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[Q] Sense 2.2 Rom

with the release of froyostone rom for the hd2 which is sense + 2.2 officially from htc, I believe it would be much easier to port sense to the captivate and completely remove touchwiz.

First your posting in the wrong captivate forum section...second the Android os isn't something that can be magically ported to XX device just because XXX device has it or its working on it, for starters the hd2 is a non native android device, which means its running an android port, with the help of a half working linux kernel, loaded with haret bootloader, android 2.2 is coming in September so just sit tight and be patient, or you can download CM6 vibrant source and port it over to the captivate(you would have to make the captivates kernel compatible with 2.2, meaning backporting/patching etc) which ever you like.
Rafyvitto

Yeah it ought to be about as easy as loading OS X on a Commodore 64.

gunnyman said:
Yeah it ought to be about as easy as loading OS X on a Commodore 64.
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Well, maybe Steve can call Xerox for some help with that...

dressanderc said:
Well, maybe Steve can call Xerox for some help with that...
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I LOL'ed +tenchars

gunnyman said:
Yeah it ought to be about as easy as loading OS X on a Commodore 64.
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dressanderc said:
Well, maybe Steve can call Xerox for some help with that...
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ROFL thats some good stuff guys.

who wants sense anyways, it's just a big shiney TURD!

designgears said:
who wants sense anyways, it's just a big shiney TURD!
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+1
where's some good ol' fashioned AOSP when you need it?
*hint hint* DG *hint*

Personally, I cant wait till all manufacturers realize we don't want to be forced into sense, touch wiz etc.
Make it default if you have to, but provide an option to enjoy raw, unadulterated android!!!

I guess we wait and see what Gingerbread does about that.

To the OP, why don't YOU port Android 2.2 to the Captivate AND also port Sense??
Joking aside I am going to be cooking for the Captivate soon. I'm just waiting for Froyo so I can get my hands dirty with Android .
Maybe even a Sense port??

I've been working on porting sense to our the device for some weeks now but roms fail to boot, changing libs etc, got no clue of what else to try.

Sense is so deeply entangled into Android, kinda like trying to remove Internet Explorer from Windows 95, It is virtually impossible to get it working without all the kernel extensions HTC added to the OS.

gunnyman said:
Sense is so deeply entangled into Android, kinda like trying to remove Internet Explorer from Windows 95, It is virtually impossible to get it working without all the kernel extensions HTC added to the OS.
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Just a historical footnote. Internet explorer was very easy to remove from windows 95. The original release of win95 didn't even include internet explorer. It was only available as part of the plus! Pack of addons. The SR1 release had IE v2 included but it could be easily deleted. It wasn't until IE 4 that active desktop became a part of the package and began making it difficult to seperate from the OS. IE 4 came sr2.5 but was an optional upgrade for most win95 instalations.
But i knew what you meant.
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jaredc74 said:
Just a historical footnote. Internet explorer was very easy to remove from windows 95. The original release of win95 didn't even include internet explorer. It was only available as part of the plus! Pack of addons. The SR1 release had IE v2 included but it could be easily deleted. It wasn't until IE 4 that active desktop became a part of the package and began making it difficult to seperate from the OS. IE 4 came sr2.5 but was an optional upgrade for most win95 instalations.
But i knew what you meant.
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haha, I was literally going to add almost exactly this.
Sense seems only to be portable to devices that can run off of HTC-based ROMs. It seems to be much easier to remove it than to try and bring it over (I haven't heard of it being brought to a device that wasn't HTC based). The widgets haven't even been ported to the best of my knowledge to work on non-Sense launchers. And, as proven by our phones, they could have made Sense even MORE integrated considering removing touchwiz launcher causes massive force closes. Also, Sense is proprietary and cosed source, so we don't have any low-level access to remove the HTC restrictions (short of binary hacking, which I know nothing about and could indeed be wrong about)

Kaik541 said:
haha, I was literally going to add almost exactly this.
Sense seems only to be portable to devices that can run off of HTC-based ROMs. It seems to be much easier to remove it than to try and bring it over (I haven't heard of it being brought to a device that wasn't HTC based). The widgets haven't even been ported to the best of my knowledge to work on non-Sense launchers. And, as proven by our phones, they could have made Sense even MORE integrated considering removing touchwiz launcher causes massive force closes. Also, Sense is proprietary and cosed source, so we don't have any low-level access to remove the HTC restrictions (short of binary hacking, which I know nothing about and could indeed be wrong about)
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Well how the huck did they get Sense on the HD2?? It doesn't even come with android from factory! We need someone to shed a little more light in this. Maybe its because they use some Qualcomm specific images or something.
rafyvitto said:
I've been working on porting sense to our the device for some weeks now but roms fail to boot, changing libs etc, got no clue of what else to try.
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You got a PM

DJGonzo said:
Well how the huck did they get Sense on the HD2?? It doesn't even come with android from factory! We need someone to shed a little more light in this. Maybe its because they use some Qualcomm specific images or something.
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notice how I said I can't see it being ported to a non-HTC device. The HD2 is indeed an HTC device and I believe the ROM that has Sense is one built off of an HTC ROM for another device. Much like how the Legend ROMs were able to be fairly easily/quickly ported to the Aria. In fact, many of the internals of the HD2 resemble a lot of the Android hardware produced by HTC (qualcomm snapdragon and all that good stuff I believe)... the difficulty of getting android on that device had nothing to do with the ROMs, but actually getting haret to boot a linux kernel properly.

