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Is 192 RAM a not enough?

I am planning on buying a HTC G1, but after I read that there is only 192mb RAM I decided to wait.
I have a few questions:
1. Can you make a swapfile on the G1?
2. Would there be a big speed/stability difference with 192 and 256 RAM?
3. How does 2.0/2.1 run compared to 1.6?
I will be using this as a PDA, not a phone and will be doing lots of gaming and web browsing on it.
Thank you,
~moonscapex

Buy a Nexus......

I would, but I can't afford one

moonscapex said:
I would, but I can't afford one
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save up for one. Don't get a g1, it's already too outdated. save up and buy a good phone that'll last a while. By the time you have the money tucked away I'm sure you'll see phones even better than the nexus one.

Yes, I already have a high-end winmo PDA, so I am looking for a lower end Android phone.

I agree with others that say to get a different phone. I love my G1 to death, but there's no way I'd buy one today if I were in the market. It's just too limited.
That said, I'll try and answer your questions.
1. Yes, running swap is possible using a rooted phone and custom ROM. It's debated whether this actually helps any.
2. The 192 vs. 256 MB difference helps a great deal. There's just not a lot of memory left to run many apps and do much task switching on the newer iterations of the OS with only 192MB. The number of apps you can install is also limited by this number (unless you're running a rooted phone and installing apps to your SD card.)
3. On a G1, 2.0/2.1 is pretty slow. At this point I wouldn't use it as a daily use ROM.
The two functions you listed as your primary activities are the two things that the G1 does the worst. It's underpowered for a lot of games (not to mention the horrible battery life when you start playing games) and browsing the web can be a chore given the limited memory and CPU. It works great for basic things like email, maps/navigation, music, productivity apps, but it's pretty slow for other stuff.

OK, thank you. That is the kind of answer I was looking for. I will look into some other phones.

The G1 is ideal for what your looking for. Man people love to drift off don't they

Yeah they do...
Has anyone else tried Android 2.1 on their G1?

If you root it, in addition to the debatable swapping to the SD for more ram and cache, you can overclock the things. Probably a bit hard on your battery and might generate unacceptable heat, don't know. You might just get it up to 2/3's to 3/4th's the speed of a Nexus for the cost of a bigger battery. Maybe then you could run 2.1 effectively. Who knows.
I'd buy it used. They go for about $175 on ebay unlocked. If you screw it up you've not lost that much. You can resell your broken one on ebay for about $75
Regards, PK

Overall the G1 for me has just been fun to root and flash multiple roms. =P Some roms are moderately fast, but are limited to games as we have no video drivers

Thanks for the good answers. So the Open GL drivers are not available on the G1? And how easy is it to brick a G1. Ive flashed many roms on winmo with no problem.
EDIT: Yes I will overclock. Are the Vid drivers available on the Magic?

moonscapex said:
Thanks for the good answers. So the Open GL drivers are not available on the G1? And how easy is it to brick a G1. Ive flashed many roms on winmo with no problem.
EDIT: Yes I will overclock. Are the Vid drivers available on the Magic?
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Yeah they are

Personally
I preordered a G1... rooted it early in the beginnings of Haykuro and JF... and 16 months later I still say there isnt a replacement... I got a full upgrade and I still havent taken advantage... The N1 is nice, if you can live wo the hard keyboard... If you want a low end android, the G1 is a good starter phone...
I run both 2.1 and 1.6 roms.. The 1.6 roms are really fast, The 2.1 roms are worth having on your phone to show off... I can stream music on 3G from 8am to about 230-3pm at work on either so batt life is fine either way on a normal day...
I dont know what kind of gaming you do, but my old school emulators do the trick nicely run on any rom and with the hard keyboard controls are great... I use a ram hack that removes the 3d accelerator for another 8mb of usable ram, so I cant comment on 3d games...
Bricking a G1 is almost impossible now with all the good tutorials... the G1 is the easiest to root, hack, flash, customize... all that in my own eyes... Ive brought noobs down the rabbit hole and now they are cookin up roms and themes like crazy...
I on the other hand still patiently wait for a new bigger better stronger phone (with a hard keyboard) to replace my G1 and I know it will not be in the low end android bracket..

protomanez said:
Overall the G1 for me has just been fun to root and flash multiple roms. =P Some roms are moderately fast, but are limited to games as we have no video drivers
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My setiments exactly. Hate to say it but it's just fun to see or learn somthing new.
Good thread for Android noobes.
Regards, PK

So far I'm convinced about the G1, thanks everybody. When I found out that the keyboard on the magic would not work with a stylus, and only your fingers, it made it obvious for me.
PS: Can you disable the RAM hack without reflashing?

moonscapex said:
So far I'm convinced about the G1, thanks everybody. When I found out that the keyboard on the magic would not work with a stylus, and only your fingers, it made it obvious for me.
PS: Can you disable the RAM hack without reflashing?
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Not really. You must replace the kernel, so it's basically just as complicated as reflashing.

I'ts simple.
Flash the boot.img and reboot.
All gone.
(and vice versa)
you wont loose any data or anything.

[Q] Samsung galaxy S I9000 Stock Android!!

