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Just want to see what everyone's take is with the battery life issues, etc
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If you guys seriously consider that either trolling or flaming, then your standards for such really are lackluster.
For the sake of the thread though, I went back to MCR r15. Runs amazing, and have much faster up and dl speeds. Paul said he will be releasing a ROM based on this soon anyway, so I can wait. FroYo was amazing though. Only real reason I went back was because of a wifi issue, LOL. Turns out it was just an IP address conflict. I reset the IP of my laptop and solved it, but only AFTER I'd reverted. Too lazy to go back again.
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If you guys seriously consider that either trolling or flaming, then your standards for such really are lackluster.
For the sake of the thread though, I went back to MCR r15. Runs amazing, and have much faster up and dl speeds. Paul said he will be releasing a ROM based on this soon anyway, so I can wait. FroYo was amazing though. Only real reason I went back was because of a wifi issue, LOL. Turns out it was just an IP address conflict. I reset the IP of my laptop and solved it, but only AFTER I'd reverted. Too lazy to go back again.
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Why MCR R15 over CM 5.0.7.1?
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Just want to see what everyone's take is with the battery life issues, etc
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I have great battery life with FroYo, running stock FroYo kernel, and all... I do have a few small bugs that were clear signs to me it was unofficial to begin with, and am excited for the official release to see if it polishes out those few minor issues.
All in all, though, 99.9% of if works perfect. Super fast, great battery life, and so forth. Radio seems to be about the same as all the others, I get good 3G when I have it, good EDGE when I am on that. I still say I get better reception than my G1 did, but that is just me and my testing at my Dad's house (death hole for cell phone coverage) and my basement (it is where my "man dungeon" is located). Beyond that, I always get good coverage no matter the phone, so it has been a moot point to me... speed wise, I always edit my GPRS and HSDPA to 12 and 2.
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Why MCR R15 over CM 5.0.7.1?
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Why CM over MCR? Or Enom over CM? and so forth... personal preference is the likely answer. I like MCR since I have a pay account over there and can use his kitchens, thus making a ROM that is lighter. I like Enom because it is rock solid, fast, and great battery life (1.8.1 is best IMHO). I like CM because it is bleeding edge, fast, and while has its moments of instability, is still the gold standard for a full feature custom ROM, especially with all the extras pre-baked in. Desire has only 1 real option, Modaco.
And I like FroYo the most because it is new, super duper fast, good battery life, and I like frozen yogurt.
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Why MCR R15 over CM 5.0.7.1?
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MCR r15 for me runs soooo much smoother. I love CyanogenMod, as my sign indicates. LOL. After trying out r15 though I was hooked.
The poll options seem to indicate a dislike of Froyo. Even the positive options imply that by using it you are putting up with tons of bugs or something. Are people really having trouble with Froyo?
It's been working well for me. My battery life has been worse but I thought it was just because I had turned Latitude back on about the same time I upgraded to Froyo.
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The poll options seem to indicate a dislike of Froyo. Even the positive options imply that by using it you are putting up with tons of bugs or something. Are people really having trouble with Froyo?
It's been working well for me. My battery life has been worse but I thought it was just because I had turned Latitude back on about the same time I upgraded to Froyo.
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I LOVE FroYo but can't tolerate the battery consumption. Sorry if it came off bias
I love FroYo and I want to keep it but... I have some problems that I can't live with.
1. Reboot phone, resets widgets and some installed programs on SD
2. Double messaging notifications (stock messaging app conflict with other apps, even if I disable notifications)
3. Miss the tweaks and stuff from CM
Still using it but urging to switch back until custom roms are out.
Not only am I keeping Froyo, I'm being FORCED to use my TMobile Nexus(2.2) instead of my ATT Nexus(2.1) because Froyo makes 2.1 feel like a slow crappy beta.
I cannot even get voice plus data at the same time with my TMobile Nexus, yet I use it because, imo, Froyo is that much better.
Going back to my 2.1 Nexus feels like a pre launch beta device that I yell at because it's so damn laggy compared to Froyo, which is fast as a bullet.
Please Google give us 2.2 so I can go back to my freaking ATT Nexus!
wish I could have two nexus ones, LOL.
Overall I loved FroYo, and had I realized the IP conflict before switching back to MCR r15, I would still be on it.
Well, I just solved two of my problems, it's not so bad now. Going to stick with it
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wish I could have two nexus ones, LOL.
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if I'd known the ATT version was going to follow so closely behind the Tmobile version, I would only have one as well. I just couldn't wait. I keep the Tmobile Nexus rather than sell it because if anything were to ever happen to my ATT Nexus, my GF will NEVER let me buy a third one. I've used up my smartphone quota for quite awhile
People get too caught up in the other ROMS when in all reality Froyo briings everything they need via a stock ROM but some folks would rather run Cyano or Modaco just to say they have have a custom ROM. In all reality if you install Froyo after a clean wipe the only real bug you will encounter is with some marketplace apps not showing up. A small price to pay considering they will eventually show up and life will be back to normal. The majority of ppl complaining about other bugs are folks who flashed froyo over a cyano or modaco etc.. rom and of course they are going to have problems as this update was obviously not tested with cyano or modaco as a base rom for obvious reasons. I'd say a good 90% plus of the problems some are experiencing are due to this and the rest of us are loving Froyo to death. I'm happy with it and anxiously awaiting the official release so I can reinstall those market apps that are missing as that's the only real bug I am encountering after a clean install of Froyo.
