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Nook color: worst of all worlds?

Came across a funny older article on a fruit based website about the nook color when it first came out. After reading it i couldnt help but chuckle.
This was the best part of it,
But unlike forthcoming Android tablets like the Samsung Galaxy Tab, this device is going to be locked down and will only be able to run a limited number of B&N-approved apps such as Pandora and Lonely Planet.
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lol
Its a good read for a laugh.
I know that my nook color countinues to amaze me with more and more functionality everyday.
Its amazing what xda devs can accomplish. Take something and make it do something it was never meant to do and do it better than its competition.

That article is an unfortunate example of what a lot of tech journalists are doing these days. Hastily research a new product, then clip together a bunch of other coverage and bang out an article. By demonstrating his technical incompetence, sure he's got egg on his face now after the fact, however he also represents a large (the majority) percentage of B&N's customer base. The average purchaser would says "rooting what now?".
Amazingly, the NC has proven wildly popular and B&N's top selling item EVER, so obviously even with the limitations the author describes it's trouncing the competition. For those of use who know about ADB and scripts/img files, hey it's even better. Bought one for myself, then for my Dad (50's, tech savvy still). I rooted it, installed xeam and some apps then wrapped it back up and bang, best Christmas present ever!)

I've had a book 3g and then the NC which i rooted. Bottom line it rocks!!!!
Sent from my NOOTED NC using XDA App

I cannot wait for a fully functional froyo rom for the internal memory that will make this a true tablet
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sp1kez said:
I cannot wait for a fully functional froyo rom for the internal memory that will make this a true tablet
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Forgot Froyo. Gingerbread CM7. It's going to be B-E-A-UTIFUL

nicbennett said:
Forgot Froyo. Gingerbread CM7. It's going to be B-E-A-UTIFUL
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Name 5 things that Gingerbread does better than Froyo....
Anywho, I too look forward to a tablet-friendly custom ROM.. I still really like the status bar on the bottom of the screen, but the stupid B&N shortcut thing gets on my nerves when I'm typing.

khaytsus said:
Name 5 things that Gingerbread does better than Froyo....
Anywho, I too look forward to a tablet-friendly custom ROM.. I still really like the status bar on the bottom of the screen, but the stupid B&N shortcut thing gets on my nerves when I'm typing.
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You mean aside from the better Dalvik VM, better battery management, improved UI, improved hardware capabilities (improved camera handling, gyroscope, NFC), improved game API, improved audio API, new media (audio/video) support, and a new linux base kernel? I guess if you don't count those, you still have the new/updated core libraries, updated bluetooth stack, improved text selection, built-in VOIP, and of course, the better keyboard...
Seriously, i mean, really seriously, why would ANYONE have anything against getting the NEWEST OS? All our efforts should be on gingerbread, since it offers the most compared to Froyo. Its not like moving to GB has any shortcomings, so why NOT want it?

I just got my nook color last night - I've found BBuy that had it in stock about 50 miles and drove there - sure enough about 20 were on the shelve - forgot to mention I traveled actually from one state to another (about 50 miles) to get it right of the shelve ... so anyhow, I am happy with "locked" nook color has to offer - I am even more thrilled about rooting it soon and unlocking the full potential. NC here I come

Yeah, a lot of the reviews bemoaned its alleged "doesn't know what it is" status. I've rooted mine, OC'd it, isntalled dozens of apps and games. Yet I still use it primarily to read novels, and do some light web browsing. And for that, it's dead perfect.
In other words, even an unrooted NC is an outstanding gizmo. I mean that screen is just to die for.

I definitely love my Nook. People are always surprised when I tell them it was only $250. Froyo on teh emmc via dd ftw! It's much better than the stock OS.

rjsmith2007 said:
I definitely love my Nook. People are always surprised when I tell them it was only $250. Froyo on teh emmc via dd ftw! It's much better than the stock OS.
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IN regards to emmc Froyo - what about the lag? I guess it may just be my SD card, but every Froyo build i have tried, has been painfully laggy - not slow, but things like gmail can take 1-2 minutes to actually show the mail. The app drawer animations are also oddly slow. Does emmc really make Froyo more usable for you?

