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[Q] Nook Usability

Hey there boys and girls. As most of us, im getting tax return money pretty soon, and im of course thinking of the many way to spend it. Im considering getting the nook and putting Honeycomb on it. And im wondering, for those of you that have been using it, how well does it work, and is it worth it... or should i just get me somthing like the Galaxy Tab and wait for 3.0 there.

I had it installed on mine for about a day, then I went back to Froyo. Even though there has been great progress made by awesome devs in porting it to the nook, it remains very buggy.
The code is driverless and drunk.
I won't go into all the little ones, but a big bug was that it hosed my boot partition. Had to revert back to Eclaire before putting Froyo back on.
Bottom line:
A rooted stock eclaire nook color is damn close to a streamlined tablet. It's just missing Flash, also some performance issues.
Nookie Froyo is day by day closer to being the daily driver OS.
HoneyComb is a ways away from being reliable/usable

Hi everyone. First post here, and I think I may get some 'trolling' flack for what I'm about to say, but I gotta say it anyway: If you're considering buying a Nook Color, I would seriously reconsider and look at an Archos 70IT instead.
I actually own both of these devices, and I have to say that the Archos is hands down the better device. It runs Froyo out of the box, and has amazing media playback support. Basically, there ain't nuthin' the the NC can do that the Archos 70 can't do better and faster.
Now, the major complaint with the Archos is shoddy build quality (at least in comparison to the NC), and there's no doubt that that's absolutely true. But I have to say that contrary to what you might think, this is actually an advantage. Yep, an advantage, and here's why: It's waaay lighter. I use my tablet mostly for reading, both books and internet, and I do a lot of that reading either lying on the couch or in bed. And I do it with one hand. Because of the lightness of the A70, I can hold it up for pretty much as long as if I were holding a paper novel, but I cannot say the same for the NC. It is a veritable brick in comparison. With the NC, I constantly have to adjust it in my hand, or change hands altogether, to avoid cramping.
I pretty much only use the NC for amusing myself with custom firmwares (Honeycomb was fun, but as others report, very buggy). When it comes time to actually pick up a tablet for 'real' use, it's the A70 every time.
It's just too bad the A70 isn't getting anywhere near the love that the NC is (i.e. Honeycomb), but I suppose it's no matter anyway because using a different firmware destroys the A70's superb, factory-supplied multi-media experience.
My 2p. Flame away.

I do not own an Archos, but I tend to agree with the last post. If you want a tablet, buy a tablet.
If you want an e-reader, buy the Nook as it can function as both a tablet and a reader.
The Nook lacks several features that most tablets have.
The Nook is a fantastic and capable device, but it is always best to buy something for its native purpose.

@spikey911: But the Archos also works as an e-reader, and for the reason I stated above (lightness), does it better than the NC. I have 3 reader apps installed: Kindle, Nook, and Aldiko, and they all work great.
Another point about the A70 is that contrary to reason, the plastic body is stickier than the spongy rubber coating applied to the back of the NC, and thus it doesn't have a tendency to slip out of my grasp when holding it with one hand. Go figure, but it's true.
Oh ya, and when I wanna watch a movie in bed, I just swing out the A70's kickstand and plunk it down...no need to hold it up. It's a thing of beauty.

I would get the Nook...cheaper and works great!

Slashdot123 said:
I would get the Nook...cheaper and works great!
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But not as comfortable to use for reading, has horrible video playback support, and lower CPU speed (without OC). It's cheaper for a reason.
Gotta make sure the OP makes the right decision. Decide what you want to use it for, and if the answer is:
1) as an Android tablet with full Market support
2) as a versatile e-reader
3) as a multi-media device
4) under $300
Then the A70 wins hands down.
My final words. Good luck, Oskiee.

I just got a Nook Color this week and currently have it set up to dual-boot Honeycomb or the stock OS (for video playback). So far I'm pretty happy with it, and it's definitely a very hacking-friendly platform. Honeycomb works surprisingly well and looks slick. It has known issues, but works fine for many essential applications such as the browser, Google Reader, and Fruit Ninja.
According to the Engadget review (engadget.com /2010/12/24/archos-70-and-101-internet-tablet-review/ - remove the space, I'm not permitted to make a link) the Archos 70 has a very glossy screen with poor viewing angles and questionable build quality - I haven't seen it myself. The NC screen is excellent and it feels very solid.
Overall, I'd recommend the Nook Color if you enjoy OS hacking and are willing to put up with some glitches, or if you're satisfied with its out-of-the-box functionality (but then you'd probably not be reading this forum). If that's not what you're looking for, you'd probably be happier with one of the alternatives, but you'll have to make compromises either way in this price range.

imacmill said:
Hi everyone. First post here, and I think I may get some 'trolling' flack for what I'm about to say, but I gotta say it anyway: If you're considering buying a Nook Color, I would seriously reconsider and look at an Archos 70IT instead.
I actually own both of these devices, and I have to say that the Archos is hands down the better device. It runs Froyo out of the box, and has amazing media playback support. Basically, there ain't nuthin' the the NC can do that the Archos 70 can't do better and faster.
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Lower resolution destroys ever wanting one of them for me. NookColor wins in my opinion because of that.
Also, the nook color weighs less than 1/10th a pound more. Actually im reading conflicting results, so im not really sure on the weight difference