For everyday use I feel Froyo is definitely slower than CM5.0.7 with pershoot's latest kernel. I used CM's quick rooter with Froyo so I was also OC'd for a fair comparison. I'm still going to keep using Froyo because it's fun seeing optimizations and themes etc slowly tickle out for the new Android build.
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People get too caught up in the other ROMS when in all reality Froyo briings everything they need via a stock ROM but some folks would rather run Cyano or Modaco just to say they have have a custom ROM. In all reality if you install Froyo after a clean wipe the only real bug you will encounter is with some marketplace apps not showing up. A small price to pay considering they will eventually show up and life will be back to normal. The majority of ppl complaining about other bugs are folks who flashed froyo over a cyano or modaco etc.. rom and of course they are going to have problems as this update was obviously not tested with cyano or modaco as a base rom for obvious reasons. I'd say a good 90% plus of the problems some are experiencing are due to this and the rest of us are loving Froyo to death. I'm happy with it and anxiously awaiting the official release so I can reinstall those market apps that are missing as that's the only real bug I am encountering after a clean install of Froyo.
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I agree, to a degree, but there is no way most people are just caught up in the hype of a ROM. The assumption and assertion that custom ROMs are pointless is unjustified, and bias to your needs. I find the the enhancements custom ROMs bring can drastically alter my user experience in many ways. For example, MCR r15 runs circles around my stock ROM, in terms of speed, performance with games, battery life, etc. Prior to FroYo, these ROMs added the wifi/wired tethering, lower capacitive button fix (thanks kmobs), better battery life, smaller file sizes for installed system, homescreen rotation (which FroYo still doesn't do), trackball colors, and various other small tidbits. Now that FroYo is out (I wonder how much of what's in FroYo only came about due to the Dev community putting it out there, and Google taking notice.. hmm), I can only imagine what the Devs will cook up to enhance it even further.
Looking forward to the future Cyano ROMS based on Froyo no doubt but at this point in time Froyo brings everything I ever rooted for and gives me better battery life to boot. The dev community certainly had some influence in the features we see today in Froyo and for that I am thankful, don't mean to sound like i'm coming down on the devs. I just don't see much point in running anything other than Froyo right now but will consider it once I see what the devs can add to it.
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I just don't see much point in running anything other than Froyo right now but will consider it once I see what the devs can add to it.
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Well, if you want a good example - I want the option to have sd-ext partition (custom, pre-Froyo Apps2SD). Firstly because many apps I have currently don't support moving to SD - and I'm "overbooked" by at least 50MB that I have to offload to SD card to have some space left on the device, and also because I like the ability to mound SD card without loosing access to applications.
I also hate it that I don't have direct access to hidden system menus, and even for changing the browser user agent I need to write "about:debug".
Those things keep me with CM5.0.7.1 until better times.
Hi guys sorry if this is a stupid question but I have looked on the forum and not really found what I wanted. I would like to know if there is any pretty stable 2.3 Roms for the Galaxy S out yet. Links to the threads would be appreciated!
Thanks,
Dali
there is no official version of 2.3 gingerbread.. only beta version XWJV1, you can find it here -> CLICK
CM7 is available (based on 2.3.3).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=940095
it's not final yet.. contain some bugs, and its not for daily use ..
Iv been using CM7 now for two weeks or so and its perfectly stable. There are a few things that don't work but most things for everyday use does. And its being updated every other day. Just make sure to read the instructions and understand the steps before you try it out.
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If by perfectly stable, you mean "no crashes", then yeah, I'd agree. It never crashed for me either. HOWEVER, if you actually USE your phone as more than a toy, good luck.. CM7 didn't even pick up the correct IMEI, camera/video recording is broken, etc. But GPS at least "works" (about as well as any normal SGS in my opinion, which isn't that great anyway). I also recall the phone signal fluctuating a lot more last I used it.
A simple question: If you relied on phone calls through your mobile to make your money for your job, would you trust CM7 beta yet? I wouldn't! In fact, in my opinion most the stuff that worked was either on par, or below par with the stock firmware. There was also a lot of stuff that didn't work.
I didn't see any real benefit to using the ROM yet. It's a fun toy, but my overall experience was worse with it. It will grow your e-penis, but considering only recently they fixed the touchscreen support on it, clearly, it still is early days. The main features which seem to have made the SGS a better phone at launch than competitors (with the exception of Multitouch), don't seem to be there yet
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If by perfectly stable, you mean "no crashes", then yeah, I'd agree. It never crashed for me either. HOWEVER, if you actually USE your phone as more than a toy, good luck.. CM7 didn't even pick up the correct IMEI, camera/video recording is broken, etc. But GPS at least "works" (about as well as any normal SGS in my opinion, which isn't that great anyway). I also recall the phone signal fluctuating a lot more last I used it.
A simple question: If you relied on phone calls through your mobile to make your money for your job, would you trust CM7 beta yet? I wouldn't! In fact, in my opinion most the stuff that worked was either on par, or below par with the stock firmware. There was also a lot of stuff that didn't work.
