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Stuck in Hboot. Can't access recovery. Help?

GSM SLCD Nexus One
Hboot 0.35.0017
S-On
Locked Bootloader
Somehow I managed to get stuck here, I'm still not sure how. If I had to guess it would be the bootmanager application, although I haven't used it since this morning.
I really would like to keep the bootloader locked if at all possible. The phone was rooted before.
I figured I could just flash a recovery that's signed (hboot signature verification fails on cwm and amon_ra, via fastboot) but I can't for the life of me find one.
In the bootloader, I click on recovery, shows the n1 splashscreen briefly, then sends me to fastboot.
Thanks for the help.

You won't be able to put a custom recovery on there without unlocking the bootloader or reseting your phone. If you are really wanting to keep the bootloader intact, the easiest thing would be to do the PASSIMG method. Have a look in the wiki and it will explain everything to you. Then once you get back into Android, root the phone before it updates to Gingerbread and then install ROM Manager to get your custom recovery back.

I actually just ended up unlocking it and using fastboot to put a new recovery on it. I didn't know about the PASSIMG method. Thanks for your response anyway though.

[Q] lost root after 2.3.6 update

hi there every one i updated my nexus one to 2.3.6 (GRK39F) from stock 2.3.4 (GRJ22) sorry but i did not read the post for to upgrade and keep root before upgrading to 2.3.6 and now i am suffering and thought it is not a good idea to post a question there so posting here
my problem is when i upgraded 2.3.6 i was rooted and had clockworkmod recovery image and i had a backup from rom manager as well but before upgrade i wiped the partition and cache and after upgrade i dont have SUPER USER permission nor the clockworkmod recovery tried to flash su.zip from sd card but no luck please can anyone help me get my root back pleaseeeee i need help ....

You'll have to passimg back to an earlier version of Froyo, root, restore your backup, and then flash the update and su zip...

danger-rat said:
You'll have to passimg back to an earlier version of Froyo, root, restore your backup, and then flash the update and su zip...
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Thankyou very much danger-rat really appriciate your help but today was a bit lucky day for me
I tried to flash a recovery image through ADB and then it went well and then flashed the su.zip from sdcard that gave me superuser permission again thanks again for your help
@0mpranav

No need to flash the system partition, no need to use ADB, just flash Superboot:
Code:
https://bexton.net/2011/09/24/root-access-for-nexus-one-on-android-2-3-6-grk39f-superboot/

If your bootloader is unlocked all you have to do is reboot into fastboot mode. Flash a custom recovery such as RA or CWM, reboot directly into revovery and flash su.zip or whatever flash zip you used to root your device before. Reboot and you are rooted once again.
The following thread has a step by step how to do it. It's fast and easy.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1019759

jboxer said:
If your bootloader is unlocked all you have to do is reboot into fastboot mode. Flash a custom recovery such as RA or CWM, reboot directly into revovery and flash su.zip or whatever flash zip you used to root your device before. Reboot and you are rooted once again.
The following thread has a step by step how to do it. It's fast and easy.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1019759
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Yup. This is the way every one should be doing it. It's sort of the whole point of the Nexus One. It has an unlockable bootloader.

GldRush98 said:
Yup. This is the way every one should be doing it. It's sort of the whole point of the Nexus One. It has an unlockable bootloader.
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I have purchased two second hand Nexus Ones. The first thing I did after receiving them and charging the battery was to reboot into fastboot mode and issue "fastboot oem unlock" command. Since they were purchased second hadn I didn't thing I had a warranty anyway so unlocking the bootloader seemed to be a non brainer.