MattJ951 said:
Lower resolution destroys ever wanting one of them for me. NookColor wins in my opinion because of that.
Also, the nook color weighs less than 1/10th a pound more. Actually im reading conflicting results, so im not really sure on the weight difference
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Granted, the NC has higher rez, but they're pretty close, and in practical terms, the difference is fairly meaningless. How will you make use of that minor rez difference? For video, with software decoding? In that case, the NC's slower CPU will have to push more pixels...not good. Don't get me wrong. I'd love for the A70 to have the NC's screen, but for my money, the difference is not worth worrying about.
As for weight...since I own both, I'm in a position to say, without citing pound values, the A70 is tangibly lighter than the Nook. Enough so to make one-handed reading comfortable on the A70, but untenable on the NC. Of course this is completely dependant on a person'S hand strength, and while i don't claim to have kung fu grip hands, I'm no weakling either. Your mileage will vary.
I firmly believe that if someone was given the opportunity to use each device for 24 hours, the majority would choose the A70. Since this is not an option for most, they will likely fall victim to the A70's 'questionable build quality, crummy screen' argument (neither of which are accurate), and buy the NC.

imacmill said:
But not as comfortable to use for reading, has horrible video playback support, and lower CPU speed (without OC). It's cheaper for a reason.
Gotta make sure the OP makes the right decision. Decide what you want to use it for, and if the answer is:
1) as an Android tablet with full Market support
2) as a versatile e-reader
3) as a multi-media device
4) under $300
Then the A70 wins hands down.
My final words. Good luck, Oskiee.
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Except that the A70 doesn't have the market any more than the Nook Color does. And it's not exactly a tablet for gaming, if that's important to anyone. It does have bluetooth at least.

I will chime in on what swayed me to the Nook.
I look at the what ifs as well as the daily uses. If something goes bad with my Nook, I have a 3 physical BN stores within 25 minutes I can return the nook to. On the very unlikely chance that I have a bricked nook, that does me no good. But I could possible feign ignorance and return it anyway.
With Archos...they have a notoriously horrible track record for warranty work. That is the main reason I went with the nook. I have read over and over again horror stories of working with post sale issues on the Archos line...now take that with a grain of salt because I have not had personal experience...just what I read at other places.
All that said...I love my nook and it does 98% of what I want it to do. The lack is the flash. As for video...I have no issues. I already had many pre converted movies I could plop on it and view. As for a kickstand...there are so many cheap or free things you can do for a stand.
On final thing to consider is outputs...the nook doesnt have them...unless you just want 3.5mm headphone jack. The Archos does.
Good Luck

pandigital nova

http://androinica.com/2011/08/best-buy-selling-pandigital-nova-digital-reader-tablet-for-170/
Contender or pretender?

Not even close....

it has a resistive touch screen, not capacitive like the nook

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Not even close....
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Seriously, it's like comparing a Lamborghini to dried vomit on a sidewalk.

My biggest reason for picking the Nook Color over anything else is the 1024x600 screen.

I personally believe any tablet with the pandigital name sucks. Mainly because everything they have made has sucked..

acdcking12345 said:
I personally believe any tablet with the pandigital name sucks. Mainly because everything they have made has sucked..
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I bought a Novel back when Best Buy was selling them for $129. At the time I just couldn't get myself to spend $250 on a Nook. For what it was I thought it was great. Worked fine for me, but I'm not a "Power-user". I don't do much with my Nook other than read books, play games and surf the internet a bit.
For me the Novel was a great little stepping stone. Without it I might not have ever bought a Nook.

Not even a pretender. The pandigital is a pretty good first reader but the one I bought about a year ago got returned to best buy within 2 days. I worked with the Huawei S7 and S7 slim for a while but the nook is an order of magnitude better. The IPS screen is much easier on the eyes and the devs here have developed the nook to a well deserved place in the tablet market. Do not waste your money on the pandigital if you really want a tablet.
Sent from my NookColor using Tapatalk

The Novel has a resistive screen and is suck compared to the Color. The Nova was just released two days ago; anyone actually had chance to play with it yet or are you just assuming its resistive?

liquidice007 said:
The Novel has a resistive screen and is suck compared to the Color. The Nova was just released two days ago; anyone actually had chance to play with it yet or are you just assuming its resistive?
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I'm just assuming it's Pandigital... Which coincidentally I use as a cuss word, like "I'm going to kick you in the Pandigital" or "Get the Pandigital out of my face" or even "Pandigital you and your whole family!" or "try these Pandigitals on for size".

liquidice007 said:
The Novel has a resistive screen and is suck compared to the Color. The Nova was just released two days ago; anyone actually had chance to play with it yet or are you just assuming its resistive?
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It features a 800 MHz proc running an 800x600 ActiveTouch display (resistive touchscreen with multitouch input) with 4GB mem and two camera.