I didn't see any real benefit to using the ROM yet. It's a fun toy, but my overall experience was worse with it. It will grow your e-penis, but considering only recently they fixed the touchscreen support on it, clearly, it still is early days. The main features which seem to have made the SGS a better phone at launch than competitors (with the exception of Multitouch), don't seem to be there yet
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Agree on everything. CM7 looks sexy and is pretty fast(wouldnt say much faster than the latest lagfixed samsung stuff but fast ) That's why I still hope for some roms from samsung in the coming months(ofcourse GB) , and ofcourse source release cause I cant live withoout Voodoo Sound
But nowhere in his post did Dali mention anything about business. All he asks is if there are any 2.3 ROMs. IMHO there are very few problems with CM7 and as far as call signal goes using the JQ1 modem has improved my signal substantially.
I'd still recommended trying it out and if your not happy you can always revert to stock. Simples
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But nowhere in his post did Dali mention anything about business. All he asks is if there are any 2.3 ROMs. IMHO there are very few problems with CM7 and as far as call signal goes using the JQ1 modem has improved my signal substantially.
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It's true he never mentioned business. But he did mention STABLE roms.
My point was to provide an alternative perspective. There is a growing prevalence of users pushing software which they believe is "stable", however, put the biggest peddlers of such software in a situation where your time costs money, and a lot of the times, they will suddenly say it isn't stable enough (which seems to be a perspective a lot of vocal Linux users have never experienced).
And whilst there are "limited problems", there are certainly more serious issues than the standard stock ROM's.. Camera support, fm support (at least last build I tried) and the compass is definitely dodgy. HD quality movie playback for myself was also broken... As mentioned, the ROM also showed my IMEI as corrupt when I tried the ROM the second time..
The question is, do you want to inconvenience yourself simply to have a glorious 2.3 rom, or do you realistically want the most productive ROM?
I m making this post because I am curious as to what everyone thinks in here .
so what is your opinion witch one runs smooter on your phone and what advantages you see in abuild vs the other .
P.S. I will state my opinion once a few have answered so that my opinion doesnt give a direction to the thread /
Matter of opinion but generally speaking i9000's roms tend to be have more features since source and leaks come out first. I personally prefer native i897 roms because of audience chip support and they just run better imo.
^ what he said.
Bln, customized kernel splashes, working nandroid, hsupa, and ext4 (which is not even needed just thought I'd mention it) for I9000. But they all run with their little quirks ;/
I897 has much better battery life for me and runs smoother IMO, don't really give a crap about the audience chip, never talk on the phone.
Also another trade off is upload speeds.
well here is my take on this .
i897 pros :
Native f/w : i897 users can benefit of there provider's feature (mainly referred to as bloatware)
Audience chip support
Placebo effect : ?the illusion that running a native rom for our phone changes something?
i897 cons :
obsolete updates (note that lately Samsung has leaked many f/w and seems the Captivate is catching up to the i9000 ) but if you are running a native i897/i896 based rom chances are your a few month back in development
3G vs H no brainer here . I dotn use data myslef but its a Deal breaker for many .
Sources for Gingerbread still not released for our device , there is only few that can be done on the kernel side witch is one of the most if not THE most important thing on our phone .
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i9000 pros
H vs 3G . I dotn use data myslef but its a Deal breaker for many .
Kernel Source
f/w updates are more often and more recent in other words :
more support from samsung
more language / csc choices
more developers = more development
i9000 cons
they use to be many .. but truth is there is only one reason and that is the audience chip support ...
IT all comes down to this : Audience chip support with either obsolete f/w or basically stock kernel vs Data speed latest f/w more support from devs and Samsung .
these device are the same minus front facing video camera , FM antenna and h/w buttons
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Since I owned my i896 I have run all the stock f/w possible on my phone :
i896 i897 i9088 Vibrant based rom ( Axura ) and i9000
About Battery Drain :
the most performance I have ever run on my phone was the set up that drained my battery the most .. makes sense right ? tweaking your phone for smoothness at a level where it doesnt eat your battery can be tricky some apps may drain your battery one day and not the other day (example apps didnt close and kept draining silently) .
Ill tell you all a secret about cooking a rom , other then the kernel theres nothing that can be done to make battery life better , a rom chef can do things that will make battery drain worst (for example installing unstable apps or doing other stuff wrong ). but in the end the choice of kernel / modem combo, your display settings (#1 battery drain on ALL of our Samoled phone) and of course OC/UV settings, these are the only things that impact your phone 's battery life , for the rest , everytime you flash a new rom if somethign is wrong , reflash wipe your battery stats and let your phoen settle ( few charges and discharges ) .
Please dotn take my point of view personal about battery drain , everyone is entitled to there opinion on the matter , some ppl prefer stock odex roms with rooted stock kernel , I prefer to have my phone tweaked / themed customized Overclock and drain the battery like mad on it some ppl dont , these ppl should stay away form custom rom ESPECIALLY those developped on CLOSED SOURCE KERNEL as 99% of there battery tweaks are placebo .
hereI said it
I9000 is what I prefer, runs faster and has more features but uses more battery. As far as audience chip I only notice a difference if there is alot of background notice, like my window being down in the car. I897 roms are sluggish for me.