Hello fellow Xda'ers! I have recently Sold my htc hd2 and I have decided to buy an Galaxy S I9000!!
Do you think this is a smart trade since i LOVE ANDROID, is there another device you could recommend?
Even if so,
Does anyone here know how to, or IF I can use Standard STock Android 2.1 OR 2.2
doesnt matter, I just want it to be Android stock...
Thanks and Please
Sincerely yours Aldin!

yes there are beta version of froyo already JF3

Currently can't use stock (but there is no reason why someone couldn't port get a fully stock rom working). A lot of us like this phone, some people don't. Some people prefer the Desire.
Current main problems people are having.
1) GPS is sketchy, but it does appear Samsung is fixing it. It is a good chipset (and the solution may be that they release a new backplate with a better antenna, because there is a jack for an external antenna). Or, it may be improved drivers. As of JM5, I have quickly tested mine and it is great, but haven't tested it properly yet.
2) "Lag". Some people are whinging that applications take too long to load, and some tasks lag. We KNOW the processor is awesome though, and we KNOW that the NAND chip is fast, so it's probably a configuration/software issue. Perhaps they simply need better caching in place. Also be aware, many people here are blowing the lag WAYYY out of proportion. Some people here will tell you their applications are lagging 10 secs, and that the lag killed their cat.
In JM5 and JG5, I tested it, and I could only get 3 secs lag max after running many apps. I later managed to increase that to perhaps 4. But later firmwares now seem to be quite immune to serious lag problems.
When it comes down to it though, your only way of knowing for sure whether it's the right phone for you, is to test them both.
However, you must be honest with yourself too. Anything to do with graphics is probably better on the Galaxy S (and the firmware is much more buggy still). But the HTC has a better experience at the moment. The Galaxy S also has a better screen, and a PROPER multitouch atmel controller, whereas most mobiles (including the nexus one) still use a hacked synaptics/single touch panel which can support multitouch (but doesn't actually do it properly, and it's easy to generate false ).
I wouldn't trade my Samsung Galaxy S though, even if I was offered full asking price. It really comes down to your needs. The Samsung might be the better long term solution (especially since Samsung are REALLY pushing it, which suggests they are serious about turning it mainstream), but the desire might be the better short term one.
It all comes down to your needs though, and patience. If you need fully accurate GPS right now, or are too impatient to wait 1 sec for an app to open, get the HTC desire. But, if you want a proper multitouch controller, MUCH faster GPU and better screen, Samsung Galaxy. At the end of the day, they are just mobile phones, you just need to go for it! I spent months wasting hours looking up reviews every week, and at the end, I just did it on a whim (had never even seen it in real life). The fact is, in actual real world use, the HTC desire is possibly a bit better for some people if they need accurate GPS for fitness and such (but ours will probably improve too with a bit of software improvements, or a new back case with a better antenna). Both have 802.11n, so you'll find that you can set your router to 802.11n mode only.
It's just a phone though. If you need a fashion accessory, the HTC legend might appeal to you. But as mentioned, what you need is everything.
Also, some people may complain about the build quality of the galaxy S (it uses a plastic back which snaps on). I'd say the build quality is fine (materials which are used doesn't mean a damn if your smartphone gets wet). In fact, I actually think its a pro point, because we can swap the back with a rubberdised one and simply get a screen protector/bumper. But yeah, nothing to worry about. The glass seems strong too.
Good luck.
alldino said:
Hello fellow Xda'ers! I have recently Sold my htc hd2 and I have decided to buy an Galaxy S I9000!!
Do you think this is a smart trade since i LOVE ANDROID, is there another device you could recommend?
Even if so,
Does anyone here know how to, or IF I can use Standard STock Android 2.1 OR 2.2
doesnt matter, I just want it to be Android stock...
Thanks and Please
Sincerely yours Aldin!
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Thanks so much for the quick answer!!! I have decided to get the galaxy s i9000!! Thank you so much for spending so much time writing and what a good page of information you gave me!! THANKS!

I confess I don't know so much about this, but what do you get if you compile the Eclair source released by Samsung (I assume it needs to be combined with AOSP)? Would that not give stock 2.1, since none of the TouchWiz apps are open source?
Perhaps a few drivers would be missing as they're only available as binaries, but we do have the binaries.

andrewluecke said:
2) "Lag". Some people are whinging that applications take too long to load, and some tasks lag. We KNOW the processor is awesome though, and we KNOW that the NAND chip is fast, so it's probably a configuration/software issue. Perhaps they simply need better caching in place. Also be aware, many people here are blowing the lag WAYYY out of proportion. Some people here will tell you their applications are lagging 10 secs, and that the lag killed their cat.
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10 seconds of lagg is not exaggerated. I even experienced a longer lagg.
Let''s say the lagg is only 4 seconds. I is annoying as hell if you you experience that 4 second lagg every 15 seconds while using your phone.
Ofcourse this all depends on what and how many applications you installed and are running.

Guys.. this is really the wrong forum.. This is Android development not Questions & Answers!
Please post your threads in the right sections!

When you have lags you can just use same lag fix... I don't know why you all complaining on lags when lag fixes makes this phone really fast. Othervise if you don't want to lose warranty than if you have enouth money take desire

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[Q] Is SGS the best Android phone yet?

Is SGS the best Android phone yet?

Yes
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Nexus S is probably better at this time..