Well, that says it all. Resistive screen with 800x600 display?? Really?
The nook screen wins hands down as the main user interface for a tablet is the screen, why would you want a lower resolution screen with no developement community? Even for the extra ram and the camera, Pandigital is cheaping out on the screen. No wonder it sells for less.
On the other hand, if you must have a device with a camera and can live with no tech support and no dev community and have 20-20 vision that you do not mind ruining, by all means....rush out and get it. Just sayin.....
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I stopped reading after pandigital
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joenathane said:
I'm just assuming it's Pandigital... Which coincidentally I use as a cuss word, like "I'm going to kick you in the Pandigital" or "Get the Pandigital out of my face" or even "Pandigital you and your whole family!" or "try these Pandigitals on for size".
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My, such hostility. Might I ask why?

darien87 said:
My, such hostility. Might I ask why?
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I thought that was clearly humor, it's far too ridiculous to be taken in any serious tone...
On another note, I've had a couple of experiences with Pandigital and like everyone else is says here, Pandigital makes bottom of the barrel junk on the same level as things like the CherryPad.

acdcking12345 said:
I personally believe any tablet with the pandigital name sucks. Mainly because everything they have made has sucked..
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I've had a Pandigital photo frame for nearly two years. It is excellent, touch screen, remote, plays music, video, and photos. It is very feature rich and I would like a second one just like it if I can find one.

joenathane said:
I thought that was clearly humor, it's far too ridiculous to be taken in any serious tone...
On another note, I've had a couple of experiences with Pandigital and like everyone else is says here, Pandigital makes bottom of the barrel junk on the same level as things like the CherryPad.
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I guess since I had no prior e-reader experience I had no expectations when I bought my Novel. Sure it had it's issues, but at half the price of a Nook I thought it was great for what I paid for it at the time. All I wanted was something I could read books on and surf the internet and it did those 2 things just fine.

I Checked it out at Best Buy
The specs on this device are very tempting and the fact that it runs gingerbread means it should be easy to get skype and netflix working on it without much work. Something that is harder or not yet possible for the most of the nice honeycomb tablets. So I checked it out while I was at Best Buy. The screen looked alright and the viewing angles weren't great but they might be adequate for basic use. I found it very hard to type accurately on and when I was looking up the specs on it I found myself wanting to use my phone instead of the nova. Pinch to zoom took several tries to work. Angry birds ran and responded well enough. The buttons felt very cheap and the flimsy plastic case had so much give in one spot that it left an impression on the screen when you pressed it that lasted for several seconds. I may have missed it but there doesn't appear to be an accelerometer on this.

The only real contender with the Nook Color is the Renasis3 or Rena3 tablet. Even then there isn't a big dev community for it. But it kills the nook color in specs.
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joenathane said:
I'm just assuming it's Pandigital... Which coincidentally I use as a cuss word, like "I'm going to kick you in the Pandigital" or "Get the Pandigital out of my face" or even "Pandigital you and your whole family!" or "try these Pandigitals on for size".
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Hehe.... LOL.

[Q] Today: Nook Color vs Galaxy Tab HELP!

I've read many many many threads and web articles about this topic but I can't seem to find one that is really close to today's date (September 3, 2011) I'm sure everyone has had enough of these threads already but I really could use the advice and help but I don't have any friends with the knowledge to call on.
Here is my problem... I bought a Nook Color about a week ago without doing nearly as much research as I should have (and normally do). I haven't rooted it yet but I'm still happy with my NC, which I've just been using to read and browse the web now and then. Today as I was looking at best buy's website and I came across the Samsung Galaxy Tab for only $30 more than what I paid for the NC... so that leaves me with the options of keeping my NC and rooting it or returning it and getting the Galaxy Tab.
I've never had a tablet before and this is the first real spend on myself in a really long time, so I want to make sure I make the right decision and don't regret it once it's too late. I'm looking for like an all around good e-reader/tablet but not looking to spend a whole lot of money on it, and at the time the NC looked like I wouldn't even have a doubt in my mind, until today. The cameras and gps and other random things the Galaxy Tab can do aren't really my main concerns but it sure factors into the whole picture. I'm thinking I'm ready to take that step into either starting the rooting today or getting the tab and just start playing around with it.
I guess what I'm looking for in an answer would be should I keep my NC and start going about the rooting process or should I just return it and get the tab and basically be good to go right out of the box?
That being said, I also saw that the next NC could be coming out really soon. But that doesn't really matter too much to me as I'm looking for of a more "right now" than a "near future" haha.
Thanks!!!
Edits - Really, any help/opinions/suggestions are greatly appreciated. And I guess another of my concerns and reasons for making this new thread was to maybe get insight about this topic in the "now" with the recent release of the 1.3 update and next nook color coming out "soon."