GldRush98 said:
Yup. This is the way every one should be doing it. It's sort of the whole point of the Nexus One. It has an unlockable bootloader.
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Will any version of su.zip, and fastbook.zip work? What about recovery-RA-passion-v2.2.1.img? or should we be using a different version?
If we should be using different versions of those, could you link to where we could get them?
I've had my Nexus one half-rooted since 2.3 came out, and I haven't been able to root it back.

why mess with 2.3.6 just use oxygen 2.3.7...

kuljit55 said:
why mess with 2.3.6 just use oxygen 2.3.7...
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I'm sorry I have no idea what that is. I don't even know if its helpful at all. Again, I don't even have root, or a custom recovery. Presently, I have an unlocked bootloader, ADB on my PC, and a half-rooted nexus one from before 2.3.
I have absolutely no idea how to do anything presently, and when someone tells me that trying to root on 2.3.6 is futile and to just use a custom update, it doesn't make any more sense to me.
Care to elaborate past one line that doesn't help at all? Hell when using shell commands through adb, it keeps on saying "permission denied" any time I type in su.

You have an unlocked bootloader, so flash a custom recovery via fastboot, and use the custom recovery to flash the su zip...

danger-rat said:
You have an unlocked bootloader, so flash a custom recovery via fastboot, and use the custom recovery to flash the su zip...
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Thanks Danger-rat. Although I know you said nothing different that what was already said in this thread, I figured that since you didn't give me specific info about whether or not there were multiple versions of su.zip or fastboot.zip, I figured I should take that as a "No.", so I went for it. All re-rooted now.
I appreciate the help.
EDIT: So if you are as new to this stuff as I am, anyone else who's reading-
You can DL su.zip from http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...ZxOuf9Kw_URvtvh9Q&sig2=Hj72LDNoiBq2Zoa4QquZWQ
and fastboot.zip from http://www.mediafire.com/?ttdkgamud3j
and amon Ra 2.2.1 from http://files.androidspin.com/downloads.php?dir=amon_ra/RECOVERY/&file=recovery-RA-passion-v2.2.1.img
then follow the directions here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1019759
** Note: again, these are for people who have unlocked bootloaders. For that info, you'll have to go elsewhere, but it should be readily available, such as this stuff is. I'm just linking it again because I know how frustrating it can be for people like me who aren't too well versed in rooting/unlocking yet.

Downgrade 2.3.6 to 2.2.2 - Nexus One
Problem:
I would like to downgrade my Nexus One to 2.2.2, because I've had non-stop problems with Gingerbread.
So I've gone through the Bootloader -> Recovery -> apply sdcard:update.zip steps, and it fails. This begs the question, how do I go from 2.3.6 to 2.2.2?
Fix:
Generally, phone manufacturers will not allow you to downgrade for various reasons. The stock recovery does indeed validate the update image, so that it's of a greater (or same) version than the installed system. With the Nexus One being a developer phone, you can unlock the bootloader and replace the recovery image with the one that doesn't perform this check, and will allow installation of any image. The caveat is that unlocking the bootloader voids your warranty with the carrier (and sometimes the manufacturer too,) and wipes all user data off the device.
Unlocking the N1 is dead easy. Just install Android SDK and the USB drivers (located in "google-usb_driver" directory.) Then restart the phone in bootloader mode by shutting it off and powering on while holding down the trackball, hook it up to the computer via USB, and in command prompt issue the following command: C:\<path to Android SDK>\tools\fastboot oem unlock. You will be presented with a confirmation screen with further instructions. Upon successful unlock, you can flash a custom recovery that will allow you to install any custom ROM, including downgrade to 2.2.x stock version of Android OS.
To flash ClockworkMod recovery, download the latest version for Nexus One from here, reboot into bootloader mode (power on while holding the trackball down,) and in command prompt issue command C:\<path to ANdroid SDK>\tools\fastboot flash recovery C:\<path to downloaded img>\recovery-clockwork-3.0.0.5-passion.img
Reboot to bootloader mode again, and then use the Volume keys to highlight the "Recovery" option and press Power button. You are now in ClockworkMod recovery, and can flash any custom ROMs via the "Install zip from sdcard" option.
Here is a "stock" 2.2.2 ROM (with root) off XDA-developers forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=927935
source:http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/13933/downgrade-2-3-6-to-2-2-2-nexus-one
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vivid can not install stock recovery