Well, i have one, wich is bricked at the moment :-(.
When you are using its great, yes its the best, but SGS fails badly in one HUGE thing, at least for me, USB connection to PC, this is very, very bad and for me drops the score for SGS from 10/10 to like 8/10.
For a 600$ phone, USB connection should be perfect, ill go a lithe further and tell you that for that price you shouldnt have to be flashing firmwares and lag fixing your phone UNLESS you wanted too, that for me drops even more the score of SGS to like 6.5-7/10.
Ill tell you one thing, SGS2 is on the way, but ill think a LOT before buying it, ill make sure these basics things are ok in the SGS2, cause im very disapointed with SGS.

Guilherme.accorsi said:
Well, i have one, wich is bricked at the moment :-(.
When you are using its great, yes its the best, but SGS fails badly in one HUGE thing, at least for me, USB connection to PC, this is very, very bad and for me drops the score for SGS from 10/10 to like 8/10.
For a 600$ phone, USB connection should be perfect, ill go a lithe further and tell you that for that price you shouldnt have to be flashing firmwares and lag fixing your phone UNLESS you wanted too, that for me drops even more the score of SGS to like 6.5-7/10.
Ill tell you one thing, SGS2 is on the way, but ill think a LOT before buying it, ill make sure these basics things are ok in the SGS2, cause im very disapointed with SGS.
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Well with a Mac the USB connection is absolutely no problem. With Froyo 2.2.1 I've got no lag. In fact no complaints at all. Now an even bigger screen would be nice...

Rofa1 said:
Well with a Mac the USB connection is absolutely no problem. With Froyo 2.2.1 I've got no lag. In fact no complaints at all. Now an even bigger screen would be nice...
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Hi Rofa,
the thing is, you can't rate a equipment solo based on your experience, google for "SGS USB" and you'll see that a bunch of users have this problem and usb connection at least for me its a basic for a phone.

Generally if you have a USB problem its Drivers or your PC .
jje

JJEgan said:
Generally if you have a USB problem its Drivers or your PC .
jje
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Hi JJEgan, i tested my phone in 4 diferent computers, 3 different OS, with the samsung drivers, none of them recognized the phone.

I tested mine under vista. Works fine. I think its just you. But you are right a 700$ phone shouldnt have so many issues out the box.
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I haven't had USB issues with my phone before?
But then again i use dropbox for most small file transfers because i'm lazy..

nwsk said:
I haven't had USB issues with my phone before?
But then again i use dropbox for most small file transfers because i'm lazy..
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i use dropbox too, or used to use , but know that i need the usb to re-flash a rom it is giving me a ultra hard time

Guilherme.accorsi said:
Hi Rofa,
the thing is, you can't rate a equipment solo based on your experience, google for "SGS USB" and you'll see that a bunch of users have this problem and usb connection at least for me its a basic for a phone.
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LoL, that's a good one. I know a bunch of people who have SGS - not even one of them had any USB problems, I also haven't seen a lot of threads here on xda about the problem.
I never ever had problems with USB connection (did have with Kies, but that was Kies problem) and I had 5 different firmwares (no manual flashing, 2 upgrades over Kies and first two were done by service).
Maybe you have defected phone, I don't know, but I think you're a noob and don't know how to use your phone and pc or you've just fu*ked up something somewhere.

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LoL, that's a good one. I know a bunch of people who have SGS - not even one of them had any USB problems, I also haven't seen a lot of threads here on xda about the problem.
I never ever had problems with USB connection (did have with Kies, but that was Kies problem) and I had 5 different firmwares (no manual flashing, 2 upgrades over Kies and first two were done by service).
Maybe you have defected phone, I don't know, but I think you're a noob and don't know how to use your phone and pc or you've just fu*ked up something somewhere.
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Are you paid by Samsung to offend anyone that doesn't think their product is perfect ? or are you just a fanboy who can't stand the phone you use receiving critics, i couldn't care less for you "expertise", you are such an expert that had your firmware updated by service, i couldn't care less for about you think of me, if i am a noob or whatever you may think, you don't know me, so keep restricted at answering the post, not what you think of me.
Galaxy S do have problems out of the box, i have one, i like it, but im not blind to its negative points.

Guilherme.accorsi said:
Galaxy S do have problems out of the box, i have one, i like it, but im not blind to its negative points.
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Exactly. I have had my phone replaced because of a dead internal SD card. I have had lagging problems, but not as bad as some others have mentioned. My GPS works sporadically. Because of these problems I would have to say no. But, I haven't tried any other Android phones, so I don't know what others are like.
An expensive phone like this, or any phone with this hardware for that matter, should not have problems like this. A quality phone should have no major hardware problems.
I think that manufacturers can, at times, release a product that is not ready for prime time so that they can make the profit from that device. If they take the time to properly test it, they will not make as much money as fast.
Will I but another Samsung phone? I do not know, but I do know I will definitely look at others before I make my decision.
Ian

Usb problem?
Well that's very few that has and 99% of them has bad drivers installed.
There are a few bad sgs with different hardware foult and usb is one if them.
This is common on all hardware.
This is a advanced phone and it gas a few bugs like all other advanced phone. If you don't want them you need to buy a basic phone.
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mull54 said:
Is SGS the best Android phone yet?
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No, but it's better than the Nexus S. To my mind it just feels to cheaply made and plasticky

