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Can anyone tell me whether the Sirius/XM app works on the modded Nook Color (either Froyo and/or Honeycomb)?
I have an Elocity A7 (rooted) running Froyo and am thinking about returning it. The hardware is awesome (Tegra/Nvidia) but the community for the Nook seems to be more active and Elocity already has a new line coming out and they are claiming Honeycomb won't be supported on the A7 due to hardware limitations (ie - Multitouch).
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JR
OK so it seems we are getting a new version 1.4.
what do we know.......
Well it seems both Nook Tablet and Nook Color are getting 1.4.
Would that mean that it could be based on something higher than Froyo.
Since B&N is marketing theit new product as a tablet that could probably link to a tablet os for both devices.
Maybe...
How does 1.4 effect...
While the news sites are touting the new "stuff" in NC 1.4, how will this effect those of us with Rooted NC's? ( remeber the problem the 1.3 upgrade had )
I look forward to some of the new apps, mostly the HuluPlus app... I wonder if that means they will be unblocking regular Hulu from us too?
Tom
Proud user of a rooted NC ( manual nooter )
tomsheeley said:
While the news sites are touting the new "stuff" in NC 1.4, how will this effect those of us with Rooted NC's? ( remeber the problem the 1.3 upgrade had )
I look forward to some of the new apps, mostly the HuluPlus app... I wonder if that means they will be unblocking regular Hulu from us too?
Tom
Proud user of a rooted NC ( manual nooter )
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I would say to hold off on updating if you can until xda either gives the go-ahead or has a procedure to follow.
As for Hulu -- I would assume regular Hulu will still be blocked, unfortunately. They seem to have a stance that everything but a PC is a mobile device and subject to different rules.
No idea about whether its going to be gingerbread.
The update is not out and wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't until nooktablet launch. The 1.1 update for the simple touch is out.
From what I can tell, there is going to be some sort of 'account management' app so you can handle gift cards and credit cards without the need of the browser. Netflix will be available as a download from the press quotes I'm seeing.
Does gingerbread give any DRM security that froyo doesn't? Because that might be the only reason why it would get bumped up to a new andoird version, to appease Hulu and Netflix (and their evil masters)
i think the most interesting thing is wether they updated the kernel version.....
I'm impressed with B&N's support of the NC. You don't see this many updates on phones.
It is easier to update a device if you don't have a third party in between the developers and the users (i.e. cellular carriers)
Good news is that it does actually apear to be Gingerbread, on the other hand BN decided to delay it until December.
And the delay appears to be a marketing decision, according to what people are saying on the bn forums.
Thanks for the advice, but how can I stop the update until XDA has help for us?
I have a cousin who works with B&N, and he says that they are rushing to get the 3.0 kernel on the NC to accompany their locked-down skin. He says that there are some incompatabiliies, but that they have made progress. What are your thoughts? Is he crazy? Are we ever going to get a proper ICS OTA?
If B&N drops 3.0 kernel source for the Nook Color, the devs here will be quite happy because the current old kernel is the major impediment to ICS on Nook Color.
You sure they aren't doing this just for the Nook Tablet?
3.x is honey comb, not ICS. They'll prolly skip that all-together.
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3.x is honey comb, not ICS. They'll prolly skip that all-together.
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Talking about the linux kernel.
It makes little sense to me for them to update the core Android OS and Linux kernel if their reader, custom apps, and the apps in their store work fine with Froyo. But if they're going to keep selling the NC as the budget media tablet model for a while longer then a more up-to-date Android version makes sense in avoiding any possible compatibility issues down the road that could prevent them from seamlessly bringing the latest and best versions of Android apps across to the B&N market. Their separate B&N market wouldn't be very sustainable or a good selling feature if they had to only offer older versions and/or ask developers to add backporting compatability fixes for a two year old version of Android. Then again, that's just a lot of speculating on my part
I don't have hope for that, in fact, I doubt it.
They just released v.1.4.1 and it still is Froyo, I don't think they implement ICS for NC.