Kaik541 said:
notice how I said I can't see it being ported to a non-HTC device. The HD2 is indeed an HTC device and I believe the ROM that has Sense is one built off of an HTC ROM for another device. Much like how the Legend ROMs were able to be fairly easily/quickly ported to the Aria. In fact, many of the internals of the HD2 resemble a lot of the Android hardware produced by HTC (qualcomm snapdragon and all that good stuff I believe)... the difficulty of getting android on that device had nothing to do with the ROMs, but actually getting haret to boot a linux kernel properly.
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Unless they ported the whole ROM and re used drivers, I don't quite understand how they got it to work.
They got Sense 2.5 working from The HD2 onto the Omnia II (winmo), so its quite possible. We just need a team of developers willing to do the work. I can offer hosting and testing and little technical help since I am new at Android but I think we can get it to work if we start to tinker with it.
Maybe a ROM port is in order?
Maybe we should wait for a Froyo kernel though.

DJGonzo said:
Unless they ported the whole ROM and re used drivers, I don't quite understand how they got it to work.
They got Sense 2.5 working from The HD2 onto the Omnia II (winmo), so its quite possible. We just need a team of developers willing to do the work. I can offer hosting and testing and little technical help since I am new at Android but I think we can get it to work if we start to tinker with it.
Maybe a ROM port is in order?
Maybe we should wait for a Froyo kernel though.
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I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it hasn't been done. There are (correct me if I'm wrong) absolutely no non-HTC android devices with the Sense UI. I know nothing about the HD2/Omnia II Sense port, but that's WinMo... not even remotely close to Android in terms of interoperability. I also feel like any ROMs designed to bring Sense UI to non-HTC android devices would be hit with C&D's since it's their proprietary software (hence why both Fancy Widget and Beautiful Widgets got in trouble originally when they launched on the market).
Don't get me wrong, good luck in porting it, hell even I like the look of it and would love the option, but considering how long Sense has been out for android (and numerous devices) and we don't see it on any non-HTC android devices, I have to believe it's been tried and just doesn't work (which is why you also don't see MotoBLUR/NinjaBLUR anywhere else either... or even TouchWiz on the EVO)

Also I think the HD2 and the Desire are the same hardware. If not the Desire it's another phone. That also makes porting Android pretty painless.

[Think Tank] Getting HTC Sense on the Vibrant

Hey, I'm starting a think tank to see if we can get an HTC Sense port started for the Vibrant.
This would be very hard to do, considering the lack of drivers and such, but it might be possible.

considering how long it took and they still never could get it to work on the original droid....highly doubtful
I love it when people create think tanks but contribute nothing....it's just a hey, wouldn't it be cool if we do this? and belongs in General Chat

actually there was a succesful port to the droid but you are right there are multiple threads about sense and the chances of it happening are very slim. devs do what THEY want to do not what other people do.

igm503 said:
actually there was a succesful port to the droid but you are right there are multiple threads about sense and the chances of it happening are very slim. devs do what THEY want to do not what other people do.
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thought it was still really really buggy?

yeah let's think tank about what an atrocity it would be to bring that abomination over...

G1 was probably the most developed phone... and there were about 100 threads shooting down Sense on the G1... it requires so much work... that its pretty pointless.. especially concidering a good amount of the widgets have been recreated... etc etc

What about it requires so much work? As a person with no programming experience what so ever, I have trouble understanding why what seems like mostly a different interface has so much trouble running on hardware that is clearly powerful enough to run it.
Just an honest question.

dezvous said:
What about it requires so much work? As a person with no programming experience what so ever, I have trouble understanding why what seems like mostly a different interface has so much trouble running on hardware that is clearly powerful enough to run it.
Just an honest question.
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you need to port the entire senseui framework over, not just the widgets

For starters most of the phones that Sense has been ported to are HTC phones that come with out it, there are exceptions though, HTC, makes Sense so stands to reason it would be easier to port to an HTC phone, as the tools support them.
Second, unlike porting Opensource items and OS's to other phones, HTC Sense is proprietary and licensed only for HTC phones, so it is not a grey area of porting, it is just illegal to port it.
The Sense UI is more than just a "Home Replacement" like ADW , Launcher Pro and even TouchWiz, it really ties in a lot deeper with the OS.

good going to de-rail the noob...

i use launcher pro plus and a scene dock its not the same but close enough since lp pro widgets are close to sense widgets it works ok

Not to mention having to build a kernel that supports sense
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[Q] Reason why touchwiz roms aren't made?