It all comes down to what you plan to do with it, knowing that the more you learn about it, and play with it, that could change.
We have 3 Nook Colors and love them. The price, the ease of use, the great screen, are all benefits of the NC. I am not happy with the speaker or the sound from the NC, so headphones are a must. We don't have any Galaxy Tabs so I can't really tell you about them.
We use the NCs primarily as eReaders, with a few apps/games for the kids. They are (or were until BN pushed the 1.3 update) rooted so that takes a little bit of set up and maintenance time. We don't need the the cameras or the gps so we really don't miss that. We love the original NC eReader app (not the market one) so for us, I think that puts the NC over the Galaxy Tab.
I am still in search of a good music/video player, and overall, while the NC does what we need, my wife still has iPad envy so we will probably be getting an iPad 2 in the near future.
Hope this helps.

I agree with madman.
I like my NC (just got it a few days ago) and love it so far.
Somehow, I doubt the Galaxy Tab would measure up now. It seems like it would be a bit bulkier, maybe heavier... and it doesn't seem like it bring much to the party... the hardware may be a little better though (ram/cpu). The NC doesn't have any outputs though to hook up to a TV or anything like that... For some reason I want to say that the Galaxy Tab does have some sort of hdmi out, I could be mistaken though.
But, it's a matter of opinion I guess.
@madman390:
Try MoboPlayer I use it for AVI files that I stream over the network for my daughter. It works great, and has a library poster layout feel to it. Though, it won't load your files unless you enable the "software decoding" for them. You can set it in the options though, to always use it.

Yoinx said:
I agree with madman.
I like my NC (just got it a few days ago) and love it so far.
Somehow, I doubt the Galaxy Tab would measure up now. It seems like it would be a bit bulkier, maybe heavier... and it doesn't seem like it bring much to the party... the hardware may be a little better though (ram/cpu). The NC doesn't have any outputs though to hook up to a TV or anything like that... For some reason I want to say that the Galaxy Tab does have some sort of hdmi out, I could be mistaken though.
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I just have to correct some misstatements here. I have a rooted CM7 Nook color and a stock Galaxy Tab. The NC is great, and very functional as a low cost, no frills, easily customized tablet with a nice screen.But where it lacks the Tab undeniably shines. The Tab is lighter, smaller, and has a wonderful Gorilla glass screen. The cameras and video capabilities are sharp and convenient. And with HDMI output, I'm able to share the contents of my Tab on a larger screen easily. And the speakers are much much so much better than those on the NC it is not even funny.
For only $30 more, the bang-for-the-buck in me outshouts the geek in me and says the Galaxy Tab wins out.

cymoze said:
I just have to correct some misstatements here. I have a rooted CM7 Nook color and a stock Galaxy Tab. The NC is great, and very functional as a low cost, no frills, easily customized tablet with a nice screen.But where it lacks the Tab undeniably shines. The Tab is lighter, smaller, and has a wonderful Gorilla glass screen. The cameras and video capabilities are sharp and convenient. And with HDMI output, I'm able to share the contents of my Tab on a larger screen easily. And the speakers are much much so much better than those on the NC it is not even funny.
For only $30 more, the bang-for-the-buck in me outshouts the geek in me and says the Galaxy Tab wins out.
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Like I said... ionly have the nook color. I wasn't trying to spread misinformation... just giving my speculative opinion. Like I said.. the HDMI would be worth it. And the NC speaker suck without nook tools boosting sac.
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Im with Cymoze. I own em both and the Gorilla Glass and the "feel" of the Galaxy Tab make it my go to device. The added hardware and the drop in price make it even more appealing.
I will say this. Flashing the tab with better then stock firmware is a bit more troublesome although not impossible. The Nook Color cant be fubar`d and that appeals to alot of folks.
Not to mention making phonecalls on the tab just friggin ROCKS.
If your able to follow instructions buy the tab.

For those who have used them side-by-side, what do you think about the reading experience on the Samsung? Is it radically different or worse than the NC (I'm just talking screens here, really--I mostly read in Aldiko, sometimes Kindle)? I'm hoping and assuming the Samsung has better audio...am I right?
I have a line on a GSM Galaxy Tab 7" at a decent price, but I couldn't afford to keep both devices. Reading is a high priority, and I'm just a little concerned that if that experience suffers much, the Samsung won't feel like an upgrade.
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And the speakers are much much so much better than those on the NC it is not even funny.
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assuming it also applies to the 3G model.

I dont hqve a problem reading on the tab. But i cant say i do it for extended periods of time.
Id do spend a lot of time on it vs. The nook color. I just dont like the feel of the nook and that bezel drives me crazy.

I don't own a Galaxy Tab (however I do own a Samsung Captivate). Just based on Samsung slowness to put out firmware updates, I think B&N wins in the customer support category. However I do wish the NC had HDMI (or usb) video out. Also the NC struggles with HD video (I'm running CM7 nightly 160 and haven't had luck with any video player with HD...also struggles with youtube HD). I think if you have the patience you can tweak the NC to perform just as fast as the galaxy.
I think for $30 I might go Tab. However, check Ebay or Buy.com....NC refurbs can be had for $160-$169 (I got one I swear it looks brand new...I think B&N is just dumping them to get ready for the NC2).