Divine_Madcat said:
IN regards to emmc Froyo - what about the lag? I guess it may just be my SD card, but every Froyo build i have tried, has been painfully laggy - not slow, but things like gmail can take 1-2 minutes to actually show the mail. The app drawer animations are also oddly slow. Does emmc really make Froyo more usable for you?
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Oh GOD yes. There is no lag on eMMC. Typing this comment to you on my Froyo'd NC right now

Divine_Madcat said:
You mean aside from the better Dalvik VM, better battery management, improved UI, improved hardware capabilities (improved camera handling, gyroscope, NFC), improved game API, improved audio API, new media (audio/video) support, and a new linux base kernel? I guess if you don't count those, you still have the new/updated core libraries, updated bluetooth stack, improved text selection, built-in VOIP, and of course, the better keyboard...
Seriously, i mean, really seriously, why would ANYONE have anything against getting the NEWEST OS? All our efforts should be on gingerbread, since it offers the most compared to Froyo. Its not like moving to GB has any shortcomings, so why NOT want it?
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No, I agree that Gingerbread has small incremental improvements, but nothing that'd cause me to say screw Froyo, wait for Gingerbread. Especially if Gingerbread on the NC is well off.

khaytsus said:
No, I agree that Gingerbread has small incremental improvements, but nothing that'd cause me to say screw Froyo, wait for Gingerbread. Especially if Gingerbread on the NC is well off.
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I guess what i am thinking - given that Gingerbread is already being worked on, and our Froyo build doesn't actually work that well, why not just move ALL the resources out there to GB, and the most recent right away. Why go incrementally?

Divine_Madcat said:
I guess what i am thinking - given that Gingerbread is already being worked on, and our Froyo build doesn't actually work that well, why not just move ALL the resources out there to GB, and the most recent right away. Why go incrementally?
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I'd agree with that.. If the effort is the same for both, go with Gingerbread. However so far we have Nookie Froyo which is "mostly" there and I haven't heard of Gingerbread on the NC at all.

Just to add how amazing this gadget is I'm typing this comment using SlideIT and it has taken mea fraction of what it used to.
Sent from my rooted Nook Color

khaytsus said:
I'd agree with that.. If the effort is the same for both, go with Gingerbread. However so far we have Nookie Froyo which is "mostly" there and I haven't heard of Gingerbread on the NC at all.
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WEll, there is a gingerbread branch that is being worked on here: https://github.com/fat-tire/android_device_bn_encore
And there is plenty of talk that CM7 is on its way (though, i admit that i still fall into the see it to believe it camp). http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/11127-nook-color/page__st__40
But regardless, the froyo build really isn't that usable - its laggy, market is like sludge, etc. I really think that the devs working on it, should take the froyo lessons, and focus totally on GB. Let froyo be the sandbox for others to learn on, and let GB be the first real OS upgrade for the NC.

Is Honeycomb worth flashing to NC? Running Ultimate Droid on it now

Is Honeycomb worth flashing to NC? Running Ultimate Droid on it now.
I have no issues with UD but I am thinking about HC. But I dont wanna flash it if its gonna be laggy and unstable. Only wanna try it if their is a benefit.

Frankly, anything is better than "Ultimate droid"....

I had UD on my OG droid and now on my NC and never ever a problem with any of his work. Only on my DX i dont cause I like blur.

highflyin128 said:
Is Honeycomb worth flashing to NC? Running Ultimate Droid on it now.
I have no issues with UD but I am thinking about HC. But I dont wanna flash it if its gonna be laggy and unstable. Only wanna try it if their is a benefit.
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I have been running HC (Samuel's emmc flash V2) daily for a couple of weeks. I came from CM7 nightly. I like it because if has more of a tablet feel. It is very stable with few force closes. The stock launcher is awesome. It may be a little slower, but still nice. Matter of fact, it seems to have become more responsive as time goes by. Most of the browsers are laggy. I have found that the stock browser responds well and works best for me. Flash is still an issue. I can play some videos from some web sites, but cant from others. I use mine mainly for email, web browsing and reading. I am content to stay with it until updates come. Be informed, you will more than likely lose CWR if it is installed internally. If so, a bootable SD card will have to be burned.