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I can say that Native I897 GB rom (2.3.3,2.3.4,2.35) have an incredible battery life. I have gotten up to 48 hours with any recharge. If you look at Fasty III, it now has added Ext 4 and Voodoo video to it along with init.d, that allows for major tweaks.
PS I have gotten up to 2526 quadrant score with Tegrak on Fasty III KI2
Hear hear!
I agree completely. As one who flashes a different ROM every other day, I can tell that most of them are just skinned and themed versions of the same thing. Some devs have better skills and can tweak configs to make android run better for some, but there are so many users with differing essential necessities that it is hard to optimize the system for all users. For me personally, I use the actual phone app maybe an hour a week, so the lack of the audience chip support isn't a dealbreaker for me, but for some it is essential. And I have tried every GPS tweak and hack and config with no success, but I don't rely on my GPS on my phone (not since that trip to NYC... *shudder*). OF course if that function is essential for you, you have the wrong phone.
I was just thinking that it would be great if someone created a ROM that featured system and apps optimized for a density of 200, but it would essentially be running the same base as all the other ROMs.
The best ROM I have used battery-wise is Andromeda 2.2. Great battery life and stability, but unfortunately is several revisions out of date. The smoothest performance I have had is also the one that murdered my battery, CM7.
I would rather see a couple base ROMs that devs would then offer themes, tweaks, and patches for so that we could pick and choose what is needed for them. My 2 cents
Great idea opening this thread DAGr8 !! Lots of newbies will have a general idea on how things are in the cappy land ,on that note this should be stickied.
As for me I'm more a i9k guy, mainly due to the better kernel support. Like to tweek myself so battery is secondary as I took for granted charging to phone daily ever since the smart phone era impacted my life.
The only reason for me to switch is the audience chip. Unfortunately I had cpl of, well not so happy responses from the other end of the line regarding call quality, but when in a peaceful nature the quality is good.
Like the way how the cappys kernel support is shaping up, but still there's allways that lack of source that holds the guys back. Would like to thank all you devs for making our cappys be what it is today, imo a captivated sensation
You left out an option Dag, what about AOSP? I would have never tried to flash MIUI/CM7 before it became a simple flash with CWM, but since it is that easy now I have flashed MIUI and I love it. I've tried going back to Samsung roms, but end up back here after a few days.
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You left out an option Dag, what about AOSP? I would have never tried to flash MIUI/CM7 before it became a simple flash with CWM, but since it is that easy now I have flashed MIUI and I love it. I've tried going back to Samsung roms, but end up back here after a few days.
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Great point CM is not true aosp but close enough at least , reason why they are not added in this thread is because I am not a fan , of the way it runs on our device (great job by the devs) but seem like the i9000 family were never made to run true AOSP , CM built on true aosp phone like nexus tho thats somethign else I am definitely an admirer . if ppl are willing to share there experience with CM I will add 'the option' in the op 's title eventho im afraid this coudl become a war between TW fanboys (ilke myself ) and CM fanboy ..
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Great point CM is not true aosp but close enough at least , reason why they are not added in this thread is because I am not a fan , of the way it runs on our device (great job by the devs) but seem like the i9000 family were never made to run true AOSP , CM built on true aosp phone like nexus tho thats somethign else I am definitely an admirer . if ppl are willing to share there experience with CM I will add 'the option' in the op 's title eventho im afraid this coudl become a war between TW fanboys (ilke myself ) and CM fanboy ..
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Understandable. Just didn't want the aosp'ish followers without even a nod.
By now everyone should know my alliance is with the I9000 stock ROM. At&t meddled with the I897 too much.
At times I am torn betwixt the two...but for now, with all the i897 leaked firmware that has been of late, and that along with all the great Dev work on this side of the house, I choose the i897.
For me, it just works. The leaks, since KF1, have had excellent battery life. The noise cancellation is a great plus. The capped upload speeds a minus I know, but worth the trade. The firmware bugs have been getting resolved. Themes, mods, extras, etc. are really good. And the phone running on the i897 gingerbread firmware is fast, responsive, and a pleasure to use.
Anywho...my 2 cents. Thanks again to all devs.
I ultimately had to ditch my i9000 rom for two reasons. First, I just couldn't find a modem that was good for both voice and data. It was either-or. Second, bluetooth is unusable with i9000. I have a car with bluetooth connectivity for calling and I like to use it, so that was a deal breaker for me.
I will stay on i9000 rom for now.
But i897 rom/kernel can provide sharpness fix, voodoo sound, lagfix, I will turn to i897 rom.
I have try i897 GB rom before, i897 GB rom have excellent battery life and noise cancellation. But I can't accept samsung stock rom horrible sharpness quality.......
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I m making this post because I am curious as to what everyone thinks in here .
so what is your opinion witch one runs smooter on your phone and what advantages you see in abuild vs the other .
P.S. I will state my opinion once a few have answered so that my opinion doesnt give a direction to the thread /
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i prefer to the I897 ROM ，when the GB source published，we will get more more developers and it will more eazy to mod our Rom
@DAGr8, can we flash any i9000 rom that hasn't been ported to the Captivate as long as we are using a reoriented i9000 kernel like Talon?