I bought a NC back in March I believe and I love it. Yes, the speaker sucks, the screen, while works okay, is a little unresponsive, but other than that I prefer it over the tab 7 WIFI! I stress this because I got the Galaxy tab 7 WIFI version for FREE and after using it only twice I got rid of it. If you're going to get the tab, the WiFi version is a NO GO! It lacks in every way compared to it's counterpart. It's slower, less ram, no HDMI out possibilities, bluetooth is locked down, and there is virtually no community support (you cannot use the GSM or cmda roms). Touchwiz SUCKS on any device and even more so on the bigger screen of the Tab.
If you don't care about the GPS, camera, etc. then the NOOK should be your choice. You can do so much more with it and, to me, it feels like a budget tablet should feel. The galaxy tab, to me, just felt like a childs toy.
I read on my nook color ALL the time using Aldiko and I love it. I didn't like the way the Tab 7 felt in my hands, it did feel bigger and more bulky. It was thicker by a lot, although not quite as tall due to the n button area on the nook.
Call it a bad experience, but I'd still rather have a nook than a galaxy tab 7 any day. I love samsung as a brand, but their tablets have not impressed me at all (although I do like my rooted gummycharged Droid Charge).
Another general warning about Samsung android devices....they lock down their bluetooth so that you can't use a lot of the things that you could on other devices like the PS3/wii controller, HID devices, etc. Some say they did it on purpose, others say it is just the way it happened. I hear HID is unlocked with the gsm/cdma galaxy tab 7 but I cannot confirm this.

Now that I have an Android phone...

...I can understand the "Why would I want a tablet?" crowd a little better. I'm late to the smartphone party; my half-bright phone (SE Walkman 760) kept me happy for quite a while, with first a netbook and then the NC filling the gap between phone and PC. The other day, though, I snagged a used Xperia X10 on craigslist, and I'm starting to wonder how much use my NC will see aside from e-reading, which would be served as well or better by an e-ink device.
I mean, if the phone and the tablet are both in arm's reach, sure, I'll go for the bigger screen, but their uses are almost 100% redundant now. The only thing I couldn't see doing on the phone is reading comic books, which I rarely do on the NC anyway, and I could still read b&w comics on e-ink. Some games would be kind of pointless on the X10, but overall the two devices break even there, given the NC's bigger screen and the X10's better touch response. The same could be said for web-browsing; the NC's screen is a gorgeous klutz, as touch screens go. That trade-off doesn't apply to tablets in general, but the rest pretty much do; many phones are at least as capable as any tablet near the NC's price range.
The NC is a great platform for exploring ROMs and mods to a greater extent than I'd be comfortable doing on my phone--really, the NC has been a hobby unto itself in the time I've had it, but I think I've covered all the mods I care to explore. I may well sell it off and pick up a N2E or other rootable Android e-ink device (are there any others yet?) in the near future.

I started with the smartphone, then picked up my NC a year later. The Nook is very much my reader of choice. On long hauls, I'm OK with running down my Nook's battery, while keeping my phone for "serious" use.
Of course, the phone does SMS more cleanly. The phone is always with me, whereas the Nook is more for planned long periods of downtime. While I could do it all on my phone, the larger Nook screen has made reading and browsing more of something I enjoy doing.
- Bob

Battery life is the upside of redundancy, for sure, but for reading at least, an e-ink device would have substantial advantages over the NC in that department. Something like the STR that can be rooted to display pretty much any document format and has some limited browsing capability might end up absorbing more of my juice-intensive activities than the NC. It's also somewhat relevant, for me, that the STR would be more efficient in terms of my personal power consumption, drawing much less juice off the grid.
I'm not decided on shelving the NC--I've had the phone less than a week, so I'll see how my usage patterns shake out. Still, it's tempting to go e-ink. It would also give me a new device to mod

I use my phone on the go and my Nook at home. I like having a bigger screen to do my browsing, movie watching, book read etc.
I don't don't see why you would drop the nook for an e-ink as the nook can do almost anything while a stand alone reader does one thing.
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koopakid08 said:
I don't don't see why you would drop the nook for an e-ink as the nook can do almost anything while a stand alone reader does one thing.
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What it can do is immaterial if I do not in fact use it to do those things--most of my uses for the larger display would be met by the STR, primarily reading and some browsing.
I don't know, though--I probably will end up sticking with the NC. A lot of my reading is at night, where the backlight is a plus, and every once in a while I do get into some dumb game on the NC (often sitting less than six feet away from a PC with probably 20 real games installed ).
Mainly, I just have more sympathy for the people who are baffled by the tablet phenomenon. A decent Android phone is an extremely capable device, and all a tablet really brings to the table are those extra inches.

Since I flash my phone quite often I try to keep the installed apps to a minimum while my nook is loaded to the hilt. Since it (the Nook) fits in my back pocket I take it everywhere so it keeps me from draining my phone's battery as well.