Can someone help? I have HTC vivid which was rooted and had cwm recovery,I try to update
Butt I can because after installing the ice hboot I try to install cwm recovery to get the stock
Recovery but nothing.I enter the hboot but when I go to recovery the phone it shows a icon like
Hd drive and it is restarting after 30 to 40 second .I reflashed the the file but nothing.the phone
Is locked and very strange it does not show locked but relocked.I do not want to flash the ruu
Directly because I had costum recovery and I do not want to brick my phone.so can someone help?
Please.
The phone is an att USA phone.

dhionisis said:
Can someone help? I have HTC vivid which was rooted and had cwm recovery,I try to update
Butt I can because after installing the ice hboot I try to install cwm recovery to get the stock
Recovery but nothing.I enter the hboot but when I go to recovery the phone it shows a icon like
Hd drive and it is restarting after 30 to 40 second .I reflashed the the file but nothing.the phone
Is locked and very strange it does not show locked but relocked.I do not want to flash the ruu
Directly because I had costum recovery and I do not want to brick my phone.so can someone help?
Please.
The phone is an att USA phone.
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If you are relocked you will have to unlock again to flash a custom recovery, kernel, and rom. Also, this should have been posted in the general thread.

stock rom
No I am looking to flash the att stock room no costum rom or recovery.I want the stock
Recovery and stock att ics rom.and when I try to unlock
The phone get stock I select yes and press the power button butt nothing happens
The phone freeze and does not respond no matter what I do.so I have
To remove the battery and insert again to start the phone and it only
Goes to hboot.

Did you relock your bootloader by HTCdev before attempting any of this? If not, then all you have to do is boot into fastboot and input the command:
fastboot oem relock
Afterwards just run the RUU.

Dev's move this to general... wrong section buddy next time put it in the General area not development
And cruzin_cruzing's post should help you

stock rom
The phone is locked and I flash ruu butt now I have more serious problem.
The phone is stock at HTC logo with triangle on each corner.I try to.
Reflash nothing it goes up to 34% and it get stock there.

HTC Raider (Bell Mobility) OTA and Root

I recently got my HTC Raider 4G LTE at Bell and I was wondering if I could root after I do the official OTA download to Android 4.0 and HTC Sense 3.6. Currently, it is brand new out of the box so that would mean locked bootloader, unrooted, and S-ON.
I know how to get the bootloader unlocked if that is necessary.
Could I root first, and then do the official update, and still keep the root? Or should I update first, and then root (if that is possible)?
What should I do? I basically want the simplest way to get root (but it would be nice to also get the update but I don't care too much about it).
Also, do I need to get S-OFF? Again, I am looking for the simplest/best way to get root on my device, so I can get custom roms and stuff.
I have tried Vivid All In One Kit 2.2 but when I try to install SuperSU.zip in ClockWorkMod Recovery, I get "installation aborted". I don't think I did it right though... I created a .zip file, named it SuperSU, and basically copy/pasted the SuperSU folder that was in the toolkit.
I have also had a glimpse of the superguide in vivid android development but I think I need S-OFF... Is the superguide the best way to do this? Could some people show me some examples or solve for why I can't get root? Most of the links that I have seen are for the HTC Vivid. I'm sure they should work but I just want to make sure since I am using a Canadian HTC Raider (Bell).

First things first, run the RUU to get the ICS hboot/ROM. You can find it here. Make sure you do the right ICS one for your carrier. Then go ahead and do steps 1 and 4 from the superguide. That will essentially give you the rooted stock ICS ROM. S-OFF is not absolutely necessary. All you need to do is manually flash the kernel before flashing the ROM EVERY time you want a new ROM. All S-OFF does is make you able to flash recovery and kernel from the recovery. So that means when you flash a ROM, it is automatically able to flash the kernel as well. I am still S-ON though, it just adds the small step of manually flashing the kernel.