I agree that this phone is cheaply made, but design of this phone is realy cool I think and I never had problems with USB connection. I think it's feals cheep becous phone is wery light. But i think the price is rigth, becouse we get powerfull phone with Super amoled screen. Other phones has werry good built quality, they haven't SAMOLED and they are not so powerfull as SGS. Other phones has their + and -like SGS. And I have no lag at my SGS. It's not rooted and there is no any lag fix. I just managing running aplications in background. I think it's really good phone.
sorry for my bad english

Well i guess we must see the sgs on a different way.
On 2.1 it was laggy and things worked bad sometimes.
On 2.2 things got alot better.
On 2.2.1 things is very good. Not much lag and things works good.
You also get more memory.
The 2.2.1 version should be the first version that shipped with the sgs.
I think they rushed the release of it, but they all do that.
But the fact is that sgs is the best and the most powerful android phone today.
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The htc desire hd is very very cool, i had it for a short while and was very impressed, but due to gettin an upgrade soon i sent it back and am stickin with my galaxy s, i love this phone.
As someone stated earlier we shouldnt really need to be doin lagfixs and stuff like that, but with every phone does come a few problems, and its handy to have so many people helpin out and makin roms for us to enjoy, i have stock 2.2.1 and dont actually need a lagfix or anything.
Hopefully the galaxy s 2 will be bigger and better than this
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a rhetorical question......
i actually have one but i personally dont think it is...
id reccomend a google nexus

[Q] SGS vs Desire S? Which to get? HELP!

Hi, im writing for a friend as he wants some advice.
he is choosing between both these smartphones (No others - as he can't afford newer ones, i.e - sgs2)
He is in a dilemna between the both.. he prefably wants a larger screen + better colours. but the desire s is newer, has a slightly better cpu etc.
Which one is better? Will the SGS get updated to gingerbread and beyond?
Which has better battery life in general? Is the SGS still a good phone even though it is 1 year old?
Thanks for responses!

This is a galaxy forum, so the answer from here is obvious! ;p
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slaphead20 said:
This is a galaxy forum, so the answer from here is obvious! ;p
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yeh, haha i thought that would be the response. but perhaps some honest ppl who have had a sgs for a while can give my friend feedback on it and how the device is, whther it is worth it or the desire s.

If you are into rooting and running custom roms, then the sgs for definate
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slaphead20 said:
If you are into rooting and running custom roms, then the sgs for definate
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thanks! But what if you are not for the average user... is the sgs good out of the box? personally my sgs 2 is good out of the box.. what about this? thanks!

Sgs is naff outa the box, laggy n crap, but v good once tweaked
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Galaxy S, of course
You can already flash gingerbread and there are lots of custom roms.
Using cm7, it's blazing fast and you can overclock it up to 1.5Ghz with some kernels (but most phones can only reach 1.4Ghz or 1.44Ghz stable, which is still a 40%+ overclock)
So if you wanted a better cpu... well the cpu is a real beast. And you can't beat that screen.
Imo if you're not afraid to flash, the galaxy S is just awesome.
btw, the battery of the desire s is a little bit smaller than the one on the galaxy s, but I don't know about the battery life.
But yeah, the desire s might be better out of the box, since without lagfix the galaxy s isn't all that great...
The only advantage the desire s has other than that is more RAM.

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Sgs is naff outa the box, laggy n crap, but v good once tweaked
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thanks, what exactly is wrong with it out the box? i used a lot at stores and don't find this problem...?

koflem said:
Galaxy S, of course
You can already flash gingerbread and there are lots of custom roms.
Using cm7, it's blazing fast and you can overclock it up to 1.5Ghz with some kernels (but most phones can only reach 1.4Ghz or 1.44Ghz stable, which is still a 40%+ overclock)
So if you wanted a better cpu... well the cpu is a real beast. And you can't beat that screen.
Imo if you're not afraid to flash, the galaxy S is just awesome.
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Thanks! Will it get the official update too?

is it also true the Desire S supports 14.4 mb/s speed while the sgs is only 7.2mb/s...?
Will there be a great difference?

is this "friend" hypothetical ? lol
SGS will get Gingerbread officially yes, Some users have it official at the moment , dependant on the location in the world.
i too would suggest SGS, The desire is a good phone and i doubt your "friend" would be disappointed if they chose it.
BUT !!! as mentioned before the SGS is awesome when tweaked, loads of excellent developers making it even more awesome. and the screen..... its unbeatable
But as a conclusion, the SGS is a year old, why not get your "friend" to invest in an SGS2 ??

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is this "friend" hypothetical ? lol
SGS will get Gingerbread officially yes, Some users have it official at the moment , dependant on the location in the world.
i too would suggest SGS, The desire is a good phone and i doubt your "friend" would be disappointed if they chose it.
BUT !!! as mentioned before the SGS is awesome when tweaked, loads of excellent developers making it even more awesome. and the screen..... its unbeatable
But as a conclusion, the SGS is a year old, why not get your "friend" to invest in an SGS2 ??
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yeh ahah. cheers
My friend is very non-tech and is a n00b at modding he wants a phone now lol, he cant wait as he's going on a looong holiday soon and wants a good phone... it's his choice haha.
nice it has GB update! But i heard the sgs has bad gps problems.... :/ also the pro abt the sgs is it has 8gb storage > 1.1gb sotrage on the desire s..
Is a sgs non-tweaked out the box stable/good?