My $.02 with data being so expensive for phones now I actually save money by using the nook everywhere and not using phone data. I love my nook, I can hardly even stand browsing the web on my phone now that I have been spoiled with the nooks brilliant screen. I use my phone primarily when I am super bored in class and to keep updated on email everywhere. And my phone is a mytouch.4g so not a bad phone for comparison. I don't even understand the hype on the Amazon tablet except for the price, if you ask me the brilliant people that designed the nook color should be receiving all the press. Everything but dual core almost a year in advance, am I wrong?

Cant agree more, I found myself using nook more than my EVO.

ncmt4g64 said:
My $.02 with data being so expensive for phones now I actually save money by using the nook everywhere and not using phone data.
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Would you please elaborate on that? I don't have a data plan for my phone because I have almost universal access to good WiFi networks, and it doesn't cost me any.

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Would you please elaborate on that? I don't have a data plan for my phone because I have almost universal access to good WiFi networks, and it doesn't cost me any.
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Right, you can always use both when there is wifi, I would choose nook everytime. But since I started using my nook so much, I reduced my phone data plan to 2.5gb instead of 5gb, mostly because I tend to hold off using my phone for internet and stuff especially on data since the nook is so much bigger and also my primary Android device now.

I watched about 4 hours worth of Archer on my NC while flying from Raleigh to Denver recently. Can't imagine doing that (enjoyably) on my phone. Video quality its pretty darn good on the Nook.

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I watched about 4 hours worth of Archer on my NC while flying from Raleigh to Denver recently. Can't imagine doing that (enjoyably) on my phone. Video quality its pretty darn good on the Nook.
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For frequent flyers who aren't trying to work on the plane, tablets are great, no question. Me, I take a 2-hour trip every month or two, and while it's not out of the question I would want to watch a movie, more often I end up reading or listening to music or audiobooks, and/or napping.

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My $.02 with data being so expensive for phones now I actually save money by using the nook everywhere and not using phone data.
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Yeah, $$ is still my primary concern, I'm no luddite (if that's not obvious from running a hacked nook), but the required data plans for phones add up to hundreds, sometimes thousands a year (eg; family). Personally, I'd rather spend that money on other areas (travel / retirement), so I'm seeing how long I can go for feature phone + nook.

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I'm seeing how long I can go for feature phone + nook.
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That's what I was doing when I picked up the NC in May; no way was I getting a smart phone on contract. Since I ditched my contract, though, getting a smartphone actually lowered my phone bill, or at least forced me to look into my options and discover it could be lower. I was doing AT&T/GoPhone's $50 prepaid unlimited they introduced this summer, but they blocked my data when I got the X10, so I'm looking at what I can do, and they'd introduced another new plan last month, with 250 min. and unlimited texts for $25. I don't have to carry any data, but I got a 10MB/$5 "emergency" plan in case I need a map in a tight spot...or want to check Facebook at a bus stop
At any rate, I'm in love with my NC again, mostly because I found an app that handles both epubs and pdfs really well (Mantano) and another one that can read my rtfs (CoolReader). I'm still taking Mantano for a test drive, but I expect it will replace Aldiko and ezPDF. I swear I have about ten reader apps

You guys looking for cheap smartphones. Check out Virgin Mobile. $35 a month unlimited data, and texting with 300 minutes. It's on Sprints network so depends where you are but I have great coverage everywhere I go. Also its prepaid so no evil contracts!
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Battery life is the upside of redundancy, for sure, but for reading at least, an e-ink device would have substantial advantages over the NC in that department. Something like the STR that can be rooted to display pretty much any document format and has some limited browsing capability might end up absorbing more of my juice-intensive activities than the NC. It's also somewhat relevant, for me, that the STR would be more efficient in terms of my personal power consumption, drawing much less juice off the grid.
I'm not decided on shelving the NC--I've had the phone less than a week, so I'll see how my usage patterns shake out. Still, it's tempting to go e-ink. It would also give me a new device to mod
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I think you'll find that once the novelty wears off you won't want to deal with the tiny screen unless it's your only option (ie at the dr, lunch etc.). I use my fascinate for phone calls, wifi hotspot and personal email and gchat at work (blocked on my work laptop) or when I have nothing else. The 7"screen is the right compromise between comfort and big enough text to be comfortable for extended use where the phone isn't, even with the beautiful amoled screen on the fascinate. I use the NC at home for most browsing and reading (and for tracking my fantasy football team on sundays).

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At any rate, I'm in love with my NC again, mostly because I found an app that handles both epubs and pdfs really well (Mantano) and another one that can read my rtfs (CoolReader). I'm still taking Mantano for a test drive, but I expect it will replace Aldiko and ezPDF. I swear I have about ten reader apps
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Holy hell! I LOVE mantano! It's an immediate new favorite over aldiko and already has all the things I loved about aldiko, but it handles the PDFs soooo much better. The hint on using coolreader for rtf's was also good, as i gave up looking for something that could handle that format.
Now i'm going to go whole hog and couple mantano to calibre and be in heaven...
A hundred shiny new internets to you for such a great find, sir!