If you are using Ultimate droid you should use and support CM7 since that is where he is getting the base ROM, although the developer does not give the credit to the CM developers.

painter_ said:
If you are using Ultimate droid you should use and support CM7 since that is where he is getting the base ROM, although the developer does not give the credit to the CM developers.
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uhhhh yeah he does....

grinch247 said:
uhhhh yeah he does....
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Yes, he gives them "credit" for "features", but doesn't say that his code base IS CM7, and that he does nothing more than mod it a bit, and charge for nightlys. UD is a complete bane to this community.

ALOT of roms for NC and phones are based off of Cm to some given extent (i know there are exceptions)...Any people who are into /flash custom roms know this. But people still get all when something is not mentioned...If its a given then does it really need repeated everytime.

highflyin128 said:
ALOT of roms for NC and phones are based off of Cm to some given extent (i know there are exceptions)...Any people who are into /flash custom roms know this. But people still get all when something is not mentioned...If its a given then does it really need repeated everytime.
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agree 100%
now to get back to what was asked in the 1st place...as far as I know/read...its still somewhat laggy/buggy....but do a back up and try for yourself

grinch247 said:
agree 100%
now to get back to what was asked in the 1st place...as far as I know/read...its still somewhat laggy/buggy....but do I back up and try for yourself
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Thanks for the input... I think I might just stay put. Working youtube and video would be nice but I dont wanna go to Froyo.

Is Nook Color in Limbo, or are we at the cusp?

Is Nook Color in Limbo, or are we at the cusp of something new?
I hope development for the Nook Color has not stagnated. Are we waiting for the new kernel or is there just nothing new on the horizon?
I am just wondering because I have been watching and waiting and it appears development has slowed up for the time being. Not implying anything, just looking to see if something new and wonderful is on the horizon???
I was so looking forward to Honeycomb and it seems Google has pulled the rug out from under us in some back room deal.
Hopeful
migrax

What are you talking about? In limbo? Bluetooth, recent video fixes, new overclocked kernels, work on the next coming edition of kernel to prevent SOD. Man, you must be out of the loop or really impatient.

The Release Candidate of CM7 came out recently. That means a final release is eminent. That final release should include all these awesome tablet tweaks:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002000
I don't know why you say development is slowing down. I have been flashing a new ROM everyday thanks to mad-murdock!

Im sorry, but what ARE you talking about? In the last month, both hardware accelleration for video and bluetooth were turned on. CM7 has reached release candidate stage, and our devs have said that work is progressing on both a newer kernel version, as well as fixes to the few remaining bugs. Maybe you should actually read some of those nifty development threads around here...
If i am coming off as rude... perhaps that is the intent. There are so many needless threads like this, where some reading and critcal thinking could answer alot of questions. I mean.. developent stopped? As it is, things are ramping up, and a quick read of the forum would show that. Add in the constant misleading talk about what the nook can and can't do, and it is rather frustrating. So yeah, I am venting, but i think it is well deserved.

On the contrary, I think that things are happening real fast. CM7 is heading for a stable release, Mad Murdock's tablet tweaks are a real innovation, as are brianf21's froyo status bar improvements, and real progress is being made in the kernel area - blue tooth, hardware acceleration, etc.
What more can we ask for?

only HC is at a minor hump, the rest are busy, and b&n update is dropping soon. you crazy!

had to chime in to see what the op is smoking...
cm7: hardware video acceleration, tablet tweaks, bluetooth, kernel mods.
froyo: status bar tweaks, 'nookie-comb' looks nice, new official rom coming soon
honeycomb: who cares. google screwed that one up so we wait for IC.

Honestly, right now I'm in limbo about WHICH custom, daily updated, feature rich build to use !
Rooted Stock is good enough for what I do, but then a few games didn't work... so i went to froyo... then tried CM7... then a custom froyo, then another CM7... (and a few hardlocks and flash to stocks in between)..
At this point i just want a "1.0" release of CM7, or for HC to become available... although i'm sure the weeks following HC will be daily build after daily build.
p.s. kinda jealous about the $300 Tegra2 tablet floating around.