Why do I need to run the RUU?
I assume RUU gets me hboot access, official ICS (Android 4.0 or something) and HTC Sense 3.6? and step 4 gets basically gets root
Couldn't I just officially update the device OTA or with a connection, and then do something to get hboot, and then root?
Or do you think it would be much simpler to to run RUU?
So far, I have unlocked the bootloader via HTCdev (step 1) and have clockworkmod recovery which I got with the toolkit.
Also, when I hold volume down and power button, I believe it fastboots without giving me any options. I can only get to clockworkmod recovery and what I believe is hboot (where I can see whether or not the bootloader is unlocked or locked, S-ON or S-OFF, and get options for boot) by using the toolkit (or by typing in the adb commands).

Kurty007 said:
Why do I need to run the RUU?
I assume RUU gets me hboot access, official ICS (Android 4.0 or something) and HTC Sense 3.6? and step 4 gets basically gets root
Couldn't I just officially update the device OTA or with a connection, and then do something to get hboot, and then root?
Or do you think it would be much simpler to to run RUU?
So far, I have unlocked the bootloader via HTCdev (step 1) and have clockworkmod recovery which I got with the toolkit.
Also, when I hold volume down and power button, I believe it fastboots without giving me any options. I can only get to clockworkmod recovery and what I believe is hboot (where I can see whether or not the bootloader is unlocked or locked, S-ON or S-OFF, and get options for boot) by using the toolkit (or by typing in the adb commands).
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OTA, RUU, PH zip will all not work because you have an unlocked bootloader. Re-lock the bootloader first. The RUU is just about the easiest way to get stock ICS and it updates the HBOOT by itself. After the RUU, unlock the bootloader once again (step 1) and then perm root (step 4).

slapshot30 said:
OTA, RUU, PH zip will all not work because you have an unlocked bootloader. Re-lock the bootloader first. The RUU is just about the easiest way to get stock ICS and it updates the HBOOT by itself. After the RUU, unlock the bootloader once again (step 1) and then perm root (step 4).
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Thank you so much! I now have Android 4.0.3, HTC Sense 3.6, and root access

I have a rogers raider its updated to ics by ota then I unlocked bootloader. And used vivid all in one and have cwm recovery on my phone. I tried to perma root but it didn't stick because it was still stock Rom. So who can I use holics without s-off?
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jbplumbing.ca said:
I have a rogers raider its updated to ics by ota then I unlocked bootloader. And used vivid all in one and have cwm recovery on my phone. I tried to perma root but it didn't stick because it was still stock Rom. So who can I use holics without s-off?
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If you want stock root then follow step 4 in the guide in my signature. To flash ROMs without S-OFF takes an extra step. Every time you want to flash a new ROM, you need to flash the matching kernel beforehand. Use the guide in my signature to learn how to flash a kernel.
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4) Perm-Root your device (WildChild)
- Turn off your phone, turn it back on my holding power + volume down
- Use the volume rocker and power button to select fastboot
- Connect your phone to your PC
- Inside the WCXJB ROOT PACK, click shift + right click and select "Open command window here"
- Enter in these commands without the quotes
- "fastboot flash recovery wcxrecovery.img"
- Now you can boot up your phone
- Download and put Vivid_CWM_Root_VER2 zip file on root of internal sdcard (aka NOT in any folders)
- Boot into H-Boot like you did before (turn off phone, turn back on holding power + vol down), and use the volume rockers to go to "recovery" and press the power button to select it
- Select "install zip from sdcard"
- Select the VIVID_CWM_ROOT_VER2.zip through recovery and then reboot your phone
- You are now rooted and I recommend flashing a matching kernel + ROM for root to stick
So this will give me stock rogers Rom but rooted? And can I just flash VIVID_CWM_ROOT_VER2.ZIP FROM recovery because I already have custom recovery?
Or do I still need to go through the steps. Thanks for your patience.
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jbplumbing.ca said:
4) Perm-Root your device (WildChild)
- Turn off your phone, turn it back on my holding power + volume down
- Use the volume rocker and power button to select fastboot
- Connect your phone to your PC
- Inside the WCXJB ROOT PACK, click shift + right click and select "Open command window here"
- Enter in these commands without the quotes
- "fastboot flash recovery wcxrecovery.img"
- Now you can boot up your phone
- Download and put Vivid_CWM_Root_VER2 zip file on root of internal sdcard (aka NOT in any folders)
- Boot into H-Boot like you did before (turn off phone, turn back on holding power + vol down), and use the volume rockers to go to "recovery" and press the power button to select it
- Select "install zip from sdcard"
- Select the VIVID_CWM_ROOT_VER2.zip through recovery and then reboot your phone
- You are now rooted and I recommend flashing a matching kernel + ROM for root to stick
So this will give me stock rogers Rom but rooted? And can I just flash VIVID_CWM_ROOT_VER2.ZIP FROM recovery because I already have custom recovery?
Or do I still need to go through the steps. Thanks for your patience.
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Yea, pretty much all you need to do is flash that VIVID_CWM_ROOT zip in recovery and it should yield root if you are on the stock ROM with unlocked bootloader. If it doesn't give root the first time, try flashing it a couple more times.