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You guys looking for cheap smartphones. Check out Virgin Mobile. $35 a month unlimited data, and texting with 300 minutes. It's on Sprints network so depends where you are but I have great coverage everywhere I go. Also its prepaid so no evil contracts!
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I considered them (and could have sworn it was $25 when I looked at it), but the only Android they had was the LG Optimus V, which didn't look so hot, and while their service is decent right where I live, it's extremely spotty everywhere else I go. "Unlimited" sounds great, but "enough" is just as good for all practical purposes, and the aftermarket for AT&T phones is quite solid.
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Holy hell! I LOVE mantano! It's an immediate new favorite over aldiko and already has all the things I loved about aldiko, but it handles the PDFs soooo much better. The hint on using coolreader for rtf's was also good, as i gave up looking for something that could handle that format.
Now i'm going to go whole hog and couple mantano to calibre and be in heaven...
A hundred shiny new internets to you for such a great find, sir!
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Mantano CS/development is very engaged, too, and making constant improvements. They're active in this thread over on mobileread: http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131997
I wish I could find a rtf editor for Android. I don't have a keyboard for the NC right now, but it is my preferred medium for word processing, and I'm thinking about doing NaNoWriMo this year, so it would come in handy when I'm on the road around Thanksgiving.

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I considered them (and could have sworn it was $25 when I looked at it), but the only Android they had was the LG Optimus V, which didn't look so hot, and while their service is decent right where I live, it's extremely spotty everywhere else I go. "Unlimited" sounds great, but "enough" is just as good for all practical purposes, and the aftermarket for AT&T phones is quite solid.
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Yes it was $25 and I'm still grandfathered into that price. They do have other Androids now the Moto Triumph looks pretty good but they also got some HTC phone and the optimus slider.
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Goodbye Nexus 7

I loved the design and hardware of the Nexus 7 but unfortunately, I barely used/am barely using the tablet; I know it's wasn't exactly expensive but I use my PC a lot to the point where tablets and even mobile phones don't really get much use. I am getting a full refund from Tesco. I played the odd game but apart from that I've done everything else on my PC. I feel the exact same as I did before I bought it; I want to get rid of it because I barely use it but I don't want to get rid of it at the same time (It's hard to explain)
Anyone else in the same position?

Yeah kind of.. I was reading a thread about 7 exchanges for numerous faults when I spotted a dead pixel, so I thought I would go for a replacement, the replacement has light bleed. Now I am just thinking about getting a refund. I barely use it and I bought the 8 GB version which really does not have enough space. I like the tab, but I feel I have no real need for it. If Google can't sort it out soon I will get my money back..
Either way I am not too bothered.
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Yeah kind of.. I was reading a thread about 7 exchanges for numerous faults when I spotted a dead pixel, so I thought I would go for a replacement, the replacement has light bleed. Now I am just thinking about getting a refund. I barely use it and I bought the 8 GB version which really does not have enough space. I like the tab, but I feel I have no real need for it. If Google can't sort it out soon I will get my money back..
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This is exactly how I feel. Mine has no issues whatsoever; It's a 'perfect' device. I don't know if it's just a case of sticking with it and trying to find a use for it or just get a refund while I can.

It depends on your usage. For just general browsing I was using my computer which was fine but I'd have to sit down and plug it in all the time. This allows me to be more efficient and get other things down while reading the news and stuff.
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I use my desktop most of the time when I'm home, but I do find the Nexus 7 nice when I'm walking about, traveling, and etc.

Sorry to hear that. I also prefer to use the PC as well - much faster to get things done.
Have you considered it for sofa/bed use?

Whats the point of this thread ?
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Sorry to hear that. I also prefer to use the PC as well - much faster to get things done.
Have you considered it for sofa/bed use?
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Yeah sure. But also have a s3,
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Actually I probably would miss it a bit. Xmbc works well and I can also hear Tune In Radio whilst in the shower (which I can't on the s3). I knew before I bought it that it would be switched off more than it was on.. I thought the internet was supposed to stop impulse buying but this was my first . It is only £168 and in a years time I will have a 7" tab running the next OS.
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Salty Wagyu said:
Sorry to hear that. I also prefer to use the PC as well - much faster to get things done.
Have you considered it for sofa/bed use?
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If I'm honest, I don't really spend a lot of time downstairs/on the sofa and I don't really like using gadgets in bed. For me, my bed is for sleep and that's it. I currently don't have a mobile phone and to be honest, it's not like I need the money from the refund, I just don't think that the amount I will use it justifies me having it.

Yeah there a big toy for me, I have a gaming pc, a laptop, and a smart phone. I don't need one but they are fun mess with lol
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Yeah I mean, it's not like I hated using it; It's really fun to use but honestly, I prefer using my PC for like 90% of tasks.