olyloh6696 said:
yeh ahah. cheers
My friend is very non-tech and is a n00b at modding he wants a phone now lol, he cant wait as he's going on a looong holiday soon and wants a good phone... it's his choice haha.
nice it has GB update! But i heard the sgs has bad gps problems.... :/ also the pro abt the sgs is it has 8gb storage > 1.1gb sotrage on the desire s..
Is a sgs non-tweaked out the box stable/good?
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GPS can be affected on a scale of things,
But there are countless threads / apps / tweaks to make it better, I personally dont have any GPS issues and never did when i was on a stock ROM.
if your friend is happy with a nice stable phone with many uses then a stock SGS will suit him fine.
however if he is like a lot of us android users and wants to hack the crap out of his SGS he will be jizzing in his pants .... lol
The sgs comes in a 16 GB version too.... and sd card upto 32GB so plenty and plenty of storage
EDIT: i was happy running stock ROMS - but i knew i could get more from my phone so i got involved with the wrong crowd, ended up becoming an addict and now i have withdrawal symptoms if i dont get my daily fix DAMN YOU XDA !!! lol

azzledazzle said:
GPS can be affected on a scale of things,
But there are countless threads / apps / tweaks to make it better, I personally dont have any GPS issues and never did when i was on a stock ROM.
if your friend is happy with a nice stable phone with many uses then a stock SGS will suit him fine.
however if he is like a lot of us android users and wants to hack the crap out of his SGS he will be jizzing in his pants .... lol
The sgs comes in a 16 GB version too.... and sd card upto 32GB so plenty and plenty of storage
EDIT: i was happy running stock ROMS - but i knew i could get more from my phone so i got involved with the wrong crowd, ended up becoming an addict and now i have withdrawal symptoms if i dont get my daily fix DAMN YOU XDA !!! lol
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Haha, thanks for the info mate, it's much appreciated!" i guess that could clear things up a bit for him! The only minor con in the gs is it has 512 ram which doesnt seem much compared to the desire s 768mb haha.. i also kind of get where your heading .
my tab is so damn laggy and i have been on the stock rom since i got it.. tempted to flash now..

unused RAM is wasted RAM.
take no notice of things like that, you will hear a lot about quadrant scores , RAM tweaks and so on.
if your phone feels fast for YOU thats all that matters, if you want a little extra speed then you can have it lol.
its all about finding the right balance for YOU, dont always panic about not having the newest ROM / Kernel / update and so on...
and by saying YOU - i mean your friend lol

azzledazzle said:
unused RAM is wasted RAM.
take no notice of things like that, you will hear a lot about quadrant scores , RAM tweaks and so on.
if your phone feels fast for YOU thats all that matters, if you want a little extra speed then you can have it lol.
its all about finding the right balance for YOU, dont always panic about not having the newest ROM / Kernel / update and so on...
and by saying YOU - i mean your friend lol
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thanks lol But why do lots of reviews say more RAM makes it smoother??? If it is just going to waste??
hopefully performance should be satisying enough

well its like RAM on a PC - it can make multi tasking smoother, but if you have 1GB of RAM and eveything you do uses 0.5GB of RAM, that extra is wasting away.
dont buy in to the hype of more is better, its not always the case, if it feels quick and responds quick, and that satisfies you, thats the main point.
Hell !! i would like a super computer with 10GB RAM - 5TB hard drive and so on... But my current PC does everything i want and it does it quick...... if ya catch my drift ?

azzledazzle said:
well its like RAM on a PC - it can make multi tasking smoother, but if you have 1GB of RAM and eveything you do uses 0.5GB of RAM, that extra is wasting away.
dont buy in to the hype of more is better, its not always the case, if it feels quick and responds quick, and that satisfies you, thats the main point.
Hell !! i would like a super computer with 10GB RAM - 5TB hard drive and so on... But my current PC does everything i want and it does it quick...... if ya catch my drift ?
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yeh, thanks haha!

Bump, still open to opinions believe it or not! he has 2 great offers for both devices.,.
will sgs still need 'fixes' after GB update?
cheers guys

As long as Samsung uses RFS as a file-system I believe it will always need a lagfix. I doubt they will ever get it right.
With every update people keep saying it's not required anymore, but when using a single ROM for more than 3 weeks it is imho.
I had XWJS3 for 4 weeks and it started lagging like hell.
So for average-users I tend to recommend HTC.

[Q] Can the Captivate be functional for non-hobbyists?