Recovery
I seem to have a problem getting into recovery (CWM). Whenever I turn my device off and try to turn it back on by holding power and volume down, it fastboots instantly when I let go without giving me any options. I have downloaded Rom Manager flashed CWM but when I tried to reboot into recovery, it gets stuck at the HTC sign. The only way I had accessed bootloader or recovery early was thanks to the toolkit. Any way I can fix this so I can go to recovery anytime I want without connecting to PC?

Kurty007 said:
I seem to have a problem getting into recovery (CWM). Whenever I turn my device off and try to turn it back on by holding power and volume down, it fastboots instantly when I let go without giving me any options. I have downloaded Rom Manager flashed CWM but when I tried to reboot into recovery, it gets stuck at the HTC sign. The only way I had accessed bootloader or recovery early was thanks to the toolkit. Any way I can fix this so I can go to recovery anytime I want without connecting to PC?
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Sounds like an odd issue. I've been using WCX recovery ever since it came out with zero issues. Maybe try flashing that one. (If you do, flash it two or three times so it gets rid of cwm).
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slapshot30 said:
Yea, pretty much all you need to do is flash that VIVID_CWM_ROOT zip in recovery and it should yield root if you are on the stock ROM with unlocked bootloader. If it doesn't give root the first time, try flashing it a couple more times.
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Will Root stick with the stock rom or do I have to flash custom for root to stick?

jbplumbing.ca said:
Will Root stick with the stock rom or do I have to flash custom for root to stick?
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Should stick after flashing that zip.
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Kurty007 said:
I seem to have a problem getting into recovery (CWM). Whenever I turn my device off and try to turn it back on by holding power and volume down, it fastboots instantly when I let go without giving me any options. I have downloaded Rom Manager flashed CWM but when I tried to reboot into recovery, it gets stuck at the HTC sign. The only way I had accessed bootloader or recovery early was thanks to the toolkit. Any way I can fix this so I can go to recovery anytime I want without connecting to PC?
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Hm... I've been hearing odd things happening with that recovery. Does your PC still recognize your phone? If it does, then you should be alright. I would suggest re-locking the bootloader and running the stock ICS RUU for your carrier (this is all in my guide titled "back to stock"). After that run steps 1 and 4 from my guide if all you want is stock root. Basically all it is is unlock bootloader > flash WCX recovery > perm root.

Kurty007 said:
I seem to have a problem getting into recovery (CWM). Whenever I turn my device off and try to turn it back on by holding power and volume down, it fastboots instantly when I let go without giving me any options. I have downloaded Rom Manager flashed CWM but when I tried to reboot into recovery, it gets stuck at the HTC sign. The only way I had accessed bootloader or recovery early was thanks to the toolkit. Any way I can fix this so I can go to recovery anytime I want without connecting to PC?
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I have also have problem with CWM recovery. I used a different recovery method (using slapshot's sticky).
It seems more stable and it didn't give me CWM re-looping problem.
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Prolab said:
I have also have problem with CWM recovery. I used a different recovery method (using slapshot's sticky).
It seems more stable and it didn't give me CWM re-looping problem.
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So did you just flash the WCXJB ROOT PACK over CWM to fix the problems? or did you have to re-install stock using the RUU and start over?