I could actually see them doing this just so that it will be easier for devs to convert their already tablet friendly ICS apps for the BN market.
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I would think they would like to keep the operating environment the same across units (if possible). This will cause less customer confusion/dissatisfaction and fewer support issues. Apple IOS is a good example of this IMO.
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I would think they would like to keep the operating environment the same across units (if possible). This will cause less customer confusion/dissatisfaction and fewer support issues. Apple IOS is a good example of this IMO.
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Apple allows old devices to upgrade to newer iOS versions (my gf's 3g is running iOS 5). They just cripple the features they don't want those devices to have (siri, folders, etc). Apple's relative lack of issues comes from controlling the hardware (no powerVR, tegra, qualcomm incompatibilities, short driver list), OS (no carrier or manufacturer modifications) and app store (too many bugs and your app is gone).
I doubt B&N would drop the full functionality of ICS on their customers (especially when they've fenced them in from froyo). ICS would open the door to tablet-centric apps which would help them compete with Amazon. It will most definitely come to the Tablet but I wouldn't expect it to come to the Color (since they need to differentiate the models to justify the price difference).
Would be great if they did release it, but lets face the truth, its unlikely.
If you guys want ICS your best bet is buying dalingrin and / or fattire a beer.
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Would be great if they did release it, but lets face the truth, its unlikely.
If you guys want ICS your best bet is buying dalingrin and / or fattire a beer.
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Maybe true, but if this works it would certainly give dalingrin and fattire some help with the issues they're having, not to mention speed up the entire process.
Limvot said:
Maybe true, but if this works it would certainly give dalingrin and fattire some help with the issues they're having, not to mention speed up the entire process.
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If what works? I'd love to have official ICS on my NC, but as others have said, they're still using a fluffy coating on Froyo. No GB and no HC means ICS is highly unlikely.
Now what would be very nice would be an updated kernel, as well as some direct contact with B&N techs about drivers for the chipset and other hardware. But I find that to be unlikely.
The newer Nook Tablet is based on Gingerbread, isn't it? Perhaps they're working on this first and foremost to crank out a third future device that supports APIs from ICS such as fragments. The updated code would then trickle down to Nook Tablet and possibly eventually NC.
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zombieflanders said:
If what works? I'd love to have official ICS on my NC, but as others have said, they're still using a fluffy coating on Froyo. No GB and no HC means ICS is highly unlikely.
Now what would be very nice would be an updated kernel, as well as some direct contact with B&N techs about drivers for the chipset and other hardware. But I find that to be unlikely.
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No HC doesn't mean anything as it was not open source... This is not completely unthinkable. Remember the NC was on 2.1 before the 1.2 release where they upped it to 2.2.
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votinh said:
I don't have hope for that, in fact, I doubt it.
They just released v.1.4.1 and it still is Froyo, I don't think they implement ICS for NC.
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Of course, 1.4.1 came out just before ICS source was released, so maybe B&N figured they do a quick patch of the existing ROM, rather than go through all the work to do a rebuild on GB and then to ICS...
any news/rumors about this?
speedfreak007 said:
any news/rumors about this?
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Other than slow but steady progress on the CM9 build (and no new releases for now), no.
traumadog said:
Of course, 1.4.1 came out just before ICS source was released, so maybe B&N figured they do a quick patch of the existing ROM, rather than go through all the work to do a rebuild on GB and then to ICS...
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You have more faith in the B&N corporate staff than I do, but your optimism may be warranted, given that the NT doesn't seem to be totally ignored by the press in the same way the NC was.
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... You have more faith in the B&N corporate staff than I do, but your optimism may be warranted, given that the NT doesn't seem to be totally ignored by the press in the same way the NC was.
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I wonder how much other integration B&N is looking for with other content providers to match what Amazon is doing. I would think upgrading to ICS would make some business sense, in that with a fresher underlying OS, you might be able to keep app developers in the fold working on the NT.
cmstlist said:
The newer Nook Tablet is based on Gingerbread, isn't it? Perhaps they're working on this first and foremost to crank out a third future device that supports APIs from ICS such as fragments. The updated code would then trickle down to Nook Tablet and possibly eventually NC.