Or are there specific things done to Captivate ports that are essential for it to run correctly?
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@DAGr8, can we flash any i9000 rom that hasn't been ported to the Captivate as long as we are using a reoriented i9000 kernel like Talon?
Or are there specific things done to Captivate ports that are essential for it to run correctly?
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Not much needs to be done... I will make a script for you guys very soon that will allow you to do just that..
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App
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Not much needs to be done... I will make a script for you guys very soon that will allow you to do just that..
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App
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thank you!
I don't want to make trouble, but I'm hoping there can be a dialog as to the viability of the Captivate as a long-term, stable cell phone.
Like probably everyone here, I found the ROM AT&T supplied for the Captivate to be practically (if not criminally) unusable even if I didn't care about my rights to do what I want with it (but I do). Thus I decided that I needed to flash it with something better.
Obviously, there are a lot of Captivate owners who work very hard (and presumably, enjoy) modifying and tweaking the Android system for their phone - and that's great - but I'm not one of them. I appreciate that people like to change the look of their <object> and that the latest-and-greatest functionality is an ever-moving target, but paramount to me for everything in my life is minimal maintenance.
I don't really care about flashy eye-candy and holiday color schemes if it is moderately consistent. I am not looking to squeeze the last 2% (or even 10%) of possible speed out of my phone, but I do want it to respond to my input within a few tenths of a second (faster w/ typing) unlike the stock ROM. I have to use a lock-code, so I don't give a fig about the number of lock screens. If I could flash my phone and never have a need (note: not desire) to do it again, that would be fantastic. If I have to re-flash it once every 6 months and don't need to (re)read long (long!) meandering threads with cryptic and often conflicting and (possibly - how to tell?) outdated information, I could live with that.
Basically, it seems like I have to choose between a fixed, official ROM that sucks, or a sea of ever-changing ROMs with stability problems and a lot of focus on look-and-feel.
I'm not here crying about not having the perfect phone experience, rather I'm interested in the opinion of you here, "in the know", as to whether there exists a Captivate ROM that is stable in both the short-term (little to no crashes or unplanned reboots) and in the long term (will function similarly for months when not tweaked beyond what say, TiBu or AdAway would do).
This is something I've been wondering for months now (as my Serendipidy ROM grew ever-more unstable), but it has come to a head now because my wife is insisting that I encounter so many problems with my Cappy (currently experiencing various problems with Serenity) that I need to get a new phone (and it should be an iPhone like hers). I am as jealous at her stability, battery life and lack of problems as I am loathe to sell my soul to live in the walled garden with the iDevil.
If the world of smart phones is really a choice among the walled garden, the astro-turfed basement and the slopes of a volcano in the jungle, then I will have to accept that and choose my fate. If the problem is Samsung/AT&T and Android is simply ambrosia on some other device/carrier (as my colleague claims), then I would love to know that too.
Sorry for the dissertation and thanks for the thoughts.
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I don't want to make trouble, but I'm hoping there can be a dialog as to the viability of the Captivate as a long-term, stable cell phone.
Like probably everyone here, I found the ROM AT&T supplied for the Captivate to be practically (if not criminally) unusable even if I didn't care about my rights to do what I want with it (but I do). Thus I decided that I needed to flash it with something better.
Obviously, there are a lot of Captivate owners who work very hard (and presumably, enjoy) modifying and tweaking the Android system for their phone - and that's great - but I'm not one of them. I appreciate that people like to change the look of their <object> and that the latest-and-greatest functionality is an ever-moving target, but paramount to me for everything in my life is minimal maintenance.
I don't really care about flashy eye-candy and holiday color schemes if it is moderately consistent. I am not looking to squeeze the last 2% (or even 10%) of possible speed out of my phone, but I do want it to respond to my input within a few tenths of a second (faster w/ typing) unlike the stock ROM. I have to use a lock-code, so I don't give a fig about the number of lock screens. If I could flash my phone and never have a need (note: not desire) to do it again, that would be fantastic. If I have to re-flash it once every 6 months and don't need to (re)read long (long!) meandering threads with cryptic and often conflicting and (possibly - how to tell?) outdated information, I could live with that.
Basically, it seems like I have to choose between a fixed, official ROM that sucks, or a sea of ever-changing ROMs with stability problems and a lot of focus on look-and-feel.
I'm not here crying about not having the perfect phone experience, rather I'm interested in the opinion of you here, "in the know", as to whether there exists a Captivate ROM that is stable in both the short-term (little to no crashes or unplanned reboots) and in the long term (will function similarly for months when not tweaked beyond what say, TiBu or AdAway would do).
This is something I've been wondering for months now (as my Serendipidy ROM grew ever-more unstable), but it has come to a head now because my wife is insisting that I encounter so many problems with my Cappy (currently experiencing various problems with Serenity) that I need to get a new phone (and it should be an iPhone like hers). I am as jealous at her stability, battery life and lack of problems as I am loathe to sell my soul to live in the walled garden with the iDevil.