I don't want to make trouble, but I'm hoping there can be a dialog as to the viability of the Captivate as a long-term, stable cell phone.
Like probably everyone here, I found the ROM AT&T supplied for the Captivate to be practically (if not criminally) unusable even if I didn't care about my rights to do what I want with it (but I do). Thus I decided that I needed to flash it with something better.
Obviously, there are a lot of Captivate owners who work very hard (and presumably, enjoy) modifying and tweaking the Android system for their phone - and that's great - but I'm not one of them. I appreciate that people like to change the look of their <object> and that the latest-and-greatest functionality is an ever-moving target, but paramount to me for everything in my life is minimal maintenance.
I don't really care about flashy eye-candy and holiday color schemes if it is moderately consistent. I am not looking to squeeze the last 2% (or even 10%) of possible speed out of my phone, but I do want it to respond to my input within a few tenths of a second (faster w/ typing) unlike the stock ROM. I have to use a lock-code, so I don't give a fig about the number of lock screens. If I could flash my phone and never have a need (note: not desire) to do it again, that would be fantastic. If I have to re-flash it once every 6 months and don't need to (re)read long (long!) meandering threads with cryptic and often conflicting and (possibly - how to tell?) outdated information, I could live with that.
Basically, it seems like I have to choose between a fixed, official ROM that sucks, or a sea of ever-changing ROMs with stability problems and a lot of focus on look-and-feel.
I'm not here crying about not having the perfect phone experience, rather I'm interested in the opinion of you here, "in the know", as to whether there exists a Captivate ROM that is stable in both the short-term (little to no crashes or unplanned reboots) and in the long term (will function similarly for months when not tweaked beyond what say, TiBu or AdAway would do).
This is something I've been wondering for months now (as my Serendipidy ROM grew ever-more unstable), but it has come to a head now because my wife is insisting that I encounter so many problems with my Cappy (currently experiencing various problems with Serenity) that I need to get a new phone (and it should be an iPhone like hers). I am as jealous at her stability, battery life and lack of problems as I am loathe to sell my soul to live in the walled garden with the iDevil.
If the world of smart phones is really a choice among the walled garden, the astro-turfed basement and the slopes of a volcano in the jungle, then I will have to accept that and choose my fate. If the problem is Samsung/AT&T and Android is simply ambrosia on some other device/carrier (as my colleague claims), then I would love to know that too.
Sorry for the dissertation and thanks for the thoughts.

teknowledgist said:
I don't want to make trouble, but I'm hoping there can be a dialog as to the viability of the Captivate as a long-term, stable cell phone.
Like probably everyone here, I found the ROM AT&T supplied for the Captivate to be practically (if not criminally) unusable even if I didn't care about my rights to do what I want with it (but I do). Thus I decided that I needed to flash it with something better.
Obviously, there are a lot of Captivate owners who work very hard (and presumably, enjoy) modifying and tweaking the Android system for their phone - and that's great - but I'm not one of them. I appreciate that people like to change the look of their <object> and that the latest-and-greatest functionality is an ever-moving target, but paramount to me for everything in my life is minimal maintenance.
I don't really care about flashy eye-candy and holiday color schemes if it is moderately consistent. I am not looking to squeeze the last 2% (or even 10%) of possible speed out of my phone, but I do want it to respond to my input within a few tenths of a second (faster w/ typing) unlike the stock ROM. I have to use a lock-code, so I don't give a fig about the number of lock screens. If I could flash my phone and never have a need (note: not desire) to do it again, that would be fantastic. If I have to re-flash it once every 6 months and don't need to (re)read long (long!) meandering threads with cryptic and often conflicting and (possibly - how to tell?) outdated information, I could live with that.
Basically, it seems like I have to choose between a fixed, official ROM that sucks, or a sea of ever-changing ROMs with stability problems and a lot of focus on look-and-feel.
I'm not here crying about not having the perfect phone experience, rather I'm interested in the opinion of you here, "in the know", as to whether there exists a Captivate ROM that is stable in both the short-term (little to no crashes or unplanned reboots) and in the long term (will function similarly for months when not tweaked beyond what say, TiBu or AdAway would do).
This is something I've been wondering for months now (as my Serendipidy ROM grew ever-more unstable), but it has come to a head now because my wife is insisting that I encounter so many problems with my Cappy (currently experiencing various problems with Serenity) that I need to get a new phone (and it should be an iPhone like hers). I am as jealous at her stability, battery life and lack of problems as I am loathe to sell my soul to live in the walled garden with the iDevil.
If the world of smart phones is really a choice among the walled garden, the astro-turfed basement and the slopes of a volcano in the jungle, then I will have to accept that and choose my fate. If the problem is Samsung/AT&T and Android is simply ambrosia on some other device/carrier (as my colleague claims), then I would love to know that too.
Sorry for the dissertation and thanks for the thoughts.
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......so get an iPhone then........
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I bought my wife a 4gs on launch day, and its smooth but not without a few faults. The amount of repeat info here can turn into a maze of discouragement, but I think just a little more effort might yield the results you want. I'm currently running mosaic 8 with the latest semiphore kernel and its very stable to say the least.
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KK4 seems to be the final update and source code is out so things are about to get real good. There are 5-6 real nice stable roms out right now. Take the time to find one you like and stick with it.
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Wdustin1 said:
......so get an iPhone then........
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So, your view is that the Captivate and/or Android phones are best used by people who have both the skills and time to regularly - if not constantly - rebuild and tweak hidden and background settings always at some risk of bricking their several-hundred dollar device, and you see the iPhone as the proper choice for people who simply want something that works for their day-to-day use?
That's worse than what everyday users had to manage with DOS or in the early days of Linux or Windows 95. At least with those, your hardware wasn't (usually) at risk.
Is there no solution for those in the middle who want something that works day-to-day and allows them some freedom to make minor changes like block ads and install "unapproved" apps? Are they simply out of luck?