Kurty007 said:
So did you just flash the WCXJB ROOT PACK over CWM to fix the problems? or did you have to re-install stock using the RUU and start over?
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Cleanest way would be start over with relock bootloader, RUU, then steps 1 and 4 from my guide if you don't need s off. You could try just flashing over WCX recovery though, but it probably won't clean all the old stuff out from CWM.
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slapshot30 said:
Cleanest way would be start over with relock bootloader, RUU, then steps 1 and 4 from my guide if you don't need s off. You could try just flashing over WCX recovery though, but it probably won't clean all the old stuff out from CWM.
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Thank you so much!! It fixed all the problems and it now works perfectly

Kurty007 said:
Thank you so much!! It fixed all the problems and it now works perfectly
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Glad it all worked out.

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Glad it all worked out.
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My HTC raider is from Rogers and is S-on. I flash custom ROM on it but it is 2.3.6 vision. I want update to higher version of Android such as 4.0. So i need relock the bootloader but problem is I couldn't find the stock rogers' ROM. The link you post doesn't work anymore.
Is there somewhere I can download one? Thank you very much.

Htc bricked afetr lollipop update

my htc m7 got bricked and stuck in a bootloop after two days of being OTA updated to lollipop, knowing that it's S-on and bootloader locked, now when i try to unlock it through HTCDEv everything goes well but when the phone reboots it would still be locked and won't enter recovery! and when trying to flash a stock firmware instead of rebooting to bootloader (fastboot oem rebootRUU) the phone would reboot to system and stuck in boot loop, any solution to flash the phone back to normal?

If you are using Clockwork Mod, then there should be a way to get back into the rom flash option. Go into your "Power/Volume Down" page, and look for the option to flash from zip. Find the zip you used when ORIGINALLY flashing to your custom rom. Do not try to go to stock at first, work your way backwards. If you can get back to the working custom rom, from there you can use on screen functions to repair the phone back to stock.

yakie47 said:
my htc m7 got bricked and stuck in a bootloop after two days of being OTA updated to lollipop, knowing that it's S-on and bootloader locked, now when i try to unlock it through HTCDEv everything goes well but when the phone reboots it would still be locked and won't enter recovery! and when trying to flash a stock firmware instead of rebooting to bootloader (fastboot oem rebootRUU) the phone would reboot to system and stuck in boot loop, any solution to flash the phone back to normal?
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Looks like you are having firmware or hardware issue. We often see this problem (not being able to unlock the bootloader) when the phone was relocked with a custom recovery still installed. But it doesn't seem to be your case since your phone is s-on and locked unless you tell me that you did re-locked the bootloader with a custom recovery installed...
Unfortunately the only walk around for this issue is to flash the same version stock firmware.zip in ruu mode which is not accessible in your case.
Why you can't access the ruu mode, I really don't know, it might confirm an firmware issue, maybe with the bootloader. Your not the first one stuck in that situation (not unlockable + ruu mode broken), its not common but you are not the first.
Btw is your phone a GPE or Sense variant? GPE variant have a well known bug which will prevent the bootloader to be unlocked. Does not apply to Sense variants.
I'm afraid there is nothing to do if you can't unlock or access ruu mode. Maybe a jtag repair could work or you'll have to send it for repair.
Sorry
ethanvallivue said:
If you are using Clockwork Mod, then there should be a way to get back into the rom flash option.
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OP said he was bootloader locked so he can't use a custom recovery.
Go into your "Power/Volume Down" page, and look for the option to flash from zip.
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There is no such option for HTC devices. To flash stock zip on the M7 you must access RUU mode, OP said RUU mode is broken...
Find the zip you used when ORIGINALLY flashing to your custom rom. Do not try to go to stock at first, work your way backwards. If you can get back to the working custom rom, from there you can use on screen functions to repair the phone back to stock.
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Don't understand why you are talking about custom roms, did you read the OP?

I appreciate your responds guys and i believe the only option left is the jtag i guess..