Don't get mad at me if this is a stupid question but, why is it that there are no touchwiz roms? Is there some sort of protection on them? Are they too complex for the G1? Just wondering.

Its probably a copyright thing. I mean HTC Sense on a HTC made phone makes sense but running a samsung skin is probably going to get xda in trouble.

wilsonlam97 said:
Its probably a copyright thing. I mean HTC Sense on a HTC made phone makes sense but running a samsung skin is probably going to get xda in trouble.
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Example of Sense on Motorola Milestone: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=708345
Here's someone who posted a touchwiz rom for an htc device here on xda with no one claiming it was warez or anything... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6946781#post6946781
I think its a full rom but it might be just a theme.

It is mainly because handset company roms (touchwiz, sense, motoblur ect...) are generally quite a bit heavier to run than vanilla android.
Not to mention that most people with touchwiz are looking at how to get rid of it...

asb123 said:
It is mainly because handset company roms (touchwiz, sense, motoblur ect...) are generally quite a bit heavier to run than vanilla android.
Not to mention that most people with touchwiz are looking at how to get rid of it...
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I guess its because in general the G1 isnt up to date with other phones...and I hate custom UI's but theyre so fun to play around with for a few days..then i want my vanilla back. Hahah

More than likely because people generally don't like TouchWiz. Its pretty well known for being one of the worst skins of Android (personal preference of course).

General consensus is that it's a slow, buggy, and most people just don't like the UI.

The main reason there aren't any Touch Wiz roms is because there's not much demand or interest in them. Just look at the HD2 it can run WM6, WP7, and Android all because of the interest and demand in the community.

I do really like Touchwiz, especially TouchWiz 4. It is clean and nice looking

TouchWiz isn't really a framework or interface like Sense is, it's just a launcher. If you look around you can find it.

Well, TouchWiz is a different type of filesystem (Non-MTD), so that could be it.

rosser725 said:
Well, TouchWiz is a different type of filesystem (Non-MTD), so that could be it.
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Lol, the filesystem in this case is irrelovent (unless you are trying to port a rom with TouchWiz). TouchWiz itself is basically just a theme and a few apps.
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[Q] Samsung Glaxy'S HTC HD room

Hey , i'm wondering if it's posible to port Htc Desire HD room to Samsung Galaxy'S?

There was previously a team known as Team Sense who tried. It's possible, but the major factors are:
1) The project would always be 1 step behind, because HTC doesn't have a public beta/alpha testing program or open source code tree (at least, not that I've seen)
2) A lot of the components aren't open source probably, so it's even more difficult to port than a AOSP ROM (and even those aren't perfected yet).
3) It isn't an easy project. There are lots of considerations required.
4) There is always the risk of the project being shut down if it ever were successful. HTC's components have restricted licenses, so it's risky (and yes, we know this because one member from team sense actually claimed there was nothing wrong with stealing restricted components from HTC, which blew out into an epic flamewar where a mod needed to step in).
So it might be (illegally) possible, but the project would always be a bit behind. It would be better to just help code a really nice launcher instead probably

hi Auzy
regarding the question about sense interface. isnt this working properly on the HD2 forum where it was windows then they enabled the android ROM's with sense on it. it is even on the NAND ROM now.
Why not on galaxy?

nicefellow said:
hi Auzy
regarding the question about sense interface. isnt this working properly on the HD2 forum where it was windows then they enabled the android ROM's with sense on it. it is even on the NAND ROM now.
Why not on galaxy?
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Because of Samsung's Proprietary Bootloader. This is why we are still having trouble with MIUI and CM7.

aha that makes sense
thanks for the info
Best regards

[Q] Sense 2?

I remember the older HTC Sense versions that I see on my friends' Inspires and Incredible 2s. It seems to be a lighter, more barebones build, and I liked the pulldown lockscreen.
How would one go about trying to port the UI? Would it theoretically be possible to apply it to ICS, or would it have to run off of 2.3?
It just might help to remedy the problem of "bloated Sense" that I hear everyone harping about.
The only guide I've found is from mid-2011, when Sense 3 had barely come out.

Aus_Azn said:
I remember the older HTC Sense versions that I see on my friends' Inspires and Incredible 2s. It seems to be a lighter, more barebones build, and I liked the pulldown lockscreen.
How would one go about trying to port the UI? Would it theoretically be possible to apply it to ICS, or would it have to run off of 2.3?
It just might help to remedy the problem of "bloated Sense" that I hear everyone harping about.
The only guide I've found is from mid-2011, when Sense 3 had barely come out.
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It would be hard to find this. Porting it would be tough since Sense, ha ha, is so integrated in to the phone. I think something could be done but you would be hard pressed to find someone to help you out on this due to the time it would take. It would be easier to modify the current sense than to port something else over. That is my 2 cents. Wow, didn't mean to say "sense" so much!

You need to make new ui images and a ton of porting.