teknowledgist said:
I don't want to make trouble, but I'm hoping there can be a dialog as to the viability of the Captivate as a long-term, stable cell phone.
Like probably everyone here, I found the ROM AT&T supplied for the Captivate to be practically (if not criminally) unusable even if I didn't care about my rights to do what I want with it (but I do). Thus I decided that I needed to flash it with something better.
Obviously, there are a lot of Captivate owners who work very hard (and presumably, enjoy) modifying and tweaking the Android system for their phone - and that's great - but I'm not one of them. I appreciate that people like to change the look of their <object> and that the latest-and-greatest functionality is an ever-moving target, but paramount to me for everything in my life is minimal maintenance.
I don't really care about flashy eye-candy and holiday color schemes if it is moderately consistent. I am not looking to squeeze the last 2% (or even 10%) of possible speed out of my phone, but I do want it to respond to my input within a few tenths of a second (faster w/ typing) unlike the stock ROM. I have to use a lock-code, so I don't give a fig about the number of lock screens. If I could flash my phone and never have a need (note: not desire) to do it again, that would be fantastic. If I have to re-flash it once every 6 months and don't need to (re)read long (long!) meandering threads with cryptic and often conflicting and (possibly - how to tell?) outdated information, I could live with that.
Basically, it seems like I have to choose between a fixed, official ROM that sucks, or a sea of ever-changing ROMs with stability problems and a lot of focus on look-and-feel.
I'm not here crying about not having the perfect phone experience, rather I'm interested in the opinion of you here, "in the know", as to whether there exists a Captivate ROM that is stable in both the short-term (little to no crashes or unplanned reboots) and in the long term (will function similarly for months when not tweaked beyond what say, TiBu or AdAway would do).
This is something I've been wondering for months now (as my Serendipidy ROM grew ever-more unstable), but it has come to a head now because my wife is insisting that I encounter so many problems with my Cappy (currently experiencing various problems with Serenity) that I need to get a new phone (and it should be an iPhone like hers). I am as jealous at her stability, battery life and lack of problems as I am loathe to sell my soul to live in the walled garden with the iDevil.
If the world of smart phones is really a choice among the walled garden, the astro-turfed basement and the slopes of a volcano in the jungle, then I will have to accept that and choose my fate. If the problem is Samsung/AT&T and Android is simply ambrosia on some other device/carrier (as my colleague claims), then I would love to know that too.
Sorry for the dissertation and thanks for the thoughts.
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Cm7. Wipe data factory reset again after flashing, let it sit for 10 mins after first boot but before you sign in.
My vibrant was perfectly stable that way.
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MIUI, great fast ROM. All you have to do is flash the small update every week and everything stays the same. You don't loose data!
If you don't feel like doing the update every single week just skip a few here and there. Or got the latest Gingerbread leak(KK4) and use it. It is stable, has great battery life, and pretty fast, but still can't compare to MIUI/CM7 speeds!

I'm not sure what you mean by stock AT&T ROM being no good. I've used a Captivate that had the official AT&T stock 2.2 on it, and it was pretty darn good. I then loaded the "stock" AT&T gingerbread leak on it, and it was even better. Almost no lag at all, GPS worked great, and battery life was excellent. I think you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.

derek4484 said:
I'm not sure what you mean by stock AT&T ROM being no good. I've used a Captivate that had the official AT&T stock 2.2 on it, and it was pretty darn good. I then loaded the "stock" AT&T gingerbread leak on it, and it was even better. Almost no lag at all, GPS worked great, and battery life was excellent. I think you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
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I tried to use the stock 2.2. I really did. I was getting random shutdowns and reboots all the time and the lag, oh the lag! I can't tell you how many times I would hit an on-screen button and nothing would happen. I would hit it again a second or three later or try a different on screen-button, and still nothing. Thinking the app had crashed, I would hit home or back. Another second or two after that, everything I had done would process in a millisecond and I would be back at the home screen with no idea what I had done as the "extra" touches would register as some other command on the screens that followed and I didn't see.
Once I reflashed the first time, the lag went away and the shutdowns greatly diminished, but since then I have had various other problems. Things like:
- the phone telling me I had a cell signal when I didn't and because I don't make many outgoing calls or texts I just thought nobody wanted to talk to me. Meanwhile people were getting mad that I wasn't getting back to them.
- Apps "uninstalling" by themselves sometimes with a generic icon to replace them. Re-installing them sometimes worked and sometimes didn't (with the same app).
- Texts that come in 5 hours after they were sent and 2 hours after I emerged into a strong cell signal (I work in a sub-basement).
When I tried the KK4 stock, everything did seem to work well until I actually tried to use it as a phone. It said I had signal and I had data connection, but most calls would simply never dial, and while it would ring and I could see who was calling, I couldn't answer. This seems particularly bizarre to me as you would think the ROM/modem pair should work with all Captivates.

If you want stability, I'd recommend Firefly or Andromeda. They are both older and are Froyo builds, but ultra stable.
And I concur the out of the box Cappy 2.1 build was unusable...it's how I ended up here at xda! Unlike you however, I found that I do like tweaking my phone, and I've done some amount of that...not without peaks and valleys, but I currently really enjoy the Mosaic ROM with Semaphore JVZ kernel.
i897 running Mosaic 8.5