Divine_Madcat said:
Im sorry, but what ARE you talking about? In the last month, both hardware accelleration for video and bluetooth were turned on. CM7 has reached release candidate stage, and our devs have said that work is progressing on both a newer kernel version, as well as fixes to the few remaining bugs. Maybe you should actually read some of those nifty development threads around here...
If i am coming off as rude... perhaps that is the intent. There are so many needless threads like this, where some reading and critcal thinking could answer alot of questions. I mean.. developent stopped? As it is, things are ramping up, and a quick read of the forum would show that. Add in the constant misleading talk about what the nook can and can't do, and it is rather frustrating. So yeah, I am venting, but i think it is well deserved.
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What madcat said
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roflmao
You want limbo?
My new Droid 2 Global has just one rom which works with global sim capability- flashed it shortly after I got it and no updates since.
Another crew did get D2 roms working on the D2G but no sim card use.
Nothing for months now...
My original DROID has more development work going on than THAT!
The NC has been fairly exciting as far as dev work since Christmas and the last month has been incredible...
I even saw a post fairly recently that leads me to think some folks are working on USB host.... Crossing my fingers on that one.
The last two weeks we have even had a guy working on tweaks for tablets that pretty much makes Honeycomb's issues irrelevant as far as I am concerned.
I'd say that is pretty good.

Sorry, not the intended result.
I guess I am waiting for BN to come out with Android 2.2, I wasn't denegrating all the hard work that has gone on here. A couple of developments have kinda skewed my perceptions, one of which is Honeycomb source being yanked, and the other is of course the expected update from BN not materializing yet... I guess I am getting a little impatient. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I am using Nookie Froyo at the moment and it is working, however I really liked Stock 1.1.0. but with the NC using Android 2.1 I can't do some things I'd like to do. It just seems to me that BN is dragging their feet. Hence my concerns.

As I understood your original post you are waiting for the official 2.2, not a developer build.
The last rumor that I heard (from these forums) was that it was to go out this month. (but that was a rumor)

Not really sure why people are flaming the OP so hard. Besides CM7 nook color development has practically stopped dead in its tracks. HC is stuck, froyo has been dead for a while.
So i can see how it seems that way unless you watch CM7 development it does look very dead. CM7 is usable enough that froyo is not really relevant and with googles decision to not open source HC means its pretty much dead in the water.

Actually with Tablet Tweaks, CM7 is still seeing updates almost every day. And there's I believe an Experimental Kernel hiding in the CM7 User Thread which seems to have cleaned up the Battery Life on CM7.
As far as the official 2.2 update... Who needs it when you've got CM7? I mean, even if it does come out and we nooter it, it's still not going to do everything that CM7's custom rom can.
HoneyComb, yeah it sucks that it's not coming out right away. And I was pretty upset myself, but with tablets coming out (with similar prices to the nook) that have HC already... I can wait.

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Not really sure why people are flaming the OP so hard. Besides CM7 nook color development has practically stopped dead in its tracks. HC is stuck, froyo has been dead for a while.
So i can see how it seems that way unless you watch CM7 development it does look very dead. CM7 is usable enough that froyo is not really relevant and with googles decision to not open source HC means its pretty much dead in the water.
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Why waste any more time (right now) on anything BUT CM7? I mean, yes, Froyo and Eclair are dead in the water, but that is good; it just means all the devs are working on the best system we have. When HC source drops, i expect most work on CM7 to dry up, and again move to the better OS.
So yes, dev is on one OS right now, but my oh my, what sweet dev it is. If you call that stagnation, you are crazy..

I'm eager for the bn update just because I like to actually us my nook as an ereader rather than just a tablet. I'm a big fan of the mags and the kid books. Besides, I get my cm7 fix on my dinc.
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Gin1212 said:
Actually with Tablet Tweaks, CM7 is still seeing updates almost every day. And there's I believe an Experimental Kernel hiding in the CM7 User Thread which seems to have cleaned up the Battery Life on CM7.
As far as the official 2.2 update... Who needs it when you've got CM7? I mean, even if it does come out and we nooter it, it's still not going to do everything that CM7's custom rom can.
HoneyComb, yeah it sucks that it's not coming out right away. And I was pretty upset myself, but with tablets coming out (with similar prices to the nook) that have HC already... I can wait.
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if you know of such a kernel can you link to it?
Also if stock goes to 2.2 and gives us all ability to play flash and the extr speed improvements of a JIT compiler ad can then be nootered and overclocked, why would one need CM7? This way you also get the ui from B&N which includes built in back and menu buttons. It also includes the full B&N experience for reading magazines subscriptions books......You los that on custom Roms.
So while I laud the Devs work, getting nook color to froyo might make much of their work unnecessary, unless it gives them a better platform to make the NC even better.