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From what I understand... The new Nook Tablet has a locked bootloader, more or less precluding it from easy rom replacement.
Though, perhaps I have been misinformed.
Yoinx said:
From what I understand... The new Nook Tablet has a locked bootloader, more or less precluding it from easy rom replacement.
Though, perhaps I have been misinformed.
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Difficult if not impossible for 3rd parties providing roms but not for B&N. They have the security keys allowing them to provide whatever rom they choose within the hardware limits.
After receiving a shiny used Nook Color from Ebay, I immediately flashed the latest daily of CM9 (ICE) to EMMC and played around with it for a while. I installed several "tablet" apps from the Market, and I was very impressed by the formatting and presentation.
Unfortunately, performance was marginal at best, so I decided to flash the "official stable" version of CM7. I installed the same tablet apps as before and noticed that they were not displaying in "tablet mode". Landscape, yes, but not tablet-formatted.
For example, running Pocket Informant in landscape mode in CM9 provides a nice graphical notebook-like format, but CM7 displays the same as a simple landscape calendar, much like on my DROID Bionic.
So from this, I conclude that CM9 is a "real" tablet OS, while CM7 presents the Nook Color to the apps not as a tablet but as a high-resolution phone. Can anyone else confirm this? I absolutely LOVE the performance of CM7--it really flies and is very responsive--but long for the true "tablet" functionality of CM9.
That said, I'd love some input about how landscape mode works on the OS you have installed, and what "tablet-mode" apps actually render as a tablet.
1. What version of the OS are you running?
2. What "tablet" apps are you running?
3. Of those "tablet" apps you are running, what actually render as "tablet" apps?
Thanks!
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So from this, I conclude that CM9 is a "real" tablet OS, while CM7 presents the Nook Color to the apps not as a tablet but as a high-resolution phone. Can anyone else confirm this?!
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Yes, that is 100% correct. CM7 is based on Android 2.x and CM9 is based on Android 4.x. Android 2.x was designed for phones, Android 3.x was the first version to be designed with tablets in mind (and only tablets; phone functionality was stripped out), and Android 4.x folded both capabilities back into a single OS version. Because of the rush-job Google did in order to release Android 3.0 to compete with the iPad they didn't release the source code, which means it couldn't be properly ported over to the Nook Color or other Android tablets that were built with Android 2.x. However, they did release the full source code for 4.x in November which means this is the first time we have the source code for a version of Android actually designed for tablets
Because of these differences many apps have been built to require Android 3.x or higher (which includes CM9) in order to show the tablet layout. Maybe some of those are arbitrary but I'm sure others are taking advantage of system calls and/or UI calls that have only been added to the API since Android 3.x
Wait for the new hardware accelerated build fattire & co. work on right now.
It should be able to speed up things quite a bit thanks to a new SGX driver release.
It's still really early in the game. There's only one official ICS tablet out there - the Asus Transformer Prime. People were expecting many more ICS tablet announcements at CES a few weeks ago - didn't happen. I expect it's because ICS is based off of Honeycomb which didn't exactly set the world on fire and wasn't a big draw for app developers. But now that the ICS is going to be a joint phone/tablet OS - it should spark developers to greater heights. I also think the 7" form factor is going to be more and more popular also... and apps will be developed accordingly. Reader apps like Kindle look great on the nook because they were developed for the smaller form factors... others should follow suit.
Only a few games built for phone (Monopoly and some dice game the kids play are the ones that come to mind) don't render properly on the NC (running CM9). Otherwise, there are a few that won't do landscape (some of the ESPN and some cookbook apps), but I've had good luck otherwise.
Huh - Monopoly runs fine on my emmc install of the latest 2/2 nightly - and it did on the others as well...
I was playing with X-Plane on CM7 with great success. Can't wait to see if it works on the 2/2 nightly.
