bootable devices. This obviously did not come to pass. So unless they start quietly producing machines with a new hardware configuration there is nothing to worry about.
Besides, if you just install one of the custom ROMs available then all of the updates become a non-issue. CM7 is coming along nicely - I was a firm backer of rooted stock 2.1 until the past week or so. Flashed CM7 and am quite happy with it so far.
Cheers

That's all totally untrue. Ibjust bought. NC two days ago and rooted it with AN 3.0. When i was talking to the girl who sold me it she asked if i had any questions or wanted to play around with it and i politely replied "no i just want to root it", to which she responded with "they've made some changes so that people might not be able to root these" and i just laughed and said yeah i have more faith inbthe android dev community than some dev who works at B&N.
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That's all totally untrue. Ibjust bought. NC two days ago and rooted it with AN 3.0. When i was talking to the girl who sold me it she asked if i had any questions or wanted to play around with it and i politely replied "no i just want to root it", to which she responded with "they've made some changes so that people might not be able to root these" and i just laughed and said yeah i have more faith inbthe android dev community than some dev who works at B&N.
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Just goes to show how retail people are always so uninformed about technology.

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Just goes to show how retail people are always so uninformed about technology.
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Yea. Until they make the unit stop booting off the SDcard first the sky is the limit.

B&N has no reason to not want root. I bet they made the SD card boot first so that it was easy to root. Think about it this way...the more people that want to hack it, the more people that will buy it...if it was just a pure e-reader, I doubt they would have had the sales numbers they have. Also, it is most likely possible for them to send a OTA update and stop SD boot (as it is imprinted on the hardware, but can still be changed by software) but again, I doubt they'd ever want to do that.

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B&N has no reason to not want root. I bet they made the SD card boot first so that it was easy to root. Think about it this way...the more people that want to hack it, the more people that will buy it...if it was just a pure e-reader, I doubt they would have had the sales numbers they have. Also, it is most likely possible for them to send a OTA update and stop SD boot (as it is imprinted on the hardware, but can still be changed by software) but again, I doubt they'd ever want to do that.
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I tend to agree with you on that. I and several I know would have never considered a Nook Color if it weren't easily rooted. I picked one up a new one last week and rooted it with AN 3 the minute I got home (so to the OP, there's another confirmation for you that they're still rootable).
I think B&N's intention is primarily to sell these cheaply to get you to buy digital books (which are seriously over-priced) ala the give away the razor and make money off the replacement blades model. It's working somewhat with me...I never would have bought an digital book or magazine from B&N, but I've got my eye on a few when I have a chance to actually read a book..

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I tend to agree with you on that. I and several I know would have never considered a Nook Color if it weren't easily rooted. I picked one up a new one last week and rooted it with AN 3 the minute I got home (so to the OP, there's another confirmation for you that they're still rootable).
I think B&N's intention is primarily to sell these cheaply to get you to buy digital books (which are seriously over-priced) ala the give away the razor and make money off the replacement blades model. It's working somewhat with me...I never would have bought an digital book or magazine from B&N, but I've got my eye on a few when I have a chance to actually read a book..
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I am also one of these people that would have never bought the nook if it wasn't rootable, but it's not helping BN any cause I don't buy their books either

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I am also one of these people that would have never bought the nook if it wasn't rootable, but it's not helping BN any cause I don't buy their books either
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Well that is still helping B&N in two ways:
1 - What is called "economy of scale". It costs less per processor to buy 100,000 than to buy 10,000. So, if they break even on all the rooted Nooks, they save money on all the rest, or lower their selling price on all the rest, making more attractive to book readers.
2 - It raises the visibility of the Nook Color and B&N ereaders in general. Note that WSJ article about how rooting the NC gets you a bargain tablet. No doubt that that article also ended up selling some NC's to people who just want to read books bought from B&N.
The Nook rooting community is a big publicity machine for B&N, and e-books are still so new that any market share gained now is worth a lot in the future.

But the thing is, assuming they ARE at least breaking even on these "razors", then WHY has no one else been able to bring out a 7" capacitive tablet in anything like this price point?
I still feel (without any evidence) that they may be close to losing money on these and are really counting on the book sales, and that therefore future anti-rooting measures are still a possibility. Just fear and speculation on my part though...

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But the thing is, assuming they ARE at least breaking even on these "razors", then WHY has no one else been able to bring out a 7" capacitive tablet in anything like this price point?
I still feel (without any evidence) that they may be close to losing money on these and are really counting on the book sales, and that therefore future anti-rooting measures are still a possibility. Just fear and speculation on my part though...
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They can bring it out, but don't, because unlike B&N, have no further revenue after the purchase. B&N can afford to be lower, because they know that even if not all of them buy books, a good majority will buy some, now and in the future. Other tablet makers are SOL; once their device is sold, they are out of it, unless they can get some good accessories, etc...

Yeah, I'm almost surprised they let you leave the store without registering the device, like when buying a cell phone. I think we even paid cash. It's great for the consumer though! (I guess it's kind of sad that today a store letting you buy something without strings and gotchas is a source of unexpected joy.)

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Yeah, I'm almost surprised they let you leave the store without registering the device, like when buying a cell phone. I think we even paid cash. It's great for the consumer though! (I guess it's kind of sad that today a store letting you buy something without strings and gotchas is a source of unexpected joy.)
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That's mainly for the cellular aspect. You can actually buy a Xoom with cash and walk out without registering it. Might not be as easy as the Nook was (fastest I'd ever spent 250 bucks on a piece of electronics), but still possible.
Blocking Root is still possible, but not probable. Like one person said, they are making good money on their ebook sales AND the sales of the device so that's why the price point can be lower.

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I am also one of these people that would have never bought the nook if it wasn't rootable, but it's not helping BN any cause I don't buy their books either
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Likewise. Ironically enough, I don't really read books much anymore. But it was because I got the Nook Color to hack as a tablet, that I was curious about downloading a book from the Nook store. Both me and B&N are happy. They make the money they need to offset the price of the NC, and I get the tablet I wanted.