Unless the stock update brings bluetooth, CM7 will always be better. Sure, i guess there are some people that want the ereader functionality, but there are those the enjoy better hardware functionality.
Not to mention, i guess i am one of few, but i really hated B&N's framework modifications, and really enjoy a stock Android UI..

Divine_Madcat said:
Unless the stock update brings bluetooth, CM7 will always be better. Sure, i guess there are some people that want the ereader functionality, but there are those the enjoy better hardware functionality.
Not to mention, i guess i am one of few, but i really hated B&N's framework modifications, and really enjoy a stock Android UI..
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I really hope someone manages to port over the slick reader app from stock to CM7.
I like reading on my nook but not at the cost of such horrible performance in everything else.

Divine_Madcat said:
Unless the stock update brings bluetooth, CM7 will always be better. Sure, i guess there are some people that want the ereader functionality, but there are those the enjoy better hardware functionality.
Not to mention, i guess i am one of few, but i really hated B&N's framework modifications, and really enjoy a stock Android UI..
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Bluetooth works awful at best.
Regular headset doesn't work and range is a foot.
So far most people have keyboard trouble. Seems ext. bluettoh gps seems to be the best bet. So for me a stock rom with all the current missing goodies fixed with nooter and o/c?
I'd be happy.
Outside of bluetooth, if you had fully supported 2.2 on your device so hardware accel video and flash worked perfectly and yet you still had the B&N experience when you wanted it for free instore reading and subscriptions .....what else would you really want?

Best Version of Honeycomb Port

Who in anyone’s opinion makes the best Honeycomb port for the Nook Color?
I know CM7 is out there and I use it for my phone, I think it’s awesome on my phone and will probably be great on the Nook as well.
Are their any other good ports for 2.3 or especially 3.0?

Right now, we have:
an official CM7 rom.
and HC rom from madcat & deeper blue.
I am endlessly happy that we have such awesome devs working on so few roms. I got sick of the G1 threads blowing up with roms that tended to break more things than they fixed.
Just look for the most recently updated threads in the dev section.
HC is based of sdk, btw.

ace7196 said:
Right now, we have:
an official CM7 rom.
and HC rom from madcat & deeper blue.
I am endlessly happy that we have such awesome devs working on so few roms. I got sick of the G1 threads blowing up with roms that tended to break more things than they fixed.
Just look for the most recently updated threads in the dev section.
HC is based of sdk, btw.
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Do you prefer one to the other? I was looking to install Honeycomb any advice one which one is most preferable?

IMO since BC is not officially released, you will always be dealing with a not fully ready version. The dev's are doing great work with it but it is not a daily driver unlike cm7
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Do you prefer one to the other? I was looking to install Honeycomb any advice one which one is most preferable?
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I would stick with CM7.

CM7 all the way. HC is amazing for what they have to work with, but for daily driver, cm7 is awesome. Wait for the next nightly, and all will be well

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CM7 all the way. HC is amazing for what they have to work with, but for daily driver, cm7 is awesome. Wait for the next nightly, and all will be well
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Why, what's happening in the next nightly, something new?

myers022 said:
Why, what's happening in the next nightly, something new?
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Yes do tell.

I Am Marino said:
Yes do tell.
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Yeah. Seems the more recent nightlies are having trouble with wifi. Should be fixed.
Also, so everyone is on the same page, the bootloader will be flashed as well, so that should help a lot of people out.
Also audio and video hiccups will be fixed.
It's all here. Bookmark and read along!
http://cm-nightlies.appspot.com/?device=encore

I liked DB's HC version, and the version before the recent release of madcat's where the SD card stopped working personally, I couldn't get used to the softkeys from the other versions.