teknowledgist said:
So, your view is that the Captivate and/or Android phones are best used by people who have both the skills and time to regularly - if not constantly - rebuild and tweak hidden and background settings always at some risk of bricking their several-hundred dollar device, and you see the iPhone as the proper choice for people who simply want something that works for their day-to-day use?
That's worse than what everyday users had to manage with DOS or in the early days of Linux or Windows 95. At least with those, your hardware wasn't (usually) at risk.
Is there no solution for those in the middle who want something that works day-to-day and allows them some freedom to make minor changes like block ads and install "unapproved" apps? Are they simply out of luck?
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Unfortunately, it's shaping out that way. And it's only getting worse as time goes on and the fragments march in their separate directions. When there's 20 different fundamental ROMS (Sense, TouvhWiz, all the variations and so on), and 4000 different phones it becomes increasingly difficult to provide a consistent quality experience.
The worst part being I don't see a way out for Google or a light at the end of the tunnel for consumers short of starting over, which presents more problems than it solves.
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Madtowndave said:
If you want stability, I'd recommend Firefly or Andromeda. They are both older and are Froyo builds, but ultra stable.
And I concur the out of the box Cappy 2.1 build was unusable...it's how I ended up here at xda! Unlike you however, I found that I do like tweaking my phone, and I've done some amount of that...not without peaks and valleys, but I currently really enjoy the Mosaic ROM with Semaphore JVZ kernel.
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Thanks for the suggestions.
Actually, I think tweaking can be fun sometimes, but between work, family, house, etc. I'm usually stumbling through on 5 hours of sleep a night as it is (good thing I don't drive to work!). I simply don't have time to tweak, and I definitely can't be without a phone for a day or two.

MikeyMike01 said:
Unfortunately, it's shaping out that way. And it's only getting worse as time goes on and the fragments march in their separate directions. When there's 20 different fundamental ROMS (Sense, TouvhWiz, all the variations and so on), and 4000 different phones it becomes increasingly difficult to provide a consistent quality experience.
The worst part being I don't see a way out for Google or a light at the end of the tunnel for consumers short of starting over, which presents more problems than it solves.
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That's the sense I was getting, but when I would express it to anyone I know in meat-space, they just rolled their eyes and called me crazy. I started this thread with the optimistic hope that I was simply missing something.
It's good to know at least that I'm not alone in my thinking.

Stevenrogers_420 said:
KK4 seems to be the final update and source code is out so things are about to get real good.
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This is my hope.

I have had Cognition 5 on my phone since it was released. It has been the ultimate experience for me. Stable, GREAT battery life, awesome response, etc. It is the Plain Jane of ROMs and I won't use anything else.
at least not until a stable, working version of ICS is out. I've recently got my hands on a free captivate and have been using it as a testbed for ICS. Once I am satisfied, I will flash my everyday use Cappy to ICS and be done with flashing on this phone until I can upgrade this summer.

Im in your boat somewhat. I want all features of the device to work and I dont want reboots etc. Stability is critical.
For Froyo, Firefy 3.0 ROM gave up uptimes of 7-8 days without issue. I only rebooted once battery ran out.
GB ROMs Ive tried are all more unstable, but I have been on Illuminance 3.01 for over a week now and its running quite good. I reboot often though as I swap batteries, so I cant speak to up time but it goes over a day easily. Im using the ICS theme with it so it feels like I have a new device also.
Now that we have KK4 source I think we will see stability improve even more.
I see too many problems with the ICS builds so far but they are alpha afterall. Impressive progress from the devs working on it however!

Eventually my idea is to take the best of all the leaks and make a rock solid stable hybrid rom. Though most devs, including myself, try to cater to the masses. It seems what you are looking for isn't very popular. Most want more and better in their roms, i've tried both and still not overly successful at either. But it doesn't stop me from trying to create the best of both worlds. A solid stable rom with nice features, that doesn't deteriorate in performance over time. Hopefully a hybrid rom will solve a lot of issues we all face with the cappy.
The thing the iphone has going for it is the fact it is one manufacturer, apple. All the iphones are the same, same processor, same hardware, same specs, same, same, same. It makes it easy to have a tight knit development for the phone, so it is less prone to issues. But because of this tight, closed architecture, you don't have allot of choices as far as styles and hardware. Android and Windows, on the other hand, have multiple manufacturers and many choices of processors, hardware and styles to choose from. So it is much more difficult for Google and phone manufacturing developers to cater to all of the different phones and have each one run flawlessly. The same holds true for Linux and Windows with PC's. But I think the cappy has some of the best developers on XDA making great ROMs for it and these ROMs don't necessarily cater to hobbyists, they cater to captivate users in general.
Sometimes good things come to those who wait...
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In my own opinion, I think one of the best ROM's out there, and quite frankly possibly the most stable I've run to date is Phoenix Unleashed. It's Froyo JS8, and was the last of the 2.2 ROM's Adam put out. It was a ROM I would absolutely go to IF I ever got tired of flashing ROM's(don't really see that happening) and wanted to just have a phone that worked and worked well.
I'm too busy now playing with ICS.......but that is a story for another day

kangi26 said:
In my own opinion, I think one of the best ROM's out there, and quite frankly possibly the most stable I've run to date is Phoenix Unleashed. It's Froyo JS8, and was the last of the 2.2 ROM's Adam put out. It was a ROM I would absolutely go to IF I ever got tired of flashing ROM's(don't really see that happening) and wanted to just have a phone that worked and worked well.
I'm too busy now playing with ICS.......but that is a story for another day
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I think there's something to that. Serendipity 6 was JS8 if I remember correctly.
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MikeyMike01 said:
I think there's something to that. Serendipity 6 was JS8 if I remember correctly.
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By the way, no offence Mikey, I'm not in any way trying to imply that your ROM's are inferior, I just spent a TON of time with the Phoenix ROM's so my opinion comes from that alone