If the world of smart phones is really a choice among the walled garden, the astro-turfed basement and the slopes of a volcano in the jungle, then I will have to accept that and choose my fate. If the problem is Samsung/AT&T and Android is simply ambrosia on some other device/carrier (as my colleague claims), then I would love to know that too.
Sorry for the dissertation and thanks for the thoughts.
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......so get an iPhone then........
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I bought my wife a 4gs on launch day, and its smooth but not without a few faults. The amount of repeat info here can turn into a maze of discouragement, but I think just a little more effort might yield the results you want. I'm currently running mosaic 8 with the latest semiphore kernel and its very stable to say the least.
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KK4 seems to be the final update and source code is out so things are about to get real good. There are 5-6 real nice stable roms out right now. Take the time to find one you like and stick with it.
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Wdustin1 said:
......so get an iPhone then........
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So, your view is that the Captivate and/or Android phones are best used by people who have both the skills and time to regularly - if not constantly - rebuild and tweak hidden and background settings always at some risk of bricking their several-hundred dollar device, and you see the iPhone as the proper choice for people who simply want something that works for their day-to-day use?
That's worse than what everyday users had to manage with DOS or in the early days of Linux or Windows 95. At least with those, your hardware wasn't (usually) at risk.
Is there no solution for those in the middle who want something that works day-to-day and allows them some freedom to make minor changes like block ads and install "unapproved" apps? Are they simply out of luck?
teknowledgist said:
I don't want to make trouble, but I'm hoping there can be a dialog as to the viability of the Captivate as a long-term, stable cell phone.
Like probably everyone here, I found the ROM AT&T supplied for the Captivate to be practically (if not criminally) unusable even if I didn't care about my rights to do what I want with it (but I do). Thus I decided that I needed to flash it with something better.
Obviously, there are a lot of Captivate owners who work very hard (and presumably, enjoy) modifying and tweaking the Android system for their phone - and that's great - but I'm not one of them. I appreciate that people like to change the look of their <object> and that the latest-and-greatest functionality is an ever-moving target, but paramount to me for everything in my life is minimal maintenance.
I don't really care about flashy eye-candy and holiday color schemes if it is moderately consistent. I am not looking to squeeze the last 2% (or even 10%) of possible speed out of my phone, but I do want it to respond to my input within a few tenths of a second (faster w/ typing) unlike the stock ROM. I have to use a lock-code, so I don't give a fig about the number of lock screens. If I could flash my phone and never have a need (note: not desire) to do it again, that would be fantastic. If I have to re-flash it once every 6 months and don't need to (re)read long (long!) meandering threads with cryptic and often conflicting and (possibly - how to tell?) outdated information, I could live with that.
Basically, it seems like I have to choose between a fixed, official ROM that sucks, or a sea of ever-changing ROMs with stability problems and a lot of focus on look-and-feel.
I'm not here crying about not having the perfect phone experience, rather I'm interested in the opinion of you here, "in the know", as to whether there exists a Captivate ROM that is stable in both the short-term (little to no crashes or unplanned reboots) and in the long term (will function similarly for months when not tweaked beyond what say, TiBu or AdAway would do).
This is something I've been wondering for months now (as my Serendipidy ROM grew ever-more unstable), but it has come to a head now because my wife is insisting that I encounter so many problems with my Cappy (currently experiencing various problems with Serenity) that I need to get a new phone (and it should be an iPhone like hers). I am as jealous at her stability, battery life and lack of problems as I am loathe to sell my soul to live in the walled garden with the iDevil.
If the world of smart phones is really a choice among the walled garden, the astro-turfed basement and the slopes of a volcano in the jungle, then I will have to accept that and choose my fate. If the problem is Samsung/AT&T and Android is simply ambrosia on some other device/carrier (as my colleague claims), then I would love to know that too.
Sorry for the dissertation and thanks for the thoughts.
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Cm7. Wipe data factory reset again after flashing, let it sit for 10 mins after first boot but before you sign in.
My vibrant was perfectly stable that way.
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MIUI, great fast ROM. All you have to do is flash the small update every week and everything stays the same. You don't loose data!
If you don't feel like doing the update every single week just skip a few here and there. Or got the latest Gingerbread leak(KK4) and use it. It is stable, has great battery life, and pretty fast, but still can't compare to MIUI/CM7 speeds!
I'm not sure what you mean by stock AT&T ROM being no good. I've used a Captivate that had the official AT&T stock 2.2 on it, and it was pretty darn good. I then loaded the "stock" AT&T gingerbread leak on it, and it was even better. Almost no lag at all, GPS worked great, and battery life was excellent. I think you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
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I'm not sure what you mean by stock AT&T ROM being no good. I've used a Captivate that had the official AT&T stock 2.2 on it, and it was pretty darn good. I then loaded the "stock" AT&T gingerbread leak on it, and it was even better. Almost no lag at all, GPS worked great, and battery life was excellent. I think you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
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I tried to use the stock 2.2. I really did. I was getting random shutdowns and reboots all the time and the lag, oh the lag! I can't tell you how many times I would hit an on-screen button and nothing would happen. I would hit it again a second or three later or try a different on screen-button, and still nothing. Thinking the app had crashed, I would hit home or back. Another second or two after that, everything I had done would process in a millisecond and I would be back at the home screen with no idea what I had done as the "extra" touches would register as some other command on the screens that followed and I didn't see.