I'd like to echo the responses above that suggest sticking with CM7 as a daily driver for now. HC is coming along nicely, and I do install the latest on an SD card every now and then to check out the progress, but it's really not "done" enough to use every day. CM7 is. The occasional nightly hiccup aside, it's definitely feature-complete enough for daily use.

ace7196 said:
Yeah. Seems the more recent nightlies are having trouble with wifi. Should be fixed.
Also, so everyone is on the same page, the bootloader will be flashed as well, so that should help a lot of people out.
Also audio and video hiccups will be fixed.
It's all here. Bookmark and read along!
http://cm-nightlies.appspot.com/?device=encore
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so its cm_encore_full-86.zip that has all these issues fixed? thanks

nolook said:
so its cm_encore_full-86.zip that has all these issues fixed? thanks
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Theoretically, yes......However it is still a "nightly" build and hasn't been labeled as stable....Some things could be fixed and other stuff could have broken in the process (don't know that's the case, just saying it's a possibilty.)

Thoughts on switching from HCv4 to CM7?

I'm curious what anyone who has had experience with both thinks about switching from HCv4 to CM7. I've read some of the previous posts on the subject, but it looked like most replies were back in February, so now that we're at the end of 2011, any thoughts?
I've been using HCv4 for about as long as it has been out, and it runs very, very well in my opinion. But since development seems to have died, and now ICS is maybe going to make HC development DOA, until ICS comes to the Color Nook I was thinking of checking around for alternatives.
I've seen that CM7 seems to be very popular, so is it currently the most compatible and fully functional Android version that runs on the NC? Is it better all the way around now than HCv4? Have the video and audio problems been worked out, or are there other drawbacks? Any suggestions will be appreciated.
-JTT

jttraverse said:
I'm curious what anyone who has had experience with both thinks about switching from HCv4 to CM7. I've read some of the previous posts on the subject, but it looked like most replies were back in February, so now that we're at the end of 2011, any thoughts?
I've been using HCv4 for about as long as it has been out, and it runs very, very well in my opinion. But since development seems to have died, and now ICS is maybe going to make HC development DOA, until ICS comes to the Color Nook I was thinking of checking around for alternatives.
I've seen that CM7 seems to be very popular, so is it currently the most compatible and fully functional Android version that runs on the NC? Is it better all the way around now than HCv4? Have the video and audio problems been worked out, or are there other drawbacks? Any suggestions will be appreciated.
-JTT
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CM7 is actually usable unlike HC. Yes basically all issues have been squashed. I suggest you switch ASAP. No point using dead, and incomplete software.
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The main reason that it has no report/response since Feb is 'cuz nobody else uses it (a little exaggeration) except you and some others, very minor. Did I love HC, heck yes, beautiful GUI, I'd tried both HCv4 and 2 others (forgot from who), honestly, beautiful, but that's about it.
Since Feb til now, when ICS is being developed, I'm surprise that here and there, still people asking about HC.
CM7 - Gingerbread (full support)
CM8 - Honeycomb (die before born)
CM9 - Ice Cream Sandwich (in labor)

As the author of one of the ports, it still baffles me that people are using the darn thing. It was designed as an experiment, and honestly never expected for real use (without the hc source). Any remning users ould go to cm7 post haste, and hang in there for cm9 to roll aound..

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As the author of one of the ports, it still baffles me that people are using the darn thing. It was designed as an experiment, and honestly never expected for real use (without the hc source). Any remning users ould go to cm7 post haste, and hang in there for cm9 to roll aound..
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You know why? 'cuz the one you've made, I believe the entire HC image file, was so beauty, seeing the GUI, honestly I didn't want to go back to CM7 but like I said, that's about it.

Yeoouch..
Hmmm, I guess I feel chastised for still using the Honeycomb SDK hack on my color Nook, but honestly, it has worked very well. Though I'm not living and dying by what I can or can't do with my Nook, it's been plenty usable while waiting for a better, cleaner, faster version of something to come along. 99% of the apps I've tried have worked, and the few that haven't have not been missed enough to change to a different mod just for them. So I'll grit my teeth and just say thanks to anyone who contributed to the HCv4 version I've been using.
I may try CM7, if only because I like knowing what my options are, and because I may give the thing as a gift to my daughter, who won't want to mess with a kludged version of Honeycomb. It's the eReader apps and their functionality that matters most at the moment, and I don't think that will matter whether I'm on CM7 or HCv4.
eh, I wish ICS was already out...
-JTT