>Anyone else in the same position?
+1. I think N7 hardware is great, even if missing a few features. The problem is that Android underwhelms me. It's been two years since 2.x, 1.5 years since the first official Android tab, and there isn't much new functionality. HC was a beta, ICS unifies phone+tablet, and JB adds some UI speed (and a Siri-alike). Multiuser is still missing along with networking, periphs support, etc etc. App support is still abysmal. It's still pretty much a phone OS, just like iOS.
I think my largest disappointment was from this year's I/O, where the main pitch was Google peddling its Play store wares, and the N7 was basically a kiosk for that--ie a carbon copy of Amazon's strategy. There's nothing about the tablet as a future computing device, just a consumption device (of Google content).
Gadget lust aside, my uses for Android tabs given their present limitations are pretty sparse as well. E-reading is great, and light web browse. My ultraportable does everything else, albeit with a bit less portability.
I'll probably pick up another tab or two this fall when more stuff shows up. But Android isn't a lock. the rumored iPad mini is appealing, and I'm also in a holding pattern to see how WinRT/Win8 toys pan out.
>Xmbc works well
I prefer vids on a big screen, so am aiming for a settop or a stick PC for this.

I don't really like using gadgets in bed. For me, my bed is for sleep and that's it
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Someone doesn't get laid.

I'm the opposite. My netbook and top of the line desktop PC's are hardly ever used anymore. I take my tablets with me everywhere I go, and only use the desktop when I really have to.

I'm using mine frequently enough, but only when I could be reading instead, which would be healthier and a better use of my time.
That's true for the desktop as well to an extent, but before I had a tablet reading before bed was part of my routine. Lately I've been streaming over the network or watching Netflix instead. And that's not a good way to fall asleep.
It's like those instant versus delayed gratification studies where people choose to watch Mrs. Doubtfire today and Schindler's List tomorrow.
http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/10/27/procrastination/
So I guess I'm sort of having the opposite problem. I should be reading Confederacy of Dunces in bed, but I'm watching Deadwood and Archer on my Nexus instead, regardless of my priorities.
If I can't trust my own preference for when I choose to use it, then what's the point of having it.

You must retrain your mind and think of the tablet as a read-only device.. Use it to read news, rss feeds (using pulse), books, mags, anything/site that doesn't require a lot of interaction, etc.. It's not made to replace your computer, or even be used the same way.. Once you get in the habit of using it for what it makes faster, it ends up saving you time.. On the other hand if you sit and force yourself to do things on it that are normally done faster on a PC/Notebook (ie. typing a lot of emails, or really anything to do with a lot of typing) - you will not be getting any advantage.
Perfect use examples..
Pulling up a manual, and working on something w/ it there next to you.. it fits in places a notebook/pc just aren't practical.
Monitoring Blogs via RSS (using pulse reader where you can see a lot of blogs/posts at the same time, and skim fast)
Monitoring News, etc using widgets on home screen.. real time data from multiple sources updated and presented on a single screen.
Texting using Google Voice
Reading emails - writing them is not always fun.
GPS navigation using tethered phone in car.
Slacker, Pandora, etc in car using tethered phone - the screen size makes for easier to use interface when driving (if you have the right mount, etc)
Reading books / mags, etc of course (helps get rid of that paper / mag clutter in your home)
Makes for the perfect thing to manage tasks, and calendar, etc - (use Gtasks to sync with gmail's built in tasks)
Start off by training yourself that its a Read-only device and delegate those tasks to it, and you will "Get it"..
Just some thoughts!

>think of the tablet as a read-only device
Yes, "content consumption." The question is whether your consumption is such an overriding need that you must have access everywhere. If you don't do much social media, or online news/RSS, much of the tablet's advantage is obviated.
That's not to say that tablets won't be popular. They obviously are, if iPad (and plateauing laptop) sales are any indicator. But I take it to mean that for most of the population, "consumption" is and has been their main use for PCs, not "computing" per se.

I work in IT, work in computers all day long, sit at a desk a lot. So when I get home, I do spend some more time at my desktop. But I love having a tablet, so I can get away from the desk and keyboard. I like to grab my tablet, stretch out on the sofa or on the lawn chair on the back porch and just surf the web or watch YouTube or something.

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I work in IT, work in computers all day long, sit at a desk a lot. So when I get home, I do spend some more time at my desktop. But I love having a tablet, so I can get away from the desk and keyboard. I like to grab my tablet, stretch out on the sofa or on the lawn chair on the back porch and just surf the web or watch YouTube or something.
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My tablet has pretty much replaced my laptop for general web viewing. And since it's uber portable, I find myself having it in places I used to take my GS3 and usually wouldn't take my laptop. Yeah, I could just use my phone, as I did for years for most things, but the tab is a lot easier on my eyes.
One place I really wanted to use my tab is at school. But after using a stylus for the first time, I'm not sure that I can use it for serious note taking, which sucks as I would love to get rid of paper notebooks.
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I guess I'm sort of in two minds as to whether I should keep it or not.