Once I reflashed the first time, the lag went away and the shutdowns greatly diminished, but since then I have had various other problems. Things like:
- the phone telling me I had a cell signal when I didn't and because I don't make many outgoing calls or texts I just thought nobody wanted to talk to me. Meanwhile people were getting mad that I wasn't getting back to them.
- Apps "uninstalling" by themselves sometimes with a generic icon to replace them. Re-installing them sometimes worked and sometimes didn't (with the same app).
- Texts that come in 5 hours after they were sent and 2 hours after I emerged into a strong cell signal (I work in a sub-basement).
When I tried the KK4 stock, everything did seem to work well until I actually tried to use it as a phone. It said I had signal and I had data connection, but most calls would simply never dial, and while it would ring and I could see who was calling, I couldn't answer. This seems particularly bizarre to me as you would think the ROM/modem pair should work with all Captivates.
If you want stability, I'd recommend Firefly or Andromeda. They are both older and are Froyo builds, but ultra stable.
And I concur the out of the box Cappy 2.1 build was unusable...it's how I ended up here at xda! Unlike you however, I found that I do like tweaking my phone, and I've done some amount of that...not without peaks and valleys, but I currently really enjoy the Mosaic ROM with Semaphore JVZ kernel.
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teknowledgist said:
So, your view is that the Captivate and/or Android phones are best used by people who have both the skills and time to regularly - if not constantly - rebuild and tweak hidden and background settings always at some risk of bricking their several-hundred dollar device, and you see the iPhone as the proper choice for people who simply want something that works for their day-to-day use?
That's worse than what everyday users had to manage with DOS or in the early days of Linux or Windows 95. At least with those, your hardware wasn't (usually) at risk.
Is there no solution for those in the middle who want something that works day-to-day and allows them some freedom to make minor changes like block ads and install "unapproved" apps? Are they simply out of luck?
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Unfortunately, it's shaping out that way. And it's only getting worse as time goes on and the fragments march in their separate directions. When there's 20 different fundamental ROMS (Sense, TouvhWiz, all the variations and so on), and 4000 different phones it becomes increasingly difficult to provide a consistent quality experience.
The worst part being I don't see a way out for Google or a light at the end of the tunnel for consumers short of starting over, which presents more problems than it solves.
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If you want stability, I'd recommend Firefly or Andromeda. They are both older and are Froyo builds, but ultra stable.
And I concur the out of the box Cappy 2.1 build was unusable...it's how I ended up here at xda! Unlike you however, I found that I do like tweaking my phone, and I've done some amount of that...not without peaks and valleys, but I currently really enjoy the Mosaic ROM with Semaphore JVZ kernel.
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Thanks for the suggestions.
Actually, I think tweaking can be fun sometimes, but between work, family, house, etc. I'm usually stumbling through on 5 hours of sleep a night as it is (good thing I don't drive to work!). I simply don't have time to tweak, and I definitely can't be without a phone for a day or two.
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Unfortunately, it's shaping out that way. And it's only getting worse as time goes on and the fragments march in their separate directions. When there's 20 different fundamental ROMS (Sense, TouvhWiz, all the variations and so on), and 4000 different phones it becomes increasingly difficult to provide a consistent quality experience.
The worst part being I don't see a way out for Google or a light at the end of the tunnel for consumers short of starting over, which presents more problems than it solves.
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That's the sense I was getting, but when I would express it to anyone I know in meat-space, they just rolled their eyes and called me crazy. I started this thread with the optimistic hope that I was simply missing something.
It's good to know at least that I'm not alone in my thinking.
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KK4 seems to be the final update and source code is out so things are about to get real good.
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This is my hope.
I have had Cognition 5 on my phone since it was released. It has been the ultimate experience for me. Stable, GREAT battery life, awesome response, etc. It is the Plain Jane of ROMs and I won't use anything else.
at least not until a stable, working version of ICS is out. I've recently got my hands on a free captivate and have been using it as a testbed for ICS. Once I am satisfied, I will flash my everyday use Cappy to ICS and be done with flashing on this phone until I can upgrade this summer.
Im in your boat somewhat. I want all features of the device to work and I dont want reboots etc. Stability is critical.
For Froyo, Firefy 3.0 ROM gave up uptimes of 7-8 days without issue. I only rebooted once battery ran out.
GB ROMs Ive tried are all more unstable, but I have been on Illuminance 3.01 for over a week now and its running quite good. I reboot often though as I swap batteries, so I cant speak to up time but it goes over a day easily. Im using the ICS theme with it so it feels like I have a new device also.
Now that we have KK4 source I think we will see stability improve even more.
I see too many problems with the ICS builds so far but they are alpha afterall. Impressive progress from the devs working on it however!
Eventually my idea is to take the best of all the leaks and make a rock solid stable hybrid rom. Though most devs, including myself, try to cater to the masses. It seems what you are looking for isn't very popular. Most want more and better in their roms, i've tried both and still not overly successful at either. But it doesn't stop me from trying to create the best of both worlds. A solid stable rom with nice features, that doesn't deteriorate in performance over time. Hopefully a hybrid rom will solve a lot of issues we all face with the cappy.