I agree with the OP. As I am currently going back and forth between cm7 and cm9 the apps are not responding in the same way. Perfect example is gmail. Love the interface on ICS! However, it's just not the same experience on cm7. Google's Currents is the same on both. Google Docs (the newly updated version) seems to work the same on the both as well.
Jim Barr said:
After receiving a shiny used Nook Color from Ebay, I immediately flashed the latest daily of CM9 (ICE) to EMMC and played around with it for a while. I installed several "tablet" apps from the Market, and I was very impressed by the formatting and presentation.
Unfortunately, performance was marginal at best, so I decided to flash the "official stable" version of CM7. I installed the same tablet apps as before and noticed that they were not displaying in "tablet mode". Landscape, yes, but not tablet-formatted.
For example, running Pocket Informant in landscape mode in CM9 provides a nice graphical notebook-like format, but CM7 displays the same as a simple landscape calendar, much like on my DROID Bionic.
So from this, I conclude that CM9 is a "real" tablet OS, while CM7 presents the Nook Color to the apps not as a tablet but as a high-resolution phone. Can anyone else confirm this? I absolutely LOVE the performance of CM7--it really flies and is very responsive--but long for the true "tablet" functionality of CM9.
That said, I'd love some input about how landscape mode works on the OS you have installed, and what "tablet-mode" apps actually render as a tablet.
1. What version of the OS are you running?
2. What "tablet" apps are you running?
3. Of those "tablet" apps you are running, what actually render as "tablet" apps?
Thanks!
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AFAIK Tablet mode only exists for honeycomb and newer. Any Android device on a 2.x build is seen as a handset.
That should explain what you are seeing
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Sam Adams said:
It's still really early in the game. There's only one official ICS tablet out there - the Asus Transformer Prime. People were expecting many more ICS tablet announcements at CES a few weeks ago - didn't happen. I expect it's because ICS is based off of Honeycomb which didn't exactly set the world on fire and wasn't a big draw for app developers. But now that the ICS is going to be a joint phone/tablet OS - it should spark developers to greater heights. I also think the 7" form factor is going to be more and more popular also... and apps will be developed accordingly. Reader apps like Kindle look great on the nook because they were developed for the smaller form factors... others should follow suit.
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I never used early builds of Honeycomb, but the version on my wife's transformer is great. Granted I prefer ICS on my transformer prime... but the versions (which I assume are more stable and way less buggy) of honeycomb out now seem really good
I had a nice chat with B&N. The new Nook Tablet 10.1" will probably getting Android 9.0 (Pie) in the future (they were not too sure though). And the same for our Nook HD & Nook HD+ (but not Android 9.0 (Pie)).
" secretwolf98: Will it be getting the Android P (Android 9.0) update in the future? Or no?
B&N: Let me check it for you.
B&N: As of the moment, there is no assurance for that upgrade.
B&N: It is not yet determined.
secretwolf98: And one last question,
B&N: Sure.
secretwolf98: Will the Nook HD and the Nook HD+ being getting anymore updates in the future? or was the last update the last update?
B&N: It might have an update in the future."
Any questions? Don't be afraid to ask me.
Mmm....we interpret that conversation a little differently.
In any case, the main reason my husband finally gave in to flashing a new OS on his HD was that even after a minimal rooting we had no way to stop B&N repeatedly pushing the apps that came with it (most of which he did not want/use and had therefore uninstalled) and eventually there was very little space for apps that he actually did want. It was like he was renting or leasing the tablet and at the mercy of the provider.
So...it might be nice, but maybe not nice enough to pry him away from an occasionally cranky CM 13 install, unless B&N changes its model of how an owner can determine what apps will be installed and which will be deleted.
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Although I would love to think B&N will release an update for the HD/HD+ line, I don't see them doing that. The device is too old for them to invest any more time into it. Adding TLS 1.2 support was great, but it's beyond its support life for any new features.
As for the future with the new Nook10.1, it currently supports Oreo/8.1, and I'd be surprised if they actually update it to Pie/9 support. Most of the times these tablet vendors update their custom ROM, it's to fix bugs in the current OS version, not upgrade to a new OS.