The thing the iphone has going for it is the fact it is one manufacturer, apple. All the iphones are the same, same processor, same hardware, same specs, same, same, same. It makes it easy to have a tight knit development for the phone, so it is less prone to issues. But because of this tight, closed architecture, you don't have allot of choices as far as styles and hardware. Android and Windows, on the other hand, have multiple manufacturers and many choices of processors, hardware and styles to choose from. So it is much more difficult for Google and phone manufacturing developers to cater to all of the different phones and have each one run flawlessly. The same holds true for Linux and Windows with PC's. But I think the cappy has some of the best developers on XDA making great ROMs for it and these ROMs don't necessarily cater to hobbyists, they cater to captivate users in general.
Sometimes good things come to those who wait...
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In my own opinion, I think one of the best ROM's out there, and quite frankly possibly the most stable I've run to date is Phoenix Unleashed. It's Froyo JS8, and was the last of the 2.2 ROM's Adam put out. It was a ROM I would absolutely go to IF I ever got tired of flashing ROM's(don't really see that happening) and wanted to just have a phone that worked and worked well.
I'm too busy now playing with ICS.......but that is a story for another day
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In my own opinion, I think one of the best ROM's out there, and quite frankly possibly the most stable I've run to date is Phoenix Unleashed. It's Froyo JS8, and was the last of the 2.2 ROM's Adam put out. It was a ROM I would absolutely go to IF I ever got tired of flashing ROM's(don't really see that happening) and wanted to just have a phone that worked and worked well.
I'm too busy now playing with ICS.......but that is a story for another day
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I think there's something to that. Serendipity 6 was JS8 if I remember correctly.
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I think there's something to that. Serendipity 6 was JS8 if I remember correctly.
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By the way, no offence Mikey, I'm not in any way trying to imply that your ROM's are inferior, I just spent a TON of time with the Phoenix ROM's so my opinion comes from that alone
Hello everyone, my first thread for this phone, used to be a Galaxy Ace user, now I have this great phone. As of now, I'm stuck at a branded fw (JVG OMN) because I'm a little afraid of losing warranty. It's weird because I used to flash my Ace like hell. Now I can't even help rooting SGS.
Anyway, I'll eventually come around at flashing some rom, there are so many of them. Hence I'd like some suggestions. My main concerns are:
1. Battery durability @ 3G (browsing the net 5hr per day at most)
2. In-call quality (no random reboots plz)
3. GPS reliability (no battery hog, if possible)
4. ICS (is it too early?)
I know you've all been asked for this before, but I'm not asking for miracles, I can understand the limits of undergoing development. I would like a sincere suggestion.
Try GB ROMS for now
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Hello everyone, my first thread for this phone, used to be a Galaxy Ace user, now I have this great phone. As of now, I'm stuck at a branded fw (JVG OMN) because I'm a little afraid of losing warranty. It's weird because I used to flash my Ace like hell. Now I can't even help rooting SGS.
Anyway, I'll eventually come around at flashing some rom, there are so many of them. Hence I'd like some suggestions. My main concerns are:
1. Battery durability @ 3G (browsing the net 5hr per day at most)
2. In-call quality (no random reboots plz)
3. GPS reliability (no battery hog, if possible)
4. ICS (is it too early?)
I know you've all been asked for this before, but I'm not asking for miracles, I can understand the limits of undergoing development. I would like a sincere suggestion.
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With the conditions you have placed i dont think any ICS ROM can live up to that expectation GB ROMS.
Amestris ROM has the best battery life. I have never faced any issue with calls or GPS.
MIUI ROMS are superb option if u hate SAMSUNG touchwiz . They will give u iphone feel on android
If you too eager to test then try ICS ROMs. Battery life and performance wont be that good. But within months everything will fall in its place
ALL THE BEST ..
Thank you. I was expecting the fact that ICS still can't live up to my expectations, and I have no problem waiting for some perfect release. I was just wondering if that day will ever come, seen that many phones (some of which nowhere nearly as good as sgs) are getting smooth ics working. I put all my trust in our devs.
As for Amestris, I really do not dig themed interfaces. I prefer to get a rom as clean as possible and do my own theming when i feel ok about it. But probably it's just me.
I'm ok with touchwiz but I do like MIUI...I just can't understand whether it's been optimized for our device (i mean, everything works as good as in stock? or better?!).
I`ve been using the cm9 beta by pawitp(team hacksung cm9 beta) for months now and not had any of the issues that concern you and as of yesterday the i9000 is in the nightly builds of cyanogen mod 9 and this awsome ics rom will only get better....get rooting and flashing again , you know you want to!!!
I also place a lot of emphasis on stability, have been using the ICSSGS rom and haven't had any random reboots yet (2 weeks?)
I would like to know about latest CM9 nightly...is it worth it?
And also, some say that SlimICS is the best out here because "for the Galaxy S, the limiting factor in running ICS smoothly is none other than ram". Is this true?
I tried several custom ROM's amd at the moment I would say that the best, I mean the fastest and the most stable are ROM's made by BHuvan goyal. The latest INFINITUM with default kernel would be good for you. I've noticed that the battery life is not shorter than on gb so you would be really satisfied.